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Tom the roofer
08-05-2004, 09:14 PM
Does anyone make carbon fiber rear hatch ? I know VFN makes a pin on Fiberglass hatch but then you would need lexan glass too. I'm talking about a hatch that is ALL CF including the glass area. I can't see out the back window anyway lol I don't have a rear view mirror :D

Carbon fiber doors? T-tops? Fenders ? 1/4 panels ? In combination with lexan front and side windows the weight reduction would be an aweful lot and would make my ET's much better. :D AHHH now the ET statement may have made this thread legal in the drag racing section :D


SilverGhost
08-05-2004, 09:26 PM
:D AHHH now the ET statement may have made this thread legal in the drag racing section :D

hmmmmm.

~must control move thread finger~

ack!


:D:D

Ben R
08-05-2004, 09:29 PM
I think Colonel has some stuff like that on his car. You should PM him about it.


Tom the roofer
08-05-2004, 09:30 PM
hmmmmm.

~must control move thread finger~

ack!


:D:D

:cool: :)

Tom the roofer
08-05-2004, 09:44 PM
I think Colonel has some stuff like that on his car. You should PM him about it.

Feedback would be nice :)

Colonel
08-05-2004, 09:47 PM
Nope, sorry. The only lightweight panel I have is the fiberglass hood...and it's not even a pin-on. I still have all the stock glass too. However, I'd certainly like to lose a couple hundred lbs. 2800 just ain't gonna get it! :D

NJSPDER
08-05-2004, 10:34 PM
i have been lookin for lightweight 3rd gen too. seems like all that is out there are the types of panels they use on prostock cars. i don't mind fabbing up the mounting brackets, but they are all extended rocker designs, so it woudln't look anywhere close to stock.
i did find a place in california that will do set ups and make panels even on a one off basis, but it is rather pricey.


later
tim

Cheatin' Chad
08-05-2004, 11:07 PM
I'm going to work on some CF replacement parts this winter (I think it's easier to work the stuff in the cold). The first part I am going after is the Hatch glass. Then I'm going to look into replacing the T-top glass. I don't need to see out of either of those so I figured I'd see how much weight I could save from the deal. No guarantees anything great will happen but I don't see why I can't get this to work well.

I don't have the capabilities to do complex molds at this time (space and money for the most part) but things like glass are fairly easy for me to work with at this point.

Due to the lack of an autoclave (not enough time,money,space to build one) I cannot make load bearing CF parts so I am limited to non structural parts.

I'm hoping to post up a good amount of progress this winter.

RyanJ
08-06-2004, 06:56 AM
PM Fabricator. he does fiberglass/CF work. I'm sure anyone could make a hatch or t-tops or anything given enough time and money.

CHRISPY
08-06-2004, 07:34 AM
Colonel can you post come pics of your car :) I want to see how the interior/exterior looks with a 2800 pounds raceweight :cool:

:cheers:

Carbon fiber would be very expensive I would think!! :eek:

01 SS Jay
08-06-2004, 10:00 AM
Make the back hatch solid CF and just have someone paint what the stock interior looks like where the back glass would be. Sneaky!

Noyzee
08-06-2004, 11:09 AM
I know its out there, ive seen it on cars, i also know it doesnt fit real well, but im no help because i dont know were to get it. sorry

Colonel
08-06-2004, 11:35 AM
"Colonel can you post come pics of your car http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif I want to see how the interior/exterior looks with a 2800 pounds raceweight"

There were some underhood pics along with a couple of interior pics posted here not long back. Basically, the exterior is plain jane stock looking (plus Welds, slicks, and skinnies of course) and the interior has a 10 point roll cage, a bigass tach, a B&M Hammer shifter/console, a cheapass plastic driver's seat (to be upgraded), some cheapass lightweight carpet (which will be replaced with something more factory looking) and no passenger's seat. Other than that, there's not much to see. All of the panels and dash are stock.

MADMAN
08-06-2004, 11:45 AM
Tom, I had a guy in Canada make me carbon fiber panels, hood, and doors for the Purple LT1 car we used to have. The hood was 4 lbs and was a boly on piece. The doors where 25 lbs with power windows. The doors didnt work out because the windows wouldnt stay in the door over 70 mph.

Jim Vanderbeck was the guys name. I will have to find his number.

CHRISPY
08-06-2004, 11:48 AM
"Colonel can you post come pics of your car http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif I want to see how the interior/exterior looks with a 2800 pounds raceweight"

There were some underhood pics along with a couple of interior pics posted here not long back. Basically, the exterior is plain jane stock looking (plus Welds, slicks, and skinnies of course) and the interior has a 10 point roll cage, a bigass tach, a B&M Hammer shifter/console, a cheapass plastic driver's seat (to be upgraded), some cheapass lightweight carpet (which will be replaced with something more factory looking) and no passenger's seat. Other than that, there's not much to see. All of the panels and dash are stock.

Any radio in the car? Does the dash look stock? Heater controls etc?

All interior panels are in the car? (sail panels, headliner etc?)

:cheers:
:cheers:

RUQWIKR
08-06-2004, 11:57 AM
The hatch by itself weighs 37#'s and so does the glass. Talking with some guys who don't sell to the public but do CF panels for prototype / show cars for GM, Ford, and Chrysler, molds would be in the $1000 to $1500 per mold...with EACH style of hatch being only 1 common mold...the underside base. The Formula, T/A high wing, Camaro, and SS all would need separate middle surround and then spoiler molds.

Each part would probably be in the $1500-$2000 range AFTER the molds are paid off...plus, high lead time...and those are not shipped prices These would look 99% stock and would be thick gel-coated to take paint nicely.

So, even if the molds are paid off by Mr. Deep Pockets somewhere or with a combo of guys, with the average guy not painting his own, you'd be out $2000 - $2700 for a 25# max. savings over the rear.

As anal as I am about weight savings, I quickly grew cold after doing MUCH research on this very topic. That said, someone could do a nice looking, but not dead stock looking part for much less especially if you did not mind pinning it on.

What I may do is a flat carbon fiber Firebird hood that uses the stock hinges but pins on. That would be much cheaper and easier to do and would save 30#'s over the nose!

Oh, well, it's only money. Why don't we all just loose our 20#'s that our wives, doctors, and girlfriends tell us we need to lose...maybe even more than 20#'s!

Take care. Dave

Tom the roofer
08-06-2004, 12:12 PM
Thanks Madman :)

Tom, I had a guy in Canada make me carbon fiber panels, hood, and doors for the Purple LT1 car we used to have. The hood was 4 lbs and was a boly on piece. The doors where 25 lbs with power windows. The doors didnt work out because the windows wouldnt stay in the door over 70 mph.

Jim Vanderbeck was the guys name. I will have to find his number.

Pro Stock John
08-06-2004, 12:19 PM
VFN has the ability to make carbon fiber parts. I believe they made fenders and a hood for Ronnie. PM them.

Colonel
08-06-2004, 12:58 PM
"Any radio in the car? Yes.Does the dash look stock? Yes.Heater controls etc? Yes."

"All interior panels are in the car? (sail panels, headliner etc?) Yes, yes, and yes!" :nod:

CHRISPY
08-06-2004, 01:54 PM
"Any radio in the car? Yes.Does the dash look stock? Yes.Heater controls etc? Yes."

"All interior panels are in the car? (sail panels, headliner etc?) Yes, yes, and yes!" :nod:
and it weighs 2800 pounds?

Can I have your secret please (PM me if you like hehe) :lol:

1BADmaro
08-07-2004, 12:23 PM
theres this one site i used to go to when i had an import, www.importfan.com... believe it or not they have parts for domestics too!!!
Carbon Fiber hood, doors fenders, rear hatch... they have it all, no pics though, and a damn little pricey too.

SILVER BULLET
08-07-2004, 03:38 PM
VFN made me a carbon fiber hood. They just laid it on top of the fiberglass. It was $750 and came with a bunch of dings and imperfections. I wasn't very happy with it so I had a body shop fill in all the little holes and imperfections, sand it and paint it. Now I am happy.

GM Muscle
08-07-2004, 04:09 PM
PM Fabricator. he does fiberglass/CF work. I'm sure anyone could make a hatch or t-tops or anything given enough time and money.

I believe he is already working on a carbon fiber hatch with a lexan window. It should be intresting to see when it's done. :drive:

PRAY HRD
09-29-2004, 08:40 PM
i'd be very interested...post up on your progress fabricator. i just called VFN, who i had no problems with my 3" SS hood in C/F, with a scratch proof lexan window from Alston. definately gonna do it, soon as i get my new toy delivered.

later,
Dave

2FAST4U
09-29-2004, 09:05 PM
theres this one site i used to go to when i had an import, www.importfan.com... believe it or not they have parts for domestics too!!!
Carbon Fiber hood, doors fenders, rear hatch... they have it all, no pics though, and a damn little pricey too.
Good site says they have fenders,and shows a hatch that looks vey nice! I like the doors but I would rather have them without lock and the pinstrip! T-tops would be the first thing I would be interested in! Fabercator was making me a set but I lost touch with him I think he stoped making them! He said he was trying to mold the whole t-top not just the glass! I would buy hood, ?hatch?, and t-tops right now! I don't know about the hatch with lexan would look! And the hood I will order from RK in 2 peieces and cut and past the bottom on!

Tom the roofer
12-15-2004, 01:25 PM
ttt any more info? :)

DopeFedZ
12-15-2004, 04:24 PM
Try this link http://www.importfan.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=104_117_124&zenid=175658e0a35658fd620878105f8d0cd3

Hotrodhawk
12-15-2004, 05:59 PM
Ya might want to give suncoast racecars in Florida a call.

Hutch
12-16-2004, 12:39 AM
The only guys I'm aware of that will have what you need in lightweight carbon parts will be Joe VanOverbeek or Tim @cynergy composites . Tim's number is 519-245-0016. If you want "clear" carbon for looks its not their deal. They make race paintable stuff very ridgid and lightweight.
Hope this helps, Hutch

NLang
12-16-2004, 02:07 AM
I'd attack the idea if I had sufficiant space for production of such large pieces. Unfortunately, I don't :(

Give VHN a call. I know they work with fiber. They probably don't have what you're looking for on a shelf, but they certainly have the ability to make the parts.