My quote from Patriot I have some concerns and questions. You guys know your sh!t....
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My quote from Patriot I have some concerns and questions. You guys know your ****....
**For $1,495.00 you will get a pair of our CNC ported LQ9 heads. They will be assembled with our 23-8N stainless steel valves, bronze guides, machined spring bases, Patriot Gold .650" dual springs, Titanium retainers, super 7 locks, viton rubber seals, GM MLS head gaskets, OE head bolts, and shipping anywhere in the US. These heads will have 238cc intake runners ( the same runners as the LS6 head), 83cc "D" shaped exhaust runners ( the same as the LS6 head), 72cc combustion chambers, 2.05" stainless intake valves, and 1.60" stainless exhaust valves.**
1.) I was told that with my stock heads since my compression is stock that these heads will drop my compression to about 9.2:1.. Is that correct?
2. I'm concerned about the .650" dual springs, super 7 locks, and vitonrubber seals? Are they as good as the type of components I would buy seperate. Like comp cam 918's.. Don't the 918's come in dual? Aren't they the best? I've also never heard of Viton and Super 7!
3. What about rockers, lifters etc etc. When I buy the heads I'd like to have a complete head with the best bad *** valvetrain that will run with my planned mods.
As most of you guys know I'm planning a turbo kit and plan on using the GT2-3 cam with it. So since she is my daily driver and my hp goal is over 600 I'd like to get her down right the first time.
I don't care if the valvetrain is loud. That kinda stuff doesn't bother me. I'm more concerned about strength, durability, and reliability.
1.) I was told that with my stock heads since my compression is stock that these heads will drop my compression to about 9.2:1.. Is that correct?
2. I'm concerned about the .650" dual springs, super 7 locks, and vitonrubber seals? Are they as good as the type of components I would buy seperate. Like comp cam 918's.. Don't the 918's come in dual? Aren't they the best? I've also never heard of Viton and Super 7!
3. What about rockers, lifters etc etc. When I buy the heads I'd like to have a complete head with the best bad *** valvetrain that will run with my planned mods.
As most of you guys know I'm planning a turbo kit and plan on using the GT2-3 cam with it. So since she is my daily driver and my hp goal is over 600 I'd like to get her down right the first time.
I don't care if the valvetrain is loud. That kinda stuff doesn't bother me. I'm more concerned about strength, durability, and reliability.
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do i see a 383 stroker in your sig? is that what is currently in your car?
to answer your question, no, 918's don't come in duals. the patriot gold spring kit is great, it won't let you down. i haven't seen a failure when they've been installed right.
rockers and lifters are seperate, and to each their own. they don't come with any head package that i know of, they are bought seperate. you would be able to buy them from some sponsers that carry heads, but no packages that i have seen include them.
if that IS a 383 i see, then the gt2-3 might be a little small. what are its exact specs?
to answer your question, no, 918's don't come in duals. the patriot gold spring kit is great, it won't let you down. i haven't seen a failure when they've been installed right.
rockers and lifters are seperate, and to each their own. they don't come with any head package that i know of, they are bought seperate. you would be able to buy them from some sponsers that carry heads, but no packages that i have seen include them.
if that IS a 383 i see, then the gt2-3 might be a little small. what are its exact specs?
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from what i have learned on the board here,the patriot gold dual spring is one of the best dual springs out there,as are the super 7 locks.that's what i'm using with my heads that i'll be installing this spring.i don't know about their valves,maybe someone else could chime in here that knows.if it was me,i would just use your stock rockers unless your reving to the moon.viton seals are what the factory uses,they are the best seal out there,IMO.as far as lifters,stock replacements from comp will work fine with your cam.don't know about the CR with those heads.
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Originally Posted by TripleBlackRamAirT/A
I would recommend that you just upgrade the valves to the Rev's or whatever they offer.
i'd also suggest upgrading the valves tho. cheap insurance imho.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
do i see a 383 stroker in your sig? is that what is currently in your car?
to answer your question, no, 918's don't come in duals. the patriot gold spring kit is great, it won't let you down. i haven't seen a failure when they've been installed right.
rockers and lifters are seperate, and to each their own. they don't come with any head package that i know of, they are bought seperate. you would be able to buy them from some sponsers that carry heads, but no packages that i have seen include them.
if that IS a 383 i see, then the gt2-3 might be a little small. what are its exact specs?
to answer your question, no, 918's don't come in duals. the patriot gold spring kit is great, it won't let you down. i haven't seen a failure when they've been installed right.
rockers and lifters are seperate, and to each their own. they don't come with any head package that i know of, they are bought seperate. you would be able to buy them from some sponsers that carry heads, but no packages that i have seen include them.
if that IS a 383 i see, then the gt2-3 might be a little small. what are its exact specs?
Currently a LS6 GenIII Hotcam with LS6 Springs and Titanium retainers.
LT's are in my trunk waiting to get installed.
I'm planning a turbo car so that is why I'm chosing the Gt2-3 cam.
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Originally Posted by Mike98WS6
The heads themselves are great. I would get the upgraded valves like the other said. I wish I did at the time.
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Originally Posted by D3IMOS
I'm planning a turbo car so that is why I'm chosing the Gt2-3 cam.
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dude the steel valves that comes with the heads are already pretty good, you could get the brand names and be like yea i got rev vlaves, etc, etc, but ther is not a very big diff between them, specially iff you not spaying the living crap out of it or pusshing like 15 psi through the engine.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
i'd also suggest upgrading the valves tho. cheap insurance imho.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
hate to quote myself....but i said it for a reason. you CAN trust their steel valves....and you CAN try to push 600rwhp through a stock 10bolt w/a 6 speed. doesn't mean its a good idea.
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Originally Posted by D3IMOS
Yeah I think I'm definately going to upgrade everything I can. I don't wanna have to go back and redo anything.
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I think the low compression heads will be good for you if your sure you are going with a turbo, but personally I would go with a bigger cam on the 383. Most guys with a 346 that go forced induction go with a bigger cam than that if i'm not mistaken.
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zamboxl...you're right, its not the same. it was a comparison on things that CAN be done, but may not be the BEST idea. he wants to do it right the first time....so why use lesser valves? its not a bank-breaking option. i prefer to use the best components i can afford as well, and if he can afford the better valves...its not such a bad idea.
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I've got the Stage 3 LS6 style heads on my car, w/ the Rev valves. Approx 3k on the motor, and no complaints so far, the car made the numbers in the sig with the stock LS6 manifold.
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Originally Posted by cyphur_traq
zamboxl...you're right, its not the same. it was a comparison on things that CAN be done, but may not be the BEST idea. he wants to do it right the first time....so why use lesser valves? its not a bank-breaking option. i prefer to use the best components i can afford as well, and if he can afford the better valves...its not such a bad idea.