JS

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XE-R 224-228 581-588 113LSA
No advance ground into it?

IMO,its too big and not a good choice for a automatic car w/a TP4500/4.10/26 slick...

I would think a XE-R 224-224 581-581 112LSA +4 would be a better choice for this setup?

JS

CHRISPY

Are you currently tunning the 224/228 with 0 advance?
Aren't you already running the 224/224 113LSA cam with 4 degrees in or are you running the 224/228?
Chris

Smoke_ur_5.0

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IMO,its too big and not a good choice for a automatic car w/a TP4500/4.10/26 slick... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The whole point to having a stall and gearing that high with that gearing is to have a bigger cam. Personally with the drivetrain, I think you should do a 228/228(or 230/230 if you can handle the lope at idle) on a 112lsa with 2 degrees advance.

JS

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Chris I dont know whats really in my car to tell the truth but I think this is the cam thats currently in my car--->224-228 581-588 113 w/0 adv

I'm so discussed that I might take this cam out and start fresh with a CUTSOM grind from Comp.

They recommended a 224-224 581-581 112 +4 for my car using a XE-R lobe.

JS

<small>[ September 20, 2002, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Mike Hoffpauir

Joel, why split pattern?
I think you could should upwards of a 230/230 cam to take advantage of your ls6 heads/stall/gear.

JS

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I really dont know Mike.Comp told me this cam is more suited to a Blower or N20 combination.

Hmmm 230?
I really dont wanna shift the car higher than 6700.Maybe a 226-226 588-588 112 +4?

Where do u shift your F4 cam,Mike?

JS

<small>[ September 20, 2002, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Smoke_ur_5.0

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm 230?
I really dont wanna shift the car higher than 6700. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You'd want to shift a 230 cam around 6700-6800(higher if wanted I guess) It only peaks around 6400. You won't loose any low end cause you have that big ole convertor. I say 230/230 if you got the *****. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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I'm thinking of upgrading to the www.jperacing.com "FU-2" cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It's a 228/228 XE-R on a 111.5 LSA, and it sounds really nice in Jason 98 TA's C5. He belted out 440 RWHP last Saturday with the Speedaholic heads. That cam peaked right around 6,400 RPM; that's lower than my current 224/224 112 LSA XE-R +2. There's NO WAY that a 224/228 is too much cam for an A4 that has a 4,500 stall and 4.10's.

Trevor

JS

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Trevor your right IF IT HAD 4 degree's ground into it,but with NO ADVANCE,I would dissagree with u...

A 113 LSA with a 113 ICL and possible stretched chain would cause the cam to be retarded

JS

<small>[ September 20, 2002, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Terry Burger

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JS just rip the pos Cartek parts off and get a real heads/cam setup. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> One that dynos AND runs the number at the track.

Pro Stock John

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Honestly, before I touched anything on the car, except for installing the Yank converter (gotta put the Yank in), I'd just go to the track with LS1 Edit, and a few tools, and I'd max out your current combo.

Sometimes some of us (like me) get all excited about what parts are out there, and change stuff and never max it out. Since I got the new LS6 heads and cam into my car I have dropped .14 just by adjusting shiftpoints and launch technique. I think I can click off a 10.99 at 3500 raceweight with everything I have learned from my last two track visits. I sure don't like the idea of ripping out a cam unless it's known to be a very early slow ram LS1 cam in which why not pull it, but it won't get you a 10.99 alone... Last time you raced you went 11.5@119mph...

If you can get ur current combo to go 6.9/97mph at 3450 raceweight I'm sure you will run 10's this fall.

Mike Hoffpauir

JS, I am shifting my 226/226 575/575 114 cam at about 6700 give or take a little.

Mike Hoffpauir

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Trevor D:
<strong>I'm thinking of upgrading to the www.jperacing.com "FU-2" cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It's a 228/228 XE-R on a 111.5 LSATrevor</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Trevor, I thought you were going to try the g2 cam?

CHRISPY

JS this kind of irritates me. You PREACHED for months that you were running a single pattern 224 cam on 113LSA and were POSITIVE that was the cam in the car when we said your car was peaking too high for that small of a cam. Julio chimed in and said the exact same freaking thing...224/224 113LSA

Now you say you "dont really know" what cam is in the car and that it is likely a 224-228 581-588 113 w/0 adv.
Which is it?

Chris

Terry Burger

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Chris funny eh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Fenris Ulf

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Trevor D:
<strong>I'm thinking of upgrading to the www.jperacing.com "FU-2" cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It's a 228/228 XE-R on a 111.5 LSATrevor</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Trevor, I thought you were going to try the g2 cam?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This "new super cam" bandwagon is ridiculous, first it starts with the B1/T1 grinds years ago, then the short-lived hammer cam, G2 cam was a joke, TR230 and its copy-cats F1 and X1, the list goes on and on...

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Trevor D:
<strong>I'm thinking of upgrading to the www.jperacing.com "FU-2" cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It's a 228/228 XE-R on a 111.5 LSATrevor</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Trevor, I thought you were going to try the g2 cam?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou and I are kicking around a few different specs. Anything is possible at this point. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS - Even with 0 degrees of advance ground in, you still have the gearing and converter for it. It may peak higher than you want it to, but it won't be too big for your setup.

<small>[ September 21, 2002, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Trevor D ]</small>

JS

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Chris let me answer u in a truthful manner.The X package was changed sometime around my install and Cartek had 2 different cams,A single 224 and a duel 224-228.They dont have the cam card for my car anymore nor the info on file <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I was told I have the 224 so yes Chris I believe what people tell me but I never actually saw the cam card,truthfully I've never had the warm feeling inside considering a 6500 peak.

But dont make is sound like I preached Chris,I only told u and everyone else what was told to me.This is just hearsay anyway since I dont know whats really in my car.

FWIW,My old TR 224 peaked at 6100 which I liked alot,It made great tq and pulled hard to redline.So I was always indifferent about the high peaking power of the X cam but again was told this was the cam in my car (X cam 224).

Terry dont do things like this after emailing me this morning for my VIG sale,Dont play nice guy one minute and ******* the next.U know very well my car has laid down a 11.17,11.20 at better than 120.

CartekDave went a 11.14@122 in the car the first week it was built.My car isnt 3200lbs like your was so dont try and start any BS.

Cartek has 4 or 5 X packages that are PROVEN 11.4 or better so lets not imply they're not doing well with their stuff.

The only thing I'll say is MOST of the X packages are 6sp's VETTES that leave the line at a VERY high rpm (6000).There not automatics that are 3500+ lbs.

I asked a legitamite question about cam specs,Can anyone answer me with a good intelligent answer?Would u run a cam like the 224-228 581-588 113LSA with NO adv.in a auto equipped car?

FWIW,I will NOT touch the cam yet.
PSJ gave a good answer,of course he doesnt follow his own advice all the time either <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I'm going to get rid of the STEPPED Dyna's,I'm going to a T4500 and then I'm racing the car just the way it sits.Carteks tuning is PERFECT.The car hooks and goes straight.

1.I wont be convinced by anyone that a stepped header was good for my 346 (Cartek told me not to buy them and I didnt listen)

2.I will NEVER run any other converter but MIKE/YANKS again.He really helped me out this week and I want to personally thank him.

3.Truthfully I dont know what cam is in my car,I only assume.FWIW I have a Katech pump,IRL chain and when I get around to changing these parts I'll check the cam just to make sure.

Trev,I still think having no advance w/a 113LSA in an auto application is bad if thats really whats in my car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

JS

<small>[ September 22, 2002, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

CHRISPY

I dont think you intake/exhaust duration is the problem but ther 113LSA and 0 advance might be if you have a lot of slop in your stock chain.

That being said however you are still dynoing well but not running the numbers you should. Maybe dyno on another dyno to verify that your numbers are ok. Change the converter and run the car to see what happens.
Also you did preach about the cam LOL. Besides the 224/228 isnt a big cam anyways.

Chris

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry dont do things like this after emailing me this morning for my VIG sale,Dont play nice guy one minute and ******* the next.U know very well my car has laid down a 11.17,11.20 at better than 120.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Relax JS like I've always said I like you, its just fun to try to get a reaction from you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> You have to admit I did question your cam specs when you first put the parts on.

Switch over to my old cam (MMS 229v2.1), tp4400, and a meziere and you'll put down a 10.80 with dyno tuning.