New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - 400 Hp?

Is it possible to reach 400 hp w/ strictly bolt-ons? And if so which combination would do it?

not legitly. refering to RWHP at least. gotta clarify that ;)

400 flywheel HP is very easy, a few key bolt ons and your there; lid, headers, catback should get you there.

400 rwhp? No. 400 fwhp? Possibly. Some guys in M6s get up around 350 rwhp with all the boltons. Some even a little bit more.

That basically puts you at about what a 405 fwhp Z06 makes at the wheels.

I'd say it MAY be possible, with EVERY bolt-on, you probably wont even get there. Tuning will be a huge factor.

I'd say it MAY be possible, with EVERY bolt-on, you probably wont even get there. Tuning will be a huge factor.
No way. No even in an M6.

400 rwhp? No. 400 fwhp? Possibly. Some guys in M6s get up around 350 rwhp with all the boltons. Some even a little bit more.

That basically puts you at about what a 405 fwhp Z06 makes at the wheels.

I pulled 334/348 in my 02 TA with just a lid and cutout. I agree 350 maybe a little more.

No way. No even in an M6.
Sounds like a bet! :D

seeing as how most 01-02 m6 cars dyno around 300-310 to the wheels stock....i dont see how u could add 100 hp with just bolt ons. u may be able to get 50-60 to the wheels....lid, tb, headers, duals, pulley, etc. i dynoed 350 with lid, headers and duals. i was very happy with that. im at 380 now with the tr224 cam, lid, headers, and hooker catback. with my tb and pulley on the way, i expect to be at or right under 400.

seeing as how most 01-02 m6 cars dyno around 300-310 to the wheels stock....i dont see how u could add 100 hp with just bolt ons. u may be able to get 50-60 to the wheels....lid, tb, headers, duals, pulley, etc. i dynoed 350 with lid, headers and duals. i was very happy with that. im at 380 now with the tr224 cam, lid, headers, and hooker catback. with my tb and pulley on the way, i expect to be at or right under 400.

The average M6 01-02 definately dynos higher than 300-310rwhp. Bolt-ons only you could probably see ~360. 400 rwhp is out of the question for a bolt on LS1. Maybe on an LS2???? :cool:

I'd say it's POSSIBLE to get 400 RWHP with bolt ons, but not too likley. You would have had to started out with a factory freak (at least 320 at the wheels probably) and get every last bolton, but it could be possible I suppose

I'd say it's POSSIBLE to get 400 RWHP with bolt ons, but not too likley. You would have had to started out with a factory freak (at least 320 at the wheels probably) and get every last bolton, but it could be possible I suppose

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Nobody has ever come anywhere near 400 rwhp with only bolt-ons. What logical thinking did you use to come to the conclusion that it is possible? Also, 320 rwhp would not be a "freak". 01-02, M6 cars dyno that frequently.

If your bolt on is nitrous or a supercharger, yes.

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Nobody has ever come anywhere near 400 rwhp with only bolt-ons. What logical thinking did you use to come to the conclusion that it is possible? Also, 320 rwhp would not be a "freak". 01-02, M6 cars dyno that frequently.

agreed. if it was possible it'd of been done already. there arent even any 380rwhp bolt on only cars, where is an extra 20 going to come from?

anyone remember that "claimed" 400rwhp/400rwtq X package from that one shop/company. that shit was a riot :lol:

You can bolt on a supercharger :)

Oh, nevermind I seem someone already said that :(

anyone remember that "claimed" 400rwhp/400rwtq X package from that one shop/company. that shit was a riot :lol:
I remember that. He got punked out quick.

400rwhp is not happening with bolt ons.

I remember that. He got punked out quick.

400rwhp is not happening with bolt ons.

:nod:

Tony called him out, made an offer to fly out and have the package installed, and what not. good stuff :D

You can bolt on a supercharger :)

Oh, nevermind I seem someone already said that :(

That's because a supercharger isn't a bolt-on ;)

You can bolt on almost anything. Nitrous solenoids bolt on, heads bolt on......doens't make it a bolt-on. (obviously)

So, while we are on the topic, what is the highest bolt-on power level? It has to be faily high, considering people have gone 11.5's with bolt-ons. If you were to lock the converter or do that with an M6 what kind of power would you be looking at? I imagine it isn't much more than ~360 rwhp??

agreed. if it was possible it'd of been done already. there arent even any 380rwhp bolt on only cars, where is an extra 20 going to come from?
But I don't think anyone has ever tried... At least not that I know of

Ferocity: What don't you think anyone has tried?? I know that people have gotten everything that they could out of their car before they went into the motor. Nobody has shot for 400 rwhp bolt-ons only b/c at this point in time it cannot be done.

agreed. if it was possible it'd of been done already. there arent even any 380rwhp bolt on only cars, where is an extra 20 going to come from?
you could get 20 hp with a good tune easy.

I don't think it can happen.

If the Ls1's had a factory "stock" class like the Fords I bet it would easily get done.

If the Ls1's had a factory "stock" class like the Fords I bet it would easily get done.
?????????????

you could get 20 hp with a good tune easy.

Apparantly the clue train missed a stop...

But I don't think anyone has ever tried... At least not that I know of

Yeah, those bolt on guys in the low 11's/high 10's haven't even considered how to get more power out of their engines...

Are you guys serious, or did this just turn into a joke thread without me noticing?

Apparantly the clue train missed a stop...



Yeah, those bolt on guys in the low 11's/high 10's haven't even considered how to get more power out of their engines...

Are you guys serious, or did this just turn into a joke thread without me noticing?
what do you mean the clue train?? you could deff get 20 hp out of tunning your f bod, iam not saying that will put you at 400rwhp but thats not what i said in the first place now is it. :engarde:

Originally Posted by jrp

agreed. if it was possible it'd of been done already. there arent even any 380rwhp bolt on only cars, where is an extra 20 going to come from?

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you could get 20 hp with a good tune easy.

This is what is reffered to as the clue train. The last stop is you.

Nevermind, I'm sure the short bus will be around to pick you up soon anyway, since you obviously missed the train.

I.E., the clue train, since you aren't too bright.

LS6 cars make it, somewhat rarely (becoming more common), but they do reach that mark. I think it is all in the cam. With a better cam, you can get 400rwhp, but on a stock LS1 cam, there is no posiblity.

I have never nor do I think I ever will, hear of a 400rwhp bolt on LS1......

BTW, you all say 350....that is very low, I have personaly encountered a buddy's WS6 get over 360 with headers, lid and dynomouth. No pully either....

Then again, his car is stupid fast for what he has, I haven't heard of anything else that high, at least not local.

There is no debate here. It won't happen.

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This is what is reffered to as the clue train. The last stop is you.

Nevermind, I'm sure the short bus will be around to pick you up soon anyway, since you obviously missed the train.

I.E., the clue train, since you aren't too bright.
dude now y you have to go and be a jack ass and for your information My post was in reply to the question that jrp had asked wich is y he's post is quoted right on top of mine, so chill out with the insults and stop talking out of you ass, ass.

There is no debate here. It won't happen.

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and zambolx your not going to get 20rwhp on an already tuned car, thats what z98 is referring to. the tuning is already a given.

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and zambolx your not going to get 20rwhp on an already tuned car, thats what z98 is referring to. the tuning is already a given.
o ok thats cool man no problem. He is just pissing me off with the arrogant, insulting atitude he is gettign when i din't even made a coment to him or anything that he could take the wrong way agaisnt me.

I don't think so. I had just about every bolt-on that I know of & got 371, tho my car is an A4.

There is no debate here. It won't happen.

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Will NEVER happen in the real world.

Everyone who read post #21 in this thread knows you are the one talking out of your ass.

Give it up.

Everyone who read post #21 in this thread knows you are the one talking out of your ass.

Give it up.
o really and how do you figure that dude i din't even post your way till you started picking on me o and by the way the thread is how to get a car to 400 rwhp with bolts on, no body said anything about tunning maibe for some thats a given and for some it's not i din't factor in that you guys where already including that in, soo quit talking shit ok you can easylly get 20 hp with a tune on a car thats never been tuned thats what i meant to say, ok now quit talking shit you can't back up Tampa in only 2 hours away from Fort laud Fl, so shut up or else we might have to meet up if you not to much of a pussy? pussy.

for those of you that actually got into this thread because of the tittle i apologise for the mud fest this turned into, i never though a simple post would have pissed this guy off so much.

I don't think it can be done with bolt ons either. In order to get to 400 hp, at least a few stick ons would be needed as well. And lets not forget, while we don't have official numbers, one member in particular has breached the 200mph mark with "strap on body parts".

whao!!!!!!!!!! I didnt mean to cause such a commotion, I was just a lil curious since I'm still a little ignorant to the potiential that our cars may have or not have. And after hering so many good points from all of you, would it be safe to assume 380 rwhp with bolt-on's? And if so what kind of 1/4 mile eta would that be?

380rwhp is on the very high end of what you can expect out of a bolt on LS1. You can run mid 11's with that though with the right setup.

whao!!!!!!!!!! I didnt mean to cause such a commotion, I was just a lil curious since I'm still a little ignorant to the potiential that our cars may have or not have. And after hering so many good points from all of you, would it be safe to assume 380 rwhp with bolt-on's? And if so what kind of 1/4 mile eta would that be?
ok at the risk of starting even more comotion i am gona say that with good tires and if you can drive you will see 12's with that much power, depending on your abilities you'll see high 12's to near mid 12's.

Now if anyone disagrees with my statement please say so in an orderly name there is no need to start talking bout clues, and trains and calling someone stupid just couse you disagree with me. sp please if you disagree let me know the proper way.

Edit: oopps unit beated me to it, yea 11's sound more like it but after what i seen in this thread i figure i might as well stay on the extremely conservative side and avoid any more discruntal members out there.

380rwhp is on the very high end of what you can expect out of a bolt on LS1. You can run mid 11's with that though with the right setup.

True, with an M6 you could hit 380rwhp. And with a perfect setup you could run 11s. More that likely you'd run low to mid 12s. Keep in mind the National Record for these cars (stock) is in the hi 10s, so mid 11s with bolt-ons aint easy.

ok at the risk of starting even more comotion i am gona say that with good tires and if you can drive you will see 12's with that much power, depending on your abilities you'll see high 12's to near mid 12's.

Now if anyone disagrees with my statement please say so in an orderly name there is no need to start talking bout clues, and trains and calling someone stupid just couse you disagree with me. sp please if you disagree let me know the proper way.

Edit: oopps unit beated me to it, yea 11's sound more like it but after what i seen in this thread i figure i might as well stay on the extremely conservative side and avoid any more discruntal members out there.

lol. Yes, you are off on your numbers for sure. 380rwhp is 11's without too much difficulty on a decent setup. Hell, 350rwhp can go 11's. 380 rwhp can go ~11.5 as unit stated. I'd like to see even 380 rwhp out of a bolt-on LS1. That would be exceptional. And yes, that would be WITH a tune :chug:

lol. Yes, you are off on your numbers for sure. 380rwhp is 11's without too much difficulty on a decent setup. Hell, 350rwhp can go 11's. 380 rwhp can go ~11.5 as unit stated. I'd like to see even 380 rwhp out of a bolt-on LS1. That would be exceptional. And yes, that would be WITH a tune :chug:
yea i figure as much since my t/a with about 20 less hp than that is already in the 12's but hey i fugure let me not get to crazy, dont want anyone screaming outrage at me again. :jest:

however you will need to do suspension adjustment's along with that power to get to the 11's. Wich is probably what you meant by proper set up isnt it. lol

it would be cheaper just to do cam, converter if auto, and exhaust, and you would prolly see way better hp numbers, and times!

it would be cheaper just to do cam, converter if auto, and exhaust, and you would prolly see way better hp numbers, and times!
:stupid: Not to mention better ETs for the numbers.

it would be cheaper just to do cam, converter if auto, and exhaust, and you would prolly see way better hp numbers, and times!

Um, actually, a converter and exhaust are considered bolt-ons. Not only that, but an aftermarket, high stall converter actually REDUCES your rwhp/rwtq numbers because they are typically less efficient. ;)

Want to know the answer read my reply.

As for 11s....lets just say if you are not in 11s with those #s practice will be you next best mod. Reaching 11s is quite possible with bolt ons, and I plan to do it later this year early next year. 350rwhp will get you a nice low 12 slip, an 11 is pushing it. However 380 to the wheels in an M6 would see around (for average driver with a 1.9+ 60ft) 11.7-11.9. With a skilled driver you can get her down to about 11.6 may .5 but that is still pushing it. Remember 11 seconds is a whole new world where progress is limited, and a 450rwhp car is still in the 11s.

370 with bolt ons in an A4 sound a bit bogus, but who am I to say your lying, possibly true.

A higher stall converter is more efficent....it does absorbe horspower, but not torque. I watched a friend lose 9rwhp but gain 13rwtq. But then again, some cars gain hp from a TC. :dunno: every car is different.

~Kevin

If you think my claim of 370rwhp with bolt-ons sounds bogus, imagine what everyone thinks of you saying you're going to run 11s with 350rwhp! IF it will do that, I'd consider running AFIA with it. Now maybe if you strip the car down so it weighs 3200lbs, and add a 4500 stall with stickies that get you into the 1.5 60' area. But the BEST I've ever seen up here with a combo like that was 12.20s. Unless you plan to spray....which negates your claim to 350 hp.

And by the way, my 'dyno queen' is well known & documented in the NW. It's no BS. So far I am the top dog in the area for a cam-only car. And the best my car is likely to run next year after I put in a stall is hi 11s. But then I only have 390rwhp now, my car is full dress right down to the spare tire, and I do NOT spray.

Woah you got a cam? If you think that is high try our RevXtreme cam in a 99 Corvette 399rwhp!! That is through their transaxle which rumor has it weighs more rotation than a 4L60E....

350rwhp can be an 11 slip but like I said that is pushing it. Mid to low 12s is the norm with that rating. BTW, if your car is an A4 with 390rwhp......you are not in the 11s? You honestly should be in the 11s, thats about 400-408rwhp in a M6, and you should be better in the quarter than an M6 with that power. You should be 11.4-11.7 with a converter, maybe better.(Should dyno roughly @ 376rwhp +/- 5hp with a converter)

But dude man like I said I don't know if it is real or not but to me it sounded bogus because it was very high. BTW I don't give an F if it is well documented and you are well known.

If you consider yourself a top dog for a cam only car come on down to tampa and race any car that has had the pleasure to recieve a RevXtreme cam.....then go back to everyone in the northwest and tell them about what happened. Your cam selection was very poor, to recieve 20 rwhp...we have guys getting over 40 and even 49rwhp. Now if you had put in a cam that gave you anything close to what our cams give you would have a 400+rwhp monster.......

It was just a comment mang, and your pride got the best of you.

Holly crap man, you have 4.10s and you are running those times!! 12.43 113 MPH

Your mph seems a tad low, get a better 60ft there buddy and you will have an 11. Still, get a converter, and you will be in the mid 11s.

Bring the 60ft down to 1.6-.7 range and get slicks, you have a 9 inch.
Get a real tune, Predators suck. Might be why you only got a 20rwhp gain with cam lean it out a bit we got an extra 7 rwhp with just leaning out a cam car....every car is different though.

Your car is 60 footing about what mine does and I am on street tires. That is where your loosing you advantage man.





Dude don't take what I say as a bash on you that was advice, the previous post I was defending myself. No hard feelings..... :)

If you think my claim of 370rwhp with bolt-ons sounds bogus, imagine what everyone thinks of you saying you're going to run 11s with 350rwhp! IF it will do that, I'd consider running AFIA with it. Now maybe if you strip the car down so it weighs 3200lbs, and add a 4500 stall with stickies that get you into the 1.5 60' area. But the BEST I've ever seen up here with a combo like that was 12.20s. Unless you plan to spray....which negates your claim to 350 hp.

And by the way, my 'dyno queen' is well known & documented in the NW. It's no BS. So far I am the top dog in the area for a cam-only car. And the best my car is likely to run next year after I put in a stall is hi 11s. But then I only have 390rwhp now, my car is full dress right down to the spare tire, and I do NOT spray.

If done right you should be able to run better than high 11's. Go to the right place/time running your high 11's and you'll have bolt-on only cars beating you. Which would make me :cry: