Generation III External Engine - Advice on bolt-ons to beat on 04 Cobra!

My friend recently got a 2004 vert Cobra. He cant drive worth shit though, and Im sure I could beet him at this point. But I was wondering what kind of bolt ons I will need once he learns how to drive. Ive already got the mods in my sig, and I am also getting headers, and an air lid. My question is what kind of headers should I get? All advice is helpfull!

Wanna spend big bucks and get stainless? Kooks or QTP.
Cheaper and coated pacesetter.
Bolt on mods to beat an 04 cobra?
Probably nitrous.

Headers, ORY, Cat-Back, Lid w/ K&N, Pulleys, LS6 Manifold....See where u stand with those mods...

Then go ported intake w/ 78 mm TB, port n polish MAF, and Cam.... Then u will grill em!!

See where u stand stock, i know ull get beat but u can feel out a cobra by running them...He might be a shitty driver...

My friend recently got a 2004 vert Cobra. He cant drive worth shit though, and Im sure I could beet him at this point. But I was wondering what kind of bolt ons I will need once he learns how to drive. Ive already got the mods in my sig, and I am also getting headers, and an air lid. My question is what kind of headers should I get? All advice is helpfull!

To answer ur thread, go with MAC Mids & ORY... Sounds mean w/ that LM...I luv the performance of MAC's :eek2: ..or u can go LT's, up to you..

Bolt on's aren't the answer to blown cobras. You better look into spray if he even thinks about a pulley.

chances are if he's such a bad driver that he can't drive for shit, just let him take off with a high rpm clutch dump, wrap the damn thing around a tree and you'll never have to exceed teh speed limit to beat him.

otherwise...the second he gets a clue how to shift its gonna take more than bolt ons ESP. if he thinks about a pulley like stated above.

chances are if he's such a bad driver that he can't drive for shit, just let him take off with a high rpm clutch dump, wrap the damn thing around a tree and you'll never have to exceed teh speed limit to beat him.


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Get gears and sticky tires. If you have an auto, get a torque converter. My pacesetter headers fit great, good SOTP gains and were cheap. So far the coating is holding up well from the elements.

with EVERY bolt on you'll have around 350-360rwhp which is close to what cobras have, then it comes down to whos the best driver. If you have the money get a camshaft. If you are on a budget go with a nitrous kit.

With full boltons, gears and a good driver youll beat a stock cobra everytime.

I've beaten stock cobras when I was making 330 at the wheels... its all about driving.. tires.. even tho they make 360-370 stock.. their weight evens out the match if you are making 330-340. Now.. once they stick a pulley and a tune and are making 450+ you are going to need a big cam... heads / cam... or spray...

I am hoping to keep up with a local cobra with my mods in sig.. we'll see. Hes making 460 or so..

Even with 460 they only run low 12's.... but trap 118-120.

He isnt a good driver at all. When I drove his car for the fist time I shifted better than he could, and it was my first time driving a M6. I dont have to worry at all about him getting mods. I just want to be able to beat him when he learns to drive better. I will get some LT headers soon. My question is what kind should I get? Perhaps before this year is up I may get a Procharger, who knows! :devil:

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turbos are bolt on right! a good 5xxrwhp worth of bolton power.

NITROUS!!!!!! ITS A HELLUVA DRUG!!

get headers first tho, i like my macs.

He isnt a good driver at all. When I drove his car for the fist time I shifted better than he could, and it was my first time driving a M6. I dont have to worry at all about him getting mods. I just want to be able to beat him when he learns to drive better. I will get some LT headers soon. My question is what kind should I get? Perhaps before this year is up I may get a Procharger, who knows! :devil:


if ur staying with a stock motor im going to recommend against boost... mainly b/c the 10:1 compression ratio, nitrous would be better and in this case safer. im sure there are plenty who get by just fine and will disagree.

also if ur getting lt's pacesetter coated headers seem as good as any and 1/2 the price of some :)

NITROUS!!!!!! ITS A HELLUVA DRUG!!

get headers first tho, i like my macs.
How much would nitrous cost to buy and install. Ive got about 4000 dollars to play around with, so tell me what ya think!

The Cobra Verts are pretty heavy 3800lbs dry. In stock form with a good driver they usually hit low 13's @ 108-110mph. Coupe's fair somewhat better with high 12's at 110-112 mph. Your best bet is to get all the boltons along with a set of drag radials to take him out stock. When he goes for a pulley and hits 450+rwhp then your gonna need to tear into the motor or go FI.

Pullied Cobra's are no joke! Check out the times from over at SVTperformance.com and you'll see the average 450rwhp Cobra on DR's running high 11's @ 119-122mph. It takes a stout LS1 to hang with those trap speeds.

Option #1 if you got (M6)
1. Get Pacesetter Long Tubes, or MACs, ect. $430.
2. Single Stage NX wet kit $540.

Option #2 if you got (A4)
1. Get Pacesetter Long Tubes, or MACs, ect. $430.
2. 3200-3600 stall $600

If he gets a pulley you better have option #1 with decent size shot, or add nitrous to option #3

When he goes for a pulley and hits 450+rwhp then your gonna need to tear into the motor or go FI.

Pullied Cobra's are no joke! Check out the times from over at SVTperformance.com and you'll see the average 450rwhp Cobra on DR's running high 11's @ 119-122mph. It takes a stout LS1 to hang with those trap speeds.
He dosent even know what a pulley is. I am 100% sure that he will never mod it. I just want to make sure that when he knows how to shift better that I will easily beat him. Thanks for all the advice guys!!!!
EDIT I have an A4.

i would say save up and head to STS a base kit can be had for under 4K...... o and get a converter as well

The Cobra Verts are pretty heavy 3800lbs dry. In stock form with a good driver they usually hit low 13's @ 108-110mph. Coupe's fair somewhat better with high 12's at 110-112 mph. Your best bet is to get all the boltons along with a set of drag radials to take him out stock. When he goes for a pulley and hits 450+rwhp then your gonna need to tear into the motor or go FI.

Pullied Cobra's are no joke! Check out the times from over at SVTperformance.com and you'll see the average 450rwhp Cobra on DR's running high 11's @ 119-122mph. It takes a stout LS1 to hang with those trap speeds.


Low 12's, Very rare one of their cobras breaks 11's on DR's.... you post over there alot.. be sure to check. :)

f- all of that.

with 4000$=

headers/ory/cutout
converter/shiftkit/cooler
= 2k$ (or less but let's say 2k$ with install)

1k$= good nitrous kit with all of the goodies
nitto's/bfg's= 300$
tune=300$
sfc's= 200$

you'll rip him a new one.

for right now, i'd get drag radials and a converter/shiftkit/cooler- that alone should be able to beat him unless he is a REALLY good driver, or at VERY least give him a damn good run in the 1/4 mile (he'll burn you every time from a roll though- sorry). if he doesn't have drag radials forget it- you'll rip him from a stop every time no contest. if you don't believe me, get a ride (have them launch it) in a stalled ls1 car w/ drag radials that are heated up. you'll be going 50mph before he can even try and go full throttle because of traction/ his driving.

Wow guys youve all been relly helpfull!! Keep on commin with the ideas. I like all of the ideas that I can do with 4000$!

I would go with:
Grottyohann style headers
A quality O/R pipe
A decent catback
RAM VDS clutch kit
Moser 12 bolt w/ 4.10s or 4.30s
A quality air lid
A major part of increasing an F-bodies acceleration is suspension-
rear lower control arms
torque arm
subframe connectors
rear sway bar for drag racing; this will help keep the car straight
remove front sway bar; this will help A LOT with weight transfer
You need some QUALITY tires: at least drag radials.

Well, you could get some pacesetters, true duals and a huge cam and be close to 380 to the wheels, or put a LS6 intake mani and be hovering right around 400 to the wheels.

RAM VDS clutch kit
Moser 12 bolt w/ 4.10s or 4.30s

His car is an A4.

put a LS6 intake mani

Being an '02 his car already has an LS6 intake.

Here's an idea. Just get the single stage NX wet kit and use it conservatively.

Then put the rest of the money in the bank cause your still in high school you lucky motherXXXXXX.

He isnt a good driver at all. When I drove his car for the fist time I shifted better than he could, and it was my first time driving a M6. I dont have to worry at all about him getting mods. I just want to be able to beat him when he learns to drive better. I will get some LT headers soon. My question is what kind should I get? Perhaps before this year is up I may get a Procharger, who knows! :devil:
I thought he meant first time driving his M6, meaning his T/A was a M6, sorry my bad.

What headers are the best? I want some stainless steel ones. Also what cam would you recommend.

Best stainless headers are QTPs or Kooks. Best ceramic are PPCs. Best 'cheap' headers are Pace. Do headers & a stall & you should be able to beat him (if you also get some DR so you still have traction). Tbyrne is running a special on Yank stalls right now. They are THE best. If you want to kill him, add a cam. (a 224 is a good choice for power & driveability with an A4) But then you'll need some serious tuning too.

And as stated before, if the Cobra changes pulleys, then you'll need NOS to beat him.

Good luck!

definetly get qtp's, tsp true duals. and then get a approx 3500 stall. Combine that with a tr 224/224 112 lsa, and you will blow that dumb ass's doors off. Oh, dont forget drag radials, all of that is about 3000, tune included. you've got a thousand or more left, get a nice pair of patriot performance stage 2 ls6 heads, and then you'll put down to the rear around 450. that will kill him stock, and still beat him with a pulley. And to think, all of that for close to 4000. the only thing you'll need after that is a new rear-end.

Converter - 800.00
Nittos - 300.00
complete 12 bolt - 2300.00
Torque arm - 300.00
Panhard bar - 100.00
LCA's - 100.00
This should get you out of the hole (more than once). Taking him from a roll is another story. You need to decide if you want to spend it on power, traction, or reliability.

well with the mods in sig i stayed with an 03/04 cobra from 70 to 140 :). ive got shorties just fyi.

Converter - 800.00
Nittos - 300.00
complete 12 bolt - 2300.00
Torque arm - 300.00
Panhard bar - 100.00
LCA's - 100.00
This should get you out of the hole (more than once). Taking him from a roll is another story. You need to decide if you want to spend it on power, traction, or reliability.
I want reliability and power. I want to be able to beat him from a roll. My goal is to get my horsepower around 385-400. Nitrous sounds like an option at this point, but I would like to keep it all motor. I know that I am going to get headers for sure. Most likley QTP's. I also know that I am going to get an SLP Air box lid, and mabye a programmer/tuneup. Oh by the way does any one know where the closest Dyno is to Jackson Tennessee?

True duals - 420.00
Pacesetters - 375.00
Converter - 800.00
Nitrous - 700.00
Cam and all the goodies - 700.00
Nittos - 300
Panhard and LCA's - 200.00
Tuning - varies
That should keep him quiet for a while.

4000, check out the FI section. He's FI so should you. Turbo the thing and kick his ass.

blowers are considered bolt ons!

for 4k i would,
tci300-3500 stall, shift kit and cooler= about $1000 installed
pacesetter headers and y pipe=about 750 installed
228/228 cam kit with tune and install=about 1500.
nitto tires=300.
lid=100
above mods will net you about 400 rwhp and youll be doing high 11s with a good launch.

The closest dynos to Jackson are probably in Memphis [where I live]. Lucky's Motorsports off of Covington Pike has one. There may be a couple more. I'm building a CTS-V and I will dyno it in about a month. There are also 3-4 tuners here.

All i know is my brother has Jet hot Lt on his car and it looks like hes already having problems with them. I dont know if because we live in the midwest that plays a part in how long the headers will last. You might what to check that out. But my buddy has Stainless Stell Hookers on his 99 and seems to be real happy.

What ever you do let me know how it turns out!
If you want pm me I can tell you want my buudy has done to his car to beat a 03 cobra and a nos cobra

All i know is my brother has Jet hot Lt on his car and it looks like hes already having problems with them. I dont know if because we live in the midwest that plays a part in how long the headers will last. You might what to check that out. But my buddy has Stainless Stell Hookers on his 99 and seems to be real happy.


if the coating is flaking, its really not a huge deal. the headers wont rust threw anytime soon.