transam001

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ok i know you get what you pay for. i have 160 Bosch injectors car idles like **** when cold. tuner is very good spent days on it and told me up front i would have problems. well i see that people love the id injectors, that's the ones he told me to buy. i was just wondering what other injector is out there that would be just as good. it is a street car, go to the track every month. will be in the 1000-1100 rwhp ballpark. i make 820 now on 14.5 boost. got my new 450 pumps so we can turn it up. it is a turbo car. i know there are many guys making that power and more with different injectors ,just looking for some input from some of the vets. thsnks

high impact

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ID claims to have the ability to run ethanol fuels problem free. Other companies claim the same yet some users have had issues out of bosch injectors and some haven't, again, time will tell whether ID is simply selling overpriced snake oil or whether they really have a product that holds up with E type fuels. I am not sold either way, time will tell.

transam001

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thanks for the input. i do run e85. they are about double the price. what are some good other companies out there.

Dynospeed

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Which PCM are you running. Years ago I though it was crazy to spend the $$ on ID's but have since used them to fix issues with idling and very light throttle conditions on 30 cars.

s-350

not sure on the 1300 but i run the ID2000 and hands down the best injector i have even ran! (have them in 3 cars now) i have tried multiple others ( fast, precision, stand bosch) non idle and have low end drive like the ID's i can lean my idle down to as lean as 16:1 (currently sitting around 14.8:1) and <20% throttle is extremely smooth! almost any injector if working properly will work top end but the drivability of the ID injectors are 2nd to NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

s-350

sorry i meant to add this to the 1st port, i ran E98 all last year (2013 season) and went through ruffly 75 gallons with out any issue (at least injector related lol). i did run 110 though the injectors if the car was going to sit for an extended amount of time and at the end of the year

s-350

if you want to save a little money try the FIC injectors...still a good choise and will save you about 300$ over ID and still a decent injector and come flow matched within 1-2%. i have no experience with these and ethanol or methanol fuels but they perform very well with low blend pump fuel and also any race fuels

transam001

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ok, like i said my tuner said if i can afford them ,get them. sounds like i will be getting prob id2000 just in case i ever want more power. also wondering about fic injectors also.

high impact

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The ID2000 and ID1300 are completely different animals. The ID2000 is still a Bosch CNG injector. many guys are running the CNG injectors with out any trouble at all. I think it has more to do with storage procedures, filter type and hose types of material used and fuel quality.

transam001

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all ss. fuel lines 10an feed 6 an return. 2-450 walbro pumps. hot wire also. billet fuel rails,

high impact

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E85 requires an E85 compatible pump, PTFE lines and an Ethanol compatible filter (grey not brown). Unleaded paper filters (brown elements) and the rubber in regular stainless lines will eventually degrade with ethanol based fuels. Ethanol fuels are also hydroscopic and attract moisture, the moisture causes corrosion and contaminates the fuel system. Proper parts and storage procedures are critical. Any injector will eventually corrode and stick under those conditions

transam001

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once your at that price 300 is nothing. i would only prob need the 1300. dont care about dyno numbers ,i care about et. it is a street car so i want to be able to drive it and it run good at idle and starts and dont run like crap.

s-350

110% correct on this! the rubber inner lining will decay and clog filters and injectors and may cause major issues and like i said if the vehicle is going to sit for a period of time, i would run "normal" fuel though the system

high impact

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I don't think the op is paying attention very well. It's not an injector issue, it's a corrosion issue. If you want to run ethanol based fuels you need to run an ethanol compatible fuel SYSTEM. Standard hoses, filters and pump may work for a while but will sooner or later cause issues - no matter whose injectors you buy. Is ID selling overpriced snake oil? I think so but don't know for sure (no one does)...time will eventually tell.

s-350

:d :d :d

transam001

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like i said my pump are made for e85, so are my stainless steel fuel lines. so my fuel system is made for e85. i bought the car from a guy that ran gas in it. the injectors he put in it dont like e85 so thats the prob. thats why i am asking about injectors and different options.

s-350

then you should be golden...i personally will use the ID injectors on all the builds i do (as long as their in budget) i know they work just fine with E98 so i assume E85 would be the same. i would just suggest some sort of alternate fuel cell or drain and run some 110+ though the system when the cars going to be sitting, good luck with the build though! let us know how you like the 1300's

transam001

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i called id today and talk to them, told them my build and what my plans were. they told me to get the 2000, but i would have to flush them with wd40 or start the car in the winter and let it run for a bit so they dont rust or clog up. i thought the 1300 would be big enought for me. im only looking at 1000-1100 rwhp. well just have to see what i can get a deal on. thanks for all the imput helped a lot.

high impact

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The 1300 injectors may be just large enough for your goals if you crank the pump pressure through the roof. I recommend using a large injector like ID recommended and running a lot less pump pressure so they survive.

The 2000 injectors are the same bosch injectors that almost every company carries but ID is correct concerning flushing - they call it pickling the injector when the car sits. Remove them, flush them, lube them and seal them in a ziplock baggie until it's time to use them again. The Walbro 450 pumps are ethanol compatible but I am pretty positive your stainless hoses are not PTFE coated, the coated hoses like I have need a different type of fitting and are much thinner given the -10, -8 and -6 counterparts. You need to get ahold of Fuel Lab and get their recommended filter set up for ethanol even if you decide to try your luck with the regular hoses. The regular stainless hoses and standard fuel filter may last a season but will eventually deteriorate and plug up the injectors regardless of the type.

high impact

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One last thought, ID is coming out with a 1600 or 1700 any day now that is built like their 1300. I am shocked they didn't try to sell you those. Weird.