Negative Trader Feedback - TwnTrboCE and Reckless I don't know? (Resolved)

Originally Reckless posted a 2002 shortblock for sale w/ only 5k miles on the shortblock. So after numerous emails saying that I want the motor he carbon copies the emails to the person that actually had the motor (Mike Brown). Mike and I agreed on $700 for the motor with the oil pan.

The motor was sent and he was very helpful with any issues that came about. Well when i recieved the motor it was basically stored in shop and left still wrapped in the plastic. The motor was purchased in March. I was graduating college in May and was unable to do anything with it until then. So late May I open the packaging and low and behold there is a big crack in the block. I specifically asked is there cracks in the motor and what is the current condition of the motor. They said its perfect etc.

So I email Mike back and tell him the situation and also send him pictures of the motor. I get told "nothing's wrong with the motor and to run it as is it will be ok." So I take the motor to a machine shop to see if i can actually do something with it and they tell me its no good dont even think of running it. I email Mike back and tell him that and that I would like to get my money back and I will send him back the motor. I get no reply from this and here is where I am at today.

Hopefully this can get resolved,

Andre

PS-I have all emails from the first to the last upon purchasing the motor and the current situation if anyone needs.

Try giving the guy a call if you have a number or get in contact with reckless and see if he can help.

Damn Andre, what a bad situation to be in. You really should have looked at the motor or had someone look at the motor the moment that you received it. If the motor has been sitting in a shop for a few months, it will be hard to prove fault... anything could have happened to it in that time. If you would have brought this to their attention a few days after your purchased the motor, then maybe this all could have been taken care of sooner. How was the motor shipped? Could the carrier have dropped it or damaged it? Good luck with getting this squared away...

I know both of the guys named and they are straight shooters.I would do business with either one of them.I wouldn't want to be in this situation after waiting 3 months to check your used engine.I do know this Mike would have NEVER sent you that engine if the block was cracked when he shipped it.Mike is not a internet scammer.

Mikes reply when i originally told him the motor was cracked

“The block I'm running now had a small piece missing off the very
bottom of the back headbolt. It is in the bellhousing area. My machinest found
it and said it was nothing to worry about since it was at the very bottom. I wonder if this is the same thing?....”

My reply was this

“Actually, I see where the bolthole is messed up on the back where you're talking about. But, there is also a Crack on the driver's side front. The crack runs the length of the shaft where the head bolt threads inside the hole.....”

I personally think he did look at the motor because I was not even paying attention to the crack in the bellhousing. He knew exactly where one crack was. The motor has some sort of spray paint on the motor. Looks as if they tried to cover the crack w/ spray paint. I may have taken a couple months with the process but that still does not explain nor excuss the condition that the shortblock is in

Andre

He did not try to cover anything up with spray paint. His car is very clean car and he had painted the whole motor gray it is show car quality and, It was like that since the day he put that motor in over a year ago. Mike is a good guy and would never try to scam someone on anything. If he knew that there was a crack like you said, he would have never shipped the motor out.

Just my .02

Take the shortblock to a sponsor in town and let them look at the block. They'll be able to determine(probably) how it was damaged. Also, some pictures of the cracks may help.

He did not try to cover anything up with spray paint. His car is very clean car and he had painted the whole motor gray it is show car quality and, It was like that since the day he put that motor in over a year ago. Mike is a good guy and would never try to scam someone on anything. If he knew that there was a crack like you said, he would have never shipped the motor out.

Just my .02

Mike would not have sold a defective motor, no way no how. I Have know him and worked with him for several years. Like 98 Custom said, that motor was painted for car show reasons not to hide some apparent damage. I know because he beat me at the T. A Nationals that year with that motor. Before people start slandering people on the internet, please get the facts first. Mike is very busy owns his own business and difficult to get ahold of. I am positive if something is wrong, he will remedy the problem.

I don't think Andre is trying to slander anyone. He is just upset, just as anyone would be. He purchased an expensive item that he can not use. Finding out who is responsible is hard to determine at this point because of the time frame. Coming to a solution that both parties can agree upon is the only fair answer. That is why he is trying to locate the seller. I can understand his frustration. I don't think anyone is trying to screw anyone over... Unfortunately things like this happen sometimes (even if it was an accident or an oversight) and hopefully they can talk it over and come to some sort of agreement.

Moral of the story...look at your shit when you get it. That wasn't a very intellegent move. I wouldn't think it would be fair to get all if any of your money back, cause more than likely it was damaged in shipping, and you can't do anything about this now cause you have something like a week or two to claim shipping damage...

no offense dude, but you made a mistake by not looking at the shit when you got it...can't blame anyone else for it.

Look all I am trying to do is find a solution to the problem. I am an honest person and have no reason to lie about the current situation.

Yes it has been 2 months since he received an email telling him the state of the short block. But, at the same time you all have to realize I was graduating college. By taking 20 hours this last semester and with all the final projects, reports, presentations, testing, running paper work around campus, getting family issues situated with the ones wanting to see my walk across the stage, etc. I was waking up everyday at 5:30am to get to school by 8:00am because I commute, and do not get home until 10-11:00pm everyday. There is a lot that needs to get done the last couple months before you graduate to make sure everything is in order and you do not have any surprise situations.

I did not post this thread to be slanderous to anyone of the two names mentioned all I am simply doing is trying to find a solution to the problem (something we both agree would be good). The reason for the post is because I approached Mike with one solution and there was no response. If there were a response there would have been no reason for this posting.

Andre

Mikes reply when i originally told him the motor was cracked

“The block I'm running now had a small piece missing off the very
bottom of the back headbolt. It is in the bellhousing area. My machinest found
it and said it was nothing to worry about since it was at the very bottom. I wonder if this is the same thing?....”

My reply was this

“Actually, I see where the bolthole is messed up on the back where you're talking about. But, there is also a Crack on the driver's side front. The crack runs the length of the shaft where the head bolt threads inside the hole.....”

I personally think he did look at the motor because I was not even paying attention to the crack in the bellhousing. He knew exactly where one crack was. The motor has some sort of spray paint on the motor. Looks as if they tried to cover the crack w/ spray paint. I may have taken a couple months with the process but that still does not explain nor excuss the condition that the shortblock is in

Andre

First let me say that I have been extremely busy trying to get 3 cars ready for NvsS. I wasn't trying to brush you off. Didn't think you would just forget about it. :eyes:
In the first part of the quote. I'm telling you that the block I'm running now has this hole. Not the one I sold you. I didn't see it when I bought the block and didn't know if the same thing might have happened to the one I sold you.
If I was trying to hide a crack with paint. Wouldn't it make sense for me to fill the crack first? :confused: I already told you it was a show car.
I didn't see any cracks nor did I have one problem with this motor when I sold it to you. For all I know you cracked it and are trying to blame me to get your money back. It goes both ways especialy when its been this long.
Email me what you have in mind for resolving this problem and I will respond tomorrow. I'm going to bed.

Mike