lastSS

Are there any? I need to stay smog legal as I drive the car. I would like to put on headers and a cam. What are my options with the cam.

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Joe "Preachers Sheets" DIESO

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Legal in Cali = Stock! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

I heard you can't even pass the visual test if you have long tubes! You guys have it rough over there.

RTCamaroSS

Most anything with a 114 LSA will pass smog, and a lot of 112 LSA cams will pass smog with decent tuning. I passed smog with the GM hot cam... but i have no chance in hell of passing with my current ASA hot cam... but im not too worried about it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

RB185AFM

I have the thunder racing 220/220 114 cam. I did alot of research on what cams would pass in CA. This was the best cam I found that will pass for sure. Any more aggressive and you are taking chances.With a 112 LSA it will be very hard to ignore the lope of the cam. As far as longtubes in CA just find a shop that has no clue about camaros. The last time I took a vehicale for a smog in the valley the guy never even looked under the car. If you do a cam and longtubes make sure you get tuned as the cats will be alot farther back on the longtubes and will take longer to start working properly. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

<small>[ March 31, 2003, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: RB185AFM ]</small>

lastSS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RB185AFM:
<strong> I have the thunder racing 220/220 114 cam. I did alot of research on what cams would pass in CA. This was the best cam I found that will pass for sure. Any more aggressive and you are taking chances.With a 112 LSA it will be very hard to ignore the lope of the cam. As far as longtubes in CA just find a shop that has no clue about camaros. The last time I took a vehicale for a smog in the valley the guy never even looked under the car. If you do a cam and longtubes make sure you get tuned as the cats will be alot farther back on the longtubes and will take longer to start working properly. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just two questions, with that cam can I hear a differnce in the car and what kind of power will I get. And, will MAC headers with high flow cats keep me legal?
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modsdone

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I'm going to run a Comp 216/220, but more importantly a 114 so it will be stealthy, harder to "hear" vs a 112.

Anytime you move the cats, you'll fail the visual in California.

blackssrider00

hey RTCamaroSS

I just got a thunderracing 224-224 with a 112 lope and i have long tubes there is no way i am going to pass you know anyone that can go to in the bayarea email me at Blackssrider00@aol.com

thanks <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

RB185AFM

Quote:Just two questions, with that cam can I hear a differnce in the car and what kind of power will I get. And, will MAC headers with high flow cats keep me legal?

On a M6 you will hear a difference. It is not extreme but it is there. In a A4 I am not sure as you may have to bump the idle up. You should make an additional 30 horse with the cam. I have not dynoed my car yet, but I plan on it soon. I am going to dyno it before and after I put in my headers. But at the track I went from a 108 mph trap to 111.8. As far as the Mac Headers no they are not legal. Any repositioning of the stock cats is not legal. The way I look at it is I have 4.5 years before I need to smog my car anyway. If I cant find a shop to pass the visual I will just put on my manifolds for a week. But if you do headers make sure you run cats. I have been pulled over and checked before by CHP. All they are looking for is if there are cats or not. In other words go with the LT's and carsound cats with the 220/220 114 cam. On stock heads most guys are putting around 380 at the wheels. IMHO that HP level is well worth two days of sweet under the car as a worst case senario. <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

<small>[ April 01, 2003, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: RB185AFM ]</small>

highgear

I keep my car registered in LV. It is cheaper than Calif.
Also, my last Smog Test consisted of the "Computer" OBDII test. They just plugged in under the dash and read the computer. Never looked under the hood. Cool indeed!
If I went with a cam; I would do the Comp 212/218 or the 216/220 on 114LSA. Both should pass easy if you still have to do a "sniffer test". <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

Cal

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by blackssrider00:
<strong> hey RTCamaroSS

I just got a thunderracing 224-224 with a 112 lope and i have long tubes there is no way i am going to pass you know anyone that can go to in the bayarea email me at Blackssrider00@aol.com

thanks <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure I've heard of several people on this board that have passed in California with the TR224. If you put some cats on and do the right computer tuning, you should be able to pass.

RB185AFM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cal:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by blackssrider00:
<strong> hey RTCamaroSS

I just got a thunderracing 224-224 with a 112 lope and i have long tubes there is no way i am going to pass you know anyone that can go to in the bayarea email me at Blackssrider00@aol.com

thanks <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure I've heard of several people on this board that have passed in California with the TR224. If you put some cats on and do the right computer tuning, you should be able to pass. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A 224 with a 114 lsa maybee but the 112 lsa is really hard to cover up.In fact I have to bump up my idle with my 220 114 lsa to safley pass. It may be possible; though I am willing to bet you will have to find somebody to look the other way. Good luck.

<small>[ April 01, 2003, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: RB185AFM ]</small>

Trojan T/A

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I've heard that any cam up to 224/224 is fairly easy to pass. Bigger than that and you need a good tune, a really high idle, and a few other tricks to pass the idle test.

RTCamaroSS - I'm amazed you passed with a hot cam. Do you know how close you were to failing, or did you bribe the smog guy?

RTCamaroSS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Trojan T/A:
<strong> I've heard that any cam up to 224/224 is fairly easy to pass. Bigger than that and you need a good tune, a really high idle, and a few other tricks to pass the idle test.

RTCamaroSS - I'm amazed you passed with a hot cam. Do you know how close you were to failing, or did you bribe the smog guy? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope, just had good tuning with a MAFT, and put my stock muffler on to quiet it. I passed with flying colors... below 20hc at idle and 2500....

Siggy33

hey RB185AFM, what shop did you go to (a name and location would help a lot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) cuz i live in the valley and if i could find a "clueless" shop that would really help me justify those LTs i want real bad <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .

RB185AFM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Siggy33:
<strong> hey RB185AFM, what shop did you go to (a name and location would help a lot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) cuz i live in the valley and if i could find a "clueless" shop that would really help me justify those LTs i want real bad <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The shop was in modesto. But they go by zip codes now. So if you are not in 95356 they wont take you. Just a note the car I took to the shop was a 98 Cobra from back when I was on the dark side. I dont remember the name of the shop. Go check out some local shops in your area. Watch the tech inspect a few cars. Half the time they are to lazy to look under the car. That was how I found the shop I used.

RB185AFM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RB185AFM:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Siggy33:
<strong> hey RB185AFM, what shop did you go to (a name and location would help a lot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) cuz i live in the valley and if i could find a "clueless" shop that would really help me justify those LTs i want real bad <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The shop was in modesto. But they go by zip codes now. So if you are not in 95356 they wont take you. Just a note the car I took to the shop was a 98 Cobra from back when I was on the dark side. I dont remember the name of the shop. Go check out some local shops in your area. Watch the tech inspect a few cars. Half the time they are to lazy to look under the car. That was how I found the shop I used. Also I always have lowered cars with gound effects. It makes it almost impossible to even see the headers at that point. You might want to post in the western section to see if anyone in your town knows a good shop. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

<small>[ April 01, 2003, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: RB185AFM ]</small>

Siggy33

thanks bro, ill have to check out some shops in fresno and go from there. im not worried about the sniffer, im limiting myself to a modest sized cam on a 114 LSA so i think that wont be a prob with tuning. but i AM worried about visual inspection with my LTs and cutout (BTW do they generally look under the car in the area where my cutout is?), so thats why i asked. thanks again.

RB185AFM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Siggy33:
<strong> thanks bro, ill have to check out some shops in fresno and go from there. im not worried about the sniffer, im limiting myself to a modest sized cam on a 114 LSA so i think that wont be a prob with tuning. but i AM worried about visual inspection with my LTs and cutout (BTW do they generally look under the car in the area where my cutout is?), so thats why i asked. thanks again. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As long as the cutout is after the cats your ok as far as I know.Just to be on the safe side I am keeping all my stock exhaust , or I should say manifolds, cats, and y pipe plus my loudmouth I no longer have on the car. Do you ever go to Sears Point or Sac?

SSBoy

I passed with the TR-224 cam with FLP High Flow Cats/Long Tubes


---Minimal ls1 edit tuning (and i mean minimal)
---Idle was 850 in Drive/950 park neutral
---Even had fans turning on earlier with a 160 thermostat! (not good)
---Did not even have the EGR hook up working!!!
(LS-6 Intake Manifold)


Get the car very warm and smog her. Some people over worry a little too much about this. As long as you can find a "friendly" place to go to, every california ls1 owner should be cammmin there car <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

soslo

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New smog laws go into effect this summer, FYI. All of the shops will now test on a dyno under load...apparently the limits are harder now too, but I don't know for sure. Anyone with some more info? I saw something about this on cafords.com