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robertbartsch
06-24-2004, 08:12 AM
I was at the Spring National drag races this past weekend - Englishtown NJ....

The Mac tools guy was actioning a medium sized tool box ...he said the value was about $6K.

I said to him you meen $600, right? He said SIX THOUSAND!

...compared to the quality of the stainless steel unit at Sam's for $650 the MAC box was trash....

These guys are joking; right?


technical
06-24-2004, 11:05 AM
Sam's club doesn't sponsor any racing teams... :devil:

Tim98TA
06-24-2004, 12:15 PM
6K is NOTHING for a tool box like that. BUT, he is quoting you the retail value I'm sure. He prolly could sell it for ~5-5.5K


plumbr
06-24-2004, 12:19 PM
Man I so agree with this, 6000 for a box to store your tools is crazy. Even if it is used all day every day there is no way I could justify that kind of money on a tool box.

I own a stainless box from costco, can't imagine how long it would take to wear it out. But I guess I can't brag to my buddys about how much it cost.

Tom@SpeedInc
06-25-2004, 12:34 AM
I can justify it, click on the link.
http://community.webshots.com/user/fraser350

I paid 4500 for the box 1500 for the hutch. Matco tool boxs are the best.

Nesto
06-25-2004, 02:35 AM
it talks to you when you're lonely right ? and recognizes you and opens itself for you and you only ?? lol

nice new car btw, HD.... might wanna change your SN =)

JackZ28
06-25-2004, 05:46 AM
Anyone who spends that much money on a tool box (or more) should go ahead and send some money my way. They could afford it!

haole_boySS
06-25-2004, 07:21 AM
My best friend is dumb like that. He will owe the Snap-On and Mac Tool guys forever. He traded his Mac box in to the Snap-on guy for a new Snap-On box. Snap-on gave him $5,500 for his Mac box which he promptly used to make the down payment on his new (drumroll) $12,000 Snap-on box. Apparently, its the biggest box that Snap-on makes. :rolleyes:

technical
06-25-2004, 09:07 AM
If you spend $12,000 on a tool box, then you should be stored in that toolbox like the tool that you are...

haole_boySS
06-25-2004, 10:02 AM
Thanks for calling my buddy a tool, since you know him so well. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think it too much to spend too, but I guess since he has close to $80k in tools, its not too much of a stretch to put them in a $12k box. He is an ASE Master mechanic and has been working at a Chevy dealer for the past 10 years.

houseofboost
06-25-2004, 10:17 AM
A few of my mechanics have $12,000 Snap-On boxes, more power to them. I have a $7,500 Snap-On box. The toolboxes in our shop house an easy $200,000 worth of tools, I, like the rest of my employees want a nice place to put in them...a Snap-On box.

technical
06-25-2004, 11:05 AM
Thanks for calling my buddy a tool, since you know him so well. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I think it too much to spend too, but I guess since he has close to $80k in tools, its not too much of a stretch to put them in a $12k box. He is an ASE Master mechanic and has been working at a Chevy dealer for the past 10 years.

I used to be a dealer tech for Chevy as well. But I didn't feel like handing my entire check over to the Snap-on, MAC, and Matco guys every week. I stand by what I said.

Sorry, but I don't need high dollar toolboxes, just quality tools. If I spend that much on a box, then I can't afford the tools to put in it.

LS1Baron
06-25-2004, 04:01 PM
Everyone has their own opinion. Yes, Snap-On, MAC, and Matco charge a premium for their tools. That also extends to toll boxes. But, it comes down to a similar question:

Why did I buy an SS when a Civic is so much cheaper?

Like almost eveything else in the country, these tool boxes can be classified as status symbols. Just like Rolex watches, JNCO jeans, Nike shoes, and Armani suits.

technical
06-25-2004, 04:22 PM
Why did I buy an SS when a Civic is so much cheaper?


That's a great analogy!!!

I bought an SS because of what's under the hood ie what it can do. The tool box holds tools. Yes I bought a MAC box, but I didn't spend $12k for it. I did spend quite a bit for the Snap-On, Mac, etc tools in my box.

Like almost eveything else in the country, these tool boxes can be classified as status symbols. Just like Rolex watches, JNCO jeans, Nike shoes, and Armani suits

Which is why I don't drive a BMW.

taqwache
06-25-2004, 05:10 PM
i paid $4,000 for my Matco box and love it. it all depends on what you do with it. since i am a auto technition in a dealership, my boxed is opened and closed about 100 times a day. and every time, it is a very smooth transaction. yes, i could of bought a cheaper Sams box but those are crap. a professional box (Matco, Mac, Snap-on) will last forever, and since my tools feed my childeren, it is important for the dawers to open smoothly every time. now if you ask me what i have in my garage, i got a $300 craftsman cheapo.

ta12sec
06-25-2004, 08:01 PM
im very happy with my matco box at work,and also happy with my multiple craftsman boxes at home and ive seen snap on boxes for 18k :O

minivette
06-25-2004, 08:37 PM
Damn, I thought I was an ass and was negative towards everything.

robertbartsch, is there anything you like?!?

Ben R
06-25-2004, 11:47 PM
Even $12,000 for the Snap-On Toolbox isn't much. I've seen people spend $20,000 on their Toolbox setup! I'm about to spend $10,000 with my Snap-On guy, but that includes a good amount of tools and the toolbox. :)

LS1Baron
06-26-2004, 03:35 AM
I love the Snap-On box that comes with wheels and a trailer hitch.

Tom@SpeedInc
06-26-2004, 05:24 AM
None of thoes costco or craftsman boxs have depth.

Snap on boxs are good, but Matco 5S boxs are the best.

The reason a few of us spend great deals of money, a guy in my shop has about $50,000 in his tool box.

you guys just don't understand what auto techs are up against, we dont' have all day to get a job done, its fast paced. You have to be prepared for differnt circumstances, if a bolt breaks last thing you want is a shitty set of dull craftsman drill bits you need snap on cobalt drill bits and not just one set either. wire gauge, letter size, fractional size right angle drill bits etc etc. Lets not get started on how many differnt types of wrenchs and sockets technicians have. Point is you need copius amounts of tools to ensure you have a smooth running operation.

LS1x2
06-26-2004, 01:53 PM
For $5k to $10k I think would would just buy a freakin truck and have them mobile..:)

taqwache
06-26-2004, 03:20 PM
None of thoes costco or craftsman boxs have depth.

Snap on boxs are good, but Matco 5S boxs are the best.

The reason a few of us spend great deals of money, a guy in my shop has about $50,000 in his tool box.

you guys just don't understand what auto techs are up against, we dont' have all day to get a job done, its fast paced. You have to be prepared for differnt circumstances, if a bolt breaks last thing you want is a shitty set of dull craftsman drill bits you need snap on cobalt drill bits and not just one set either. wire gauge, letter size, fractional size right angle drill bits etc etc. Lets not get started on how many differnt types of wrenchs and sockets technicians have. Point is you need copius amounts of tools to ensure you have a smooth running operation.
speeking of drill bits, i just bought a complete set of turbo max bits from matco the other day, i paid like $185 for them. just last week i needed them to drill about 5 holes though 1/4" steel in 1/2" diamater. every time i drilled a hole it was like cutting through butter. took me like 5 minutes. sure i could of bought some $30 craftsman bits and got the job done, but i already tried that in the past. takes way to long with those and usually after 3 holes or so, the bit is crap. then you have to argue with the sears guy to give you a new one. if any of these bits wears out, there is no questons asked. the matco guy just give me a new one right away.

mrr23
06-26-2004, 05:07 PM
you have to be a mechanic to understand. i bought my MATCO boxes used for $4500. upper and lower. about 5.5 feet tall, 5.5 feet wide, and 2.4 feet deep.

for awhile snap-on was selling a toolbox that had an alarm on it. you even had a key fob to arm/disarm the thing.

technical
06-26-2004, 11:19 PM
you guys just don't understand what auto techs are up against, we dont' have all day to get a job done, its fast paced. You have to be prepared for differnt circumstances, if a bolt breaks last thing you want is a shitty set of dull craftsman drill bits you need snap on cobalt drill bits and not just one set either. wire gauge, letter size, fractional size right angle drill bits etc etc. Lets not get started on how many differnt types of wrenchs and sockets technicians have. Point is you need copius amounts of tools to ensure you have a smooth running operation.

you have to be a mechanic to understand. i bought my MATCO boxes used for $4500. upper and lower. about 5.5 feet tall, 5.5 feet wide, and 2.4 feet deep.

I used to be a mechanic (flat rate dealer tech). I don't understand $12k for a tool box.
I can understand $12k+ for tools, but not for the box.

LS1Baron
06-27-2004, 01:29 PM
I apologize for the misinterpretation. While not being in the business (I'm only a shade tree mechanic), I made an assumption. I did not mean to offend those who do it for a living.

robertbartsch
06-28-2004, 06:31 AM
But the Sam's box has silky smooth roller drawers and it was made of stainless steel....it only cost $650 compared to the $6,000 Mac box. The Mac box held less tools too....

I used to be a mechanic - now I am a CPA so the tools I have are now only for hobby use; never-the-less I have at least $5K or $6K invested. My three Husky boxes and one Sears box provide me with enough storage for now.

Even if you are a pro with $50K in tools I can't see how anyone could justify a $6K box when a $650 box is better....

robertbartsch
06-28-2004, 10:39 AM
My SS is worth less than a similar year Civic; that is because it is a chevy and depreciates very quickly....

I dont get the point....???

The Sam's box is SUPERIOR to the Mac box and costs 1/10th the price!

technical
06-28-2004, 11:04 AM
Your Chevy is also worth less than their $10k-12k toolboxes. :judge:

ta12sec
06-28-2004, 04:14 PM
sam club box is great for at home, but in the shop using it every day it will disinagrate. IF I run out of work I can yank out a drawer and sit on it and not owry about the drawer bending or the box colapseing. I can break into a craftsman box (or compariable husky, sams club ect) box lock in under a minute. You are in for a tough road of hoe if you try breaking into a mac snap on or matco box (similary im fuxked if I ever lost both keys), A guy I used to work with bought a brand new matco 8525, on the weekend the clean crew pushed it away from the wall to wash the walls, and pushed it under a car on the hoist. THe car fell off the hoist and landed on the tool box. The tool box needed a new cover and there was a small ding in the front lip. The car wasnt so lucky (2500 in damgae to a 50$ car). Try droping a car on a craftman box and see which wins. I have a garage full of craftsman boxes, 4 of them and I like them a lot. One served full time duty for about 2 years, before I bought a craftsman professinal (which fell apart in about 2 weeks and sears took it back :bow: sears) then I got my matco box and Ill never look back I feel much better knowing that my tools will be there when I go to work the next morning, and You better get some friends if you plan on walking off with the box as it weights 700 lbs dry, not to mention the 2500+lbs of tools in it .

LS1x2
06-28-2004, 04:23 PM
You guys are right. There is no way those of us that are not professional mechanics will understand b/c i still think it's crazy. I think I would build one out of 1/4" thick steel for security at under $1k if i needed that:)

Dope
06-28-2004, 05:40 PM
Jesus christ.

12k for a toolbox with no tools in it? It better know what tools I need and hand them to me as I go!

Dope

technical
06-28-2004, 09:16 PM
MAC box $12k
20 Sams club boxes $12k

You could buy a new sam's club box every year for the next 20 years.
Or you could buy one Sam's club box and another used F-Body.

So how much would a MAC MB1800 go for these days?
I paid < $3k for mine.

ta12sec
06-28-2004, 09:58 PM
Jesus christ.

12k for a toolbox with no tools in it? It better know what tools I need and hand them to me as I go!

Dope


shit thats availabe for a 6 pack, get a gopher just call the kid down the street tell hm you will give him a 6 pack to stand next to the tool box and hand what you ask for. (gopher= go for a 9/16 :D )

Nesto
06-29-2004, 04:40 AM
so these boxes are for security ?? what makes them so secure ? or are they just so damn heavy no one could take it with them ? lol

ta12sec
06-29-2004, 06:07 AM
so these boxes are for security ?? what makes them so secure ? or are they just so damn heavy no one could take it with them ? lol

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taqwache
06-29-2004, 11:05 AM
so these boxes are for security ?? what makes them so secure ? or are they just so damn heavy no one could take it with them ? lol
yup heavy is a very important thing. considering that there is not lead plates in the bottom of it, you know all the weight is in the box it self. this insures you that this is a really heavy duty tool box. my light a$$ craftsman, the one in my garage that i only use every other weekend is already having problems opening and closeing. then when the doors are open, they sag and the paint looks like crap already. but hey you could pick it up if you whated to. my 4 year Matco box that is opened 100s of times a day still works fine and looks like new. but if you wanted to take it to another shop, you will need a car hualer and lots of freinds. last time i just called a tow truck to do it for me. considering that it sits in the same spot for years with out moveing an inch, weight is not a problem. and if someone wanted to steel it, they better be He Man.

ta12sec
06-29-2004, 04:50 PM
"but if you wanted to take it to another shop, you will need a car hualer and lots of freinds"

I just have a ramp made of 3 10ft 4x4s and some 3/4 inch ply wood with angle iron on the side for railing. I put it on the bumper of the van and 3 guys can push it up. coming down is alot more intresting. :D

taqwache
06-29-2004, 05:51 PM
"but if you wanted to take it to another shop, you will need a car hualer and lots of freinds"

I just have a ramp made of 3 10ft 4x4s and some 3/4 inch ply wood with angle iron on the side for railing. I put it on the bumper of the van and 3 guys can push it up. coming down is alot more intresting. :D
:lol: getting it to stop is also intresting. luckly it doesnt move very offen.

Brads454
06-30-2004, 01:04 AM
One tech I know has 2 toolboxes at work. One's a Mac and one's a Snap-On, he has over 200k in tools and boxes. His big box the Mac he was switching shops and they flat bed truck was loading it and the winch on the tow truck it was so heavy.

Brandon Boomhauer
06-30-2004, 10:42 PM
I can justify it, click on the link.
http://community.webshots.com/user/fraser350

I paid 4500 for the box 1500 for the hutch. Matco tool boxs are the best.A friend of mine that works at a dealership that I used to work at has a box like that or damn near it.

I myself own a craftsman ball bearing box, and although I wish I had a snapon,mac, etc I can't justify it for just weekend stuff, etc.

But when I worked at the dealership I easily understood why a quality box was important. 3 mechanics had rather cheap boxes (sliding drawers, no bearings, flimsy etc...) and 3 had niice matco or mac boxes. One drawer could be full of heavy ass tools and it would slide easier than one of the cheapo boxes with minimal weight.

WEASEL
07-01-2004, 12:34 PM
so these boxes are for security ?? what makes them so secure ? or are they just so damn heavy no one could take it with them ? lol

NOTHING! If Matco's drill bits are so good that they cut through steel like butter, then all someone has to do is steal someone else's drill bit and watch it melt through your lock.

None of these expensive tool boxes are worth even half the price that they ask for them. It's just that there is no nice "in-between". Either you get something from a retailer that you find on sale that you can live with or think it's "good enough".....OR....you suck it up and sign over a huge chunk of your salary to the guy in the tool truck. Then you try to justify it to everyone that says, "WTF?" :eek2: :jest:

Are they better than retail stuff? Of course! Are they worth 5-10 times as much? HEEEYYYYAAALL NAW!!!! :jest:

robertbartsch
07-01-2004, 02:49 PM
I beleive the Sam;s club box is BETTER than Matco, Mac, Span-N-Half, etc...

It only cost $650.

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About the comment on being really hard to break into these ultra expensive boxes - I say if someone whanted to steal your tools they would take the whole box.... especially if they knew it cost (but is not worth) six large ones.......$$$$

Pete2k_Z28
07-03-2004, 06:57 PM
But the Sam's box has silky smooth roller drawers and it was made of stainless steel....it only cost $650 compared to the $6,000 Mac box. The Mac box held less tools too....

I used to be a mechanic - now I am a CPA so the tools I have are now only for hobby use; never-the-less I have at least $5K or $6K invested. My three Husky boxes and one Sears box provide me with enough storage for now.

Even if you are a pro with $50K in tools I can't see how anyone could justify a $6K box when a $650 box is better....
There is no way in HELL you can even compare the quality of the Costco box (yes, I've seen it and it is nice for the money) to a good Mac, Snap On, or especially the new Matco boxes.

The big name boxes have deeper drawers, better roller slides, heavier construction, better and more welds, better casters, better hinges, the list is endless.

Sure the Costco box is nice for the bucks, and with the average hobbiest load of tools and use it will last a long time. I'd buy one in a second for home use. But put 150lbs+ of tools in the drawer, and open it 20-100 times a day, for 10+ years, and see where you end up?

I'm not saying the Mac, Matco, and Snap On boxes aren't marked up like crazy, I know they are, but the quality is MUCH better than any Craftsman, Costco, Huskey, or even Waterloo box you will find.

Then again, I got my Mac box used, with a side cabinet, and in very nice shape, for $2,300, so I guess I didn't get raked over the coals that bad for it. I feel I got my money's worth and then some.

hink9
07-04-2004, 12:43 PM
I beleive the Sam;s club box is BETTER than Matco, Mac, Span-N-Half, etc...

It only cost $650.

******************
About the comment on being really hard to break into these ultra expensive boxes - I say if someone whanted to steal your tools they would take the whole box.... especially if they knew it cost (but is not worth) six large ones.......$$$$
:stupid: first off, if you havent been a technician at a dealer or independent then you wouldnt understand, you also get what you pay for. i bought my snap on box ror 8k. its all i will ever need, for the rest of my career.
2nd if someone wanted to steal it they would just take the whole box. thats just stupid, you know how hard those damn things are to move, you would have to break into the shop to even get to it. thats pretty unlikely. bottom line there is now way in hell sam's boxes are better than snap-on.

ta12sec
07-04-2004, 01:27 PM
:stupid: first off, if you havent been a technician at a dealer or independent then you wouldnt understand, you also get what you pay for. i bought my snap on box ror 8k. its all i will ever need, for the rest of my career.
2nd if someone wanted to steal it they would just take the whole box. thats just stupid, you know how hard those damn things are to move, you would have to break into the shop to even get to it. thats pretty unlikely. bottom line there is now way in hell sam's boxes are better than snap-on.


If some one would liek to take a pic of them standing on an open drawer of sams club box I will happily post video of me jumping on an open drawer of my matco box. OR maybe some video of a few guys lifting my fully loaded craftsman box into the back of a truck. Then the same guys attempting to lift one end of the matco box. Now dont get me wrong I think its crazy to spend 10+k on a tool box. Hence why I bought mine used for about half what retail is.

Pete2k_Z28
07-04-2004, 02:02 PM
If some one would liek to take a pic of them standing on an open drawer of sams club box I will happily post video of me jumping on an open drawer of my matco box. OR maybe some video of a few guys lifting my fully loaded craftsman box into the back of a truck. Then the same guys attempting to lift one end of the matco box. Now dont get me wrong I think its crazy to spend 10+k on a tool box. Hence why I bought mine used for about half what retail is.
Good call. The newer Matco boxes are probably the best in the business right now.

A guy I used to work with had a new Matco double bay. We used to each pull out a drawer, toss a 2x10 accross it, sit down and eat lunch every day. Mind you, these were drawers that already had 100+lbs of tools in them. They never flexed a bit. I thing that would be enough to waffle a Craftsman drawer.

And you're right about the weight. My Mac bottom box, even being a single bay box, is a challenge for two people to lift even with the drawers out. The side cabinet alone probably weighs 150-200lbs.

I've gotten pissed and thrown my 1/2" impact wrench at my box from accross the shop and barely scratched it.

Another good point to remember is resale. You probably won't loose much if any money on a good box. I know someone who traded in his 17 year old Snap On box (biggest double bay with top and bottom, and side cabinet, probably $11,000 new currently, they still make the same box) on a brand new custom Matco 4 bay bottom box (also around $11,000 new) and only owed the Matco guy $2,000 on trade. So after having the box for most of his career, he only lost $2,000 on the deal. In reality, he only paid around $5,000 for his previous setup, so it's value went UP over time.

So after nearly 20 years of daily use, the box still looked almost new, worked flawlessly, and went up in value.

slowec
07-04-2004, 02:48 PM
I have a new matco tool box.any item on this earth is worth exactly what someone will pay for it. supply = demand . if you ever collect $50,000 worth of tools, maybe you to will want a real box.yes i once owned a crapsman.

Tom@SpeedInc
07-04-2004, 05:49 PM
Somebody asked about how to move a tool box, most tool guys are nice enough to transport your tool box to another shop provided you are on their good list even if you arn't going to be their customer anymore.

Snap on and Matco tool trucks have a hydro rear lift gate you can strap a box too.

robertbartsch
07-20-2004, 12:04 PM
I'm planning to retire in Georgia, I currently live in NY; Will the Mac toolman transport my tool box to my new home?

If yes, I suppose the the box is worth about $1,000 not $6,000.

Considering the asking price of $6,000 for the MAc box, I'll buy a $650 Sam's box and keep the $5,350 difference and pay someone else to move the box to teh peach state...

As far as being sturdy, I like to drive nice cars too but I don't drive an M1 tank to get groceries since I won't need the armored plate even if someone dings me in the parking lot...

Tom@SpeedInc
07-24-2004, 03:57 AM
You get what you pay for, I used to have a waterloo and it was worth about how much I paid for it, $300. Was pretty useless couldn't fit anything in the drawers, drawers, drawers needed a slide hammer to open sometimes, was only 12" deep.

My Matco box worth every last penny I paid for it, If you were in the business rob you would understand. Just bought a Matco Wide locker for it too, they had 'em on sale for last week only. $1750 bucks.

prelude00782
07-24-2004, 08:53 PM
snap-on, mac, matco, etc - if you don't understand the need for it you wouldn't need them anyway. if you're working as a mechanic as your career, then the investment isn't so odd. i have a craftsman box and whereas i can appreciate the power of a box so strong that you can sit on an open drawer and eat lunch on it, i don't think it's necessary unless it's your career. Performance tools and tool-boxes make a difference, and if you're a mechanic by trade and career, you know what i mean. Otherwise, a $600 costco box will do just fine (not being sarcastic, i know the one you mean )

BADz2ATE
07-25-2004, 09:02 PM
I started out with a craftsmand three tier (base-mid-and top) boxes. I now have a Triple Bank KRL snap on box with the top and a locker on each side, along with the roll car. I have spend well over 12k for my boxes. I am a diesel suspension mechanic and i have multiple 3/4 and 1" guns, and if anyone knows those are not cheap. so i lock them up with the state of the art top of the line boxes. I wouldnt trade them for anything. and what some people dont know is that you dont pay all that much a month for those boxes, you just pay on them for a good amount of time. I have seen the Homec and costco and husky boxes and the retail store boxes. but when i go to my snappy box and i pull out the top drawer and i have ALL ALL of my air tools in it, and it has double slides and rolls like butter, i am pleased. just have to be a mechanic to understand.

Mike

technical
07-25-2004, 09:52 PM
I think we can we all agree that the "tool truck" boxes are indeed much better quality than the retail boxes, but they are way overpriced.

sssuch
07-26-2004, 10:04 PM
I have one of those $6000 overpriced Mac tool boxes I love it and think its worth every penny ! So are the Snap-on , Matco. and other quality boxes. For those of us that earn there living with our tools no explination is necessary and for the Robert Bartsch's of the world no explination is possible. By the way Robert I have seen a few of your posts and you seem to be a regular Cliff Clavin from Cheers you know the kind of ass hole who argues just to feel important. The same kind of person who gets someone like me in trouble because my B.S. tolerance level is about 2 minutes then a few hits and arguement over.

jmd
07-27-2004, 01:34 AM
I'm planning to retire in Georgia, I currently live in NY; Will the Mac toolman transport my tool box to my new home?

If yes, I suppose the the box is worth about $1,000 not $6,000.

Considering the asking price of $6,000 for the MAc box, I'll buy a $650 Sam's box and keep the $5,350 difference and pay someone else to move the box to teh peach state...

As far as being sturdy, I like to drive nice cars too but I don't drive an M1 tank to get groceries since I won't need the armored plate even if someone dings me in the parking lot...

No one needs your opinion on the state of the economy and the worth of the transportation of goods circa 1973.

Sell the Sams box for whatever you can get and buy a new one when you get there. Less headache.

We've already been round and round this topic; those who are light duty users don't need the Mac box. Those who need it, know it. Enough already. Enjoy your retirement. Here's to you having no phone, and no broadband. :cheers:

J-Rod
07-27-2004, 07:52 AM
If you are a hobbyist, then perhaps all you need is a Craftsman, Husky, or Sam's box. But they are not nor will ever be in the same class as Snap-On, Matco, etc...

If you are a real mechanic, and that is how you make your livelyhood then you might want something that the drawers won't collapse on, and that can take a bit more abuse than your basic hobbist box.

As for me, I own a Bluepoint box. Bluepoint is a division of Snap-On. My box was $1200 retail. They gave me $100 off for trading in my old Craftsman box. An equivilant Snap-On box was $7500. I can swap the label and the drawer trim, and it is a Snap-On box. It was built in the same factory, etc...

For the best deal in tool boxes, I would recommend going to Lowe's. Get the big 42" top and bottom box. Lowe's tool are made by J.H. Williams. J.H. Williams is the industrial line of Snap-On. So, your Lowe's tools, and boxes are made by Snap-On in many cases. The Big 42" box is made in the same Snap-On factory that the other Snap-On boxes are made in. It's blue, but for $1100 for the top and bottom box, it beats the $8000 or more for the same box from Snap-On.

The S/S boxes are pretty, but I don't think they would stand up to the day to day world of being a real mechanic. As for the hobbyist, they might be just fine for the infrequent user...

So, to say that someone who makes thie livelyhood using a particular piece of equipment is stupid for getting the best and most reliable part is stupid, well, I would have to disagree.

Its like wrenches. I use a lot of Craftsman stuff. Its not the best, but it gets the job done in most cases. The issues I have with it is that often times the tolerances are not close which leads to issues with bolt heads rounding, and wrenches slipping (which can hurt). Anyhow, you use Snap-On, and this isn't an issue. Yes, Craftsman is cheaper, and its easier to get, and it has a warranty. But you get what you pay for.

So, for the guy who play with his car every once in awhile, its perfectly ok. For the guy who makes his living working on cars, it probably isn't...

maddboost
07-27-2004, 11:02 AM
I usually use Craftsman tools because its hard to track down the local Snap-On guy to swap out my broken tools. But I have a few Snap-On tools cause their craftsman counterparts just suck ass.

technical
07-27-2004, 01:25 PM
So, to say that someone who makes thie livelyhood using a particular piece of equipment is stupid for getting the best and most reliable part is stupid, well, I would have to disagree.


What about the tech/hobbyist who spent $7k on the Snap-on box when they could have bought the equivalent Bluepoint box like you did for $1200 less trade-in? What do we call that...value impaired? No, they wanted the Snap-on box because it said Snap-on and not Bluepoint. It's the same reason a person would buy an Escolade instead of a Tahoe. Personal preference, not quality. $1200 is a great price for a professional grade Bluepoint/Snap-on toolbox. $7500 is a dry anal rape with lemon juice.

Oh, and for everyone who keeps saying that "you have to be a mechanic/technician to understand"... I was and I understand. I understand that I made <$30k/year, so to spend 1/5 of my yearly salary or more on a box is not sound financial planning. Even on credit.

maddboost
07-27-2004, 01:33 PM
If you make under $30,000 a year being a mechanic you must not be a very good one.

technical
07-27-2004, 02:01 PM
If you make under $30,000 a year being a mechanic you must not be a very good one.

Flat rate killed me, and this was a while ago...I don't do it anymore. Fact is the top guy made $35k.

maddboost
07-27-2004, 02:03 PM
Flat rate killed me, and this was a while ago...I don't do it anymore. Fact is the top guy made $35k.
Most the good mechanics I know around here make $50K plus a year.

technical
07-27-2004, 02:06 PM
That's why I don't turn wrenches anymore... ;)

J-Rod
07-27-2004, 02:09 PM
What about the tech/hobbyist who spent $7k on the Snap-on box when they could have bought the equivalent Bluepoint box like you did for $1200 less trade-in? What do we call that...value impaired? No, they wanted the Snap-on box because it said Snap-on and not Bluepoint. It's the same reason a person would buy an Escolade instead of a Tahoe. Personal preference, not quality. $1200 is a great price for a professional grade Bluepoint/Snap-on toolbox. $7500 is a dry anal rape with lemon juice.

Oh, and for everyone who keeps saying that "you have to be a mechanic/technician to understand"... I was and I understand. I understand that I made <$30k/year, so to spend 1/5 of my yearly salary or more on a box is not sound financial planning. Even on credit.


The box that was sitting next to mine on the truck was some limited edition box. It was identical except for color and for the "limited edition badge" on the box. I'm sure if money is an issue you can find a box that will suit your needs. I found what I was looking for at the price I wanted. I just miseed getting a second identical box for $400 used at the pawn shop recently. As for somone paying the $7500. Many folks don't always know that Snap on has other divisions and that he tools are identical except for the name stamped on them... If they did, they might buy them..

As for sound financial planning. That why I shop for a lot of tools at pawn shops and flea markets. I know lots of mechanics who will be in hock up to their eyeballs on tools and boxes and unload it for pennies on the dollar.

My point is that if you own and use a professional quality box you can tell the difference. There is a difference. It may not be a big deal for the average user, but load a drawer up with tools and the drawer falls out of it track, or won't open, thats a problem. It may not be a big issue if the box is flimsy and dents easily till something hits you box and you can't open it.

Like I said, flimsy boxes may be ok for some folks depending on use and need. But for other folks it isn't...

technical
07-27-2004, 02:24 PM
You sound like me...I always shopped around.

$2200 on a brand new Mac MB1800, listed for ~$3500 but apparently no one liked green...great steal. I still have it even though it clashes with my blue car. :jest:

J-Rod
07-27-2004, 02:32 PM
Thats why the powder coat shop can be your best friend. You can take a box and fix that ugly color for about $100.

technical
07-27-2004, 02:48 PM
Not a bad idea at all. Thanks.

HellOnWeelz
07-27-2004, 04:16 PM
Nobody can argue that the premium boxes are overpriced, but they are head and shoulders above the others in quality. I bought the Maximizer bottom box over 10 years ago when I pulled wrenches for CAT for about $4500. It still looks and works like new. I spent about $700-$800 more for it than a Matco box that was comparable. But like I told the Matco dealer, I just like the Mac box better.
Its in my garage now and it looks a little out of place, and it is a bitch to move. I have thought about selling it and a lot of my tools then refitting with a Craftsman professional setup then pocket the rest of the money, but I can't bring myself to do it. It is just so much nicer to have the quality.

It's tough to justify to a lot of people, even other professional mechanics, but that is kind've why we each have our own jobs..so we can spend OUR money on what we feel is valuable. But I'll side with the guys that think it's worth it.:cheers:

Tom@SpeedInc
07-29-2004, 03:14 AM
[QUOTE=J-Rod]As for me, I own a Bluepoint box. Bluepoint is a division of Snap-On. My box was $1200 retail. They gave me $100 off for trading in my old Craftsman box. An equivilant Snap-On box was $7500. I can swap the label and the drawer trim, and it is a Snap-On box. It was built in the same factory, etc...

For the best deal in tool boxes, I would recommend going to Lowe's. Get the big 42" top and bottom box. Lowe's tool are made by J.H. Williams. J.H. Williams is the industrial line of Snap-On. So, your Lowe's tools, and boxes are made by Snap-On in many cases. The Big 42" box is made in the same Snap-On factory that the other Snap-On boxes are made in. It's blue, but for $1100 for the top and bottom box, it beats the $8000 or more for the same box from Snap-On.
[QUOTE]

Guy I work with has a KRL 1003 the top of the line 3 bank box snap on sells and it was less then $8000. Blue point makes nothing in comparison to KRA or KRL snap on boxs buddy. I'm not a fan of Snappy boxs (I'm a Matco box snap on tools kinda guy).

KRL 1003 is 76" long bud, and about as deep as your box is wide. You would have to swap all the drawers in your blue point to even get it close to a snap on KRA box.

Far as the guy who said a mechanic making 30k a year, I was making that as an apprentice at one point :huh: and thats damn near the poverty line. Even if you booked garentee everyday for 365days you would make over 40 grand but they would fire your ass. Average Technician pay is 50-75k before uncle sam gets paid.

Tom@SpeedInc
07-29-2004, 03:28 AM
Flat rate killed me, and this was a while ago...I don't do it anymore. Fact is the top guy made $35k.

Maybe back in 1960 you were paid that, if flat rate killed you, your not good. If you know your shit you can be fast and meticulas.

Our top guy makes 110k a year, hes used car tech and does inspections/repairs on 5-6 cars a day and books 20+ hours a day.

J-Rod
07-29-2004, 08:42 AM
Regarding boxes:


http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/toolboxes.html


Tool Boxes

ęBy: Keith Bucher

Originally written: 29 Mar 2001
Last update: June 30, 2001 - formated for SOL's Morgan web page

I received the following email in response to the article Who makes what tools?



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Hello John,

I was searching on the internet yesterday and I was delighted to come across your article: Who Makes What Tools. This is the type of information I have been looking for and trying to discover for myself for several years now. I'd like to expand on what you said a bit, and ask you some questions.

First of all, in my search for an approximately 26 to 30 inch wide roller cabinet and top chest a year ago I spent several hours trying to determine just who made whose tool boxes, and exactly how many tool box manufacturers there are in the United States anyway?

Here are some of the things I discovered. Snap-On seems to make their own tool boxes in their plant in Algona, Iowa. Mac claimed that they have a plant in Ohio who makes theirs.

The Husky tool boxes sold at Home Depot are made by Stanley in Canada. I even called them, but didn't really get much information.

Now here's where things really get interesting. When looking at tool boxes at Lowes, I found that they definitely had two very different grades of tool boxes. At the bottom of the scale were their professional tool towers, which are made by Waterloo. But higher on the ladder were their 28 inch wide roller cabinet, which is the one I purchased, the 28"inch wide Roller Cabinet Model 7704 at $448.00

Its companion is: 28" Top Chest Model 7609 $348.00

I thought, "Damn, these tool box drawers pull out as smooth as a Snap-On, and the paint is every bit as smooth. And besides, the description mentions durable powder coated paint and rolled drawer edges. And sure enough, just as with the Kobalt tools, this set of tool boxes are indeed made by Snap-On, as is a wider 40 inch model. I talked to an Ingineer at the Snap-On tool box manufacturing facility in Algona, Iowa who verified this.

Of course these Kobalt tool boxes aren't as heavily made as the actual Snap-On brand, but they're not nearly as expensive either. I found them to be vastly superior to competitors in their price range such as Craftsman and Husky from Home Depot.

I have owned a Kennedy top chest and it was also of fine quality. I'd like to know of other tool box manufacturers in the United States. But as with tools, it's probably a safe bet that there probably aren't all that many.

Recently I have been attempting to assemble data on torque wrenches, and as with tools and tool boxes, I have found it sometimes difficult to determine who makes whose.

I'd be interested in any information you have concerning torque wrenches.

And last of all, I'd like to ask you what e-mail lists and newsgroups discuss tool topics such as these. And once again I want to thank you for your article. It was most intriguing, interesting, and helpful to me.


(ED: Yes Keith there is, it is called "Shop Talk". You can subscribe to it by sending email to:

majordomo@autox.tean.net

The body should contain:

subscribe shop-talk
end

You will receive a confirmation email. Simply follow the directions contained in it.)
Sincerely,

Keith Bucher



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J-Rod
07-29-2004, 08:42 AM
http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html

Who Makes What Tools

Last update: Feb. 10, 2003



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The following excerpts were posted on one of the mailing list I subscribe to. I though the information was worth sharing.

I've tried to contact the original authors to get their permission, but did not get any replies to my emails. Since this information is available via one of several archives, I feel that I can present it here. However, the authors names have been removed from the discussions. (If they would like credit - please contact me.)

(ED. I was informed on July 5, 2000 that Stanley has a complaint filed against them via the Federal Trade Commission as of June 2, 1999.)



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Someone wrote [in part]:

... but I never could figure out who makes the [Craftsman] hand tools.
To which someone else replied:

I'm not the final word on tools by any means, but since I work in the business, I've learned a little bit about it. Okay, here's more than you ever wanted to know.

Lowes now (as of earlier this year) is selling a line of Mechanics Tools called Kobalt which is made by Snap-On. They are good tools.

(ED: I've received 3 follow up emails; updating the information about who is making Kobalt tools:
The first is from Bob Payne of Cornwell Tool Distributor - He indicates that Kobalt is not made by Snap-On.
The second is from Heidi Schuck of Husky Tools with more information on Kobalt tools not being made by Snap-On.)
The third from Dave Johnson about the new vendor for the Kobalt line of tools.)

Home Depot's Husky brand is made by Stanley Mechanics Tools, a division of the Stanley Works. Husky are also good tools and have a good lifetime warranty (they'll even replace your broken Craftsman with an equivalent Husky).

Until 1994 or so, Stanley also made Sears Craftsman tools. Sears Craftsman is now made by Danaher Tools. They beat out Stanley on the contract over price. Danaher also manufactures MatCo Tools, the third largest player in the Mobile Automotive industry (behind MAC and Snap-On). Odds are, if you own any Craftsman tools that are older than about five years ago, they were made by Stanley in plants in Dallas, Texas, Witchita Falls, Texas, and Sabina, Ohio.

Stanley also owns MAC Tools and manufactures MAC tools in the same plants. Now here's the kicker: MAC Tools, Proto Tools (a very expensive industrial brand), Husky Tools, and, (prior to five or so years ago) Craftsman Tools are all made from the same forgings in the same plants. Proto is unique because it goes through addtional testing and certification because it is used by NASA, the military, and industrial customers (including General Motors).

There are three MAJOR players in the USA mechanics tool business: Stanley, Danaher, and Snap-On. Stanley and Danaher (almost identical in sales revenue at about $28 billion each) are the biggest followed by Snap-On. Each of these three manufacture and sell tools under a variety of brands (there are many other brands that Stanley makes that I haven't even named). The quality between these three manufacturers is roughly the same. I know its a bit of a let-down to hear that, but its a simple fact.

There are a hand full of other minor players (Vermont American, etc) and an endless list of Taiwanese import tool companies (some of which Stanley own as well as Danaher to serve the lower end consumer import brands at WalMart, etc). How do I know all of this? I work for Stanley Mechanics Tools, specifically with the Proto Industrial brand. I personally do not think that MAC, MatCo, or Snap-On branded tools are worth the extra markup since they use the same forgings and manufacturing processes that make Husky and Kobalt and pre-1994 Craftsman. Where you need to pay attention are things like ratchets and torque wrenches. There are different specifications of ratchets and you do pay for the difference. Some mechanics require a finer, more precise ratcheting mechanism than guys like me who just bang around in the garage on the weekends.

By the way, Metwrench is basically considered a "gimick" infomercial tool brand that is not considered as a serious competitor to Danaher, Snap-On, or Stanley. Then again, IBM once didn't see Microsoft as a serious force in the personal computer business. Hmmmm....

(Two more brands that I don't know much about is Black & Decker and DeWalt. About Sept. 2002 I received an email stating that B&D owns DeWalt. Though I haven't confirmed this yet.)

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Then there was this discourse on FACOM brand tools:

> FACOM has been around forever. French company, says "American" in the name
> though I forget the whole acronym.

FACOM is Franco-Americaine de Construction d'Outillage Mecanique. French for "French-American Mechanical Tool Manufacturing". Got points in my french class for that.

> It's now one of the largest tool conglomerates in Europe.
>
> SK, I think, is an American company that recently has had a large part of
> its stock purchased by FACOM.

FACOM owns S-K outright. You'll notice (if you look through the catalogs from preceeding years) that the tools are becoming more and more alike. The S-K "pro" screwdrivers are now FACOM ergotwist screwdrivers. The "tuff1" ratchets are S-K pro ratchet handles avec FACOM innards. FACOM's ratcheting flare wrench now has S-K stamped on the side of it. I don't like it because we could get FACOM tools from S-K dealers for over 10 years, but now they're getting more and more reluctant to give us FACOM stuff, they'd rather sell S-K stuff. Which is why you get S-K catalogs instead of FACOM. If you specifically request (demand) a FACOM catalog, you get their _american_ catalog, which is abbreviated, along with a note to contact Griot's Garage. I've asked a French friend to get me a French market FACOM catalog, as they have all the good stuff that hasn't yet been absorbed into the S-K line. Ultimate Garage is a FACOM dealer as well as Griots, and I've been told (by richard?) they've got a catalog, dunno if it's FACOM's, but I'll order something and find out.

I was also wondering what the deal was with the S-K foundry? Presumably they still make some stuff stateside? No? I know there are others not mentioned, Cornwell has a foundry in Ohio, I think?

I'd kinda doubt that Williams uses the _exact_ same dies for Koalt and Snap-On. I compared the Kobalt combo wrench to one of my Snap-Ons, and they aren't the same. The Kobalt handle is pretty much rectangular in cross-section, and really does hurt your hand when you pull hard. The Snap-On is more rounded. As well, the Kobalt is visibly looser on the fastener. Maybe these are Snap-On rejects? Can't explain the handle differences, though. The breaker bars seem to share the same grip, though, it just seems the kobalt doesn't have those nifty machined indentations at the base.

I know Stanley owns Mac and Blackhawk (didn't know about Husky), but the Blackhawk stuff doesn't seem similar to the Mac stuff. These look awfully different to be from the same dies, shape wise. So the price difference is different steel in the better tools? Surely they can't be charging Mac prices for better plated Blackhawk stuff?

> FACOM also owns (large parts of) USAG (Italian?) and Beissbarth...



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Addendum

I received the following info from Dan Peronto a Tool Designer for Snap-on Tools at the Kenosha Mfg Plant:

From: "Peronto, Daniel J."
To: "John T. Blair"
Subject: Hand tools
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:44:50 -0500


I just wanted to add my 2 cents. Well a nickle really, considering that I work for Snap-on and we over charge for everything :)

I was reading on your site about 'who makes what tools' http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/whotools.html. One part explians that the various manufactures use 'the exact same forgings' for all the various brands they sell. This is NOT true for Snap-on tools. Our retail brand Kobalt sold through Lowe's stores, shares very little if any traits with our traditional Snap-on line. They are made in the same plants, but most of the manufacturing tooling is different. They are made by the same UNION skilled machinists useing the same tried and true processes. The designs for these tools are completly different. They use different material and are heat treated differently.

I hope this clears things up slightly
Dan Peronto
Tool Designer
Snap-on Tools
Kenosha Mfg Plant

technical
07-29-2004, 10:17 AM
Maybe back in 1960 you were paid that, if flat rate killed you, your not good. If you know your shit you can be fast and meticulas.
Our top guy makes 110k a year, hes used car tech and does inspections/repairs on 5-6 cars a day and books 20+ hours a day.

To clarify, they paid me $13/hr...( chevy dealer ), that top guy I mentioned was at $15/hr, on average 40 hours per week...52 weeks per year = 27,040. Of course there were some big weeks, but that wasn't always the case. What scared me was the guy next to me was at $14/hr and he was there for 15 years!!! Obviously not much room to grow. No one in the shop was banking 20hrs/day. I gave it up almost 10 years ago and back then I didn't know anyone making more than $50k.

If I was still doin it, and making $110k/yr I guess $6k-$10k for a box isn't that much outta pocket.

As for not being good...I've forgotten more than you'll ever know... :P :razz:

Pete2k_Z28
07-30-2004, 12:09 AM
Blue Point boxes don't compare 100% to Snap On boxes. They are still better than Craftsman, etc, but Blue Point is Snap On's "Value" series.... many of the Blue Point tools are generic or Chinese tools that are marked up 50-300% or more.

Yes Kobalt tools are made by the same manufacturer as Snap On, but they are NOT the quality of Snap On tools. Mac is a Stanely brand, and Craftsman and Matco tools are also made in the same plant, and again no comparison. Don't forget, Corvette's and Cavaliers are both made by Chevrolet, and they're both GM cars. That doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that they are the same vehicle.

Compstall
07-30-2004, 01:06 AM
I have been using Snap-on tools and tool boxes for over 10 years now in the Air Force. I recently got a different job in the AF, and I am also now recently in charge of all the tools in our building. Snap-on tool boxes are junk, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. I can't stand them. The boxes we have at work right now suck. The locks practically have to be jimmied to even get them open. I have found a loophole in the system, and will be buying nothing but Craftsman stuff for work when I can with the Gov't credit card. :P

Tom@SpeedInc
07-30-2004, 04:21 AM
Why dont' you consider Matco 5S tool storage? Matco tool boxs are the best in the industry. Unlike snappys they have evolved. The only tool box I would consider purchasing is another Matco.
here is a pic of mine, this week I added a locker more pics up soon.
http://community.webshots.com/user/fraser350

Tom@SpeedInc
07-30-2004, 04:32 AM
To clarify, they paid me $13/hr...( chevy dealer ), that top guy I mentioned was at $15/hr, on average 40 hours per week...52 weeks per year = 27,040. Of course there were some big weeks, but that wasn't always the case. What scared me was the guy next to me was at $14/hr and he was there for 15 years!!! Obviously not much room to grow. No one in the shop was banking 20hrs/day. I gave it up almost 10 years ago and back then I didn't know anyone making more than $50k.

If I was still doin it, and making $110k/yr I guess $6k-$10k for a box isn't that much outta pocket.

As for not being good...I've forgotten more than you'll ever know... :P :razz:

$13-15 an hour that was the going rate back in the late 80s but booking over 100 hours a week was common back then, i've only seen it happen once or twice in the last two years. Used car techs will always book big hours though. If the car needs brakes for example they just do them, every car they look at needs work.

Technicians are paid $26 an hour now and that rate is only going to go up.

Not many techs make over 100k, maybe like 5% of all. Most thoes guys have been repairing vehicles 25+ years + continually educating themselfs. Its not something your automatically given, something earned.

J-Rod
07-30-2004, 10:35 AM
No doubt Matco makes nice boxes.

As for the commnets about Bluepoint, if you go get a Snap On box that is in the same line as mine, the only diff is the trim color on the drawers, and the label. Otherwise it is IDENTICAL. See the above thread I posted about the Kobalt tools, etc...

On the tool side. Its like anything else. In many cases the stuff is identical in some cases it is not. Look at a lot of the air tools. The Bluepoint stuff is IDENTICAL to the Snap-On stuff in most of the cases I have seen. I'm not saying it always is. Like anything else it pays to compare.

Again, I buy most of my tools second hand @ Cole's flea market in Pearland, and out of about 10 pawn shops in the Houston area. We take the Harbor Freight catalog, the Snap-On price sheet, and a few other reference guides and will pay no more than 50% of new price for anything. If you don't mind going on a regular basis, you can find just about anything you will ever need in brand new never used shape for the price of much lower quality tools...

Tom@SpeedInc
07-31-2004, 03:13 AM
Snap on kinda sucks when it comes to air tools, My IM 31 3/8s impact is a serious weak POS that I paid $300 for.

They said Kobalt and blue point tools are made to different tolerances and quality control then Snap Ons. Kobalt tools don't look anything special to me, they didn't look like flank drive to me.

Alot of Snap on air tools are rebadged IR air tools so for the last few years i've only purchased IR air tools from online stores. They sell em cheaper then the tool truck can sell them to me for.

Just purchased a Snap On Micro VAT last week, that thing kicks ass. Saved my ass on a job too, showed bad alternator even though shops VAT 40 showed a good load test.

Squintz Palladoris
08-01-2004, 10:25 PM
For 6000 bucks you could buy 9 costco boxes and have some change left over. When one wears out you can sell it and use another one. I would love to have a nice Box like that but I would rather spend the money on tools instead.

I think I may look into selling tools for Matco, Mac or Snapon. Looks like some good GP on those sales.

Brad

robertbartsch
08-02-2004, 09:23 AM
What I said was, people making the hand tools in China earn .02 cents an hour and that if the same tools were made in the US the manufacturor would have to pay these workers at least $12 - 15 an hour....

It is a no-brainer that the tools from China will be less expensive. The real question is whether the US tools are better and justify their relative high price.

From the discussion above about MAC, Snap-On, Craftsmen, Stanley and others, it seems the steel these tools are made from is similar given that the manufacteror for most of these brands is the same. The finer point is obviously the fit and finish. From my experience, Snap-on tools fit great; they fit into tight spaces and their polished finish and chrome plating are without equal.

It is really a question of weather you are willing to pay $450 for a Snap-On wrench set or $29 for a similar set made in China.

What salary has been earned by mechanics 20 years ago has no relavence in comparing values between US and Chinese made hand tools in today's marketplace. Tools are made by factory workers not mechanics.