Street Racing & Kill Stories - ZR1 vs 911 Turbo

Still digging around in my old files and found a copy of this story that I did a few years ago. Sure brings back some memories and good times.
It was kinda weird to have two races at that high a speed.....

Am I admitting I got wooped? You guys can be the judge.
I'll try to relate as best I can.

I didn't go looking for this race but I couldn't help myself.
It just happened.
Two races in one year. A record for me.

My youngest brother is pretty good with sheet metal and he had
constructed a new ram air intake mounted underneath and next to the
radiator inlet. Almost in front of the right front wheel.
The reason? Well the reason was I was stopped by one of the State boys
and given a ticket for no front license plate even though it was
displayed in the right front window.
I was using the original location of the front license plate as the new
ram air inlet and I guess they didn't like it.
The truth? The truth was that perhaps my attitude got me the ticket.
Be that as it may, we started to test my ZR1 with this new ram air
concoction on a high speed run.

With a bigger inlet, I noticed an increase in power at a much lower
speed than the front license plate inlet provided.
Well, we had just come out of a restaurant and were over looking under
the ZR1 at the new air inlet and checking clearance and the mounting
brackets before the next run when this young fellow pulls up next to us
in the parking lot in a Black, 911S Turbo.
My brother says, "I know this kid, his Dad is a pretty big farm operator".

The young fellow says, "you guys having problems"?

No, says I, we're just leaving for home.
The guy asks, "didn't this year vette come with a 300 hp
350"?
I said "yes, they did".
He asks, "are you running a 350"?
I say "yes, I am".
"Well, he says, how would you like to try your vette against a really
fast car"?
I said,
"Aww, you'ed cream me easy in that thing".

He say's it would be just for fun but he wanted to do a rolling start so
that he didn't do a number on his expensive tires.

"Well, what speed did you want to race to"? I asked.
He says to me, "you'll know", and smiles.
I scratch my head.
My brother shrugs and says "be carfull" and heads down the highway to
his favorite overpass to keep watch.

The kid says he'll honk his horn 5 times and then we go.
I nodded and hop in the car and follow him out to the onramp wondering
what I got myself into.
But, Heck, I really just wanted to see this thing go. It really was a
beautiful car. The kid says his old man paid
160 grand for it.
I don't know, that seems pretty steep, allot more than my wife spent on
my Vette, that's for sure.
Well, we wait by the side of the road for the traffic to pass by and
then my brother gives me the "all clear" on the two way.
No traffic to speak of....I check my radar detector and make sure it's
adjusted for "high pork".
We roll out side by side and parallel each other around 20 mph.
Honk, Honk, Honk, Honk, POW!!! Off the kid goes. The SOB, I thought, he
went on 4.
Not that it mattered. I got a great launch from 20mph but the kid jumped
out ahead of me by at least three car lengths and then started pulling
away from me even though I was giving it every thing I had.

By the time we reached 110mph, he was five car length's ahead of
me....WOW!!
In the quarter mile, I would be distroyed.
Well, It wasn't that bad. At 130mph, he stopped pulling away and I
started gaining, very slowly.
It wasn't until we got to about 140 that the gap started to close allot
faster. Man, I was going nuts.

At just under 160 mph, my front was about even with the back of his car.
All of a sudden, I see the kids emergency flashers come on and he starts
to decelerate.
I think perhaps he hit something or that something went wrong.
I decelerate and fall in behind him and we get off at the next exit.
It was the one my bro was waiting on and he backs down the exit to see
what happened.

I get out of my car and walk up to the 911 and say,

"Damn, that was fun". "Hey, I said, what happened"?

The kid says, you got your ass wipped Old Timer, that's what happened.

I chuckle and look to see if he has any rear view mirrors.
I smile and say, "Ok, it was a blast".

The kid says, "well, thanks for the race, I'm out".
He pulls out and damn near runs over my brothers toes and heads down the
ramp.

My brother excited as hell, says, "did you beat him"?

I watched the 911 disappear North bound and just looked at my bro and
said "I'm not sure".

Well, we turn around and head back to the restaurant to discuss the race
and on the way back my bro is trying to get me to race him in his F150
truck.
Man, I was laughing so hard I thought I was gonna stroke out.
Well, was that a weird race or what? (the 911)

Was it mean of me to let him leave thinking he raced a 300 hp Vette? I
don't run any stickers or badges.
I didn't lie to him and I didn't try to BS him.
He just seemed to have answers for all of his own questions.

Win lose or draw, It was fun to see the 911 do it's thing up close and I
admit I was a little envious.
It sure would be great to be in my early twenties and have that kind of
money and car.

Don't worry, though, I am counting my blessings and there are plenty to count.

Dogtag.

Very badass story. I think you would've started pulling him pretty hard the faster you two went, from what I hear and read, those ZR-1's haul ass up top... :)

Good story.

hahahahahaha "high pork"
u should write books or short story collections. good death/kill

hahahahahaha "high pork"
u should write books or short story collections. good death/kill


I would certainly read them... :judge:

Yeah keep posting these stories man they're awesome :)

good kill/death lol

Nice story, you should have ran him from a higher roll and more than one time. I have always respected ZR1's. Can you post some pictures?? Keep the stories comming!!

Those early 90's zr1's were no joke!! My buddy had one in college, I think his was 405hp.Got back from the first "desert storm" I got a slap on the back, he got a new Vette!!. Great story

I ran a modified ZR1 a year ago (the guy calls his car "Pitbull"). He asked for 4 cars. There was no money involved so I accepted. I made up the 4 cars by the 1/8 mile and pulled him by several cars before we shut down.

996TTx50

I ran a modified ZR1 a year ago (the guy calls his car "Pitbull"). He asked for 4 cars. There was no money involved so I accepted. I made up the 4 cars by the 1/8 mile and pulled him by several cars before we shut down.

996TTx50


Hey! Nice to see ya over here on this somewhat more civilized board.

Hey! Nice to see ya over here on this somewhat more civilized board.

Thanks Charlie.

Why does my post count remain at zero even though I have made approximately five posts?

996TTx50

Thanks Charlie.

Why does my post count remain at zero even though I have made approximately five posts?

996TTx50


Posts in the Racer's Lounge or Kills forums don't count. They only count "Useful" posts I've posted here literally hundreds of times and ya see my count.

I ran a modified ZR1 a year ago (the guy calls his car "Pitbull"). He asked for 4 cars. There was no money involved so I accepted. I made up the 4 cars by the 1/8 mile and pulled him by several cars before we shut down.

996TTx50

hmm, it sounds like "modified" maybe = a muffler? I'm not really sure on the exact specs of a 996TT but to make up 4 cars by the 1/8 mile is pretty impressive.

Dogtag, good story. I think you were way too nice though. I would have said "I got whipped?? You took off before me and when you decided to shut down I was right at your rear bumper so please explain exactly how I got whipped" while laughing.

hmm, it sounds like "modified" maybe = a muffler? I'm not really sure on the exact specs of a 996TT but to make up 4 cars by the 1/8 mile is pretty impressive.
I do not recall what his mods were, but I was told that it was more than merely a muffler. It was a serious car. He was considered the fastest of the street racers in his area (Oxnard).

BTW, my car is also modified, so specs for a 996TT are not relevant.

996TTx50 (Modified)

996TTx50 is or was a regular over at SVTPerf and his car is far from stock.

Ok well what the heck is the purpose of him coming in here and posting this...

I ran a modified ZR1 a year ago (the guy calls his car "Pitbull"). He asked for 4 cars. There was no money involved so I accepted. I made up the 4 cars by the 1/8 mile and pulled him by several cars before we shut down.

...and failing to mention that he is highly modded??


So what all does he have done to it, what are his dyno numbers and or track times? Curious to hear about a car that can put 4 cars by the 1/8th on a highly modded Zr1 which was considered the fastest car in the area. His car would have to be insanely quick.

I know many cars with TT that can make that up... An LS1 can do it with a single turbo. The question is... What did the vette have done???

Performance Mods on the 996TT: Ultimate Motorworks Stage V Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegates * RUF exhaust * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GIAC...

I don’t have an accurate list of the mods I had at the time of the above-referenced race with the ZR1, but they included upgraded/modified turbos, programming, exhaust, headers, intake, suspension, etc.

Currently, my mods include:

Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage VII Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegate actuators * RUF exhaust * EVO MS fuel kit, including Bosch/Siemens 720cc injectors, Bosch high pressure pump, billet rails and stainless steel lines * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GT2 intercoolers with SG custom modified end tanks and piping * SG custom aluminum Y-pipe * 996NA throttle body * SG custom intake plenum * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * EVO MS V-Flow intake box * EVO MS Silicone Boost Hose Kit * Bailey diverter valves * Carrillo rods * IA 8740 alloy, coated head studs * IA upgraded, coated valve springs * GT3 oil pump * Custom GIAC programming (1.6+ bar, 100 octane) * Shuffle pinned case * Ceramic coated piston tops * Dry lubed rods and skirts * JRZ double adjustable racing dampers and springs * TPC front and rear sway bars (24 mm/30 mm) * TPC adjustable drop links * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes with cross drilled rotors * Brembo wheel carriers * Brembo stainless steel brake lines * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5/8.5) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315/235) * 2004 spark plugs

Non-Performance Mods: Tech-Art Type II front bumper * GT2 rear wing * Carbon fiber side vent splitters * SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Chrome lug bolts * Bumper plugs (front bumper and driver's keyhole) * Rear wiper delete and plug * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows

I do not have any HP/TQ figures or track times at present.

Why do I post here . . . because I am a great lover of American muscle, including the awesome LS1, and I enjoy reading and sharing kill stories with fellow enthusiasts who have the moxie to line up against another car and go for it!

996TTx50

Why do I post here .

That wasn't my question.

Anyhow, your car sounds pretty amazing! Thats definitely one hell of a street machine you got there. insert envy. :)

Hell, I'd line up against him just to see it go.

So this is what you have to do to a 996TT to beat a ZR1?

Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage VII Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegate actuators * RUF exhaust * EVO MS fuel kit, including Bosch/Siemens 720cc injectors, Bosch high pressure pump, billet rails and stainless steel lines * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GT2 intercoolers with SG custom modified end tanks and piping * SG custom aluminum Y-pipe * 996NA throttle body * SG custom intake plenum * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * EVO MS V-Flow intake box * EVO MS Silicone Boost Hose Kit * Bailey diverter valves * Carrillo rods * IA 8740 alloy, coated head studs * IA upgraded, coated valve springs * GT3 oil pump * Custom GIAC programming (1.6+ bar, 100 octane) * Shuffle pinned case * Ceramic coated piston tops * Dry lubed rods and skirts * JRZ double adjustable racing dampers and springs * TPC front and rear sway bars (24 mm/30 mm) * TPC adjustable drop links * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes with cross drilled rotors * Brembo wheel carriers * Brembo stainless steel brake lines * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5/8.5) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315/235) * 2004 spark plugs

I tried to buy a ZR1 before I bought my hawk. I couldn't put down enough money for the bank to make the loan on a 10 year old car. Those things in good condition are still in the 20K range, too much for my lil ol savings account. But still an awsome car. I believe they were the first vette to ever hit 180mph, other than the sledgehammer-which doesn't count. But again, nice story dogtag.

So this is what you have to do to a 996TT to beat a ZR1?
LOL!! Hardly. A STOCK 996TT will beat a stock ZR1 by amost a full second: http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm .

The ZR1 I raced was Modified and I raped it with FAR less mods than I currently have.

996TTx50

good story, my only crit is when you do this.....

"Hey, I said, what happened"?

It should be, "Hey", I said, "what happened"?

not sure if both commas still belong im no major :)

LOL!! Hardly. A STOCK 996TT will beat a stock ZR1 by amost a full second: http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm .

The ZR1 I raced was Modified and I raped it with FAR less mods than I currently have.

996TTx50


for the love of jesus PLEASE post pictures of your car! :hail:

Gee, I wonder if the poor old LS1 stands to ever compete with superior
German engineering.
http://www.redlineperformanceonline.com/ls1.htm

Makes me wonder what the new series of Gen lll's will do with this treatment as
well.
Picture an LS7TT in a Miata :D

LOL!! Hardly. A STOCK 996TT will beat a stock ZR1 by amost a full second: http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm .

The ZR1 I raced was Modified and I raped it with FAR less mods than I currently have.

996TTx50

11.86 @ 119. Not too bad, but that car costs $150k when new. I know that you still have a $150k porsche but its nice to know that just by adding heads and a cam on our $20k cars we can beat one and thats NA :cheers:

Can I just say that website may be accurate with ETs but not with HP figures. They admit that the Hemi produced more than advertised, but not the ZL1?? The ZL1 had just as much as the Hemi.

Doesn't anyone else find it amazing that today we have trouble getting production cars in stock form below 13, but back then they had a couple running in the 10s- and it would only be the equivalent of a $40,000 or so car now? Man. . . I want a ZL1. . .

Gee, I wonder if the poor old LS1 stands to ever compete with superior
German engineering.
http://www.redlineperformanceonline.com/ls1.htm

Makes me wonder what the new series of Gen lll's will do with this treatment as
well.
Picture an LS7TT in a Miata :D

If your point is that LS1s have more upside potential, there is no doubt about it. LS1s can be made MUCH faster than any 3.6l Porsche . . . and for MUCH less money.

DogTag, I sense that you have misinterpreted my comments. I never intended to argue that a Porsche is better than a LS1, or vice versa, and I certainly was not disparaging LS1s or ZR1s. They are completely different cars, with completely differents pros and cons. I was merely describing my one race with a modified ZR1. With some turbos and the right tuning, a ZR1 should be far faster than my car.

996TTx50

11.86 @ 119. Not too bad, but that car costs $150k when new. I know that you still have a $150k porsche but its nice to know that just by adding heads and a cam on our $20k cars we can beat one and thats NA :cheers:

KB, there is no doubt that a LS1 is a far better value than a Porsche. With a LS1, you get much more for your money . . . and much greater upside potential.

Ps: 11.86 @ 119 is stock. Modified 996TTs are considerably faster. You will need more than heads and cam to beat a modified 996TT. On the other hand, the mods for a 996TT cost a ridiculous amount of money.

996TTx50 :cheers:

Ps: 11.86 @ 119 is stock. Yeah I know.

Modified 996TTs are considerably faster. Well...I would hope so. I just doubt many of them are modified.

You will need more than heads and cam to beat a modified 996TT. Well that would depend on the specific H/C and the specific mods of the 996. I would certainly need more than heads and cam to take out your car specifically, no doubt. Obviously you can mod almost anything enough to beat something else, I was just simply making the point that its cool that it only takes a H/C package for us to be as quick as a $150k Porsche. Certainly didn't mean to take anything away from your car by stating this. Like I indicated before thats obviously one insane street machine you have there.

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? and how much money do you think you have into that Porsche. oh, and how old are you, i assume you are young?

and you cars sounds INCREDIBLE, don't see to many Porsches or exotic cars around here, for instance, i've seen 1 959, maybe 2 996s, a couple at most turbo 911s, two lamborghinis, ten, at most, ferraris, and a couple lotus espirits. IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. If they make a TT911 i don't think i've seen one.

He didnt want to go from a dig because..... HIS TIRES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE??? That is so lame. :bs: If you can afford a 160k vehicle you can afford new tires each week.

I'm not trying to say you would have beat him if you wouldve raced from a stop, but that is a sorry excuse.

Typical Porsche driver... :eyes:

Typical Porsche driver... :eyes:

Not!!! I burn through tires every 4-5 thousand miles . . . and Michelin Pilot Sport Cups ain't cheap. Yet, I continually look for opportunities to transfer additional rubber to the pavement. I don't know any Porsche owners who shy away from hard starts because of tire wear.

Typical domestic driver looking for any opportunity to stereotype Porsche drivers. :eyes:

996TTx50

I don’t have an accurate list of the mods I had at the time of the above-referenced race with the ZR1, but they included upgraded/modified turbos, programming, exhaust, headers, intake, suspension, etc.

Currently, my mods include:

Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage VII Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegate actuators * RUF exhaust * EVO MS fuel kit, including Bosch/Siemens 720cc injectors, Bosch high pressure pump, billet rails and stainless steel lines * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GT2 intercoolers with SG custom modified end tanks and piping * SG custom aluminum Y-pipe * 996NA throttle body * SG custom intake plenum * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * EVO MS V-Flow intake box * EVO MS Silicone Boost Hose Kit * Bailey diverter valves * Carrillo rods * IA 8740 alloy, coated head studs * IA upgraded, coated valve springs * GT3 oil pump * Custom GIAC programming (1.6+ bar, 100 octane) * Shuffle pinned case * Ceramic coated piston tops * Dry lubed rods and skirts * JRZ double adjustable racing dampers and springs * TPC front and rear sway bars (24 mm/30 mm) * TPC adjustable drop links * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes with cross drilled rotors * Brembo wheel carriers * Brembo stainless steel brake lines * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5/8.5) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315/235) * 2004 spark plugs

Non-Performance Mods: Tech-Art Type II front bumper * GT2 rear wing * Carbon fiber side vent splitters * SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Chrome lug bolts * Bumper plugs (front bumper and driver's keyhole) * Rear wiper delete and plug * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows

I do not have any HP/TQ figures or track times at present.

Why do I post here . . . because I am a great lover of American muscle, including the awesome LS1, and I enjoy reading and sharing kill stories with fellow enthusiasts who have the moxie to line up against another car and go for it!

996TTx50


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Still digging around in my old files and found a copy of this story that I did a few years ago. Sure brings back some memories and good times.
It was kinda weird to have two races at that high a speed.....

Am I admitting I got wooped? You guys can be the judge.
I'll try to relate as best I can.

I didn't go looking for this race but I couldn't help myself.
It just happened.
Two races in one year. A record for me.

My youngest brother is pretty good with sheet metal and he had
constructed a new ram air intake mounted underneath and next to the
radiator inlet. Almost in front of the right front wheel.
The reason? Well the reason was I was stopped by one of the State boys
and given a ticket for no front license plate even though it was
displayed in the right front window.
I was using the original location of the front license plate as the new
ram air inlet and I guess they didn't like it.
The truth? The truth was that perhaps my attitude got me the ticket.
Be that as it may, we started to test my ZR1 with this new ram air
concoction on a high speed run.

With a bigger inlet, I noticed an increase in power at a much lower
speed than the front license plate inlet provided.
Well, we had just come out of a restaurant and were over looking under
the ZR1 at the new air inlet and checking clearance and the mounting
brackets before the next run when this young fellow pulls up next to us
in the parking lot in a Black, 911S Turbo.
My brother says, "I know this kid, his Dad is a pretty big farm operator".

The young fellow says, "you guys having problems"?

No, says I, we're just leaving for home.
The guy asks, "didn't this year vette come with a 300 hp
350"?
I said "yes, they did".
He asks, "are you running a 350"?
I say "yes, I am".
"Well, he says, how would you like to try your vette against a really
fast car"?
I said,
"Aww, you'ed cream me easy in that thing".

He say's it would be just for fun but he wanted to do a rolling start so
that he didn't do a number on his expensive tires.

"Well, what speed did you want to race to"? I asked.
He says to me, "you'll know", and smiles.
I scratch my head.
My brother shrugs and says "be carfull" and heads down the highway to
his favorite overpass to keep watch.

The kid says he'll honk his horn 5 times and then we go.
I nodded and hop in the car and follow him out to the onramp wondering
what I got myself into.
But, Heck, I really just wanted to see this thing go. It really was a
beautiful car. The kid says his old man paid
160 grand for it.
I don't know, that seems pretty steep, allot more than my wife spent on
my Vette, that's for sure.
Well, we wait by the side of the road for the traffic to pass by and
then my brother gives me the "all clear" on the two way.
No traffic to speak of....I check my radar detector and make sure it's
adjusted for "high pork".
We roll out side by side and parallel each other around 20 mph.
Honk, Honk, Honk, Honk, POW!!! Off the kid goes. The SOB, I thought, he
went on 4.
Not that it mattered. I got a great launch from 20mph but the kid jumped
out ahead of me by at least three car lengths and then started pulling
away from me even though I was giving it every thing I had.

By the time we reached 110mph, he was five car length's ahead of
me....WOW!!
In the quarter mile, I would be distroyed.
Well, It wasn't that bad. At 130mph, he stopped pulling away and I
started gaining, very slowly.
It wasn't until we got to about 140 that the gap started to close allot
faster. Man, I was going nuts.

At just under 160 mph, my front was about even with the back of his car.
All of a sudden, I see the kids emergency flashers come on and he starts
to decelerate.
I think perhaps he hit something or that something went wrong.
I decelerate and fall in behind him and we get off at the next exit.
It was the one my bro was waiting on and he backs down the exit to see
what happened.

I get out of my car and walk up to the 911 and say,

"Damn, that was fun". "Hey, I said, what happened"?

The kid says, you got your ass wipped Old Timer, that's what happened.

I chuckle and look to see if he has any rear view mirrors.
I smile and say, "Ok, it was a blast".

The kid says, "well, thanks for the race, I'm out".
He pulls out and damn near runs over my brothers toes and heads down the
ramp.

My brother excited as hell, says, "did you beat him"?

I watched the 911 disappear North bound and just looked at my bro and
said "I'm not sure".

Well, we turn around and head back to the restaurant to discuss the race
and on the way back my bro is trying to get me to race him in his F150
truck.
Man, I was laughing so hard I thought I was gonna stroke out.
Well, was that a weird race or what? (the 911)

Was it mean of me to let him leave thinking he raced a 300 hp Vette? I
don't run any stickers or badges.
I didn't lie to him and I didn't try to BS him.
He just seemed to have answers for all of his own questions.

Win lose or draw, It was fun to see the 911 do it's thing up close and I
admit I was a little envious.
It sure would be great to be in my early twenties and have that kind of
money and car.

Don't worry, though, I am counting my blessings and there are plenty to count.

Dogtag.

Damn, that's a great story. I had to read it again it was so good, lol. :offtopic: