New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - BIG Decision: LS1 or LT1 ?!

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Ok... I'm gonna turn 18 in January. I am getting a T/A (See sig.)
*Money is a big factor. I want to have this thing as soon as possible (for my senior year)
I love the way T/A's look and, to be honest, that is probably the biggest seeling point of the vehicle for me. (Or at least 50%, cuz we all know what the other half is dedicated too! :burn: ) So, when it comes down to it, I guess i would be happy w/ either the LS1 or LT1. Both big V8's! :hail: Anyways, when i drive a fast car, my favorite part is being thrown back againt my seat at takeoff (low end tq) and i have heard the lt1 have a lot of power down low. But I am also very aware of their lower track times compared to an ls1 :( My top budget range is probably around 15k (pushing it). So, i need lots of input from you guys.

LS1 or LT1

Ps: I know that lots of you guys are somewhat biased toward your awesome LS1's (this being LS1 tech and all...), so please keep an open mind and consider my parameters. I have researched this, but would appreciate one on one input. Thanks in advance.

I would recomend the ls1 due to the fact that like you previously mentioned, It is significantly quicker out of the box than an Lt1. You get newer styling on the ls1 cars, plus likely lower mileage. Stock for stock the ls1 is obviously going to impress you and your friends more. Go with the ls1 and you won't have any regrets. :judge:

LS1. You can afford a decent Trans am, possibly a WS6 for 15k. Just have to look hard. I would get an LS1 though!!!


EDIT- Doh, I did get an LS1..

Oh, and make sure you look hard for the car you want (M6, LSJAUN!!, T/A, Black/Red) It might take a little longer, but you will be 100% satisfied!

Yeah, it will probably take me a while to find the exact T/A I want (color, mileage, m6, year, stock). Thanks and keep the posts coming guys! :rock:

LS1. You can afford a decent Trans am, possibly a WS6 for 15k. Just have to look hard. I would get an LS1 though!!!


EDIT- Doh, I did get an LS1..

Absolutely...plus you don't have to worry about the opti-spark

LS1 all the way. They perform and look a lot better. Looks are a LOT better in my opinion.

Not a tough decision here, the LS1 kicks ass. I'd still be driving Mustangs if the LT1 were the only engine choice in these cars.

Not a tough decision here, the LS1 kicks ass. I'd still be driving Mustangs if the LT1 were the only engine choice in these cars.

I am partial to the ls1 looks, but can anyone give me info on that low-end tq on lt1's?

ls1's actuallty have more torque than an lt1. you can just feel it more down low in an lt1 because of the torque curve. trust me, ls1's are the way to go. i have a few friends with lt1's and neither of them can touch me with their cars. and they've got a decent amount of money in them. remember, in an lt1,you are giving up somewhere around 50rwhp to the ls1.and yea, they definitly look a hell of a lot better than an lt1-particulary the trans ams. i got my 99 two years ago for 15K, with 18K miles on it, which is a pretty good deal. so just keep your eye open and you will get a good deal on one. good luck

Definetly get the LS1, you should be able to find one that is under 15k pretty easily.

Ps: I have researched this, but would appreciate one on one input. Thanks in advance.
I see more and more newbs using this to keep the "search button director" off their backs.:jest:

I have never had an LT1 powered vehicle, but I'm sure you could find a LS1 vehicle within your budget.:D

Like everyone else has said, it won't disappoint you. If you buy an LT1, you'll forever kick yourself for not getting what you really want. You KNOW you want an LS1. Just look hard, and it will pay off for you in the end.:thumb:

I doubt you're going to find the *right* LS1 T/A you want in your price range at the present time.

My suggestion for you is to WAIT until you graduate HS to get it. You'll have more money saved up, have lower payments AND get the car cheaper. Plus a nice car will mean so MUCH more when you're in college compared to being in HS because really, HS is a joke and NOTHING matters or compares to college.

go w/ the ls1! same reasons as others have stated above. but NO DOUBT get it when your still in HS. i got mine january of my senior year. nothing like being able to say as i did, saying you have the fastest car in school when you graduate(bragging rites forever) not to mention all the chicks you'll certainly pick up :nod: trust me, i was in the exact boat you are in 9 short months ago.

LS1 If you can afford it, LT1 if you cant. Optispark sucks, so I would probably save my money and go for the LS1

Screw that, get a 95 Cobra!

Honestly now, I'd wait till I could afford/find the right LS1. I agree, HS isn't shit...wait till you pull that LS1 into campus and parties, and then talk about getting girls!!

...wait till you pull that LS1 into campus and parties, and then talk about getting girls!!

ehhh :confused:

ehhh :confused:
well, it might help a little :jest: Girls like pretty cars.

And really, the girls you think are "all that" in high school don't hold a candle to the girls you'll meet in college. Trust me, the car will mean more in college then in high school.

Everyone will forget about bragging rights in high school. trust me......

And really, the girls you think are "all that" in high school don't hold a candle to the girls you'll meet in college. Trust me, the car will mean more in college then in high school.

Everyone will forget about bragging rights in high school. trust me......

C'mon guys, I go to Jersey Village High School and there is lots of competition and lots of fast cars. I'm not getting this vehicle to bait shallow girls, Even though it will help, because we have more than our fair share of girls like that. But really, having a bad-ass car in high school (as a senior), that you have worked your ass off for is going to be badass, and by college, i'll just have a faster,bad-ass car (thanks to all of my paychecks being poured into it) and be able to enjoy it just the same.

been there, done that already. It's really not special lol

been there, done that already. It's really not special lol

I guess I'll have to wait and see...

I say get an ls1 as stated as above. But I say get it in HS. C'mon guys...you have to think about this. In HS everyone knows you worked for the car and everyone knows you have it. I got mine in HS and now that I am in college no one really cares. Its just another car in the parking lot. Not to mention theres a lot of other really nice rides. I dont care that its "just another car" but its not nearly as noticed.

By the way...I agree. Girls in college are sooooooo much cooler/hotter in college than in HS. But they could care less what kind of car I drive. Especially in the program I'm in. Most girls I know have just as nice of car, if not nicer.

Well, I've owned both, 94 and 00 Formulas, and my opinion is ... while unlike most of the guys who have posted, I like the clean look of the early cars, engine-wise there is no comparison. Not only do the LT1's have the notorious optispark, (ask me, I've replaced two), but in general they are not as well-engineered and suffer from many more driveability problems. Yep, the LT1's have gobs of low-end feel-good part-throttle torque, but when you jump on it, the LS1 will walk away from the LT1. Save yourself the dissatisfaction and frustration while you save up for an LS1.

i was in the same position as you; after test driving a few LT1's i was almost sold, until i did the research on the Ls1 and found out it was the far superior engine. as stated the LT1's feel "faster" due to there 2400rpm peak tq. LS1 doesnt see peak tq until ~4400rpm, but the LS1's mid range and top end more then make up for the "lack" of low end.

Ive owned just about every engine combo in third and fourth gens LB9, L69, L98, LT1, LS1 since I got my first one new in 85. First thing I will say, (and this is sure to piss some people off) but be careful. You are an amature driver and theses cars, even in stock form are incredibly powerful. You can get into trouble real quick if you don't know what you are doing. With that being said, my old LT1 with A4 and 3.73s feels much quicker off the line than my LS1 Hawk with Longtubes. If you plan on going to the track and making a lot of 1/4 mile runs, than the LS1 is going to be better out of the box. But if you just plan on toying around on the street to 80mph, the LT1 is more than adequate. Not to mention, the LT1 sounds awesome. My LS1 sounds like a blender.

Everyone here is saying go for a LS1. I say go with what you like. If you get a LT1, it will be more challenging to make it fast. By making a LT1 fast though, you will have a much more unique car. Think of how many fast LS1's there are vs. the fast LT1's. The LT1 exhaust note is also much more reminicent of old school muscle rather than the LS1's more modern sound if you prefer that. If you're up for a bigger challenge and want to be more unique, I say go LT1. If you want to stay stock, then go LS1. Just my $0.02.

I vote for the LS1 also, but you won't get the gas milage an LT1 gets.

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Ok... I'm gonna turn 18 in January. I am getting a T/A (See sig.)
*Money is a big factor. I want to have this thing as soon as possible (for my senior year)
I love the way T/A's look and, to be honest, that is probably the biggest seeling point of the vehicle for me. (Or at least 50%, cuz we all know what the other half is dedicated too! :burn: ) So, when it comes down to it, I guess i would be happy w/ either the LS1 or LT1. Both big V8's! :hail: Anyways, when i drive a fast car, my favorite part is being thrown back againt my seat at takeoff (low end tq) and i have heard the lt1 have a lot of power down low. But I am also very aware of their lower track times compared to an ls1 :( My top budget range is probably around 15k (pushing it). So, i need lots of input from you guys.

LS1 or LT1

Ps: I know that lots of you guys are somewhat biased toward your awesome LS1's (this being LS1 tech and all...), so please keep an open mind and consider my parameters. I have researched this, but would appreciate one on one input. Thanks in advance.


lower track times COMPARED to the LS1? i hope you eman the lowe tracktimes of the LS1 compared to the LT1....

LT1's have been known to show more peak torque where as the LS1 will show a table top.....LS1 is much more appealing as well in the looks category...if you need money look at the 98-00 LS1's(FORMULA OR T/A)...LT1's ive seeng et worse gas mileage...yeha they sound awesome wiht the Iron block and stuff big deal its not that geat sounding i think i like how GMMG sounds on LS1's more than LT1's (jsut personal preference) not as powerful takes much more to make i powerful...same boltons in both cars the LS1 will pull out ahead...believe me youll never turn back to wanting an LT1...

I say since i have both a ls1 and a lt1 cars that are both running awesome. It really just depends. the Lt1 car will throw u back but just not as much as the LS1. The problem in getting a lt1 is they are usually beat up, but really cheap when it comes to money, but if u could find a good running lt1 it probably is good for a high 13 second pass? But everyone knows the ls1 is always good for 13's

slammed am.. i havnt read through the other posts yet but im gona give my "one on one input". i have owned my LT1 powered TA since highschool.. many many yrs. it has been a great ride for me!! i know stock for stock the LS1 is pushin out more power but with ur budget u could pick up a LT1 and with the rest of ur bucks build it up over-powering the LS1.. easily : )

LT1 4 Life

It's all in price. The LS1 is without a doubt a better motor than the LT1, but they can be had for a lot cheaper than the LS1. The LS1 will produce better power when modded and will probably be in a lot better shape than whatever LT1 you come across, but if you're strapped on cash you can always find an LT1 in decent shape for 5-7000 dollars.

C'mon guys, I go to Jersey Village High School and there is lots of competition and lots of fast cars. I'm not getting this vehicle to bait shallow girls, Even though it will help, because we have more than our fair share of girls like that. But really, having a bad-ass car in high school (as a senior), that you have worked your ass off for is going to be badass, and by college, i'll just have a faster,bad-ass car (thanks to all of my paychecks being poured into it) and be able to enjoy it just the same.

How about this... come over to my house and i will show you the better reasons why to get the ls1 then the LT1


I cant say i know you, but i am sure i know people who you would recognize. I graduated in 2003 from jersey village highschool! I have a 1987 Bronco that is lifted and a 1969 fastback stang. I know brent blackwell, and a few other people. Hit me on AIM or stop by my house. I can explain in full detail why the ls1 is better! Not to mention i work on the site... so i know i am not completely worthless

Gray

but on the other hand . im going with a ls1 427 stroker in my 95 z28. itll look like a lt1 car from the outside. but it will run like a motherfucker!!!

Yeah, it will probably take me a while to find the exact T/A I want (color, mileage, m6, year, stock). Thanks and keep the posts coming guys! :rock:

Be sure to check out all the online car sites (I found mine on http://www.carsdirect.com/ ) You increase your chances of finding what you want online. The closest WS6 I found was about 4 hrs (One way!) from where I live, so my wife and made one trip to go see it and another to go get it. Plus, everything in my sig was already on the car. Not major mods as you can see, but a lot of small stuff I won't have to buy later on! Just give yourself some time to find what you want!

As for which to get, get whatever you can afford. I love my LS1, but theres nothing wrong with an LT1 either. I've found that depending on the companies, some offer more LT1 parts than LS1, and they are a little cheaper. You will like either one though!

up until i got my t/a in high school. there was a n/a 300zx on spray that was "the shit" at our school. Then i drove in the t/a one day.... that solved that problem....

Not to mention, the LT1 sounds awesome. My LS1 sounds like a blender.
duals would fix that, stat.

GMMG and hooker would fix that too

would have to agree, my LT1 has the meanest tone..

Thanks so much guys for all the helpfull comments. Keep em coming! :cheers:

I don't think that anyone has mentioned this but my LS1 is a lot easier to work on than the LT1 I used to have. There seems to be more room in the engine bay of an LS1, which makes my hands much more happy! I know some people say that the LT1 is fast too so it doesn't really matter, but when you keep getting your ass handed to you by LS1's then it tends to get really old quick. Believe me. Get the LS1, for 15K you can get a nice car that will last. Just be patient and get what YOU want.

Hope to talk to you soon, im sure i can help you out with your decision

Bro, holla at Bronco and I'm sure he'd help.


If you go to "Jersey Village" High, then I'm sure there are nice, fast cars there. You driving a stock LS1 or LT1 won't make a difference. If your school is how you say it is, you'll get handed by faster cars anyway...whether you have an LS1 or LT1. Save money and buy the cheapest V8 f-body you can find. Believe me (2nd yr. UF Gator), when you get to college, your car won't matter to anyone but you. No one cares or is interested in that superficial high school lifestyle anymore.

If I was to choose I would get an Ls1. More horsepower potential, and I like the newer bodies better than the old ones!

very good point added by "tomaSS" ive done work on both LT1's and LS1's, and the LS1 is much easier to work on. i havent done any major work on either (ex. heads, cam, blower, etc.) but the stuff i have done, there is no question the LS1 is better to work on. I find myself enjoying doing work on it, as opposed to throwin wrenches off the wall when i work on an LT1

Bro, holla at Bronco and I'm sure he'd help.


If you go to "Jersey Village" High, then I'm sure there are nice, fast cars there. You driving a stock LS1 or LT1 won't make a difference. If your school is how you say it is, you'll get handed by faster cars anyway...whether you have an LS1 or LT1. Save money and buy the cheapest V8 f-body you can find. Believe me (2nd yr. UF Gator), when you get to college, your car won't matter to anyone but you. No one cares or is interested in that superficial high school lifestyle anymore.

Hey, thanks for the commentary. I am not worried about having the fastest car at JV (but I bet I'll be one of the fastest cars there :devil: ) (LS1= :hail: ) because I know it just isn't possible (I don't have that kind of money). T/A's (LS1's in general) get respect because they deserve it. However, I plan on having one of the meanest looking rides at my schoool. And as far as buying the cheapset f-body I could get a hold of goes, i need this thing to last and am somewhat picky. I disagree about your last two comments though. I know several people and pretty much everyone on ls1tech have a lasting affinity for automobiles (namley the fast kind :drive: ), and I'm sure others can appreciate a vehicle that I will take great pride in and put great effort into. High school is pretty damn superficial for the most part. But don't make the mistake of stereotyping "us high school kids" as shallow, naive, irresponsible punks.

I disagree about your last two comments though. I know several people and pretty much everyone on ls1tech have a lasting affinity for automobiles (namley the fast kind :drive: ), and I'm sure others can appreciate a vehicle that I will take great pride in and put great effort into. High school is pretty damn superficial for the most part. But don't make the mistake of stereotyping "us high school kids" as shallow, naive, irresponsible punks.
Dude, I'm only two years removed from being that punk you speak of. Don't get me wrong, there are gearheads in higher education. What I was talking about were the people who know absolutely nothing about cars that instantly want to become your friend when they see you pimpin a T/A to school. That's not going to happen in college. All I'm saying is be smart about your purchase. Don't buy the car for the sake of admiration from your peers b/c that is shortlived. Buy it for you and you only. :thumb:

I have had both a LT1 and a LS1. If you get a LT1 you will be pissed at yourself the first time you go to race a stock LS1 on the highway and get walked on. I would highly recommend getting an LS1. You won't be sorry. Besides what good is that torque "feeling" if you get beat?

Dude, I'm only two years removed from being that punk you speak of. Don't get me wrong, there are gearheads in higher education. What I was talking about were the people who know absolutely nothing about cars that instantly want to become your friend when they see you pimpin a T/A to school. That's not going to happen in college. All I'm saying is be smart about your purchase. Don't buy the car for the sake of admiration from your peers b/c that is shortlived. Buy it for you and you only. :thumb:


Oh, trust me, as soon as I saw those smoothe curves, mean front fascia (bumper, ie...those awsome-shaped head lights, Ram-Air hood, those menacing twin lights...), that wonderful ass, sleek, shark-like body, nice 17's supporting an aggressive stance... :drool: I became completley infatuated with them...and that was when I was young kid. Now that I know of what's under the hood, I'm completley biased. :rock:

Oh, trust me, as soon as I saw those smoothe curves, mean front fascia (bumper, ie...those awsome-shaped head lights, Ram-Air hood, those menacing twin lights...), that wonderful ass, sleek, shark-like body, nice 17's supporting an aggressive stance... :drool: I became completley infatuated with them...and that was when I was young kid. Now that I know of what's under the hood, I'm completley biased. :rock:
Man, you should be a writer! :judge:

you can pretty much do anything you want to an ls1....yourself..if your handy with a wrench and have a little mechanical background its nothing to throw on some headers, or a cam.........definitly go with LS1

if u havent decided already, when i lookin to buy mine i noticed the interior quality and feel is better in the ls1 rides. May not be the best in the world but there is a difference. A cars interior is your habitat so i vote for ls1.
plus ls1's look better imo :naughty:

another vote for LS1 - but for appearance purposes. Think about it - you can grab a 98 and still have the "newest" Camaro body-style around until at least 2007. How great is that? I hate it when I own a car, throw a lot of cash inot it, and then a newer better looking model comes out the next year! You won't have to worry about that.....for now.....

Man, you should be a writer! :judge:
Thank you, I try to put as much thought and insight as I can into my writing so others can better understand what I am thinking. Check out this thread, now this is some straight-up, heart-felt, ls1tech poetry here! http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210648

you can pretty much do anything you want to an ls1....yourself..if your handy with a wrench and have a little mechanical background its nothing to throw on some headers, or a cam.........definitly go with LS1

Yeah, I don't have too much experience working on cars, but I help my dad out on his 78' drop-top mgb project as much as possible ( :nod: 21 sec 1/4 mile-stock, looks nice though) and read anything I can get my hands on about cars/engines. I'm pretty mechanically inclined and am a fast learner so I can't wait to start working on MY car. And if all else fails my dad is real handy with cars (and just about anything else), so he could probably help me out of any jams I encounter. And I have all of you guys!

if u havent decided already, when i lookin to buy mine i noticed the interior quality and feel is better in the ls1 rides. May not be the best in the world but there is a difference. A cars interior is your habitat so i vote for ls1.
plus ls1's look better imo

Yeah, I am pretty partial to the ls1’s revamped styling. It was what I first fell in love with. I remember the day… It was dusk…a mean, black ws.6 pulled up behind my dad…those nostrils snarling...the exhaust rumbling...ohhhh god. Love at first sight. My T/A will be a daily driver so that quality will come in handy…

ls1, but ive seen some scary lt1's...you just gotta put alot of work and alot of $$ into em.

I'm in college right now, and i wouldn't dream of bringing my baby here. im keeping my beater at school with my SS back home safe in da garage.

ls1, but ive seen some scary lt1's...you just gotta put alot of work and alot of $$ into em.
For real. Cough cough...LT4...cough cough.

i noticed the interior quality and feel is better in the ls1 rides. May not be the best in the world but there is a difference. A cars interior is your habitat

The interior changed in 97 - so you can have the updated interior with the LT1 if you so choose.

if you want a rip right outa the hole, get an ls1 m6 car, throw in some 4.10's and throw on some drag radials. or if you dont like jammin the ole' cogs, get an a4, big stall, 3.73's, and some dr's. either way, i wouldnt get an lt1. i paid 10k for my z. if you could find somthin like that or cheaper, use the rest of the dough, and make that bitch REDICULOUS. :drive:

No love for the LT1 :(
I bought an LT1 ($4500) and never looked back becasue of the amount of money I spent compared to what an LS1 would have cost. I have beaten my friends LS1's many a time on the street, however they will pull me up top, and with not even full boltons it runs 12.7's. Its not common for an LT1 to run as good as mine has(thankfully) If you can get an LS1 for a good price get it, but the thing I like about my car is everyone expects it to be a low 14/high 13 second car :devil:
Representing the LT1 :hail:
-Mark

go w/ the ls1! same reasons as others have stated above. but NO DOUBT get it when your still in HS. i got mine january of my senior year. nothing like being able to say as i did, saying you have the fastest car in school when you graduate(bragging rites forever) not to mention all the chicks you'll certainly pick up :nod: trust me, i was in the exact boat you are in 9 short months ago.


bragging rights rock. we have a few M3's in the school and a vette or 2.... they buy what they think is gonna be the fastest but i still own em off the line and keep putting distance between us :devil:

looks like the LS1 is just too popular, but ive never been one to go with the rest of the crowd.. ;)


LT1 :punch: LS1


so far: :shiner: LT1

:(

It's all about what you think looks the best and what is the most financially practical if you are gonna drive it everyday. If you are dead set on a LS1 like you have mentioned then get the LS1 because of the styling. The LT1 isn't as strong as the LS1 which has been noted BUT in the grand scheme of things where all out performance is concerned both can be extremely quick. FWIW a LT1 can be stroked and bored for about 1/4 of what an aluminum LS1 can be bored and stroked for and still slightly less than a 6.0 motor in todays market, not to say that may or maynot change in the future though. If you are going to mod it and so on and have a suspicion you are gonna turn it into an all out hotrod I would recommend the LT1 for this reason alone. It is cheaper. This quality would make it a good vehicle to make your first mistakes with LOL being you said you haven't done this much. All of us that are into cars remember those first mistakes. Some were worse than others. If you are sticking to basic mods go with a LS1. If you are gonna get nuts I would consider the LT1.

My brother has a 96 Formula lt1,6speed a REALLY NICE CAR has all the bolt ons even 4.11 gears and it won"t run with a stock ls1. Its fast butttttttt!!!! :devil:

Think about it ... the original small block Chevy engine debuted in 1955 and was still in production through the late 90's. LT1 production began in 92 and was done in 97. The LSx architechture was introduced in 97 and is undergoing continued development today and will for many years to come. The LT1 architechture with the optispark was merely a stepping stone up to the LSx platform. It was a poor design, vexed with problems and is history ... but not the kind of history that will generate nostalgia. It may run good, but forget about it. LS1 is it ...

well its evolution.. L98-Lt1-Ls1-Ls2 etc..

dont base ur decision on whats popular or whats higher on the fuel chain, there r pros and cons to everything..

No love for the LT1 :(
I bought an LT1 ($4500) and never looked back becasue of the amount of money I spent compared to what an LS1 would have cost. I have beaten my friends LS1's many a time on the street, however they will pull me up top, and with not even full boltons it runs 12.7's. Its not common for an LT1 to run as good as mine has(thankfully) If you can get an LS1 for a good price get it, but the thing I like about my car is everyone expects it to be a low 14/high 13 second car :devil:
Representing the LT1 :hail:
-Mark

You have a 93... they always seem to run the best. The speed density helps a lot.

It's all about what you think looks the best and what is the most financially practical if you are gonna drive it everyday. If you are dead set on a LS1 like you have mentioned then get the LS1 because of the styling. The LT1 isn't as strong as the LS1 which has been noted BUT in the grand scheme of things where all out performance is concerned both can be extremely quick. FWIW a LT1 can be stroked and bored for about 1/4 of what an aluminum LS1 can be bored and stroked for and still slightly less than a 6.0 motor in todays market, not to say that may or maynot change in the future though. If you are going to mod it and so on and have a suspicion you are gonna turn it into an all out hotrod I would recommend the LT1 for this reason alone. It is cheaper. This quality would make it a good vehicle to make your first mistakes with LOL being you said you haven't done this much. All of us that are into cars remember those first mistakes. Some were worse than others. If you are sticking to basic mods go with a LS1. If you are gonna get nuts I would consider the LT1.

But you don't even need to go with a stroked 6.0 to reach the power of a stroked LT1. Throw heads and cam in a 346 and set everything up right, you'll be running 10's with the LT1 guys in their big mouse motors.

My vote is for the LT1. Both are great cars, so its just up to you. But me being an LT1 owner I get kinda tired of LS1 guys always raggin on LT1's. Plus lving in Houston all the ram-air LS1 TA's are startin to get crazy. See so many everday, not NEARLY as bad as mustangs, but im gettin worried.

Guess I just like to be different thats why i have an LT1 Formula. I have a 93 with 100k miles and the only major thing that crapped out on me so far has been the opti, which went at 75k. Car runs really strong for just havin an CAI and exhaust (dyno'd 285hp 310tq) and im sure it will continue to. Stock vs stock the LS1 is much faster, but if u plan on some serious modding then either one can be made very fast.

If you look hard enough you'll find a nice LS1 T/A in your price range. While not a bird, A buddy of mine just bought a '99 Convertible Z28 with 40k miles for ten grand in amazing condition. You'd be amazed how fast dodge dealerships want to get rid of those bowties on their used-car lots.

Other than that, the LS1 will throw you back in your seat like there's no tomorrow. Plus with parts availability, ease of modifications / repairs, the LS1 is the way to go. I'm going LS2 in my Chevelle, but... it's just basically a little bigger LS1. ;)

My vote is for the LT1. Both are great cars, so its just up to you. But me being an LT1 owner I get kinda tired of LS1 guys always raggin on LT1's. Plus lving in Houston all the ram-air LS1 TA's are startin to get crazy. See so many everday, not NEARLY as bad as mustangs, but im gettin worried.

Guess I just like to be different thats why i have an LT1 Formula. I have a 93 with 100k miles and the only major thing that crapped out on me so far has been the opti, which went at 75k. Car runs really strong for just havin an CAI and exhaust (dyno'd 285hp 310tq) and im sure it will continue to. Stock vs stock the LS1 is much faster, but if u plan on some serious modding then either one can be made very fast.

Yeah, but the boy didn't say anything about rare-factor, just throw-your-ass-back-in-your-seat factor. :)

LT1 -> :punch: <- LS1

Dude, I'm only two years removed from being that punk you speak of. Don't get me wrong, there are gearheads in higher education. What I was talking about were the people who know absolutely nothing about cars that instantly want to become your friend when they see you pimpin a T/A to school. That's not going to happen in college. All I'm saying is be smart about your purchase. Don't buy the car for the sake of admiration from your peers b/c that is shortlived. Buy it for you and you only. :thumb:

word...

My brother has a 96 Formula lt1,6speed a REALLY NICE CAR has all the bolt ons even 4.11 gears and it won"t run with a stock ls1. Its fast butttttttt!!!! :devil:

Prior to cam and headers I ran down many STOCK Ls1 cars... Here comes the old LS1 were built by gods own handss thing again.. :bang:

AVG LT1 car ran 13.9 ~ 14.1 stock
AVG LS1 car runs 13.3 ~ 13.5 stock
Fuel for the fire...friends stock 98 A4 3:23 car ran a best of 13.9 @ 99mph..thats no lie folks.

Some faster/some slower in both camps. A bolt on LT1 will certainly beat a stock LS1 :eyes:

Comes down to budget, preference, etc. I love how the LT1 feels driving it around.. it sounds much better IMHO than the LS1 *many will agree* and its cheap if you blow it up (I know since I just replaced my engine). The LS1 has more out of the box and mod for mod is one step ahead of the LT1 but there is no limit to what you can do. We have an LT1 on MFBA thats in the 8s. Stock block folks. (Note I didnt say internals) Its really up to you. I drove a 98 when I was looking back in 01. I went from that to the LT1 car and the LT1 car just fit me better. Granted the LS1 was a lil faster stock... but the feel of it just sealed the deal for me.

Good luck and I hope you get the right car for you. Not anyone else.

if u havent decided already, when i lookin to buy mine i noticed the interior quality and feel is better in the ls1 rides. May not be the best in the world but there is a difference. A cars interior is your habitat so i vote for ls1.
plus ls1's look better imo :naughty:

LS1 Interior is in the 97 LT1s. LT1s had it first. :) :jest:

That's very important. Get the car that you want and not what everyone else wants you to get (although it's pretty hard to run against the grain). LT1's aren't as popular as they used to be. I don't see many out in the streets anymore. But there are a lot of LS1's out there. From what I've been reading (not only in this thread, but in countless others) there seems to be a lot of "trash" talk about the LT1 engine. I guess that's okay... just because my toy is better than yours.

The fact is, they are both good engines. The LS1 just has more recent technology in it. Both engines are outdated. With the LS2 and LS6 being produced in some GM cars, the LS1 is starting to feel and look like the old LT1. They both command a lot of repect. The LT1 from the older generation, the LS1 from the younger generation. Both can handle lots of power. 600 hp is 600 hp, no matter what engine your using. And unless your ego is completly fueled by how fast you can go, you're living in Europe, because in America, the fastest you can legally drive is 70 mph give or take 5mph.

If you're not power happy and if you don't live at the track, it's not going to matter which car you decide to get. Sure stock LT1's will lose to stock LS1's. And sure stock LS1's will lose to stock LS2's. Thus, the saga continues. The point is, you will never own the fastest stock car out there. It will be replaced by a better engine the next generation. In fact, us LT1 guys are the only reason why the LS1 guys have so much confidence. Because they can beat an LT1. Not many other pony car owners can say that.

From your POV, it would be logical to get an LT1. It's cheaper and, most importantly, it's still a TRANSAM. Save the rest of your money for college or for a rainy day.

Oh, and I would like to thank Enisguy for providing a link to this thread in the LTx forum, because I never browse through this forum.

ls1, but ive seen some scary lt1's...you just gotta put alot of work and alot of $$ into em.


Not a lot of money, I don't have a lot of money wrapped up in my car and its a scary lt1. Everyone keeps mentioning the ls1 is faster but they don't mention the extra 10 grand its going to cost that you could use for mod money. It's really your choice but can either have a stock looking/slow(low/mid 13's) ls1 since your budget doesn't really leave anything for mods, or you could have a 383 trans am lt1 with badass wheels/lowered/tint/etc that will run 11's all day long and will be more unique. For 15k you can build a realiable low 11 second lt1 trans am easily. Plus then you get to beat up on all those cocky ls1 guys who think their sh*t don't stink. :eyes:

Some things to think about, if you get a 6 speed, plan on having to spend $2300 for a rear end because you will break it if you run sticky tires, and if you run street tires then your just going to get owned from a stop.

Well, IMO, it totally depends what you want. If you're like most of us in here, money doesn't come easy. If you want a fast car to race with and are limited to a specific starting budget then a low cost LT1 car is the best option. I can say from experience beacause I own both right now. My 02 Z28, A4, 2.73gears, w/ K&N and hooker catback vs. my wifes 94 Impala SS (4200lbs) with all the bolt-ons and 3.08's in the rear. In the 1/8th she takes me by a car, in the 1/4 I come back and get her by a car. Now we have the Hotcam kit and My self prepped set of heads to go on, just need to find the time. I have run my Z against a guys Imp that has my heads on them with the Hotcam kit and 3.73's, He embarrassed me and quite a few other LS1 cars as well as LT1 and Fords out there. Plus the LT1 has more built in options such as boring, stroking and the longevity is better. 383-401 cid is very easy to attain, where-as the LS1 is limited to stock bore, unless you have BIG bucks. All the LT1 needs is a good set of heads and hp possibilities are unlimited. As fot the optispark, there are wys around it or just deal with it. Most don't like it because of the work involved getting to it, but it's still a good system. Both engines are good designs, but as of now the LS1 is much more expensive to build on, But in turn the LS1 puts out more power stock so you're starting with a higher baseline horsepower (about 65-70hp more). It's totally your decision, But as said above, get it for YOU, not for your friends. No matter what, in the end, whatever you buy will be your's and you'll be proud to say it's "your's"

I doubt you're going to find the *right* LS1 T/A you want in your price range at the present time.

My suggestion for you is to WAIT until you graduate HS to get it. You'll have more money saved up, have lower payments AND get the car cheaper. Plus a nice car will mean so MUCH more when you're in college compared to being in HS because really, HS is a joke and NOTHING matters or compares to college.


Plus in HS you have the ass-monkeys who will key/damage your car because its better than theirs, and the don't like you anyway.

Insurance will also be a bit cheaper for college folks.

Did you decide yet?

Man there is a lot of hating going on in here. :confused: A lot of lt1 guys that I know wish they could buy an ls1 because its faster. Just get what you can afford and what looks good to you and enjoy. I was worried I couldnt afford my car so i almost bought a 96 formula ws6 for about 8000 less but I am sure glad I didnt.

CMC

Another point for the LT1 is that its iron block can handle more boost than the aluminium block of the LS1.

I love my ls1, but I would say get a good running LT1 and make a 396 out of it. I Think that is the best bang for the buck big cube motor for a fbody car ls1 or lt1. get some good flowing heads, and then a good custome grind cam and there ya go, you got over 500whp with a good tune and the apropriate supporting mods like fuel etc. Just my opinion. Oh btw if u like the looks of the newer cars just do a front bumper swap with fenders, headlights and all. :hail: 396 LT1 :hail:

I like both so I'm not Bias either way....I say test drive both then decide..

side note however, I love my opti,it is my friend!!! :jest: stock for stock I give it to the ls1's but for max effort, the Lt1 being a wittle lil iron block engine holds its own.... :judge: I dont think neither one could down the other, no matter what love you have for either engine ...

wow, too many biased people here for sure. I just decided to build a hobby car, I got so rapped up going to the track with a buddies hemi truck bone stock with 100 shot of nos to run 12.75s. So many nay sayers and it's been done. I like it and missed it very much so I decdied to by a formula.

I know the ls1 was faster and really didn't care. Money wasn't really the option but I figured since it was a hobbie car, oh well. Whatever I can find.

I looked at some 98s and 99 firebirds, not too bad but they wanted 12k for them with about 60k on the miles. I though, hmmm, that's really not too bad.

than I ran into a 97 lt1 formula. it had only 86k on it, ice cold air, ran really good. The optispark has been resolved sorta with a vacuum hose to keep the moisture out of it (applies to the 96 too). So I decided to buy it. I picked it up for a cool $4500 bucks. Man, I was tickled pink. That's $7500-10k cheaper. Even the 98 they wanted 9500. That's crazy I thought. Sure, it's about 5 tenths faster roughly, but I can get that with about 1k investment. It's a 97 lt1 formula with A4 2.73s. Slapped a hypertech 3 programmer and a MAS and the damn car ran 13.7, wow, what a deal I have.

Hey, I love the ls1 but I don't dream about getting one. You can make either car go faster. It's all about the money, period. I don't care what anyone says. I can make a civic run 10s too. Like I said, it's all about the money.

Get whatever you like, it's all about the look that you want. Just as others have said, it's yours and your hard working money that you put into it.

I was ready to spend my 12k on a 99. This is recent, I just bought this car 5 weeks ago and never thought twice about wishing to own an ls1.

I am happy with my purchase. I got the car dirt cheap, it's in great shape, and I know have an slp intake and I have the 4.10s to put in, and I'm hitting 12s for sure easily. Not bad for only about 1k extra. so let's see, that's about 7k for a car to run 12s and a little tuning with a full blown exhaust system, here comes 11s.

Honestly, I like them both, hell, I like them all. Seriously, make it a decision that you want. ls1 is faster for sure bone stock but consider the aftermarket and the money you saved on the lt1.

Like I said, it's all about the money. You can make anything faster, it's how much money are you willing to spend. Good luck on whatever you decide.

"wow, too many biased people here for sure."

You'd almost think this is LS1Tech.com or something.

Just recently, (end of june/ beginning of july) I got my 99 Z28 for $10,500 with 49k miles. It's even a convertible, which from my thinking, should make the price higher compared to the coupe or t-top versions. The car's in great shape, totally clean, and fully optioned with power everything, leather, the works.

Qouted Wickedwarlock: "Slapped a hypertech 3 programmer and a MAS and the damn car ran 13.7, wow, what a deal I have. I got the car dirt cheap, it's in great shape, and I know have an slp intake and I have the 4.10s to put in, and I'm hitting 12s for sure easily. Not bad for only about 1k extra. so let's see, that's about 7k for a car to run 12s and a little tuning with a full blown exhaust system, here comes 11s."

Not to hate, but I wouldn't think 4.10's and an intake would yield 7/10's on an otherwise stock motor. Let alone even a complete exhaust on top of that taking off another whole second. You'd have to use your ricer calculator to figure gains like that. No way in hell in my mind, but hey, good luck.

Regardless, I have nothing against lt1's. I was in the same situation when looking for one of these cars. I looked at a couple lt1's. The main thing that worried me were the ignition problems I heard about. Another big influence was the newer body style and interior. Once I drove an ls1 , there was no going back. I shopped around and found mine for the crazy deal I got it for. Haven't regretted spending the extra money in the least bit. Like I said though, if the lt1 is what you can afford, then why not. It's still gonna be pretty cool and damn fast. I would've killed to have one in high school, but I had to wait another 2 years.

I had the choice to ditch my LT1 and buy an LS1, or keep it and get a daily driver. Needless to say I kept the LT1, believe it or not you can make them fast. It really depends on what you want to do, if you know what your doing and know how to buy some stuff used, you can build the hell out of an LT1. Also, LT1 guys may bitch, but in comparison to an LS1 our motors are cheap as hell to build. I had a choice between an LT1 and a Mustang 4.6 GT, i took the LT1. My buddy just bought a complete used blower kit for his LT1, S trim and all for 2200. Once you really get in to these cars you realize stupid LT1 Vs LS1 debated are reserved to the people who will never really build their car past bolt ons or maybe heads and cam.

I love 'em both, however, if you are not interested in building a stroker or heavy modding, and if you plan on light bolt-ons, get the LS1. Yes you can build an LT1 cheaper, just depends on what you're looking to do. Keep this in mind

LT1 = 230-240 RWHP, very high 13's stock.
LS1 = 300 RWHP, low 13's stock.

Do the math.

Just recently, (end of june/ beginning of july) I got my 99 Z28 for $10,500 with 49k miles. It's even a convertible, which from my thinking, should make the price higher compared to the coupe or t-top versions. The car's in great shape, totally clean, and fully optioned with power everything, leather, the works.

Qouted Wickedwarlock: "Slapped a hypertech 3 programmer and a MAS and the damn car ran 13.7, wow, what a deal I have. I got the car dirt cheap, it's in great shape, and I know have an slp intake and I have the 4.10s to put in, and I'm hitting 12s for sure easily. Not bad for only about 1k extra. so let's see, that's about 7k for a car to run 12s and a little tuning with a full blown exhaust system, here comes 11s."

Not to hate, but I wouldn't think 4.10's and an intake would yield 7/10's on an otherwise stock motor. Let alone even a complete exhaust on top of that taking off another whole second. You'd have to use your ricer calculator to figure gains like that. No way in hell in my mind, but hey, good luck.

Regardless, I have nothing against lt1's. I was in the same situation when looking for one of these cars. I looked at a couple lt1's. The main thing that worried me were the ignition problems I heard about. Another big influence was the newer body style and interior. Once I drove an ls1 , there was no going back. I shopped around and found mine for the crazy deal I got it for. Haven't regretted spending the extra money in the least bit. Like I said though, if the lt1 is what you can afford, then why not. It's still gonna be pretty cool and damn fast. I would've killed to have one in high school, but I had to wait another 2 years.

so you don't think going from 2.73s to 4.10s won't drop 7 tenths, hehe?

come on ricer calculator, haha. Hey, I had a 95 tbird with 3.08s that run 15.8 bone stock. I put in 3.73s and the car ran 14.7 bone stock.

I've spent my time at the track, much 10 years ago, and probably 30 times in the past few months. I'm not going to step down with the wise cracks.

every 10hp is 1 tenth roughtly in the quarter or every 100 pounds less weight is 1 tenth too.

I don't expect a full second from the exhuast but I do with the 2.73s to the 4.10s. Possible a little more if I don't break the rear, haha.

So if I hit 12.7s with the 4.10s and how much power is a set of headers, high flow cat etc get me? That's damn close to 60hp correct? 11s are going to be close depending on traction issues. So now I have to go with larger tires/rims, that's another factor and yes, I need all the luck I can get but we shall see in time.

and yes, if I found a 99 for 10k with only 49k on the miles. I honestly would of considered one too. I say you did get a good deal.

"wow, too many biased people here for sure."

You'd almost think this is LS1Tech.com or something.

hehe, I love it. Just because it's ls1tech.com, it doesn't mean you have to be biased. Hey, I like anything that goes fast.

It's typical of these sites, brand loyal only. HAHA, Got to love it.

hehe, I love it. Just because it's ls1tech.com, it doesn't mean you have to be biased. Hey, I like anything that goes fast.

It's typical of these sites, brand loyal only. HAHA, Got to love it.

Not really a brand loyalty issue when they're both built by the same company. ;) Hell, I don't even have an LT1/LS1/LS2/LS6 etc... but I understand this is LS1tech.com and it's obvioiusly going to be biased towards LS1's. I wouldn't go to a Republican or Democrat convention and ask who to vote for... :devil:

Hey what's up? I would go with an LS1 obvioulsy because it's newer and faster. Just so that you know, I bought my 2000 Z for $14,000 two years ago with an extended warranty up to 75,000 miles. It had 26,000 when I bought it. You can find a good TA with an LS1 for that price range now. As a matter of fact I have a friend that is selling a '02 Ram Air for about $18,000. I know you said this might be out of your price range, but its a hell of a deal and has low mileage. PM me if you are interested in possibly working something out with him. It's fully loaded black on black leather plus he is here in Texas!!!! :) Good Luck with whatever you decide!!!!!

Not really a brand loyalty issue when they're both built by the same company. ;) Hell, I don't even have an LT1/LS1/LS2/LS6 etc... but I understand this is LS1tech.com and it's obvioiusly going to be biased towards LS1's. I wouldn't go to a Republican or Democrat convention and ask who to vote for... :devil:

ok, a good point you have there, hehe. I agree, the voting debate is going to be ugly this year, lol. :judge:

Anyways, when i drive a fast car, my favorite part is being thrown back againt my seat at takeoff (low end tq)

Buy a LS1 and throw it a set of 4.10's with drag radials. I can guarantee that you will be pushed back in your seat.

I had a 96 Z28 LT1 and trade it for a 99 Firehawk LS1, and never regret it! Only thing I miss is the sound of my LT1 with headers and catback.

Buy a LS1 and throw it a set of 4.10's. I can guarantee that you will be pushed back in your seat (if you can hook the tires).

I had a 96 Z28 LT1 and trade it for a 99 Firehawk LS1, and never regret it! Only thing I miss is the sound of my LT1 with headers and catback.

put a set of 4.10s on anything with power and it will throw you back in the seat. Lt1 or Ls1 and even those gts and cobras do it too, haha. I just couldn't resist.

put a set of 4.10s on anything with power and it will throw you back in the seat. Lt1 or Ls1 and even those gts and cobras do it too, haha. I just couldn't resist.

Yeah, but at least with an F-Body you're driving a real performance car and you don't look like an ass-clown in a Ford. >=) (Now this is brand loyalty. :jest: )

I love 'em both, however, if you are not interested in building a stroker or heavy modding, and if you plan on light bolt-ons, get the LS1. Yes you can build an LT1 cheaper, just depends on what you're looking to do. Keep this in mind

LT1 = 230-240 RWHP, very high 13's stock.
LS1 = 300 RWHP, low 13's stock.

Do the math.

Almost looks like you took A4 dyno numbers for the LT1 and M6 for the LS1 :punch: Might want to dig around a lil more ;)

Almost looks like you took A4 dyno numbers for the LT1 and M6 for the LS1 :punch: Might want to dig around a lil more ;)

My vote is to get the LS1. If you are anything like me (18 years old..moslty interested in status over substance since $$ and skills are lacking) then you won't be able to dump the money into the LT1 to make it faster than the LS1. I had an LT1 as my first car for about six months. I loved that car and it sounded wicked and much better than my LS1. I no longer own the LT1 because it was wrecked last year by a stupid women who doesn't know what stop signs me.

I got a lot of money for the car and since the first snow storm was next week, I decided to save my money untill spring and buy a car. I looked at LT1's again and realized that with my funds I could make the LT1 faster than the LS1, but racing is not everything. I wanted a newwer car, that looked newer (even though mine is a whole one year newer than the LT1..) the whole package of the car made the LS1 better. I still bought the car for me, hell I leave for school in five hours and I am not even taking it with me (don't want some drunk kid smashing into at the parking lot) and it is for me, no one else.

If you honeslty want the fastest car, get an LT1 or a 5.0. If you are happy with the speed of a bolt-on LS1, that gets MUCH better gas milage than a stroked H/C LT1 and looks new, get the LS1 because you can honeslty make anything fast now-adays. Oh and I love the styling of the LS1 T/A!

One final thing...we are turning into mustang guys always fighting with each other! Can't we all get along! No more LS1 vs. LT1 or LT1 vs L98! :(


-Todd

"One final thing...we are turning into mustang guys always fighting with each other! Can't we all get along! No more LS1 vs. LT1 or LT1 vs L98! "

Oh Christ, we were just compared to Ford guys... :eek2:

Lord 'a mercy ... ok, I've been an LS1 supporter on this thread, but now I have to 'fess up ... I was really disappointed in my LS1 w/2.73s compared to my old 94 LT1 w/3.23s. Had to change out to 3.42s on my LS1 to try to approximate the feel of my LT1, and I have to admit, it's still not quite as good around town. But that's driveability and low-end part-throttle torque. Pedal to the metal - LS1 is faster. But if you can save big bucks and buy an LT1, go for it. Just be prepared for the hassles.

Hey man, I just picked up a 00 WS6 with 60k miles, excellent shape, bought it froma 56 yr old lady, so it aint never been dogged :headbang: . I got this one because I think the 98-02 body looks better than the 93-97, And I didn't want to screw with that stupid Optispark system, I have had to work on The LT1's, and truthfully dont like the design at all. :barf: The Lt1's I think are really not any better than the a solid running L98. Also have heard so MANY horror stories about the LT1's. Besides the LS1 just rocks, good design, sweet power, major dif. over the LT1. Best advice I can give, please dont send whatever you buy into a pole or ditch, ricers tend to do that. SEE YA.

EDIT: Forgot to say, I picked up the WS6 for 16K, Blue book was like 18K, so there are deals out there.......

The Lt1's I think are really not any better than the a solid running L98.

Shhhh don't say that - it might start a flame war!

Really though, the L98 made more torque than the LT1 did, it was just hindered by only being available with an automatic transmission, a restricted intake manifold that didn't like to breath up top, and a tricky computer that actually takes some brains to tune.

Shhhh don't say that - it might start a flame war!

Really though, the L98 made more torque than the LT1 did, it was just hindered by only being available with an automatic transmission, a restricted intake manifold that didn't like to breath up top, and a tricky computer that actually takes some brains to tune.


I agree, I just sold a 89 TA TPI 350, good low end, up top wasn't impressive. Course all that really matters is what you want, everything can be made to go fast. And, I just finished reading all the posts, and in college, all the chicks I 've met are hot rodders and love riding in my car.
One more thing, the only design flaw I have found in the LS1 so far is, the PCV system, and that is easily fixed with AMW's catch can. Versus, LT1 and opti's crappin out. It sucks when your shit starts actin funny then quits, it always happens when I got a girl with me..... :bang: But, the LS1.....no problems........so far.


00 WS6 waiting for lid, smooth bellows to show up..........GMMG may be on its way to..........

Hey man, I just picked up a 00 WS6 with 60k miles, excellent shape, bought it froma 56 yr old lady, so it aint never been dogged :headbang: . I got this one because I think the 98-02 body looks better than the 93-97, And I didn't want to screw with that stupid Optispark system, I have had to work on The LT1's, and truthfully dont like the design at all. :barf: The Lt1's I think are really not any better than the a solid running L98. Also have heard so MANY horror stories about the LT1's. Besides the LS1 just rocks, good design, sweet power, major dif. over the LT1. Best advice I can give, please dont send whatever you buy into a pole or ditch, ricers tend to do that. SEE YA.

EDIT: Forgot to say, I picked up the WS6 for 16K, Blue book was like 18K, so there are deals out there.......


Damn, man, perfect find. But you never know, that old lady might be a speed demon at heart! :devil:

if you havent made up your mind yet, id suggest a ls1 powered trans am if you only plan to go with minor mods like bolts ons and some suspension stuff. if you are looking to do some major work id suggest a lt1 bc once you get real good heads and decent cam and the complementing tuning and suspension work done you will destroy bolt on ls1's and maybe even some that are heads/cam. this is all assuming the smog police arent real strict where ur at.

I agree, I just sold a 89 TA TPI 350, good low end, up top wasn't impressive. Course all that really matters is what you want, everything can be made to go fast. And, I just finished reading all the posts, and in college, all the chicks I 've met are hot rodders and love riding in my car.
One more thing, the only design flaw I have found in the LS1 so far is, the PCV system, and that is easily fixed with AMW's catch can. Versus, LT1 and opti's crappin out. It sucks when your shit starts actin funny then quits, it always happens when I got a girl with me..... :bang: But, the LS1.....no problems........so far.


00 WS6 waiting for lid, smooth bellows to show up..........GMMG may be on its way to..........

T-tops also help with the chicks :judge:

T-tops also help with the chicks :judge:
AMEN


Damn, man, perfect find. But you never know, that old lady might be a speed demon at heart!

If she did dog it, it would show. At 60K you can tell if its been dogged, stuff rattles more, the car overall isn't as "tight" as new. Another plus for the LS1 is, the OBDII system, much better codes which in turn helps pinpoint any problems. Good luck with your search, I say TA first, but camaros are just as cool too. Rock on :drive: .

How far were you planning on going with the mods?? I see everyone suggesting heads and cam and stuff, but what were your plans for the car??Daily driver through skool??Track car?? Just curious.

Buy a LS1 and throw it a set of 4.10's with drag radials. I can guarantee that you will be pushed back in your seat.

I had a 96 Z28 LT1 and trade it for a 99 Firehawk LS1, and never regret it! Only thing I miss is the sound of my LT1 with headers and catback.
I must agree here, my dads SS w/ 4.10's and full boltons minus a couple things has hella torque off the line and just keeps pulling.

How far were you planning on going with the mods?? I see everyone suggesting heads and cam and stuff, but what were your plans for the car??Daily driver through skool??Track car?? Just curious.


Well, it is going to be a daily driver. I want it to look good and hold it's own on the track. I really can't see any heads/cam (serious modificatios) in the near future, so it will be a bolt on car for the most part.

ls1

*I favor the ls1 styling over the lt1.
*Out of the box, the ls1 is faster.
*Interior is nicer (minus the 97')
*Easier to work on
-expensive

lt1

*cheaper! (more mooney for the goodies)
*that "feel good" low end torque (out of the box)
*That exhaust note!
-problems


Well, as of right now guys, I am leaning toward an ls1. Here is my situation:

I work at Target ( :nono: )
I am taking co-op (school half day/work half day)
I put EVERY check in the bank. I use my frickin lunch money for gas and barely spend a dime on myself.
My parents will match the amount that I save up when I am ready to purchase a vehicle. Recently, I have just won the war with the parentals about even buying a T/A. (Thank God) My parents wouldn't see eye to eye with me about buying an lt1 and spending the rest of the money on mods. "This money is for the CAR only"... So I want to try to get the nicest T/A I can with my money. By january I will finally have 5k in the bank. My mom says she will pull out a loan for 10k. So 15k for a nice T/A. (I will pay the rest of the money off when I get the car). So far it looks like an ls1 with mid-high miles will be my best option.


If you plan on going to the track and making a lot of 1/4 mile runs, than the LS1 is going to be better out of the box. But if you just plan on toying around on the street to 80mph, the LT1 is more than adequate. Not to mention, the LT1 sounds awesome. My LS1 sounds like a blender.

Redarrow has brought up a good point. Personally, I am not as concerned with raw track times. I enjoy "toying around" and will probably be doing more street racing. From a roll, ls1's are the shit because od their high-end, but I will be exceeding 120 m.p.h. as little as possible (can't afford a ticket (insurance) like that). So, that fun, around town rumbling will probably suit me better. Well...I guess I'll just have to wait and see what develops.

Well, if you're having trouble spending money now, then getting a car that you'll want to mod will hurt you even worse.

Wow, six pages and going...
Just get the LT1, and when you buy an LS1/2 in the future you'll appreciate more. Look at my sig for my evolution of car ownership. If I would have jumped into what I have now, I'd be dead.

Well, if you're having trouble spending money now, then getting a car that you'll want to mod will hurt you even worse.


Honestly guys, I would be completley happy with a basic bolt-on/rims/drop T/A running low 13's. And as long as I have the T/A, I'll be happy with it...even stock.

Honestly guys, I would be completley happy with a basic bolt-on/rims/drop T/A running low 13's. And as long as I have the T/A, I'll be happy with it...even stock.

A bolt-on Trans am (at least in my book) is in the mid 12's :burn:

(LT's, lid, !FRA/others, cat-back, gears, tires, suspension)

-Todd

LS1 is the way to go ;)

Id say go with an lt1 and save your money.

I bought my car for $7500 with just over 40k miles on it, now its bolt-on and cammed for much less than $10k total, including labor (i dont have the resources or time to do it myself). yes there are reliability issues with the lt1, opti.. ect... , but from what ive seen its a very reliable motor. i have a friend with a 95 caprice classic he bought from a police auction, it has 248,000 miles on it and still runs like a bastard. granted, it has iron heads, and cause it was a cop car it has a oil cooler, trans cooler, PS cooler, ect... but 248k miles is alot, and im told these engines in f-bods will run at least 150k miles without breaking a sweat, with very mininal problems. Of course this is ganna be an ls1 biased crowd, most of the people here own ls1's, so they already made the decision to buy an ls1 over an lt1. It is all around a better motor, and as ive said before, i wanted an ls1 but i didnt have the $, so i took the next best thing. I think for this situation go for the lt1. Just another opinion :)

I'll be happy with it...even stock.

:jest: I remember saying those words before. :D

:jest: I remember saying those words before. :D


i remember thinking those words while selling my '84 vette. "anything faster than this POS would be great, i wouldnt even need to mod an lt1" - that lasted all of 2 weeks. :)

well i think i got him set up... He came by the shop, i gave him a little bit of info, and what to look for problems wise for a ragged out ls1, or one in good shape... as well as why the ls1 is better then the lt1 and why he should save up.

I guess he was happy with the shop and what not! Glad we got ourselves a new ls1 fanatic on our hands! :D


Gray

The people speaking are LS1 owners with a few having owned an LT1 in teh past so the opinions are fairly biased, but somewhat accurate. LT1's arent the "dogs" a lot of people say they are. When the LS1 first came out in 97, I had a hard time finding one that would beat me in my 6 spd LT1 with CAI and Cutout. Every year they got faster adn faster and now they are obviusly faster out of the box, but not by 50 RWHP. My LT1 bone stock dynoed 272 RWHP and i had been beaten by many other bone stock LT1's at the time from roll ons and dead stops. Its the older motor and not as technilogically advanced as the LS1 for sure, but it still has TONS of potential and you can still get well over 400 rwhp with a heads cam setup on a LT1. Several members in the LT1 section have H/C setups with over 400 rwhp so please done let a board of LS1ers tell you the LT1 stinks without talking to the LT1ers as well. We will be the first to admit that the LS1 is a faster car from the factory, but LT1's still make incredible power and no, it doesnt take a lot of money to do it, infact most of the aftermarket parts for LT1's are CHEAPER!

The people speaking are LS1 owners with a few having owned an LT1 in teh past so the opinions are fairly biased, but somewhat accurate. LT1's arent the "dogs" a lot of people say they are. When the LS1 first came out in 97, I had a hard time finding one that would beat me in my 6 spd LT1 with CAI and Cutout. Every year they got faster adn faster and now they are obviusly faster out of the box, but not by 50 RWHP. My LT1 bone stock dynoed 272 RWHP and i had been beaten by many other bone stock LT1's at the time from roll ons and dead stops. Its the older motor and not as technilogically advanced as the LS1 for sure, but it still has TONS of potential and you can still get well over 400 rwhp with a heads cam setup on a LT1. Several members in the LT1 section have H/C setups with over 400 rwhp so please done let a board of LS1ers tell you the LT1 stinks without talking to the LT1ers as well. We will be the first to admit that the LS1 is a faster car from the factory, but LT1's still make incredible power and no, it doesnt take a lot of money to do it, infact most of the aftermarket parts for LT1's are CHEAPER!

Well said! :cheers:

Gangly posted 100% no BS!! most of these LS1ers have never even owned an LT1, rode in one, worked on one etc.. dont let these guys piss on ur back and tell u its rainin.. ive owned my LT1 for 5yrs and 130k miles now, ive only had one major problem since owning it.. the opti crapped out at 119k.. no biggie, fixed it myself as well as other small problems.

let me say that my girl and i go on roadtrips like mad every single weekend, i keep puttn on the miles and it couldnt run more reliable and stronger!! but i have to admit, i would love to own an Ls1, but i would NEVER trade my Lt1 for it..

i know this has been beatn dead, hate to keep kickn a dead animal but.. my Lt1 sounds like a sum-bitch :thumb:

I've had both. If you're going to leave it anywhere near stock, the LS1 is so much faster it's not a fair comparison.

But if you're going mod-crazy, it'll be cheaper to do an LT1. And LT1's sound so much better.

I've owned both also. It sounds like you haven't owned both though. :eyes:

The people speaking are LS1 owners with a few having owned an LT1 in teh past so the opinions are fairly biased, but somewhat accurate. LT1's arent the "dogs" a lot of people say they are. When the LS1 first came out in 97, I had a hard time finding one that would beat me in my 6 spd LT1 with CAI and Cutout. Every year they got faster adn faster and now they are obviusly faster out of the box, but not by 50 RWHP. My LT1 bone stock dynoed 272 RWHP and i had been beaten by many other bone stock LT1's at the time from roll ons and dead stops. Its the older motor and not as technilogically advanced as the LS1 for sure, but it still has TONS of potential and you can still get well over 400 rwhp with a heads cam setup on a LT1. Several members in the LT1 section have H/C setups with over 400 rwhp so please done let a board of LS1ers tell you the LT1 stinks without talking to the LT1ers as well. We will be the first to admit that the LS1 is a faster car from the factory, but LT1's still make incredible power and no, it doesnt take a lot of money to do it, infact most of the aftermarket parts for LT1's are CHEAPER!


Your LT1 dyned at 272 stock?! DAMN that is high. A 97-99 LS1 dynoed at about 300 in M6 form, which is easily about 50 more than my 94 which probably had about 240.

-Todd

My LT1 bone stock dynoed 272 RWHP

I call bs.

most of these LS1ers have never even owned an LT1, rode in one, worked on one etc..

I've never owned one, but I've driven 2 different ones several times. I've been in several others as well. That's where my opinion comes from.

I got a Lt1 anybody wanna ride???? sorry couldnt resist :jest:

I call bs.
:werd:

Anyway, with a price range up to 15k, and 98/99 T/As readily found in the 10-12k price range, it would be foolish to by the LT1 IMO.

I got a Lt1 anybody wanna ride???? sorry couldnt resist :jest:

Sure! I've never been in anything quicker than 12's.

I call bs.

I dont because Ive seen plenty of dynos posted on CZ28.com back in the day ranging from 250rwhp to 265rwhp..Ive also seen freak cars hit mid 13s bone stock with ~102mph. The old firehawks posted mid 13 times I believe.
1996 Dyno with a Cutout as only mod (http://www.classicgaming.com/vcoleco/96TA/dynoday/CAI_CUTOUT_STOCK_LT1.jpg)
Also... in 97 C5 dynos were in the 270 range occasionally and plenty of fbody LS1 cars dyno lower than 300... others dyno over 300. 300 might be what we accept as average on here..but it does not reflect the results of every single LS1 motor out there.

I dont because Ive seen plenty of dynos posted on CZ28.com back in the day ranging from 250rwhp to 265rwhp..Ive also seen freak cars hit mid 13s bone stock with ~102mph. The old firehawks posted mid 13 times I believe.
1996 Dyno with a Cutout as only mod (http://www.classicgaming.com/vcoleco/96TA/dynoday/CAI_CUTOUT_STOCK_LT1.jpg)
Also... in 97 C5 dynos were in the 270 range occasionally and plenty of fbody LS1 cars dyno lower than 300... others dyno over 300. 300 might be what we accept as average on here..but it does not reflect the results of every single LS1 motor out there.


Then you could say that most LT1's are not in the 260 range either, but I still think they rarer than the 270 horespower LS1's (M6 of course)

-Todd

I agree and thats not my point. The point is cars do exist outside of the "Over 300rwhp" LS1 fact that always gets thrown around. Just as LT1 cars exist that dont dyno over 250rwhp. What im trying to get acrossed is a lot of LS1 enthusiest seem to be blinded by the LS1 hype and have this extremely negative view about any other car thats not a LSX powered vehicle. Im trying to say open your eyes, a strong LT1 car could potentially beat a weaker LS1 car. Yet the general LS1 population thinks a stock LS1 car would rape any stock LT1 any day of the week.

Im trying to say open your eyes, a strong LT1 car could potentially beat a weaker LS1 car. Yet the general LS1 population thinks a stock LS1 car would rape any stock LT1 any day of the week.


:werd:

Does anyone notice the pattern in this thread? LS1 guys vote for the LS1's and LT1 guys vote for the LT1's. Am I the only LS1 owner voting for the LT1?

RWHP means nothing!! (to an extent)
268 rwhp equaled times in sig :drive:

Either way, I think you would be happy with one of them. Get an LT1 and put money into it with more bang for the buck, or get an LS1 and put some money into it with decent results. I will agree, parts for an LS1 are a joke, talk about supply and demand.....

I think with what you want to do, if you can find a great deal on it, an LS1 is the way to go. Mine dyno'd 315/335 with just a Direct Flow lid. I have no headers, no cutout and no internal mods and run very low 13's all day long. I got my 01 Formula a year ago with 11K on it.

SS Mark, what is your rear gearing?

:confused:

Ok... I'm gonna turn 18 in January. I am getting a T/A (See sig.)
*Money is a big factor. I want to have this thing as soon as possible (for my senior year)
I love the way T/A's look and, to be honest, that is probably the biggest seeling point of the vehicle for me. (Or at least 50%, cuz we all know what the other half is dedicated too! :burn: ) So, when it comes down to it, I guess i would be happy w/ either the LS1 or LT1. Both big V8's! :hail: Anyways, when i drive a fast car, my favorite part is being thrown back againt my seat at takeoff (low end tq) and i have heard the lt1 have a lot of power down low. But I am also very aware of their lower track times compared to an ls1 :( My top budget range is probably around 15k (pushing it). So, i need lots of input from you guys.

LS1 or LT1

Ps: I know that lots of you guys are somewhat biased toward your awesome LS1's (this being LS1 tech and all...), so please keep an open mind and consider my parameters. I have researched this, but would appreciate one on one input. Thanks in advance.

I have always raced sbc's. The Lt1 was an improvement over the eariler small blocks ,even though thet block is almost the same in the eariler Lt1. The Ls1 has two things going for it. The engine is aluminum, and the configuretion is different, but better. With the $15000.00 you will be able to get a good LS1 car.

I call bs.

i wouldnt call bs on gangly, he knows his shit.

Here's my bone stock 93' Formula dyno...Not far off from Gangly's 272. So :bs: i think not.


http://img27.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img27&image=Picture710.jpg

how about this...


LT1's and LS1's both suck, get a FORD :D




this is a tired and very old argument guys... going to be biased opinions and what not..

let irrr die, and have a good day everyone

Here's my bone stock 93' Formula dyno...Not far off from Gangly's 272. So :bs: i think not.


http://img27.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img27&image=Picture710.jpg

I wish my LT1 was that fast :(


LT1's and LS1's both suck, get a FORD :D


Stop spreading your liberal lies :engarde: ;)

-Todd

I never figured the LT1 cars were putting rear-wheel numbers close to their flywheel ratings.

Another thing - If these LT1 cars are putting these numbers down, where is their trap speed? 12.79 @ 105? It must be geared and have a drag setup with that low of a mph. I trapped 106 bone stock - yet I ran 13.5. We all know a LS1 traps high, but I don't think we can blame that on where the LS1 makes power when there are LT1's making a little less than a stock LS1 makes at the wheel, yet it's a lot quicker. It just doesn't make sense.

A lot of the time difference I think comes from a few things
1) LS1 cars are sooo much easier to launch IMHO.. The trq hits at a perfect point and pulls you after you have left the line. The LT1 from my experiences blows the damn tires up right at the line.
2) LS1 cars do have a HP advantage, plus a lil higher redline... enough to make a 4 or 5mph gap possible. M6 LT1 cars have trapped 101~102mph bone stock. LS1 Auto cars have trapped 103 mph (my friends car is a 98 and traps 100mph)
3) I was trapping 103mph with simple bolt ons, stock cam, stock manifolds, and a 2200 stall. I wasn't anywhere near the 12s though. Different setups will net different results. Look at the mustang guys..some trap high mph for a high 12...others trap less than a stock ls1 and run mid to low 12s.

Obviously LS1 cars have a larger spread in stock rwhp numbers... LT1s tend to stay within a certain range. At the highest end an LT1 will put down ALMOST as much power as the Lowest end LS1 car. Thats all there is to it.

I found my buddies LT1's easier to launch than I did my LS1 cars. Maybe it was the fact that I was used to launching my Mustang. I'm comparing it to the track, not the street.

this is a tired and very old argument guys... going to be biased opinions and what not..

let irrr die, and have a good day everyone

:werd: if i had the power here i'd lock it already :secret2:

how about this...
..get a FORD :D


:barf:

how about this...


LT1's and LS1's both suck, get a FORD :D



Nah...he said he wanted something fast.

They are both great cars and can both go fast. I like them both. I think the LT1s look more aggressive, though... Can you say "Catfish"...? :)

I never figured the LT1 cars were putting rear-wheel numbers close to their flywheel ratings.

Another thing - If these LT1 cars are putting these numbers down, where is their trap speed? 12.79 @ 105? It must be geared and have a drag setup with that low of a mph. I trapped 106 bone stock - yet I ran 13.5. We all know a LS1 traps high, but I don't think we can blame that on where the LS1 makes power when there are LT1's making a little less than a stock LS1 makes at the wheel, yet it's a lot quicker. It just doesn't make sense.
Nope, right off the street. 3.73's, 2800 stall and some BFG's. A 1.78 60' helped too. 105.6 is damn good for a LT1 w/ no headers, full weight and only 268 rwhp, at least from what Ive seen
-Mark

Nah...he said he wanted something fast.

:werd:

Nope, right off the street. 3.73's, 2800 stall and some BFG's. A 1.78 60' helped too. 105.6 is damn good for a LT1 w/ no headers, full weight and only 268 rwhp, at least from what Ive seen
-Mark

There, you answered it. The stall, gears, and tires. You just went with a good setup. You've also got a 93 which, IMO, runs better bolt on vs bolt on to a 94-97 car.

But if a buy wants to have a car that's going to win street races, especially from a roll, the LS1 is where to go.

good lord you guys are still fucking bitching.

I believe there, discussing...

good lord you guys are still fucking bitching.

bitching? Where? Simply because I agreed that he had a good setup to run a quick time? I was simply reiterating that it's not going to trap as high as a LS1. Jeez, soooooorrrryyyy, I bow to your holyness of stfu :hail: :rolleyes:

how about this...


LT1's and LS1's both suck, get a FORD :D



Hey, could we keep the four letter words to a minimum please......... :jest: j/k

good lord you guys are still fucking bitching.


well this is a "forum" for discussion.. the only one "bitching" around here is u :cry:

Sure! I've never been in anything quicker than 12's.

or 11's... or 10's..... or nines LOL

Good lord the LT1 guys are at it again. I have heard of LT1's dynoing as high as 265 rwhp (yes I too call bs on 272 or whatever was claimed). But I have also heard of LS1's dynoing as high as 315 rwhp. That's a difference of 50 rwhp. I have heard of LT1's dynoing as low as 235 rwhp. I have also heard of LS1's dynoing as low as 275 rwhp. That's still a difference of 40 rwhp. Then there is the other 90% of us who will dyno closer to 290 rwhp in a LS1 and 250 rwhp in a LT1. Average difference in similair tranny cars is still around 40 rwhp.

LS1 is newer, faster and easier to work on. Prices are starting to come down on LS1 aftermarket parts and the cars themselves for that matter. So the "bang for the buck" argument is going to weaken as time goes on. I'm not saying the LT1 is a bad engine. It's a great car for younger people on limited budgets or track gurus that want to build a 9 second beast. But the LS1 is an great motor and one step above the LT1 just as the LS6 is a step above the LS1.

98 LS1 TA can be had for 10K and would definately be the way to go especially for a bolt-on only car. You can have a low 12 second LS1 trapping around 110 with just bolt-ons and drag radials. LS1 would be my vote :D

You can have a low 12 second LS1 trapping around 110 with just bolt-ons and drag radials. LS1 would be my vote :D

I was trapping 110-111 consistently with my 01 Z with a lid, free mods, y-pipe, loudmouth, and predator. I think that's pretty good for the mods. If I could do it, I'm sure others can too.

i agree with "darren" that the "LS1 is newer, faster and easier to work on", also that the LT1 "It's a great car for younger people on limited budgets or track gurus that want to build a 9 second beast".. i just vouch for the LT1 motor becuase of its fine points, not its RWHP.. agreed its not as fast as the LS1, but its a very good and strong motor.. granted its crammed engine compartment and "pain in the ass" ignition system.

ps. i personally think that we LT1 & LS1ers have completely "hijacked" the poor kids thread :( im sure he's been already searching for insurance on his LS1 he purchased since pg3

i agree with "darren" that the "LS1 is newer, faster and easier to work on", also that the LT1 "It's a great car for younger people on limited budgets or track gurus that want to build a 9 second beast".. i just vouch for the LT1 motor becuase of its fine points, not its RWHP.. agreed its not as fast as the LS1, but its a very good and strong motor.. granted its crammed engine compartment and "pain in the ass" ignition system.

ps. i personally think that we LT1 & LS1ers have completely "hijacked" the poor kids thread :( im sure he's been already searching for insurance on his LS1 he purchased since pg3
I have an LS1, and I have looked at buying a few LT1s since buying my LS1. Don't get me wrong, I would still keep the LS1. But the LT1 is an excellent engine. It has plenty of low-end grunt, which is what I like in an engine. On the other hand, I am having much more fun with the LS1 because of the new software out that lets you change the tune. It makes it possible to have fun tuning without even getting your hands dirty. Both are good choices.

My little brother's LT1 is freaking sick, I love that car, it sounds great, runs great and looks great. Since he got full bolt-ons he's able to beat me by .015 now. He definitely has a LOT less invested than I do overall though.

LT1s sound like a real muscle car, that's one thing I love about them.

Long and short, if you can afford an LS1, do it, you won't regret it. You aren't exactly going to be slighting yourself with an LT1 either. People lose perspective, at least you're buying a Trans Am...not an Eclipse or something actually lame. :)

I'll be buying an LS2 when they get affordable, just because it's the next evolution.

last 2 posts..

:werd:

My buddy has/well had a 96 vette LT1.When we were both bone stock autos,i absolutly killed that car on the track and also from 55 to 150mph.He couldn't go much faster,plus it's not safe to go 180 in hawaii,i would love to though,he ended up buying a c5..I like the c5 LS1 as it's Fly-by-wire and no cables..and no EGR tube sticking in the top of the intake.
The LS1 has more low end and top end power.The LT1 is a good motor,i love the LS1 though.And one thing about the LT1,i hate the opti-spark.

The LT4 is a great motor.

i agree with "darren" that the "LS1 is newer, faster and easier to work on", also that the LT1 "It's a great car for younger people on limited budgets or track gurus that want to build a 9 second beast".. i just vouch for the LT1 motor becuase of its fine points, not its RWHP.. agreed its not as fast as the LS1, but its a very good and strong motor.. granted its crammed engine compartment and "pain in the ass" ignition system.

ps. i personally think that we LT1 & LS1ers have completely "hijacked" the poor kids thread :( im sure he's been already searching for insurance on his LS1 he purchased since pg3

Dude, I wish... Gotta save up that 5k. So buy Dec./Jan. I'll be in that position. I'm basically throwing away any free time of my senior year to work and save up, but I know it will be worth it...when I get to have that POWER for myself! :burn:

I'm basically throwing away any free time of my senior year to work and save up, but I know it will be worth it...when I get to have that POWER for myself! :burn:
For real...I'm working 40hrs/wk during school to get some mod money. Gotta feed the addiction.

For real...I'm working 40hrs/wk during school to get some mod money. Gotta feed the addiction.

I raised 4000 dollars from the december of last year to april of this year as a senior in high school to buy the LS1 (the rest came from the insurence money I got from the LT1 :( )

-Todd

And just think of all the hours that should've been spent studying! :rotflmao:

And just think of all the hours that should've been spent studying! :rotflmao:

Studying??! As a senior in high schoool...I think we all know how unrealistic that is
:jest:

-Todd

buy an lt1, no joke, i driven both and owned both, my 96' ss has beaten many ls1's, and even a few modded ls1's.think about it, my stock ss spanks ls1's all day long, granted i have love for the ls1, but dollar for dollar and for that adrenaline rush you get when you stomp down on some REAL torque, you most definatly wont be dissapointed.

Buy an 03 Cobra!!! I'm tired of hearing LS1 is better than LT1. I have an LT1 Camaro SS and I like it because I'm the underdog and it looks mean a hell. Nice LT1's are few and far between but the LS1's are like ants, everywhere I look I see one. I must admit that the LS1 is a great motor and is a little easier to work on. I like both and cannot choose sides so that's why my vote is for an 03 cobra. That is all I have to say.

buy an lt1, no joke, i driven both and owned both, my 96' ss has beaten many ls1's, and even a few modded ls1's.think about it, my stock ss spanks ls1's all day long, granted i have love for the ls1, but dollar for dollar and for that adrenaline rush you get when you stomp down on some REAL torque, you most definatly wont be dissapointed.

I don't think you do - at least you shouldn't be.

Buy an 03 Cobra!!! I'm tired of hearing LS1 is better than LT1. I have an LT1 Camaro SS and I like it because I'm the underdog and it looks mean a hell. Nice LT1's are few and far between but the LS1's are like ants, everywhere I look I see one. I must admit that the LS1 is a great motor and is a little easier to work on. I like both and cannot choose sides so that's why my vote is for an 03 cobra. That is all I have to say.

03/04's are all over too.

Here is my take -

I love my LT1, but would have bought an LS1 if i had the cash. At the time i bought a 38k miles 95Z28 M6. It ran OK, 13.9 @ 100mp w/2.19 60' (CAi/catback/free mods).

I then added shorty headers, MAF, 3.73's and ran 13.3 @ 105.8mph w/ 2.14 60'. That was on street tires riding the clutch out. I dynoed 301rwhp/338rwtq with that combo.

I then did heads/cam/LT's and I made 383rwhp/353rwtq with mailorder tune. Potential for 390rwhp was definitely there with a dyno tune (not bad for $450 port job on the heads and a medium size cam).

I was recently looking for an LS1 and found a 2000 SS M6 with 24k miles for 16,500 and it was mint! Unfortunatley I had too much invested in this LT1 (~18k including price of car) and it would spank any stockish LS1, so i decided to keep her. I could see myself being slow again. I am currently building a blown 383LT1. looking for ~650rwhp with 14-15psi.

It all comes down to how much you can spend. To me, if your parents wont let you spend money on mods, then get the most expensive/fastest ride out of the box. The point is, get what you want...not what everyone esle wants. I regret not getting a blk/blk ram air T/A...but when i fire up the Z and listen to the rumble...I dont regret it too much :)

good luck and either one is a great choice. PS, LT1's arent that hard to work on if you know what your doing.

Here is my take -

I love my LT1, but would have bought an LS1 if i had the cash. At the time i bought a 38k miles 95Z28 M6. It ran OK, 13.9 @ 100mp w/2.19 60' (CAi/catback/free mods).

I then added shorty headers, MAF, 3.73's and ran 13.3 @ 105.8mph w/ 2.14 60'. That was on street tires riding the clutch out. I dynoed 301rwhp/338rwtq with that combo.

I then did heads/cam/LT's and I made 383rwhp/353rwtq with mailorder tune. Potential for 390rwhp was definitely there with a dyno tune (not bad for $450 port job on the heads and a medium size cam).

I was recently looking for an LS1 and found a 2000 SS M6 with 24k miles for 16,500 and it was mint! Unfortunatley I had too much invested in this LT1 (~18k including price of car) and it would spank any stockish LS1, so i decided to keep her. I could see myself being slow again. I am currently building a blown 383LT1. looking for ~650rwhp with 14-15psi.

It all comes down to how much you can spend. To me, if your parents wont let you spend money on mods, then get the most expensive/fastest ride out of the box. The point is, get what you want...not what everyone esle wants. I regret not getting a blk/blk ram air T/A...but when i fire up the Z and listen to the rumble...I dont regret it too much :)

good luck and either one is a great choice. PS, LT1's arent that hard to work on if you know what your doing.


Bingo. You hit the nail on the head. I am just PRAYING that I can find a (stock) black/red m6 T/A for 15k (with fair mileage) around Houston when the time comes. I really don't want to get stuck with a car and be unhappy with it... I just keep wanting more and more... Now I am sorta worried about getting a ws6... heh, of well, I just hope I find the perfect car come jan.

Just for everyones info, there is a 2002 WS6 M6 for sale on EBAY with a 17,900 but it now, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489517643&category=6420 , Wish i had come across this deal.......

Just for everyones info, there is a 2002 WS6 M6 for sale on EBAY with a 17,900 but it now, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489517643&category=6420 , Wish i had come across this deal.......

:drool:

buy an lt1, no joke, i driven both and owned both, my 96' ss has beaten many ls1's, and even a few modded ls1's.think about it, my stock ss spanks ls1's all day long, granted i have love for the ls1, but dollar for dollar and for that adrenaline rush you get when you stomp down on some REAL torque, you most definatly wont be dissapointed.

agreed.. the only LS1 ive driven was when i test drove a newer WS6 on a used ford lot (odd i know).. it did NOT have the same torque monster feel my LT1 has (granted the WS6 was stock and my LT1er is slightly modded).. i musta been outta my mind even thinkin of tradin in my old bird :eek2: but those WS6's sure r pretty

agreed.. the only LS1 ive driven was when i test drove a newer WS6 on a used ford lot (odd i know).. it did NOT have the same torque monster feel my LT1 has (granted the WS6 was stock and my LT1er is slightly modded).. i musta been outta my mind even thinkin of tradin in my old bird :eek2: but those WS6's sure r pretty

That's the thing - the feel is different. That's it. It just feels quicker.

That's the thing - the feel is different. That's it. It just feels quicker.

No doubt. The LS1 is flat out faster and pulls smoother. LT1 feels more powerful, but its not.

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

LT1's are NOT slow. It's posts like this that give LS1 owners a bad name. If your gonna stay stock or bolt-ons then it's no surprise that LS1 wins hands down. But anyone who has the desire and cash can get a LT1 into single digits. Try telling Taner how slow his LT1 is. He only managed a 9.58 @ 141 with his M6 LT1.

BTW the myth of LT1's having more torque down low is just that. A myth. Look at the dyno sheets on a stock LS1 and stock LT1 and compare the numbers. If you lined up two totally stock cars at a drag strip and both pull off say a 2.0 60' time then your gonna see the LS1 start to pull slightly on the LT1 right out of the gate. It just won't get ugly until 80mph or so when the LS1 would walk away. But start modding and all bets are off.

LT1's sound better, have great potential and are proven to be very reliable (other then the opticrap). My friends 95 Z28 is still running strong at 155K. Don't sell them short by any means.

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

Wow you sound like an experienced one :eyes: . Want to line up your seat pounding really feel it adrenaline pumping torque monster :eyes: against my slow LT1 :devil: ?

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

:lol:

Go home, :newbie:

Give me 15k and I'll have an LT1 deep into 10s.

Wow you sound like an experienced one :eyes: . Want to line up your seat pounding really feel it adrenaline pumping torque monster :eyes: against my slow LT1 :devil: ?

sure :devil:
:drive:

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

hehe, for 15k, you can have a 500+rwhp lt1. I just couldn't resist. :offtopic:

:lol:

Go home, :newbie:

Give me 15k and I'll have an LT1 deep into 10s.
:eyes: and with 15k i can have a pinto run the same thing, who cares???

I think we all know he is sold on a LS1...

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

You are certainly NOT the typical classy LS1 owner I am used to seeing on this site. 99% show us the respect we deserve (thanks darensls1formula :) ). LT1s are great engines and I love both of mine.

sure :devil:
:drive:

Kewl, then put your money where your mouth is, $500.00 bucks and we'll do it at a 1/4 mi. track.

You are certainly NOT the typical classy LS1 owner I am used to seeing on this site. 99% show us the respect we deserve (thanks darensls1formula :) ). LT1s are great engines and I love both of mine.

Im not classy b/c i think stock lt1s are slow??? :confused:
The fact of the matter is LS1 are better engines. If LT1s were better engines GM would of stayed with them.

Jesus, Lt1 guys stop freaking out. :eek2:

Im not classy b/c i think stock lt1s are slow??? :confused:
The fact of the matter is LS1 are better engines. If LT1s were better engines GM would of stayed with them.

Jesus, Lt1 guys stop freaking out. :eek2:

Well, in your original statement you said LT1's are slow (you didnt say anything about stock lt1's). Then you proceed to say that the poster could buy a 400rwhp LS1 (assuming yours) for 15k. Well, he could have a 400rwhp LT1 for 10k. The point was you downed LT1's in general and didnt mentioned anything about "stock" LT1's until you got called out.

Drive both and buy what you can afford.

Im not classy b/c i think stock lt1s are slow??? :confused:
The fact of the matter is LS1 are better engines. If LT1s were better engines GM would of stayed with them.

Jesus, Lt1 guys stop freaking out. :eek2:

The fact is everyone knows the LS design was an improvement, that's nothing new, welcome to yesterday :jest: . It's your junior high :eyes: lack of technical car knowledge post about slow LT cars that should have never been made :buttkick:

The fact is everyone knows the LS design was an improvement, that's nothing new, welcome to yesterday :jest: . It's your junior high :eyes: lack of technical car knowledge post about slow LT cars that should have never been made :buttkick:
:eyes:
LT1s > LS1s

Anything i say will make things worse so can this die now....

IM tired of :engarde:

:eyes:
LT1s > LS1s

Anything i say will make things worse so can this die now....

IM tired of :engarde:

You're a fucking idiot.

You're a fucking idiot.
:offtopic:

:takethat:

i have a question thats off topic sorry guys but for WS6kid....how do you havea borla Off Road Y pipe but you do have cats...jsut gutted?

i have a question thats off topic sorry guys but for WS6kid....how do you havea borla Off Road Y pipe but you do have cats...jsut gutted?
The Borla ORY is made for stock manifolds... Yes cats are gutted . I now have Hooker LTs and a Hooker ORY waiting to be put on along with some other stuff.

Lt1s are slow...




:stupid:

ls1's actuallty have more torque than an lt1. you can just feel it more down low in an lt1 because of the torque curve. trust me, ls1's are the way to go. i have a few friends with lt1's and neither of them can touch me with their cars. and they've got a decent amount of money in them. remember, in an lt1,you are giving up somewhere around 50rwhp to the ls1.and yea, they definitly look a hell of a lot better than an lt1-particulary the trans ams. i got my 99 two years ago for 15K, with 18K miles on it, which is a pretty good deal. so just keep your eye open and you will get a good deal on one. good luck

No slam intended, but I think LS1 T/A's look like ass unless they're Ram Airs, and even then I'd take an LT1 front clip over that. The Carp, uh, Camaro is even worse IMO. My dream car would be an LS1 with an LT1 front clip. It takes all kinds though, and I know I'm a freak. It's the #1 reason I chose my '97 T/A over a LS1 T/A.

LT1's can rock, no doubt. So can almost any engine with enough $$. But, LT1's are dead unless someone wants to step up and start churning out blocks for them. Parts are expensive, and resources are limited. The fact that many hi-po engine builders don't even advertise LT1 engines is a dead give away. The engineering, current and future performance parts potential, and EASE of working on them make the LS1 the better choice. Toss in the 50-75 extra HP over an LT1 and, well, there you go.

Yep, love my LT1 and suffering LS1 envy. The pills are helping, though.

everyone keeps saying ls1's are expensive, i got my 98 z for 6600, silver, t-tops. it has 100k on it but if u look hard enough u can get one. i also don't think 100k is alot though. personally i like the ls1 better, but depending on your needs either motor can work.

i also don't think 100k is alot though.

:eek2:
thats 100k miles that someone/multiple someones coulda thought they owned a 70 charger and done browdys in it (dukes of hazzard style) till they yellowed the seats stiff!!

i got mine with extremely low miles with one owner, i payed more than 6600 for it several yrs ago :) mint condition

everyone keeps saying ls1's are expensive, i got my 98 z for 6600, silver, t-tops. it has 100k on it but if u look hard enough u can get one. i also don't think 100k is alot though. personally i like the ls1 better, but depending on your needs either motor can work.

where the hell did you buy your car from?

There are none that cheapa round here. Unless they've got salvage titles.

Lt1s are slow...

Shit for 15k you can pick up a cammed ls1 with bolt ons pushing 400 rwhp!!
Look in the vehicle classified section.... ;)

and trust me you can feel the torque in the passenger seat with a ls1...
for some reason you cant really feel it in the driver seat???? :confused:
must be the adrenaline... :judge:

car-$7500
catback-$360
headers & y-pipe-$650
LT4 hotcam kit-$520
CAI-$170

$9200 just got me a 40k mile, mint condition everyday driver that sounds AMAZING and is plenty fast enough. where the hell do you get off saying LT1's are slow? have you ever been in one? hell, have you ever even driven one? ive driven a handfull of ls1 cars now, f and y-bodies, great engine, wouldnt trade mine for one though. lt1's are slow'er, not slow. Sorry guys but i had to put in my 2 cents to this a$&hole.

Yep, love my LT1 and suffering LS1 envy. The pills are helping, though.

:jest: That's the best reply yet!

BTW the myth of LT1's having more torque down low is just that. A myth. Look at the dyno sheets on a stock LS1 and stock LT1 and compare the numbers. If you lined up two totally stock cars at a drag strip and both pull off say a 2.0 60' time then your gonna see the LS1 start to pull slightly on the LT1 right out of the gate. It just won't get ugly until 80mph or so when the LS1 would walk away. But start modding and all bets are off.

It's at part-throttle where the LT1 feels more torquey ... that's the appeal of that engine, especially around town. It's an SOTP thing. I've owned both and loved the feel of the LT1 in traffic and so on. Pedal to the metal, and it's all LS1.

:jest: That's the best reply yet!

sorry, i dont suffer from any LS1 envy.. maybe a lil' LS6 envy though :emb:

sorry, i dont suffer from any LS1 envy.. maybe a lil' LS6 envy though :emb:

Me too. I think everyone suffers from LS6 envy :)

Me too. I think everyone suffers from LS6 envy :)


I simply suffer from "large-member" envy... jeez, I didn't just admit that :secret2:

I simply suffer from "large-member" envy... jeez, I didn't just admit that :secret2:

:jest: :jest:

well i live in michigan and i got it from a 40 year old woman who was the orignial owner.she lived about 40 miles north of me and all my friends say i live in BFE. i bet u she never even turned off the ASR. lol oh and its a clear title. i ran 13.5 in quarter a week after i got it stock

well i live in michigan and i got it from a 40 year old woman who was the orignial owner.she lived about 40 miles north of me and all my friends say i live in BFE. so she had a 90 mile one way trip to work each day. i bet u she never even turned off the ASR. lol oh and its a clear title. i ran 13.6 in quarter a week after i got it stock, it had 105k miles and it was about 80 outside.

stock or did you have some mods on it?

stock or did you have some mods on it?

"i ran 13.6 in quarter a week after i got it stock,"
I think he meant it ran 13.6 still being stock.

If I were in your shoes I would go with an LS1 over an LT1. Wait a minute, I was in your shoes just last year. :D You won't be dissapointed with an LS1. It may be more expensive but you seem capable of paying off the price. As far as sound is concerned, true duals sound great on LS1's, and so does a cut out (I have a cut out). Not to mention, I haven't heard a cammed LT1 lope quite like an LS1 (due to lift?). I'll be doing dual cutouts soon,got another one and just have to stick it on.

I don't understand why anyone mentioned having the car while in college being better than having it in high school ( I don't have mine on campus yet :(). Every day I was getting stared at when leaving school. Personally, I didn't like the looks all that much because its not too important to me when they are coming from people who aren't actually car enthusiasts. You'll get looks wherever you go especially if you get a WS6. Most importantly, take your time and get what you want. I got blessed with good fortune and found EXACTLY what I was looking for. Good luck, dude.

Well, it looks like this thread is dwindling to its expiration date. Thanks for all of you help, suggestions and input, guys. It really helped me alot. I am pretty sure I am going to go with an ls1 mainly because of the looks and the out-of-the-box performance. (ie. I can't spend 10k on a car and 5k in mods :( ) Yup, Now I'm just praying for the right T/A to show up, come january. wish i could see the % of ls1 t/a's that were manual....and black...etc(So I can see my chances of getting a manual) All I could find were the 2002 production numbers. Well, thanks again and any more imput is definatley welcome and considered.

Ls1. Ls1. Ls1.

wish i could see the % of ls1 t/a's that were manual....and black...etc(So I can see my chances of getting a manual) All I could find were the 2002 production numbers. Well, thanks again and any more imput is definatley welcome and considered.
Here are the 1998 numbers http://www.1le.net/docs/1998_camaro_production_numbers.html

Here are the 1999 numbers http://www.dpatx.com/z28/z28-production.html

Here are the 2000 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282000production.html

Here are the 2001 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282001production.html

Here are the 2002 numbers http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/02buildnumbers/index.shtml

Here are the 1998 numbers http://www.1le.net/docs/1998_camaro_production_numbers.html

Here are the 1999 numbers http://www.dpatx.com/z28/z28-production.html

Here are the 2000 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282000production.html

Here are the 2001 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282001production.html

Here are the 2002 numbers http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/02buildnumbers/index.shtml


I think he is looking for a Trans Am...Anyone know where I can find info on T/A production numbers?

Here are the 1998 numbers http://www.1le.net/docs/1998_camaro_production_numbers.html

Here are the 1999 numbers http://www.dpatx.com/z28/z28-production.html

Here are the 2000 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282000production.html

Here are the 2001 numbers http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282001production.html

Here are the 2002 numbers http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/02buildnumbers/index.shtml

Yeah, those Camaro production #'s were pretty easy to find... I just can't find detailed T/A #'s :mad:

No doubt. The LS1 is flat out faster and pulls smoother. LT1 feels more powerful, but its not.

i know its a little odd to reply to this after its two pages old but it brings up an interesting point, back in 2002 me n my buddy(and the saleslady) test drove a 02 z/28. now my impression of the way the ls1 reved up so fast and pulled smooth gave me the impression that it was faster than my 97ws6 as far as seat of the pants, but my buddy said it didnt feel any stronger than my ws6 and that in fact my car felt stronger. i wonder why this is? as someone stated b4 the lt1's torque advantage is just a myth so what causes someone to say lt1's feel faster and actually believe it? anyone got an idea?

lower peak torque is my guess?

If I were in your shoes I would go with an LS1 over an LT1. Wait a minute, I was in your shoes just last year. :D You won't be dissapointed with an LS1. .


i was in ur shoes also, whattya know :eek2: i test drove both an LT1 and LS1.. i went with the LT1 and wasnt dissapointed..

infact, im so impressed with my LT1 im lookin to buy an LT4 vette next.. :D

After years of owning my 93z and how much money i needed to drop into it to keep up with a stock ls1 yet alone how much more money i dropped into it to beat one i would recommed tthe ls1. buy a 98 with low miles for under 10 and mod the last 5k. also when you buy an old lt1 you take the risk of buying someone elses problems. just my $.02

After years of owning my 93z and how much money i needed to drop into it to keep up with a stock ls1 yet alone how much more money i dropped into it to beat one i would recommed tthe ls1. buy a 98 with low miles for under 10 and mod the last 5k. also when you buy an old lt1 you take the risk of buying someone elses problems. just my $.02

Sorry, that logic doesn't work... If you buy a used Ls1 you risk buying someones problems, as well. Whatever used car you buy, you have to check out pretty well. Lately, I've been seeing some really nice Lt1s for $6K. Nice Ls1s, regardless of year, are going for twice that. Yes, you can find a '98 for $10k, but unless you're lucky it's going to be rough.

Give me almost any Lt1 and $6K extra and I can make it run way better than an Ls1 for $12K.

The other trick is financing. The newer the car, the more conventional the financing. That means less money for interest (depending on your credit). Then again, you might be able to pick up an Lt1 for cash...

Regardless, if I was starting from scratch, I'd probably look for the best deal I could find on an Ls1. It'll cost more, but you can use all the new toys that folks are developing for the engine. Third party Lt1 development continues, but at a much lower level than Ls1 development.

[QUOTE=TonyJ]Sorry, that logic doesn't work... If you buy a used Ls1 you risk buying someones problems, as well.
What I should have said is that when you buy ANY car used you risk buying someone elses problems. Sorry about that mix up tony

Hey no problem. Sometimes I have to edit my posts three times before I've said what I mean... lol