Generation III External Engine LS1 | LS6 | Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust | Ignition | Accessories
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

What is better 2.5'' or 3'' for y-pipe?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-23-2004, 12:25 PM
  #1  
TECH Resident
Thread Starter
 
LS1SS4ever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 973
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Question What is better 2.5'' or 3'' for y-pipe?

Is there a difference in gaining power or sounds? What is better for lower car?
Old 09-23-2004, 12:34 PM
  #2  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (16)
 
LS1LT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 9,331
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Lightbulb

2.5" will obviously be better for a lowered car (takes up less space, more clearance) but as far as which makes more power, just too many factors (engine size, NA or FI, stock internals etc?) to consider there.
Old 09-23-2004, 12:38 PM
  #3  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Ragtop 99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Bethesda, MD
Posts: 9,491
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

A properly designed 2.5" into 3" (or 3.5") can produce better torque on stock cammed cars because the narrower diameter helps keep the velocity of the exhaust gasses high. On cammed cars shifting 6500 and higher, I would go with 3" into 3.5"

A poorly designed merge will kill a Y-pipe using 2.5" sides
Old 09-23-2004, 03:15 PM
  #4  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
matts22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

So on a car that plans to have heads and cam in the future, is a 3" y-pipe (like qtp with flowmaster merge) going into a 3" I-pipe with a cutout going to make the most power next to true duals? How much difference is there between a 3" and a 2.5" y-pipe as far as power?
Old 09-23-2004, 05:28 PM
  #5  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
luv2spd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Newton, KS
Posts: 1,152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Just go with the 3" ORY and get a cutout. Power will be close to true duals especially with the open cutout.
Old 09-23-2004, 06:05 PM
  #6  
Banned
iTrader: (45)
 
lsx24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: NC
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
A properly designed 2.5" into 3" (or 3.5") can produce better torque on stock cammed cars because the narrower diameter helps keep the velocity of the exhaust gasses high.
Correct. That is why you would want to pay for quality headers, or just put something on there if you know you can replace it soon with a quality part. I don't see how the different stepped headers can gain lots of easy hp, that would require some real R&D.
Old 09-23-2004, 07:57 PM
  #7  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
matts22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

How much power do you lose going through high flow cats compared to an ORY? Because I have heard that without cats, there is rasp with most aftermarket catbacks. And rasp is something that will bug me, so if the power loss through cats is negligable, then I'll just use them.
Old 09-24-2004, 10:46 AM
  #8  
Banned
iTrader: (45)
 
lsx24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: NC
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

It is negligable, 8-12 rwhp on a dyno jet.
Old 09-25-2004, 12:01 PM
  #9  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (3)
 
AdamSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Chicago Suburbs
Posts: 740
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

It is negligable, 8-12 rwhp on a dyno jet.
NO WAY !!! - More like 2-3 rwhp.... It's a sad myth that high-flow cats take away more than that...
Old 09-25-2004, 12:51 PM
  #10  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (16)
 
LS1LT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 9,331
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Lightbulb

Originally Posted by AdamSS
NO WAY !!! - More like 2-3 rwhp.... It's a sad myth that high-flow cats take away more than that...
It depends. On an internally stock motor naturally aspirated motor it might be only 3-5 rwhp but on a more serious set up (heads and cam, stroker, blower/turbo etc.) it could be as much as 15-20rwhp in some cases.
And if they rob any less power than that then they probably aren't really 'functioning' cats, more like small bullet mufflers with open screens in them at that point.
Old 09-25-2004, 01:52 PM
  #11  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
matts22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Well, I wouldn't really be keeping the cats to be "functioning" as far as emissions. We don't even have emissions testing in Missouri. I just don't want rasp from my exhaust. And I have heard a lot of stories of how bad rasp is without cats. Does the metallic substrate cats make any difference?
Old 09-26-2004, 08:23 AM
  #12  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 4,908
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

You could use bullets where the cats go like i did to remove rasp.




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:30 AM.