Street Racing & Kill Stories - Who said you cant beat bikes from a roll? 954rr goes down. Bring it on BYAATCH!!

I was on an open highway on my way dropping a friend to school and I saw 3 bikes behind each other. 1st bike I saw was a 2004 600rr (the one with the awesome tail pipe).

Immediately I started drooling :drool: because I always wanted a bike. But, I decided to say "no its too dangerous" and spent the money modding my car.

Anyway, I keep following all 3 bikes and had a chat with the passenger and he was asking me if I could beat a 600rr. I said well dynoing 482rwhp and 588rwtq should prove something (nitrous torque curve is deadly :devil: ).

So we keep talking and the next thing I noticed was the bike in front was a 954 rr. Immediately I turned the bottle opener on (thanks to nitro dave for all the nitrous goodies :hal: ) looked at the pressure 900psi. Awesome :rock:.

I down shifted to 3rd (yes we were going from like a 65mph roll). I know I should of downshifted to 2nd but by the time I downshifted to 3rd the 954 owner noticed my revs went up so he downshifted as well and I said well f-ck it Im out of time cant miss this opportunity for the world. My rpms were like at under 4500rpms (:secret: NOT GOOD!) .

His bike sounded louder (knew he was in the right gear) so I look at him indicating im ready to go and right before i honk it off he gets on it - no 3 honks! (damn cheater - cut me a break here its just a trans am :P). He thought he would eat me alive. haha but boy was he wrong!

When I first got on (right after he did - not even a sec headstart) I saw him jumping like a foot ahead of me the most and immediately I reeled him in. He was side by side with me until I finished 3rd gear and I could see him shifting his ass off beside me but he was not going anywhere but backwards slowly. Shifted to forth and the passenger guy started waving bye bye to his ass :wavey:. Continued in forth gear and he started going behind - he knew the race was over. So I slowed down and he came beside me giving me major thumbs up :thumb:. I would say I put a car length on him from a roll 65-120mph. I think if I kept going I would of pulled him even more to be honest (distance between us grew as mph got higher).

Boy was he suprised. Then I looked at him and purged on his ass and for a good 5 seconds he was just staring like WTF :lol: ... I couldnt tell if he was in shock or if he was cussing me out in his thoughts hahaha...

Note: when you are driving that fast it is extremely hard to measure the distance you pull someone. A car length in between is just an estimate could of been more definetly not less (unless he slowed down sooner - i doubt it).

I must say the best 3 kills I have are:

1) 954rr kill
2) Z06 w/ heads and cam (haha this guy could not believe a damn WS6 beat his modded Z06!)
3) 480rwhp 03 cobra

Mods in sig. Let me summarize it for you:

TR224 114 cam , 3:73s, true 100 shot. basic bolt ons. Good tune. Nothing ported. Daily driver 380rwhp 360rwtq and 480rwhp 588rwtq on nitrous.

I still cant believe how much faster my WS6 is now from stock. I cant believe I beat a damn bike after he got on it first. Not trying to show off here but the adrenaline rush got me REALLY hyper (20 minutes after and still breathing heavily).

Boy do I love my daily driver and my ONLY vehicle!

Cant wait until I get to race a 2002 R1... I think If im lucky i might have a chance.

I love nitrous :hail:

A 100 shot of N20 gave you 228 Ft/Lbs of TQ? :eek2:

that 588rwtq was produced in 3000rpms. Nothing useable in the race unfortunately since the torque curve drops quickly to 450ish.

Attached below is my very blurry ghetto dynosheet.

Sorry this is the best I could do :)

Enlarge pic for more clarity by click on the bottom right corner icon when visible.

"An SS looks like it could kick your ass if it wanted to, but a WS6 looks like it's coming over to do it!" - Anonymous
I am sorry but this is what I like best about your post......

Great Kill though....CDR954RR's is not a Slouch by any means.....Ihave heard nothing but good things from rider who have them or had them.
What was your MPH when ya let off? I usually dont look unitl after I let off....LOL

Good Kill Man:usa:

bikes are not untouchable, the thing about them is that their is a point that they don't pull as hard as thay should, My R1 pulls hard from 0-140mph but then feels like it runs out of breath for about 4-5 sec. then pulls on up to 180mph without a problem. This is just my bike though. Accell from about 60 at high revs and it flies. Many people gear the bike to do stunts, and hurts they're overall performance. Bikes are tough and you do have a good combo so beating one would be easier for you than lets say...an 02 WS6 thats all stock. I had a guy in a Nova talk some shit to me, and he definalty put my bike in its place. Good kill and keep the mods coming.

So what do you run ans trap in the 1/4?? I have a race in the not too far future with a GSXR 1000 with the car in sig. Only difference will be either a 200 or 250 shot instead of the 100 shot.

Thats why I built my 97 CBR900RR motor from the ground up, 190 RWHP I have a mustang that runs 10.23 and I can pass it from a roll on the highway like its standing still. My car is stock and I have beat a few bikes from a 50-130 blast but most hand me my ass, killing a bike is a huge acomplishment...good job!! :chug:

thanks for the awesome replies fellas :)

00TAProject, in all honesty I dont know what my mph was when I let off but I know i was in 4th gear and did not go all the way. I hit the rev limiter in 4th gear at about 133-135mph but I slowed down sooner. I would say I went up to 125mph then slowed down.

RedReaper, I never intended to mod my car for the track and im not such a great driver either. But if this helps on nitto DRs I ran 11.81 @ 122mph on a 1.9 60 ft (yep terrible launch). Also on that run my nitrous window switches were at 6200 instead of 6500rpm (which is what I have now). That 11 sec run was also my ONLY 11 second run. I would say the car should have 11.5 sec potential @ 124mph maybe low 11s on slicks if I learn to launch it on spray... but again i do not really visit the drag strip that often.

I just looked at your sig. WHOAH... 250 shot is A LOT especially on a 408! Are you planning on beating the GSXR 1000 out of the whole? If so, then I see a point for that big of a shot. I would say from a 50mph roll you should kill a gsxr 1000 on a 200 shot - no problem.

Let me know if your racing from a roll or at the 1/4 mile strip. One thing for sure is you better get that race on tape! I wish I had a chance to tape the race :cry: .. most awesome kill i had but with no proof :(

anyone know of a STOCK 02 R1 that wants to play? :devil:

My 2000 R1 has gone 9.60 on a freak pass and usually hovers around 9.90-10.00 at over 137mph on every pass. On the R1 forum the newer R1's are about a tenth quicker, my bike, as far as I know, is stock except the slip-on that I put on it. If oyu ever get to Indy it would be fun to race you,I got beat by a Nova but thats it so far.

greatwhite, man I wish I could race your R1.

I absolutely love racing bikes. Did you ever happen to race a 954rr? How close would you say the race would be? I know the R1 would be way faster from a stop but what about from a roll? ... say 65mph roll? (wanna know how I would hang with those R1s)

I wish I knew someone in san antonio that would not mind racing me. I just dont like walking about to people calling them out because thats just not me - hate to be seen like an ass if you know what i mean.

gotta find an R1 gotta gotta gotta :bang:

Hey the race is going to be from a roll, probably about 60 mph or so. I just wanted to know what your car trapped so I could compare it to mine and see where I might stand. I figure to be somwhere in the 650 rwhp range if I spray a 200 and 700 rwhp if I spray a 250 shot. Torque in the mid 700 to low 800s depending on shot as well. If everything works out I will also have Stage 3 heads on there and have those shitty ass stage 2s off of there. That should put me around 500 rwhp pn motor and 700 rwhp on the 200. He thinks that he will rape me for some reason, its stock as stock can get. It will be on tape also!!

I personally have not raced a 954RR, my bike on the other hand has. The guy I bought it from raced one (afriend of a friends) from 80 to 160 and had about 5 bike lengths on him, from a dig it was all R1, about 1/2 sec in the 1/4mile. I have raced my friends 'busa on the street and he only got me by about a bike - but he is a new rider also. The only way he beat me was by shear power, not ability! I know some people in texas from my other forum and I will see if I can set something up for you if you would like.

RedReaper, I think your more than ready to put a whip on him :whip: and I was thinking you wanted to race him from a stop or something :).. Do you have 3:73s or the stock 3:42s? please you make sure you get the taping done with a good camera man taping the bike ONLY and never the speedo (if you could get that done ofcourse). I assume your 250 shot is a two stage shot? I think if you could get to spray a 250 shot and hook immediately then you might be able to take on a hayabusa if you get really lucky. If I recall correctly, I think those Z06s with the Lingenfelter 650hp (600rwhp) twin turbos packages are beating hayabusas from a 70mph roll. At least John at 21st century told me they accomplished that using their forged 346 .. so i guess what im trying to say is your 408 should have the balls to beat a hayabusa.. maybe you should find out and let us know ;)

GREATWHITE, REALLY? man thats awesome for you to offer. I would really appreciate it if you could do such a favor. I really dont want to race modded bikes as I still think im not that fast. Just a completely stock 600RR, GXR 750, 929, 954, R1 would do. Depending on the bike we could do different mph rolls.. you wouldnt know anyone that would have a camera setup on his bike now would you? :hail: I really want to get it taped if I can next time it happens (wish I had a digital camera already).. Also I have the 150 jets that I never used before so I could always try them out if they could help me beat a fast bike... (okay im getting a little too excited now :lol: )

"An SS looks like it could kick your ass if it wanted to, but a WS6 looks like it's coming over to do it!" - Anonymous
I am sorry but this is what I like best about your post......

I agree, that's probably one of the funniest things I have read in a while .... so true as well.

Nice kill btw. :cheers:

Nice kill

red reaper your in an ss with a 408 and only running two tenths of a second faster with a 100 shot and going 11.6??? stupid fast running a 408 in a truck rcsb ran a 408 built block motor with a 230/230 cam (quite a bit smaller) and a 150 shot and ran a 7.3 1/8 mile which translates to about an 11.3-11.5 so something doesnt sound quite right :bang: :bang: no it didnt help still cant think of a reason why BTW awesome kill on a bike especially one that big man that must have been freakin exhilerating as hell i would have had a rush for that long at least

red reaper your in an ss with a 408 and only running two tenths of a second faster with a 100 shot and going 11.6??? stupid fast running a 408 in a truck rcsb ran a 408 built block motor with a 230/230 cam (quite a bit smaller) and a 150 shot and ran a 7.3 1/8 mile which translates to about an 11.3-11.5 so something doesnt sound quite right :bang: :bang: no it didnt help still cant think of a reason why BTW awesome kill on a bike especially one that big man that must have been freakin exhilerating as hell i would have had a rush for that long at least



I only ran once with the 100 shot. I have a couple of issues with it. First my heads really suck for this motor, only flowed like 297 @ .600. Second is I am still on the stock 10 bolt so I am launching it easy a hell, no more than 3000 rpms. Also my Stage 5 was slipping when I ran that time. My car is actually sitting at the shop right now because we had to pull the damn clutch pressure plate and flywheel and send them back to Spec so they can fix whatever is going on. I am also on the sotck fuel system so I might be leaning out alot. I have no doubts in my mind that with a non slipping clutch and my stand alone fuel system I am going to put on that it will run low 11s high 10s as it sits. My short times were only high 1.8s I am going to be buying heads around christmas time for it.

redreaper what gears do you have in the stock rear end?

Hey Ahmed, this is Matt...
Awesome kill man. :cheers:
Off topic, I think Chris wants to run you on spray with him on race gas are you up for it???
He is getting a little too confident since he has taken out a couple of pretty fast LS1s.

redreaper what gears do you have in the stock rear end?


3.42s. Nothing on the car has been touched except the motor and clutch.

2002_TAWS6 sent you a PM about a race, 04 R1 in San Antonio.

Matt, thanks for the compliments. Always thought of you as a very polite gentlemen.
Ill PM you the details about your question as I would like to keep this off this thread.

great run! good kill, but if you trap only 122, i doubt the rider knew how to ride "agressively".
I trapped 118mph all the time on my 01 stock (except rear sprocket) Honda f4i and that was my first time ever at the strip with my first bike ever, with ambient temps 100+.

TomQ, thanks for the comments. My car definetly has a potential of a higher trap speed but I honestly never ran 11s in my entire life just that one time (and boy was it hard in a manual). You dont really have to trap very high speeds to be able to beat bikes from a roll. You just have to be in your powerband and not in the bike's powerband. I obviously know Im in no competition when it comes to racing bikes, but I know from certain bursts I do have an advantage.

My roommate has a 2002 Z06 with only an intake, headers, and no cats (not even tuned) and he beat a 954 from an 80 roll (now thats a high mph roll). I was also with him in the Z06 and I could not believe my eyes when I saw the bike not being able to gain on us. We pulled over into a gas station and the bike owner told us he just couldnt gain on us top end (and we never went above 130). And to elaborate more on being in the right powerband, the same Z06 owner also raced the bike from a 35mph roll and the 954rr just left us by almost 4 car lengths in distance ahead before we even hit 100mph.

As far as my race, trust me the bike got on it before I did. Im not saying I gave him a headstart, but he did get on it before I did. My right hand was on the steering wheel ready to honk it off as he got on it. And its not the tinest bit easy to beat a BIKE after he gets on it first. But I can understand why you would think the driver might of not been an aggressive one. Hell, I still cant believe I beat him as well! A freaking 954rr being beat by a WS6, who could figure out that one? :lol: ...

Sometimes I just think... man how would harlans twin turbo firehawk keep up with these bikes? Now I bet that guy can go from a 40mph roll. Now thats fast!

Nice Kill!!
I really don't think you want to call out an R1,but that's just me.
I have no trouble at all with the 954 race being true, i have smoked a 929 the same way(And i have stock internals and a 150 shot with my A4).

But i also own a 2002 STOCK R1 and don't think you stand much of a chance at all,IMHO. Go to carsvsbikes.com and check out some of those races.

I wish you the best of luck in finding more races with bikes,just wish i lived closer to you so we could run a few :) .
Dave

Are the 02 R1s MUCH faster than 954RRs from a 65 mph roll?

I was thinking *maaaaybe* with a 150 shot ill be lucky if I could beat an 02 R1 going from like 60-130mph. But among all the bikes we only found an 04 R1 yet, that was willing to race. If he blows me away ill try a high roll race (80mph if possible) and if I lose then the heck with it. I never intended to compete with bikes to begin.

In the meantime, can anyone tell me how fast of a bike ill be dealing with here? Do 04 R1s beat GSXR 1000s from a 60-130 bursts? ...

(thoughts in my head: "what did I get myself into!" :bang: )

:lol:

I have raced a new Porsche 911 TURBO on my stock 02 R1 .
A few buddies and i caught up with this real nice looking Porsche and decided to see if he wanted to play.
When we got behind him we saw the real wide rear tires and the TURBO badge on the rear. The dude kept speeding up a little at a time while looking back in his rear view,then cracked it open at about 75-80.
I dropped to 2nd gear and hit it,i had to fight the front tire back down to the ground . Then got on it hard in 3rd gear and almost ran into the back of his car,i not only caught him with no trouble. But i had probably a good 15-20 mph head of steam over his speed.
I needed to back out of it a few times(no room to pass,2 lane road).
My buddies Ninja 636(04) was behind me a good distance,and he ran a best of 10.98@129 at the track with his little 636cc self. And we were riding side by side in the same lane behind the 911 trying to get him to run.

Now i am not saying you cannot beat a Turbo 911,but i am saying that i had NO trouble out accelerating him from a 75-80 mph roll to about 110 ish mph.I have personally seen 181 mph on my bike ,and i think it has more in it. I don't,but it does! ;)

Just letting you know what your asking to get yourself into.

I wish you the best of luck,and again i only wish i lived closer to ya :cheers: .
Dave

I can't believe how many bad riders there are out there.

Yeah these guys must be on their first bikes or something? I raced a friend in his H/C z06 on my 929 and it wasn't even a race, I let him get about 2 cars ahead to let him get excited before I blew his doors off. I've heard not to spray for more than 15 seconds or you might blow your shit, have fun racing bikes but be careful with nos.

R1 I beleive is much faster. He is going to try to set it up for this weekend and he has a friend to video tape it for you, have a good time. I told him you were not being cocky, just wanted to see how you would fare against a newer 1-liter bike.

Thanks again Greatwhite, I do appreciate your help a lot.

Its hard to come by such friendly people like yourself. :cheers:
Sent you a pm with couple more questions.

Hey, I was just wondering how the race went. In all honesty, if the rider of he r1 knows what he's doing, he should be able to beat you no problem. I race my 02zx6r and I've spanked some bad ass cars before. But then again, I've also raced bigger bikes in my ws6 and I can hang with them up until about 130. The reason is, some people don't know how to push there bikes to the limits. I've only ran a 10.7 on my bike and there are a lot of people on this site that run faster times in the quarter mile, but on the street from a roll, you have to remember the powerband on motorcycles is a lot broader, so don't think you have an advantage there. Some of these bikes rev up to about 15grand and they do it very quickly. If the r1 doesn't know how to push it though, or keep his weels on the ground, you should do pretty well. Anyway, I was just curious how it went.

I have never had a car keep up with me on my bike at anything from a 30 roll and up. I have lost a few races from 0-40 just messing around but on the bike it is hard to launch from a stop without eating up a clutch or fighting a massive wheel up. On the highway in my stock 02 LS1 I have kept up with my friend on his R6 but he is not the most experienced and sometimes takes a second or so to shift and release the clutch so I had an advantage. When my bike was stock I had raced my friend in an old 427 vette that was built to 592 RWHP and it was close from 30-110, then he creeped by me, and he can drive that car to a 10.97 with major wheel spin, so from a roll its leathal. Any kill or close to a kill when its a car vs a newer 900cc+ sport or supersport bike should result in a massive props to the car driver. Even if you cant drive a bike you should be able to kill most cars on the road, even modded so it takes a good driver that knows the car to keep up or pass a well ridden bike.

What you are now reading is a reply 8 months after the preceding reply. I thought it would be interesting for you guys to know what my findings were as I truly had no idea how bikes perform.

The 954 I raced was not an aggressive driver at all (was prolly in the wrong gear or something). I raced a modded kawasaki 636 with my 150 shot - unlike the 954rr race on the 100 shot. For those of you that dont know, that bike runs high 10s @ 126-128mph - correct me if im not close enough. Note the description of the race in the link below. And the video should explain it all..

(ALERT BROADBAND CONNECTION ONLY - 50MB FILE SIZE)

http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx?fileid=FE65845C-B887-4360-98F3-40CC6BC75714

Nice vid. That sounds about right. You should be neck and neck with a 600 and "should" be beaten easily by liter bikes. I have similar numbers to you and got raped by a liter bike a while back, it wasn't pretty. I think it was a guy on here that said his car has almost 700rwhp and can hang with his buddies stock R1. Thankfully most riders on the street aren't very good.

What you are now reading is a reply 8 months after the preceding reply. I thought it would be interesting for you guys to know what my findings were as I truly had no idea how bikes perform.

The 954 I raced was not an aggressive driver at all (was prolly in the wrong gear or something). I raced a modded kawasaki 636 with my 150 shot - unlike the 954rr race on the 100 shot. For those of you that dont know, that bike runs high 10s @ 126-128mph - correct me if im not close enough. Note the description of the race in the link below. And the video should explain it all..

(ALERT BROADBAND CONNECTION ONLY - 50MB FILE SIZE)

http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx?fileid=FE65845C-B887-4360-98F3-40CC6BC75714
Why do you have multiple user names?

Why do you have multiple user names?

No but I know why you ask. I accidently posted my last reply from my buddies pc and forgot to log out first. Then i made some adjustments and replied back using my username :)

LS2 KLR, thanks for the response. Glad you enjoyed the vid

o man i love ur sig hope u dont mind me coping it

reply changed as I didnt read the 2nd page lol

I was kind of expecting it to go down bad for you man. A well ridden litre bike is one bad mofo.

Nice kill.........Bikes are fast and hard to kill. Good job!! :eek2: