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Heads, 10 CFM difference equals how much rwhp?

Old 05-15-2005, 04:30 AM
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Default Heads, 10 CFM difference equals how much rwhp?

Let's say you have two identical engines, but the heads on one of them flow 10 CFM more on both the intake & exhaust. How much additional rwhp is that engine going to make?
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at what lift point? and all honestly that 10cfm will mostly like be a wash when you strap an intake to the head.
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From what I have been told, for every 1 percent increase in cfm, there is a POTENTIAL 10 hp.
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Originally Posted by xxxhp
Let's say you have two identical engines, but the heads on one of them flow 10 CFM more on both the intake & exhaust. How much additional rwhp is that engine going to make?
If the engine needs the extra flow or can use it in terms of rpm or engine size then on a pump gas engine you will often see about 2 hp per cfm at 28 inches. On a more efficient race engine with all the bells and whistles you can make even more hp and TQ out of the same volume of air. It's all relative as if the head is too big you may even lose power. If you had a 302 and you had a 200cc head that went 320 cfm it would probably make more power everywhere than a 300cc head that went 400 cfm because the bigger head wouldn't even get into a normal velocity range until the rpm zone thet pushrod engines hardly work in anyway! Now you put both those heads on a 450 inch small block and the 400 cfm head will haul ***! There's more than just flow numbers but if the heads are both well designed then the flow will matter provided the engine actually needs it or can use it all up.
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Originally Posted by racer7088
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It's all relative as if the head is too big you may even lose power. If you had a 302 and you had a 200cc head that went 320 cfm it would probably make more power everywhere than a 300cc head that went 400 cfm because the bigger head wouldn't even get into a normal velocity range until the rpm zone thet pushrod engines hardly work in anyway!
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There's more than just flow numbers but if the heads are both well designed then the flow will matter provided the engine actually needs it or can use it all up.
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Don't tell Jay Allen that!!!!!

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Almost thought I was reading @ Hardcore 5.0
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Almost thought I was reading @ Hardcore 5.0
What???!!?? this isn't HC50?

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Nope. That magazine blows.
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Nope. That magazine blows.
One should not pre-judge without knowledge.

HC50 "used to be" a damned good site until one of the new "sponsors" started dictating "what" should be said and "who" should be able to say it.

Wait... is this now a trend on all sites???

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Originally Posted by EDC
One should not pre-judge without knowledge.

HC50 "used to be" a damned good site until one of the new "sponsors" started dictating "what" should be said and "who" should be able to say it.

Wait... is this now a trend on all sites???

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$$$ talks...

Which is why Erik needs to hurry up and become a sponsor on there!!! Then, like Don said, Erik can have people wacked. LMAO!
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Originally Posted by EDC
Geez Erik...

Don't tell Jay Allen that!!!!!

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with all this said, what is the ideal CFM range (intake/exhaust) a stock lower end LS1 performs best at? ....going to .600 lift...
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Don't tell Jay Allen that!!!!!

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Mustang 5.0 is a magazine. I used to browse through it while watching TV years ago but got bored after a while with the run on sentences that didn't make sense.
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Originally Posted by 98t56TA
Mustang 5.0 is a magazine. I used to browse through it while watching TV years ago but got bored after a while with the run on sentences that didn't make sense.

HC50 = www.hardcore50.com

"not" a magazine...

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Originally Posted by xxxhp
Let's say you have two identical engines, but the heads on one of them flow 10 CFM more on both the intake & exhaust. How much additional rwhp is that engine going to make?
Erik answered the question best: On a fully developed motor with optimized intake and exhaust and ideal cam timing, you'll see 2 hp for every 1 cfm increase. However, since most LSX motors are not optimized to this point, realistically, you'll see around 1-1.5 rwhp increase for every 1 cfm increase. If you get heads that flow 10 cfm more and have similar air speed, you should see 10-15 more horsepower to the tires. Does that answer your question?
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Erik answered the question best: On a fully developed motor with optimized intake and exhaust and ideal cam timing, you'll see 2 hp for every 1 cfm increase. However, since most LSX motors are not optimized to this point, realistically, you'll see around 1-1.5 rwhp increase for every 1 cfm increase. If you get heads that flow 10 cfm more and have similar air speed, you should see 10-15 more horsepower to the tires. Does that answer your question?
YES . Thanks everyone for the info


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