New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - Trans Am OR Ws6

i was wondering how much of a price difference could you find from a 01-02 ws6 to trans am? ive been looking and it seems to be alot cheaper for a trans am. but the only real reason why i would want the ws6 is for of course the hood, but could u buy a hood from like gm or something after you bought a trans am? becuase i knw slp sells the h/o hood which is kind of similar
thanks

IIRC you can get the hood from GM, and if not, there are several companies making aftermarket replicas

the aftermarket replica my buddy has actually looks better then my ws6 hood i think

The hood from GM will cost you $1800ish. If I was you I would look into an aftermarket one. They can be had between $500-$800. The WS6 has more to offer than just the hood. We're talking 17x9 wheels and wider tires, better flowing catback, emblems, raised lower airbox to match the "ram air" hood, bigger swaybars, powersteering cooler, supposedly different tuned suspension as far as shocks/springs, and of course the hood. But I agree, the hood is the biggest thing that seperates them. Good luck with your shopping :)

i bought a TA, with the thought of eventually getting a hood. The only advantage ive had with not having a ws6 is that people automatically (ricers) think its slow and try to mess with you. little do they know its a 10 hp difference, which can easily be made up and then some with lid, exhaust, headers and TB. this isnt really an advantage to not getting the ws6, but its sort of a plus.

If u want the prestige of the ws6 TA, then get it. It gets alot more respect than TA's do, from my personal exp.

i bought a TA, with the thought of eventually getting a hood. The only advantage ive had with not having a ws6 is that people automatically (ricers) think its slow and try to mess with you. little do they know its a 10 hp difference, which can easily be made up and then some with lid, exhaust, headers and TB. this isnt really an advantage to not getting the ws6, but its sort of a plus.

If u want the prestige of the ws6 TA, then get it. It gets alot more respect than TA's do, from my personal exp.
Yeah, I had the same problem. Without the hood, everybody always said it was a Firebird. Even if I reved it, :Oh you have Flowmaster on there, big deal." IMO, makes it that much more of a sleeper. I think you should buy a TA and with the extra money convert it to a WS7, if you want the hood. If a hood is not a necessity, buy the TA and add some HP.

when i first got my t/a i put a flowmaster on it (still have) everything stock. I got a street race with a prelude and he thought that my car was a v6 with exhaust. untill I killed him in the race. Dumb ricers just because you don't have a ram air hood they think your car is a slow v6. I like the sleeper look. Now the way my car looks and sounds i can't even get a street race. Oh well so much for the sleeper look.

Yeah, I get a lot of "Is is a Ram-Air?" comments and then the "oh" after I tell them its not. One guy thought that only the ram-air's could get 6 speeds. :rolleyes: Anyways, I used the money I saved by not getting a WS6 to get some mods. I might add a hood later though. As far as the wheels, many change the stockers even if they have the WS6. Just another thing to consider.

The hood from GM will cost you $1800ish. If I was you I would look into an aftermarket one. They can be had between $500-$800. The WS6 has more to offer than just the hood. We're talking 17x9 wheels and wider tires, better flowing catback, emblems, raised lower airbox to match the "ram air" hood, bigger swaybars, powersteering cooler, supposedly different tuned suspension as far as shocks/springs, and of course the hood. But I agree, the hood is the biggest thing that seperates them. Good luck with your shopping :)


Those are some of the other reasons I got the WS6 besides the hood that is...


If you get the TA and do an aftermarket hood you will want to get the air lid as well since it sits about 1 inch higher and was designed for the WS6 ram air hood.

if you plan on extensive modding get the t/a and an aftermarket hood.

:werd: that is what mine has

The hood from GM will cost you $1800ish. If I was you I would look into an aftermarket one. They can be had between $500-$800. The WS6 has more to offer than just the hood. We're talking 17x9 wheels and wider tires, better flowing catback, emblems, raised lower airbox to match the "ram air" hood, bigger swaybars, powersteering cooler, supposedly different tuned suspension as far as shocks/springs, and of course the hood. But I agree, the hood is the biggest thing that seperates them. Good luck with your shopping :)


can you actually feel the differance in handleing ?

i'm pretty sure it pulls a higher g rating on it's specs...but that may be due in part to the fact that it has 275/40/17 tires instead of the 245/?/16's

Ive really had my eye on the Ws6's lately , looking to make the switch..

Ive really had my eye on the Ws6's lately , looking to make the switch..
Why? You already have headers, duals and a twelve bolt invested in this car. It seems like an awful lot of money to go to something that looks different but is the same car in reality.

prolly the reason to make the switch would be to get a better looking car...haha...no offense to camaro owners...i would hope he would trade out the rear and the wheels...if not that is kind of stupid unless you just have lots of money

Yes, the WS-6 looks meaner than the camaros, esp the Z28's. But is it really wroth the time, effort and money? I guess that if you want one badly enough, go for it. I wanted a WS6 when I got my car but they were going for $2k-$3k more which is rediculous. Got a HELLUVA deal on this car anyway. :)

If you plan on converting it to a WS6 anyway, after you pay for the hood and painting and install it, and get the airbox youre probably going to spend as much as or more than the difference in price between the TA and WS6.

Also, it feels good knowing youve got an authentic WS6; at least for me it does.

I have been a T/A boy up until this car. this is only the 2nd 4th gen camaro as opposed to 6 or 7 T/A's. But i like em both, the SS has the curves, but a WS6 looks meaner than all seven circles of hell. i like my SS, mainly because its 6spd. all my t/a's were a4's. But...a ws6 m6 would be a nice edition, but i like the rarity of an SS. IMO its harder to find an SS as opposed to a WS6.

Why? You already have headers, duals and a twelve bolt invested in this car. It seems like an awful lot of money to go to something that looks different but is the same car in reality.


Why?, becuase I like the way Ws6's look man. A 98+ ws6 has the meanest front facsia*spelling* of any other car Ive ever seen. period. :judge:

A 98+ ws6 has the meanest front fascia of any other car Ive ever seen. period. :judge:

:werd:

Why?, becuase I like the way Ws6's look man. A 98+ ws6 has the meanest front facsia*spelling* of any other car Ive ever seen. period. :judge:
Yes it does. Usually when people want one badly enough as you seem to they get a WS6 right off the bat, or never do. They do look mean as hell. :devil:

Usually when people want one badly enough as you seem to they get a WS6 right off the bat, or never do. :
The man is wise. I almost think he's the next buddha

yeah I got a deal on my Z I couldnt pass on thru a friend , dont get me wrong I love the camaro too....

yeah I got a deal on my Z I couldnt pass on thru a friend , dont get me wrong I love the camaro too....

I got a great deal on my Z28. What I really wanted was a black or NBM WS6. Now i fall into the "never will" category b/c it's not worth it to me once I already had an LS1 and I really couldn't pass up the deal I got.

The only advantage ive had with not having a ws6 is that people automatically (ricers) think its slow and try to mess with you. little do they know its a 10 hp difference, which can easily be made up and then some with lid, exhaust, headers and TB.
But, little do they really know that the factory ratings mean essentially nothing and that 10hp difference usually isn't there.

I just bought a used WS6 replica hood that was already painted the color of my TA (NBM). Picked it up for $500.... not bad in my opinion.

hey you only live once, mind as well own the car you want .

hey you only live once. . . And if you're lucky, you go out driving something you love...

Another thing you get with the WS6 is the RPO code... That was worth it for me.

Just what is a "cat - back " and how does it help to give more power
Read the stickies in the new enthusiast section, and read JRP's sig. Seriously.

Just what is a "cat - back " and how does it help to give more power
A cat back is an exhaust replacement from the catalytic conveters back to the tailpipes, hence the term "cat back"
It adds some power by reducing the restriction on the exhaust gas flow

Well i guess the Ws6 it is... but it hard to pass up a big difference for a T/A but hey you get what you pay for. and you only live once, so im gettin what i really want
thanks guys

If you plan to do modding to your car, just get the TA and get a WS6 hood, slap a WS7 badge on the car after you are done modding and call it a day. People see WS6's, but when they see a Ws7, they wonder what the hell it is :devil:


There is one guy on SRTforums 00blackSS4, he was ripping on some guy because he owns a Z28 and not an SS saying stuff like "What, couldn't afford the SS, so you had to get the Z" or "an SS holds its value a z28 doesn't".. stuff like that. If someone ever says that to you if you buy a TA and put the WS6 hood on, punch them in the face. I would.

If you plan to do modding to your car, just get the TA and get a WS6 hood, slap a WS7 badge on the car after you are done modding and call it a day. People see WS6's, but when they see a Ws7, they wonder what the hell it is :devil:


There is one guy on SRTforums 00blackSS4, he was ripping on some guy because he owns a Z28 and not an SS saying stuff like "What, couldn't afford the SS, so you had to get the Z" or "an SS holds its value a z28 doesn't".. stuff like that. If someone ever says that to you if you buy a TA and put the WS6 hood on, punch them in the face. I would.


thats plain old ignorant.I stopped letting that bother me because its sole reason is the dumb fucks dont know any better.

ya but then again i would hate to regret something and if im goin to do it i want exactly what i want, i have no problem with z's or t/a's they are badass but a ws6 is what I want. how much do yall think i could find a 01-02 ws6 for? is around 19 or 20 about average?

I've seen 02 WS6's with very low miles go for about 19-20k on ebay...

When I started looking, I decided I wanted a NBM 01-02 WS6... I now own a 99 Black T/A with the WS6 hood. Would I have liked the NBM? Sure, the WS6 was nice, but didn't make it worth the extra money.. and I'm extremely happy with the choice I made... TA's just look sick in black ;)

Get the WS6 if that's what you want, but make sure you get a good deal and don't get raped... you could probably pick one up in really good shape for 15-17k.

I've seen 02 WS6's with very low miles go for about 19-20k on ebay...

you could probably pick one up in really good shape for 15-17k.


Listen to the man!! :jest:

If you plan to do modding to your car, just get the TA and get a WS6 hood, slap a WS7 badge on the car after you are done modding and call it a day. People see WS6's, but when they see a Ws7, they wonder what the hell it is :devil:


There is one guy on SRTforums 00blackSS4, he was ripping on some guy because he owns a Z28 and not an SS saying stuff like "What, couldn't afford the SS, so you had to get the Z" or "an SS holds its value a z28 doesn't".. stuff like that. If someone ever says that to you if you buy a TA and put the WS6 hood on, punch them in the face. I would.

id just look at that guy and say. you stupid futhermucker...couldnt afford a real sports car? had to buy the neon thatll be worth 9k two years down the road?

fuck it man, any fbod is worth it. whats to bitch about with an LS1?

If you plan to do modding to your car, just get the TA and get a WS6 hood, slap a WS7 badge on the car after you are done modding and call it a day. People see WS6's, but when they see a Ws7, they wonder what the hell it is :devil:....

what the hell is a ws7?

what the hell is a ws7?

umm...basically...(no offense to you guys that got the WS-7 badging)...but if you know cars, youll look at it and go, "that guy is wishing that im an idiot." it basically means nothing, its a badge for people who dont have ws6 and add a ws6 hood (in short)

WS7 is a way for people to openly admit that they don't have a real WS6. And confuse the shit out of people who don't know. :lol:

Ive really had my eye on the Ws6's lately , looking to make the switch..

good choice :devil:

no offense camaro's.

WS7 is a way for people to openly admit that they don't have a real WS6. And confuse the shit out of people who don't know. :lol:

i love his tact.

good choice :devil:

no offense camaro's.

hey, cant complain man. WS6's are sharp. but i like my SS too

lol. i hate to change the subject but damn i need a carfax but i dont want to pay for it, any one got one?
pm me for the love of god

lol. i hate to change the subject but damn i need a carfax but i dont want to pay for it, any one got one?
pm me for the love of god
Check out the sticky at the very top of the new enthusiasts section.

hey, cant complain man. WS6's are sharp. but i like my SS too

i'm j/k. i view them as the same. I actually was very close to buying a 2000 black SS, but the guy had a orange/yellow/blue flame paint job on it that covered half of the car. It was perfect condition, everything perfect. IMO TA's dont look that good from a side shot, where as an SS looks badass, especially sittin on the 17x9.5-11 setup.

I was looking to get a C5 when I saw a black WS6 and black C5 staging on the freeway. As luck would have it, the last dealership I pass on my way home had a 2k WS6 on the lot...

for what its worth I see a lot more 98+ WS6's than T/A's around here.

Brad

ya i thoughtt the carfax thing was done with or the guy quit doing it in the sticky?

Diolar - that pic in your sig is, um, cool? :D

Its cool to see so many loyal F-body fans even if we are pretty split between camaros and firebirds. I personally think the camaros have a meaner looking front because of the exposed headlights, but to each their own.

Diolar - that pic in your sig is, um, cool? :D


Where'd she go?

Added the suncoast hood and air assembly for 600 bucks. I got lucky, as it was all ready painted white.

for what its worth I see a lot more 98+ WS6's than T/A's around here.

Brad

Same here. The regular ol' TA seems to be more rare.

Same here. The regular ol' TA seems to be more rare.

yeah +1 havent seen a regular T/A in a couple months

im still kicking my father in the ass for selling 1 of 10 maple red metallic vert (regular t/a, maple red could not be had on WS6) :bang: :twak: :nutkick:

i used to be all about the ws6 but regular t/a's, especially from the later years are really growin on me, i believe in 02 it was 3 to 1 ratio of WS6's made to T/A's. so 1 in 4 t/a's is a regular.

I have gone back and forth between z28's, ss's, trans am's and ws6's. For me it just depends on how the car is done. I think I like the looks of all of them about equally. They all can look really good, just different. :drive:

Buy a FIREHAWK, you'll be hard pressed to see another on the streets, The small ram air scoops make it look almost like a reg TA, plus with the IROC spoiler many people think its a firebird, so its kinda a sleeper. MY $0.02

if were goin for rarity, fuck, just buy a blackbird, thats something youd be really hard pressed to find.

if were goin for rarity, fuck, just buy a blackbird, thats something youd be really hard pressed to find.

what's a blackbird?

whats the specs on firehawks , 385 hp pops into my head am I wrong ?

whats the specs on firehawks , 385 hp pops into my head am I wrong ?

The 385hp is the blackbird, i think that the highest firehawk option was 345hp, underrated of course, pooter..where/who widened your rear wheels?

GMMG------>http://www.gmmginc.net/html/blackbird.html does the Blackbird. And T/As/Z/28s came with 245/50/16 wheels.

what's a blackbird?

blackbirds were made by carl black pontiac. they had a lot of upgrades that gave em 385 horse, or some had more, up to 415 i believe. they have torq thrust II wheels on em (bullet style), lowered, gmmg exhaust. if you want to see one. click on the GMMG link in the sponsers on the right or go to www.gmmginc.net and look up at the top and there will be a dropdown that says "the cars" or something along that line, and click on blackbird and itll show ya.

blackbirds were made by carl black pontiac. they had a lot of upgrades that gave em 385 horse, or some had more, up to 415 i believe. they have torq thrust II wheels on em (bullet style), lowered, gmmg exhaust. if you want to see one. click on the GMMG link in the sponsers on the right or go to www.gmmginc.net and look up at the top and there will be a dropdown that says "the cars" or something along that line, and click on blackbird and itll show ya.

I gave him the link just above your post :judge:

looks like the blackbird has the bg ram air, new air lid, and chambered exhaust as far as performance goes. that nets 380 hp?

its got more than that, its been tweaked with in the engine, not sure what, but it has been, ask someone wiser than I. lol

how many blackbirds are around ?

i dont have the exact number. just know NOT VERY MANY. far less than firehawks.

how many blackbirds are around ?

anyone who knows half a shit wanna give us an answer?

yeah +1 havent seen a regular T/A in a couple months


Same goes for camaros. There are more SS's than Z's where I live.

i dont have the exact number. just know NOT VERY MANY. far less than firehawks.

Blackbirds are limited like the Berger SS camaro which have 375 or 385hp, forget exactly.

I got my 02 WS6 M6 for 31,575

oh that wasnt the question...lol...im a dumbass

Blackbirds are limited like the Berger SS camaro which have 375 or 385hp, forget exactly.

385 is the lowest but ive seen some blackbirds that say "415" where they say "385" on the stripe. but it was a blackbird, it wasnt some impersenator. usually to find a blackbird you have to be in georgia or around that location.

yeah it's always fun going down to berger and test-driving the berger ss's. wow is all i gotta say.
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You can get the WS6 hood for about $600 and the raised airbox runs $100. Painting will be about $250 and you should be able to install it yourself. So the TA will look like a WS6 for about $1100 after you add some shipping costs. Since most WS6's cost 2-4K more then a regular TA it is definately cheaper to go this route as long as the smaller rims and lack of badge do not bother you.

I personally don't like the WS7 badge. But that's just me.

You can get the WS6 hood for about $600 and the raised airbox runs $100. Painting will be about $250 and you should be able to install it yourself. So the TA will look like a WS6 for about $1100 after you add some shipping costs. Since most WS6's cost 2-4K more then a regular TA it is definately cheaper to go this route as long as the smaller rims and lack of badge do not bother you.

I personally don't like the WS7 badge. But that's just me.

you're not including all the other upgrades that come w/ the ws6 that contribute to the 2-4k extra.

i was wondering how much of a price difference could you find from a 01-02 ws6 to trans am? ive been looking and it seems to be alot cheaper for a trans am. but the only real reason why i would want the ws6 is for of course the hood, but could u buy a hood from like gm or something after you bought a trans am? becuase i knw slp sells the h/o hood which is kind of similar
thanks
If the only reason you want a WS6 is for the hood then buy a T/A. I always used to buy cars and then try to turn them into what I really wanted, only to be disappointed. That is why I bought a WS6. I dont need to "turn" it into anything...

correction on the blackbird HP. 380 and im still not sure what the next number up is.

Good stuff...its a fight between people making excuses to themselves for not buying a WS6 or SS and people who paid the extra 2-4 grand for a WS6 or SS but realized you really dont need to...the bottom line is we all have f-bodies and despite what we paid or what badges we have, we all kick ass.

Good stuff...its a fight between people making excuses to themselves for not buying a WS6 or SS and people who paid the extra 2-4 grand for a WS6 or SS but realized you really dont need to...
The short version of what's been going on for five pages now. :judge:
I keep seeing this stupid thread on my user control panel, read it once every few days or so but don't really follow anymore...

you're not including all the other upgrades that come w/ the ws6 that contribute to the 2-4k extra.

But those other upgrades are only worth while to people who are keeping relatively stock anyway. For them it still might be worth it. For those of us who are going to build for drag racing we are going to upgrade suspension, get bigger rims in the back, skinnies up front and probably lose the front sway bar as well as any other weight reduction we can think of. So for us the best bet is to save the 2-4K and only get the hood.

Good stuff...its a fight between people making excuses to themselves for not buying a WS6 or SS and people who paid the extra 2-4 grand for a WS6 or SS but realized you really dont need to...the bottom line is we all have f-bodies and despite what we paid or what badges we have, we all kick ass.

:werd: