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FastOrange99Z

10-20-2002, 08:42 PM

What is it? Im leaving Raughammer and George C out just because of their piston/rebuilt motors. I think Terry Burger went 10.80s with all stock LS1 internals. Anyone faster? Angie maybe? Just curious.

10-20-2002, 09:23 PM

John Raugh. went 10.86 or 83? with an UNTOUCHED shortblock

IMO thats the record
JS

[ October 20, 2002, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: JS ]

Big Air

10-20-2002, 09:51 PM

I'm not the fastest I'm sure but can't be far off for what it is.
98 Z28 stock bottom end with a ARE stage 2 H/C from spring of last year, YTP 4400 A-4, Strange 12 bolt with 4.10
Car is about 3450lbs with me in it and still has air. 32,000 miles and driven occasionally.
New best as of yesterday 11.19 @ 120.2 with a 1.49 60ft.

Angie

10-20-2002, 09:57 PM

My shortblock is stock, with the exception of the cam. I still have the stock pistons, rods, crank, etc. The only "internal" motor work was when Geoff put cam in almost 2 years ago. I'm running a Thunder Racing 220/220 .561/.561 112 lsa cam, with CNC heads. My best run to date is 10.83 @ 122.9 w/ a 1.41 60'.

Angie

[ October 20, 2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: Angie ]

jhelms

10-20-2002, 09:57 PM

I know my setup was WAY FAR AWAY from fastest, but I was happy with 11.6 @ 119 w/ M6 and a FULL weight car...

TITAN

10-20-2002, 10:35 PM

I believe that Scott Jantzer's 10.82 is the quickest...

Joe

RAGEman

10-20-2002, 11:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TITAN:
I believe that Scott Jantzer's 10.82 is the quickest...

Joe<hr /></blockquote>Not for long!!! MUUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Sorry.

10-21-2002, 07:35 AM

Yep Scott is #1,Raugh and Angie both went a 10.83

JS

Cmarsh93z

10-21-2002, 08:34 AM

10.9 @ 123.5.....stock shortblock. GTP heads/Ams custom cam....would have went alittle faster, but all the runs where at 3450#'s.

Chris

CHRISPY

10-21-2002, 08:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Big Air:
I'm not the fastest I'm sure but can't be far off for what it is.
98 Z28 stock bottom end with a ARE stage 2 H/C from spring of last year, YTP 4400 A-4, Strange 12 bolt with 4.10
Car is about 3450lbs with me in it and still has air. 32,000 miles and driven occasionally.
New best as of yesterday 11.19 @ 120.2 with a 1.49 60ft.<hr /></blockquote>Big Air those times are freaking FAST for that raceweight!!

If you had a ~3000 pound raceweight like Raugh and others you would be high 10.70's LOW 10.8's easily!
Great job!
Chris

10-21-2002, 09:14 AM

Now u know how I feel Chris
11.17@120----->3545lbs!!!

I must get down to 3450 or less.
I cant compete w/3300lb cars...

JS

CHRISPY

10-21-2002, 10:13 AM

Yep I definitely know how you feel.

I think once you get your car running consistent where you want it to be. (It seems to be running anywhere from 11.4 to 11.5 in its current configuration right?)

Then taking the weight out will only help. I still think you should run 4.30 gears and a 26 inch slick <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
cheers,
Chris

10-21-2002, 01:25 PM

Cars running pretty consistant 11.30's now w/ME in the seat.But I still need to get the car down at least another 100lbs w/ME in the car.

Truthfully I'd like it to be right at 3400lbs but I dont think I'll be there for a while.I figure the LW carpet,CF pinon hood,and 2 more little tricks will get another 70lbs out of the car.

That should get me to 3480lbs.I hope to lose another 25lbs myself by Feb.So I should be able to get REAL close to 3450lbs come the beginning of March,Chris..

Little bit at a time...

JS

CHRISPY

10-21-2002, 01:52 PM

Cool good luck with it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
cheers,
Chris

Y2K_WS6_T/A

10-21-2002, 02:01 PM

Not a F-Body...but a vette just went 10.67@123mph

Corvette Forum Post (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=415928)

10.67/123mph (http://www.speeddemonmotorsports.com/Videos/worldsfastestheadsandcamvette.wmv)

Silvr98z28

10-21-2002, 02:22 PM

Thanks Chris,
Previous best was 11.32 @ 119 with a DA of 1500. Recently put in a BMR K-member and switched to Bogart's and with better weather I think teh DA was around 500 and was able to meet my 11teen goal. You may have seen the car in the August issue of Car Craft.
For all of you chasing those great times you see out there make sure you look at the car weight. Do the math, your probably closer than you think. Me, I just think the car is alot cooler as a Street/ Strip car. No Tin Can for me thanks.
Yes I'm "Big Air" just a diferent name from my work computer
Rich

[ October 21, 2002, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: ARE Silver98Z28 ]

RAGEman

10-21-2002, 02:24 PM

I wonder what they did differently to get from 10.91 to 10.67.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Jantzer98SS

10-21-2002, 03:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RAGEman:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TITAN:
I believe that Scott Jantzer's 10.82 is the quickest...

Joe<hr /></blockquote>Not for long!!! MUUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I can't believe 10.82 is the quickest. I'm running Stage I heads with stock intake valves, only 270-280 cfm on the intake side, an old MMS 224 .535 lift cam, and it hasn't been on a dyno for tuning. This is a 3 year old heads/cam combo.

RageMAN I wish you luck.

When the ported 6.0L heads go in with a real cam and another 100lbs weight reduction, expect to see 10.50's this coming year on a stock shortblock. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Terry Burger

10-21-2002, 04:15 PM

Hey Scott when are we going to line up again? I've got 50 cubes on you now... Shooting for 9's NA in 3-4 months. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

The Juggernaut

10-21-2002, 04:33 PM

9's N/A, Terry? Yeah right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
That would be as crazy as me trying to go 10.9x's cam only.... <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

RAGEman

10-21-2002, 07:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RAGEman:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TITAN:
I believe that Scott Jantzer's 10.82 is the quickest...

Joe<hr /></blockquote>Not for long!!! MUUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I can't believe 10.82 is the quickest. I'm running Stage I heads with stock intake valves, only 270-280 cfm on the intake side, an old MMS 224 .535 lift cam, and it hasn't been on a dyno for tuning. This is a 3 year old heads/cam combo.

RageMAN I wish you luck.

When the ported 6.0L heads go in with a real cam and another 100lbs weight reduction, expect to see 10.50's this coming year on a stock shortblock. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Ummm, Scott, you weren't supposed to see that! So, you're going with some 6.0L heads? Awesome! What does your raceweight usually look like? Mine's around 3200 or so.

BADZ

10-21-2002, 09:57 PM

Good luck Terry, Are you asleep now and dreaming?

Time to wake up Terry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

[ October 21, 2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: BADZ ]

10-21-2002, 10:06 PM

Scott u are flying thats for sure but....

3000lbs is LIGHT even compaired to Raughs 3200lbs 10.83,If he wouldve been 3000lbs the car couldve went 10.60 for sure w/his stock shortblock back in 01.

Raugh now has a rebuilt shortblock and a tweek on the cam and runs 10.60's.THATS SERIOUS ET for a 3200lb car....

IMO unless your 3450 or less u arent gonna see 10's on motor outta stock short block N/A H/C car.I dont car what anyone sez,it wont happen at 3500lbs...

With a SOLID yes,it could happen.
Hyd. no way,3450 or less for 10's........

JS

[ October 21, 2002, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: JS ]

RAGEman

10-21-2002, 10:53 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JS:

IMO unless your 3450 or less u arent gonna see 10's on motor outta stock short block H/C car.I dont car what anyone sez,it wont happen at 3500lbs...

JS<hr /></blockquote>I'm going to try that too. We'll see.

Moose

10-22-2002, 05:26 AM

Well, I ran 11.08 @ 125.8 with a 3400lb racewieght. I'm going to gut the car and try and make a valid effort to ge the car into the 10's..

I actually have to shift my car though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

10-22-2002, 06:29 AM

No doubt Moose,Shifting makes it alittle harder..
Just not my bag,Too hard on the drivetrain..

JS

RAGEman

10-22-2002, 07:30 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Moose:
I actually have to shift my car though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Yeah, me too! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

RUQWIKR

10-23-2002, 09:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JS:
John Raugh. went 10.86 or 83? with an UNTOUCHED shortblock

IMO thats the record
JS<hr /></blockquote>I went 10.826 at 124.27 last Wednesday at Stanton, MI (Black Sunshine witnessed) with a bone stock shortblock and trans (except converter - original fluid still in).

Tonight, it should run faster as I am hoping that it won't hit the rev limiter on the shifts like it did last week.

After tonight's run, I'll give the complete rundown...changes since my April bolt-on blast of 11.27 was: put a 6-pt cage, dual race seats with harnesses, stock (heavy) carpet back in (lightweight carpet sitting in the barn the whole year), console, etc. back in. Trans and rear the same as before (4.11's in 12-bolt, Yank 4400). Engine: added GMPP CNC'd LS6 heads with "not too wild cam"...custom 112.5 LSA, 0.561"/0.561", 220/230 at 0.050 (I believe those are correct, but will have to check at home).

Raceweight grew to over 3300#'s. The car is running better than I expected.

60' was my worst of the night: 1.465, best had been a 1.429 but I hit the limiter HARD and went 10.96 or 10.98?

[ October 23, 2002, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: RUQWIKR ]

10-23-2002, 10:32 AM

U DID IT RUQWIKR!!!!
Scott only went a 10.828 and Raugh went 10.83
U have the quickest STOCK shortblock H/C car on the board!!!

Congrats!!!
JS

Fenris Ulf

10-23-2002, 01:55 PM

Get a bigger cam in there RUQWIKER and I bet you could get some 10.5s!

RUQWIKR

10-24-2002, 09:30 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
Get a bigger cam in there RUQWIKER and I bet you could get some 10.5s!<hr /></blockquote>I ran a bunch of low 10.7x's last night at 125-126 SPINNING!!! with my worst 60's of the year, all at above 100 mph in the 1/8th mile. All video'd and witnessed. If I would match my "normal / best" 60's, it would have been probably a high 10.5x, but oh well, conjecture doesn't get me the timeslip.

Raughammer

10-24-2002, 11:13 AM

Congrats man!

As time goes by and we learn more and more about these cars. The records are going to continue to be set...faster and faster times are coming from everybody.

Dang i love these motors!

John

RUQWIKR

10-24-2002, 11:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Raughammer:
Congrats man!

As time goes by and we learn more and more about these cars. The records are going to continue to be set...faster and faster times are coming from everybody.

Dang i love these motors!

John<hr /></blockquote>Thanks. I've got some videos if someone can post them, just email me. John, like many, I used yours as the basis. There is a lot more in these cars and time will find things out. For example, my car only is running 22-23 deg spark over the run at WOT (no knock) on stock injectors and fuel pump. Next spring, I'd like to spend some time on the chassis dyno playing with spark/fuel. I have not dyno'd the car with the heads and cam change.

Also, my car is "heavier" than it may end up being in the future with the airbags, stock carpet, radio head/speakers, both seats (race ones), stock brakes, etc. If I could convince myself that I never would drive it on the street, those, along with the heater and posi / heavy axles would "fall" off the car.

Being from Dallas originally, I always longed for the Motorplex to open up in early February. As we now start to put ours up for the winter (mine is as of this morning), you TX boys start drooling for the good air that comes on now down at the Plex and HRP. Good luck to you guys this winter.

This winter, I'm putting another line lock and a Harlan-two step on it along with my delay box from another car that I had. I plan on bracket racing some next year, either footbrake or "on the box" with line locks.

I'll give a rundown of the latest mods in another post. Thanks and take care. Dave