Colonel

That might be a good idea. C5R heads are of course a nice advantage over LS6 heads.

Which also brings up the questions...

Should LS1 headed cars get a further weight break?

What about hydraulic cammed cars? (Would've been very nice not to have had to weigh 3400 lbs while running against the solid lift cars at Bowling Green.)

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Colonel ]</small>

KTamez

On that same token how are you comparing a 23* headed LT1 to a standard 15* LS1. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Also shouldn't a car be allowed to run a Single Plane Intake? A Sheetmetal is allowed but Plain ole' cast manifold won't.

Just an LT1 perspective on a couple points of topend items. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Lookin forward to the end rules. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Stefan D.

What about this. Im not sure of the deal with C5-R heads meaning what they came on but I think it should be production heads only. I dont think you can purchase a Corvette or Camaro or Bird with those heads but I could be wrong. If they are lets let them in. You can limit other things like intakes etc. I think you should have to run a factory style intake. No sheet metals and no home made **** either. Just my two cents.

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Colonel:
<strong>That might be a good idea. C5R heads are of course a nice advantage over LS6 heads.

Which also brings up the questions...

Should LS1 headed cars get a further weight break?

What about hydraulic cammed cars? (Would've been very nice not to have had to weigh 3400 lbs while running against the solid lift cars at Bowling Green.)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Stephen Judson and I were discussing this the other day and he said even though he was building a C5R headed motor it might even take 200lbs to even things up. As for the hydralic lifter motors with the advent of the trick new Kubeck hyd/solid lifters it's hard to say what is and what's not a solid lifter. I don't know how that will fall. Like I said this is for discussion and any input is welcome.

mikey

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28W tires allowed and I WILL be there. From what I have seen recently on some C5R head flow numbers, it should be 200lbs minimum. I may even run these next year and would be happy to take on 200lbs. Keep the weight @ 3200.

Mikey

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: mikey ]</small>

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong> From what I have seen recently on some C5R head flow numbers, it should be 200lbs minimum. I may even run these next year and would be happy to take on 200lbs. Keep the weight @ 3200.

Mikey</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Low budget huh???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Nine Ball

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Whatever you guys decide, please include a class for big-motored street cars next year. There are far more 400+ci daily-drivers out there than gutted, transbraked, solid roller racing LS1/LT1s

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

-Tony

Joe Kizzire

Tony maybe with the race being a two day event and if there is enough interest generated (paid pre entries) in a big inch 3500lb class Angie might consider it. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Joe Kizzire ]</small>

squinn

I'm really hopping to be there next year. I would hope you keep the min. at 3200 and maybe add 100-200lb for any after market head. I'm not really worried about the C5R head, its heads like the Canted Valve or a SBC 15° race heads that scare me if someone was to show up with some on a car. You guys should really look at outlawing the really trick high end heads. I'm not saying its going to happen, but you could go 8's NA on the current rules.

Louis

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Then what about SB2s? some food for thought <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Jay Johnson

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C5R heads with the Kinsler throttle bodies?

Only a 200 lb weight penalty?

Jay Johnson

squinn

I think they outlawed SB2 heads, and Canted Valve and 15° heads are right in the same range as the SB2.

STMPDUST

if you allow an sb2.2 headed motor in a 89 f-body to run with you, count me in

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jay Johnson:
<strong>C5R heads with the Kinsler throttle bodies?

Only a 200 lb weight penalty?

Jay Johnson</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you guys will go to the Thunder Shootout website and read the rules you will find out that sheetmetal intakes are allowed but only in stock (single throttlebody in front) configuration. I don't think the Kinsler setup fits the bill.

Joe Kizzire

This is for discussion only ... No new rules meetings as of this time.

Pro/Stock
C5-R heads.... It has been brought to my attention that with the increased flow of the C5R heads the that cars using said heads needs to run 100lbs heavier than the production headed cars.
If this rule was implmented do you think the minimum weight should stay as is (3200lb) or droped to 3100lbs. I know some of the cars had to add weight to make 3200lbs so it seems to me that droping the production headed cars to 3100 and the C5R headed cars at 3200lbs would work. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

<small>[ November 24, 2002, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Joe Kizzire ]</small>

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong> From what I have seen recently on some C5R head flow numbers, it should be 200lbs minimum. I may even run these next year and would be happy to take on 200lbs. Keep the weight @ 3200.

Mikey</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Low budget huh???? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Absolutely. If I spend $4k on the car next year, I consider that limited budget. The rest of the motor and the chassis are kickin butt. I own this car. It's not a coporate owned and sponsored car. Every penny comes out of MY pocket. How I work to pay for it is a seperate issue. If I worked as an engineer to pay for it, would be the same.

Joe Kizzire

Hell Mikey my car is owned by my corperation so I guess it's corperate owned and if yours is not you need a new tax lawyer. Mikey if you own a business in the performance industry and are not writing off every penny you spend on your car including money spent on trips to the track your not near as smart as I thought you were. Also I'm sure some of the suppliers help you out with parts so Mikey quit poor mouthing and just race.

By the way you might want to get you car to run on true 10.5's because I don't think the rule is going to change.

mikey

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Joe Kizzire:
<strong>Hell Mikey my car is owned by my corperation so I guess it's corperate owned and if yours is not you need a new tax lawyer. Mikey if you own a business in the performance industry and are not writing off every penny you spend on your car including money spent on trips to the track your not near as smart as I thought you were. Also I'm sure some of the suppliers help you out with parts so Mikey quit poor mouthing and just race.

By the way you might want to get you car to run on true 10.5's because I don't think the rule is going to change.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I started the business after buying the car. I still write it off but you know as well as I that it is never dollar-for-dollar. Contrary to what you want to believe, I pay for everything. Ask Spohn, ARE or whoever. I don't want stickers on the car. ARE has helped me with the car but just my regular dealer cost. You believe what you want. Like I said, allow a W tire next year and I WILL be there. Then you and Judson and whoever else, can walk all over me at the track.

Joe Kizzire

The tire issue is dead...

It won't be changed. If you guys would do a little research you would find out that MT is making a 10.5-S which has the same sidewall as the W's but with a true 10.5 width and are about 7lbs lighter than the W's. As for being safe Billy Glidden runs 7.80's on them with no problem.

Colonel

If the weight for C5R headed cars is 3300 next year it looks like I might be adding as much as 600 lbs to run the event...and this is starting with a FULL interior car! (minus some seats of course)

Hmmm....where to put all that lead? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />