ArcticZ28

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I called up Comp cams and told them that I was looking for a cam that would be very streetable but also produced a higher level of hp gains. I don't want to have to be switching springs every 3k miles, so I want something that's not too extremem but enough to produce some good numbers. The guy recommended me the Extreme RPM 216/220/114lsa cam, saying this would be best for my use. But, I can't help but question this. All I hear about is how awesome the TR224 cams are and how everyone is using them and raving. I don't want some wimpy 216 cam if I can use a solid 224 cam without problems. I know everyone will have alot of input for this... and that's exactly what I'm looking for. I have all stock internals and I'd like to know what everyone thinks would best suit me. Thanks alot. (BTW, this is a daily driver and must remain so I HAVE to pass emissions with no problems)

Jimmyz

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If you're OK with gaining 10-15rwhp that cam "might" be alright. If I were you, I'd call Alan Futral (Futral Motorsports) and ask him to recommend a cam. Tell him your concerns and power aspirations then go from there. Comp doesn't know these Gen III motors like some of the other sponsors do.

My $.02

PREDATOR-Z

That is why they develloped the X-ER lobes

soliari

there are many small comp cams that are producing TR224 numbers or better. Look at this thread.

Also for reference my Comp Cams 216/216 cam produced 397/394 SAE through stock heads.

Magred2001vette

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Go w/ the comp 224/224 .581 112 or 114...This is most common and what I have. The TR224 is slightly smaller and makes good HP too.

BTW-I made 385hp and 390tq w/ factory heads!

At the VERY LEAST go with a TR220 on a 114. With a nice cat-back you will sound COMPLETELY factory, but with nice gains.

ArcticZ28

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Wow, pretty respectable gains on that smaller cam Soliari... I'd like to get a little lope sound out of a cam though. I'm not trying to make this a sleeper and make people think I am completely stock. I could care less, and I really like the lope sound (a little lope, not excessive). But yea, I thought the comp cam was a little uh.. wimpy.. when he recommended it. MAGRED - why did you decide to go with comp cam instead of TR? Just out of curiosity, since the majority seems to be TR.

soliari

Well, unlike you I decided I wanted the car to be a bit more stealthy and I had seen some smaller Comp Cams putting down some good power, torque, and times. My research also revealed that the TR cam uses less aggressive lobes than the Comp XE-R lobes. I thought there were some power to be seen from that. That thought seems to be validated by the performance of my cam. I was actually suprised at how well this smaller cam is performing.

Just so you know, here's a sound clip. right click, save as

ArcticZ28

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Just watched the vid. That is very stealth. That's awesome how you got so much hp from such a small cam, very atypical from what I've been reading. I should only hope to be so lucky. As for now, I'm lookin towards the comp 224... but exactly which comp cam is this MAGRED?

Magred2001vette

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this is my exact reason too

marc_w

I think that's a perfect cam for what you were looking for...

Yes, the lobes aren't the current latest and greatest, but that can still be a good thing.

TR lobes are similar to one of the most agressives lobes out there - the XE-R's from Comp.

The more high rpm use the motor will see, the sooner springs will need to be changed. More agressive lobes also speed that up.

Magred2001vette

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comp 224/224 .581 .581 112 also known in the LS1 world as "the end all be all" of our cams!

yes, you can gain slightly more HP from overcamming with radical cams at the expense of drivability also ask those people how their low-end TQ is now

Jimmyz

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I'd be VERY impressed and surprised with his mods (no LT headers, LS6 intake, pulley) if he'd make this type of power at the wheels. 394rwtq??? WOW! is all I can say.

ArcticZ28

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And this 224/224 cam from Comp will be fine for my daily driving needs? Will I have to upgrade springs/pushrods? What all will need to be upgraded along with this for protection?

PREDATOR-Z

JFYI,

A guy here does 405 rwhp with the 216/220 Xtreme cam and 550+ on nitrous. Bolt ons and 5.3 Stage II heads and SLP 1.85 rockers.

equandt

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The 216/220 cam has made 400 rwhp with bolt ons and TEA 1.5 heads. A full bolt on M6 car can expect 375 rwhp with the 216/220 cam only.

That is a very respectable cam, XE or XE-R lobes.

The CC216/220 does not idle like stock, it doesn't idle bad but if you know anything about LS1's you'll know its not stock with that cam in it.

I've heard several TR224 cammed cars and I can definately tell you they are nowhere near stock stock sounding. You will absolutely be able to tell a car with the TR224 in it is cammed. The TR224 doesn't idle bad, but it definately isn't stock. It'll sound choppy at idle.

Good luck.

soliari

Well, the car is a 2002 so it does have the LS6 intake (from the factory mind you) and I didn't mention the other mods. I can post a full list of mods if anyone cars.

Jimmyz

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Yep. Key IMHO being the Stage II heads w/ the smaller cam. There are guys making 400+ rwhp with full bolt-ons and stock haeds (which this guy has) but they are much bigger cams. I still say w/a 99 stock motor/intake and shorties he should not expect much more than 360-375rwhp. But WTF do I know.

BTW, you should change your spings when you do a new cam, no question.

Jimmyz

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I'm talking about the guy who started this thread. His sig says '99.

soliari

ah, i see ... it may be close. he has shortie headers, and LM catback. But he will probably need a LSX or LS6 intake manifold.

PREDATOR-Z

OK ARTIC here is the break. With your mods you can expect 15>20hp with 216/220 cam only.
BTW, HPP3 Performance tune and GMAF = way tooo lean. Dump one or the other.