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Old 01-26-2005, 11:21 AM
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Just wanted to verify that Cometics thickness is given compressed, right? A Cometic .040 is .040 compressed right?

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yes, the number stated is the compressed thickness. i went with the .045 cometic myself.
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Yes it is.Just make sure you retorque them 3-4 times.Cometics can be a pain to compress right.I personally like the GM MLS's at .054.I've done the ultimate quench testing and there was no HP gain on the LS1's so I like spending $25 a gasket instead of $75-$100 per gasket for Cometics
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Originally Posted by jrp
yes, the number stated is the compressed thickness. i went with the .045 cometic myself.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Yes it is.Just make sure you retorque them 3-4 times.Cometics can be a pain to compress right.I personally like the GM MLS's at .054.I've done the ultimate quench testing and there was no HP gain on the LS1's so I like spending $25 a gasket instead of $75-$100 per gasket for Cometics
what was your retorqueing regiment? i torqued and retorqued mine during thee installation of my ARP studs. the engine hasnt been fired up yet, once broken in whats the retorqueing schedual?

and when your already thousands upon thousands into a project whats 75$ per gasket
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I am curious as well.
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Quench doesn't give HP gains, it simply wards off detonation and allows higher static compression ratios and more timing.

Cometics are also reusable, from what I've read.

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so then the cometics would be better for nitrous becuase of them warding off detonation?
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Originally Posted by SPANKY LS1
Just wanted to verify that Cometics thickness is given compressed, right? A Cometic .040 is .040 compressed right?

Thanks, Shawn
Just to touch on this~yes they are .040,you can also get .051"~or they can make you whatever you want reasonable per application.but .040 is the norm,or like .045 like some people like!great gaskets!
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Originally Posted by jrp
what was your retorqueing regiment? i torqued and retorqued mine during thee installation of my ARP studs. the engine hasnt been fired up yet, once broken in whats the retorqueing schedual?

and when your already thousands upon thousands into a project whats 75$ per gasket
Go over the torque again before startup,then you should be fine. So far out of 4 motor's I put Cometics in,3 of them leaked.This was 2 years ago and I gave up with them.Now we just use MLS gaskets. 90% of our cars are running FI so we do stress these gaskets
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50+ Heads/cam jobs with the right mill and never a leak, Torqued twice.
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I use Cometic almost exclusively on my 400+ CI motors and not a problem but I use a bonding agent around the coolant passages. Cometic says no, I say yes The deck and head surfaces need to be perfectly smooth though. Never had a leak!

GM MLS gaskets do work better on 346 applications. They are a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by RX-Ben
Quench doesn't give HP gains, it simply wards off detonation and allows higher static compression ratios and more timing.

Cometics are also reusable, from what I've read.

Ben
i thought with the perfect quench, you gained more power guess id better torque down my cometics again
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Do you need to retorque with gm tty bolts too ?
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Originally Posted by Mirek
Do you need to retorque with gm tty bolts too ?
I did some checking for you on your question.According to GM,you do not re-torque the bolts.Retorque could affect the TTY bolts !
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Thanks Good looking out.




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