Joe Kizzire

Where were all you hot dogs at the Thunder Shootout??? You could have shown the world
your tuning expertise plus won some money to boot. You could have competed against the quickest and fastest LS1's and LT1's in the country. Of course you would have had to run at 3500lbs.

What's that your saying???? Your car won't run that fast if you put all the weight back in it.

The point being weight removal is not tuning and timesliping ain't racing.

CHRISPY

LOL! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Why dont you take a bit of weight out of your pig and see how fast you can get it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Chris

<small>[ November 18, 2002, 08:00 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

GeorgeC

...and everyone here should do what Joe says they should just to make him happy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Some folks just don't have any interest in racing, Joe. Why does that bother you so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I could care less what other guys do with their cars. While I do race mine regularly, I enjoy laying down a new personal best on a Wednesday night test & tune as much as anyone else.

Joe Kizzire

Chris that is my point..... For every 100lb I remove my car it will pick up a tenth of a second. If my car runs 11.0's at 3700lbs it will probably run 10.50's at 3200lbs all things being equal. It's a given.... Hence weight removal is not tuning and shound not be given as much credence as actual horspower building along with engine and chassis tuning.

When I walk by a car in staging and the insides are gutted like a empty soup can any ET that comes up on the scoreboard I add at least three tenths to it for comparision to another car with full interior.

Bad Habit Bird

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I have gotten to the point of being to lazy to strip my car out lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

I will admit that I have gutted my car before and in doing so was the first NA bolt on car to trap 120mph, but I just dont feel like driving a gutted car around all the time so making more power is the best way to go for me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

CHRISPY

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>
When I walk by a car in staging and the insides are gutted like a empty soup can any ET that comes up on the scoreboard I add at least three tenths to it for comparision to another car with full interior.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Everyone does the same thing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

People reduce weight in the pursuit of faster ETs and higher mph. Just like some people turn higher rpm, more gear.

My main motivation to reduce my cars raceweight (not to the point of the car looking ghetto) is to not only go faster but also to save parts. The lighter you can get the car the less likely you are to break stuff. (easier on clutch, gears, trannys etc)

I am running 11.30@~122mph right now at 3400 raceweight, with another 200 pounds in the car I would probably be in the high 11.4's low 11.5's@120mph.

That is an accepted fact that at our power levels 100 pounds is right around a tenth.

My final goal is to get the car running 10.9's to 11.0s at 3300 pounds raceweight while maintaining the same engine config I have now. (Gear swap, slick swap and 100 pounds out: LW hood, K-Member/A-Arms should get me there)

I dont think it makes me any less a racer to approach it from that angle, do you?

cheers,
Chris

JimmyKash

there's a point of gutting a car to lose weight and gain ET and there is also a very GOOD POINT of losing weight so you dont put such wear/tear on parts.

The lighter the car can get, the less torque you will need to move the car and that is easier on parts

I agree there comes a point of horribly looking gutted cars, but if you do it right...it isn't going to look gutted

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GeorgeC:
<strong>...and everyone here should do what Joe says they should just to make him happy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Some folks just don't have any interest in racing, Joe. Why does that bother you so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I could care less what other guys do with their cars. While I do race mine regularly, I enjoy laying down a new personal best on a Wednesday night test & tune as much as anyone else.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK George what did you do to your car between your new best and the Thunder Shootout?????
I'm just guessing but I say you took the weight back out of the car and found a good air day and went to the track. That's it!!!!

They call Wednesday night Test and Gut instead of test and tune.

LEO

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Chris that is my point..... For every 100lb I remove my car it will pick up a tenth of a second. If my car runs 11.0's at 3700lbs it will probably run 10.50's at 3200lbs all things being equal. It's a given.... Hence weight removal is not tuning and shound not be given as much credence as actual horspower building along with engine and chassis tuning.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Joe, what about guys who run more gear and slicks, should they not be given as much credit as the guy who runs a stock 10 bolt with 3.42 gears on drag radials? What is a 12 bolt 4.56 gear with 28" slick worth over a stock 10 bolt with drag radials? 5-6 tenths maybe more?

Nine Ball

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LOL! Funny thread. Personally, I don't care what other guys do to their cars to run their numbers. I've got my own personal goals for my own car, and so far I have exactly what I'm looking for. Sure, I could gut my car and go run 9s NA, but it wouldn't be the car that I want in order to do so.

I put over 500 miles on my car last week. That is more important to me. Add power and keep the weight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

-oink oink!

Tony

GeorgeC

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>OK George what did you do to your car between your new best and the Thunder Shootout?????
I'm just guessing but I say you took the weight back out of the car and found a good air day and went to the track. That's it!!!!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, but you have to remember what "weight" I took out of the car... Spare tire/jack, tool kit, and air tank... Last time I checked, the lack of a compressed air tank is good for the appearance of the car. It looks no more gutted right now than it did at the Thunder Shootout. Good air? Yes. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> The carpet was also out, as I was in the middle of repainting my rollbar and installing a new seat. It's all back together now (but I don't have a passenger seat right now).

I'm 99% finished with another "secret" project that I hope to see some gains from (and has nothing to do with weight removal <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ), and plan to finish it up this afternoon and test it out Wednesday, so that I can be confident that the car will be ready to race at Orlando's Night of Fire next Saturday. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

<small>[ November 18, 2002, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: GeorgeC ]</small>

Terry Burger

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George finally putting an EWP on? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I love the way my car is setup right now, ~3300# raceweight, and looks/sounds stock to the untrained eye on the street. Anyone who races their car at a 3600# raceweight is cheap in my book. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

So Joe what did you run NA at the shootout?

Tim98TA

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My take on this is that if you wanna gut/strip your car to a tin can rattle trap, more power to ya. Some do it, like George, BeaSSt, etc, to have a race only car. That's fine. But to do it, just to turn good times and post them on the net for all to see, then drive it on the street is senseless IMO. I paid ~$26500.00 for my car and I am NOT gonna tear it apart just to run a #. But that's me. There is a wide open definition on what is a "street" car.

Tim

GeorgeC

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Colonel:
<strong>The challenge now is to see how light I can get the car while keeping the interior looking nice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto here... My interior is complete except for the lack of a back seat and passenger seat (temporary). Console, carpet, headliner, all panels (even the rear speaker panels and the luggage compartment divider thing) are always in the car, yet I have a raceweight of ~3150lbs. or so. I'll be adding a few more lightweight parts here and there, and can probably get down to a "full interior," "non-tin can looking" weight of ~3050lbs or so (unless we start seriously looking at the Percy's Speedglass <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ).

Guido

Not that my opinion means squat around here, but here it is.

I think anything in the 3000-3200 pound for a minimum is reasonable.

Why? Look at all the other races that are put together. Typcially, race weights are even UNDER THAT for NA and sometimes nitrous cars. Once you get to turbo and supercharged combinations then they start tacking on weight.

a 3500 race weight is unheard of in other racing organizations. Not that I, or anyone else, have any pull to bitch about it when someone sets up a race but that is my stance.

Personally, Id love to get my car down to 3100 raceweight. It has a 14 point steel roll cage, a heavy *** turbo and a heavy engine block. It takes some $$ to get the car weighing less now too. Like brakes, wheels, tubular arms.

Okay Im getting off on a rant here but I think someone may get my point.

Again, not that my opinion means squat around here, but there it is. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

JFM-jr

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This free country right?I mean anyone at any time can remove anything they choose in their cars to run faster.Nobody is stopping anyone from doing it.If you choose not to thats great..for you.Just dont cry when a guy with no passenger seat,rear seat,carpet,etc has 5 cars on you going over the traps.Geeez.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

LS1x2

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Does anybody actually beleive that 100lbs=.1 descrease in ET? Two things about that. One, it is relative to how fast the car is from the start, and two, it's RARELY accurate. A bonstock ls1 with 100lbs taken out will pick up more that .1 in the 1/4.
Just an observation I have made myself. I see this rule all the time.
As far as whether to gut your car or not, it's personal preference. Certainly nothing WRONG with it.

GeorgeC

It truely depends on the car... I can tell you, my car does not pick up .1 for every 100lbs. The quicker you go, the harder it is to improve...

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong>Does anybody actually beleive that 100lbs=.1 descrease in ET? Two things about that. One, it is relative to how fast the car is from the start, and two, it's RARELY accurate. A bonstock ls1 with 100lbs taken out will pick up more that .1 in the 1/4.
Just an observation I have made myself. I see this rule all the time.
As far as whether to gut your car or not, it's personal preference. Certainly nothing WRONG with it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, I didn't mean that in EVERY case 100 lbs. off your raceweight = a tenth off your ET. Not at all, I was merely using it as a general rule, and I still feel it's a pretty good one.

Colonel

Try it with a low 10 second car. I bet you'll be lucky to drop .75 tenth.