Downshift problem.. shaking..
03-27-2005, 10:18 AM
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Downshift problem.. shaking.. In my 2000 SS.. when i am coasting at about 40 mph and it comes time to downshift.. not sure if its into 3rd or 2nd gear.. my car starts shaking from front to back and then it finally downshifts... Doesn't seem like it did it till after my cam install.. I had the trans pressure increased to help it downshift and it didn't help.. Do you think this is a tuning problem or something to do with my shift kit or TC? Thanks
03-28-2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RollinSScamaro
I also just got 2 codes now.. P0751 and a random cylinder misfire... the P0751 is the shift solenoid.. could that be making my car shake on coasting downshift at 40 mph? Also would ta\hat make it so my car doesn't drop a gear at WOT?
3-2 downshift is inhibited.most likely needs a new shift solenoid we do them quite often here.
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DTC P0751 1-2 Shift Solenoid Valve Performance (5.7L)
Circuit Description
The 1-2 shift solenoid (SS) valve controls the fluid flow acting on the 1-2 and 3-4 shift valves. The 1-2 SS valve is a normally-open exhaust valve that is used with the 2-3 SS valve, in order to allow four different shifting combinations.
When the PCM detects a 1-1-4-4 or a 2-2-3-3 shift pattern, depending on the state of the mechanical failure, then DTC P0751 sets. DTC P0751 is a type A DTC.
Conditions for Running the DTC
No TP sensor DTCs P0122 or P0123.
No VSS assembly DTCs P0502 or P0503.
No TCC solenoid valve DTC P0740.
No TCC stuck ON DTC P0742.
No 1-2 SS valve DTC P0753.
No 2-3 SS valve DTC P0758.
No 3-2 SS valve assembly DTC P0785.
No TFP manual valve position switch DTC P1810.
No TCC PWM solenoid valve DTC P1860.
The engine speed is greater than 450 RPM for 5 seconds.
The engine is not in fuel cutoff.
The TP angle is 10-35%.
The TP angle is constant +/-5%.
The gear range is D4.
The transmission fluid temperature is 20-130°C (68-266°F).
The PCM commands a 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shift.
The TCC is commanded ON.
The vehicle speed is greater than 8 km/h (5 mph).
Conditions for Setting the DTC
DTC P0751 sets if the following conditions occur three times:
Within 2 seconds, the engine speed in 2nd gear is 80 RPM greater than the last speed in 1st gear.
Within 2 seconds, the engine speed in 3rd gear is 50 RPM less than the last speed in 2nd gear.
Within 2 seconds, the engine speed in 4th gear is 10 RPM greater than the last speed in 3rd gear.
All of the above conditions are met and one of the following conditions occurs:
Condition 1
The speed ratio is 0.95 to 1.2 (speed ratio is engine speed divided by transmission output speed).
The TCC slip speed is 200-1000 RPM for 4 seconds.
Condition 2
The speed ratio is 0.65 to 0.8.
The TCC slip speed is -20 to +40 RPM for 4 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL).
The PCM commands D2 line pressure.
The PCM inhibits 3-2 downshifts if the vehicle speed is greater than 48 km/h (30 mph).
The PCM freezes shift adapts from being updated.
The PCM records the operating conditions when the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. The PCM stores this information as Freeze Frame and Failure Records.
The PCM stores DTC P0751 in PCM history.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
The PCM turns OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test runs and passes.
A scan tool can clear the MIL/DTC.
The PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without an emission-related diagnostic fault occurring.
The PCM cancels the DTC default actions when the fault no longer exists and/or the ignition switch is OFF long enough in order to power down the PCM.
Diagnostic Aids
Verify that the transmission meets the specifications in the Shift Speed table.
Other internal transmission failures may cause more than one shift to occur.
Refer to the Shift Solenoid Valve State and Gear Ratio table.
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
This step tests that the PCM commanded all shifts, that all shift solenoid valves responded correctly, but that all the shifts did not occur.
DTC P0751 1-2 SS Valve Performance (5.7L) Step
Action
Value(s)
Yes
No
1
Did you perform the Powertrain Diagnostic System Check?
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Go to Step 2
Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check in Engine Controls
2
Install a Scan Tool .
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Important: Before clearing the DTC, use the Scan Tool in order to record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records. Using the Clear Info function erases the Freeze Frame and Failure Records from the PCM.
Record the DTC Freeze Frame and Failure Records.
Clear the DTC.
Drive the vehicle in D4 range under the following conditions: Accelerate the vehicle, ensuring that the PCM commands 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.
Did you detect a 1-1-4-4 or 2-2-3-3 shift pattern?
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Go to Step 3
Go to Diagnostic Aids
3
Check the shift solenoid/hydraulic circuit for the following conditions:
• An internal malfunction.
• Damaged seals on the shift solenoid valve. Refer to Shift Solenoid Leak Test .
Did you find and correct the condition?
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Go to Step 4
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4
Perform the following procedure in order to verify the repair:
Select DTC.
Select Clear Info.
Drive the vehicle in D4 under the following conditions (only if traffic and road conditions permit):
- Hold the throttle at 20% and accelerate to 88 km/h (55 mph).
- If the throttle moves more than 5%, stop the vehicle and start over.
Select Specific DTC.
Enter DTC P0751.
Has the test run and passed?
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System OK
Go to Step 1
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Document ID# 540462
2000 Chevrolet/Geo Camaro
03-28-2005, 02:04 PM
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haha once again helpin me out charlie... So those shift solenoids can actually make your car downshift weird and stuff? I looked it up and nobody really complained about them acting weird.. just kept getting annoying codes.. so i wasn't sure if it had any symptoms along with the code.. Thanks man!
03-28-2005, 02:38 PM
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no problem, just get the solenoid and harness.its easy to replace you should be able to do it yourself.this weather is awsume today i need to get some m/t drag radials and than well see what we can do in flint town this year 
