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raginazn616
05-16-2005, 08:15 PM
what advantages or disadvantages does removing the front swaybar have? i've seen it and/or heard about it a few times on here but haven't caught why people do it. thanks~

pimpmaro
05-16-2005, 08:32 PM
Drag racers do it in order to take weight off the front end in order to help the front to rear weight transfer. The problem is that doing so turns your car's handling into that of a large boat.

raginazn616
05-16-2005, 08:43 PM
haha, alright, thanks

Jeffs99SS
05-16-2005, 09:03 PM
I took mine off about a month ago. Street driving isn't all that bad, but I still have 285 tires on the front. I think with a narrower tire it would be more noticeable. The front end definately lifts harder, though. For now it's staying off.

pimpmaro
05-16-2005, 10:30 PM
Have you encountered any emergency maneuvering situations on the street without it? That will make you wish you had it.

GM Muscle
05-17-2005, 06:22 AM
If you have a stiff enough shock and spring combo up front it's not bad at all. Last fall I had a peice of fire wood fall out of a truck infront of me on the highway and I had to cut the wheel quick. The car handled the situation much better than expected. I though for sure I was going the break one of my 15x3.5 Prostars.

99Hawk262
05-17-2005, 11:55 AM
How do you remove it? This may be a no-brainer, but any special info needed?

absolut_speed
05-17-2005, 12:52 PM
How do you remove it? This may be a no-brainer, but any special info needed?

installuniversity.com. It's very easy. If you don't dink around, it's less than a half-hour from the time you slide the jack under the car.

Tally TransAm
05-17-2005, 01:19 PM
ive had mine off daily driving for 3 years and will not put it back on

GM Muscle
05-17-2005, 02:46 PM
How do you remove it? This may be a no-brainer, but any special info needed?

Yep, it's simple. The ends links will more that likely snap when coming off if your car has seen any water.

jdustu
05-18-2005, 11:40 AM
i never bothered putting one on the front when i bought my car last year(it didn't have front or rears) i talked to one guy whose owned and (drag)raced a bunch of 4th gen fbodies and he was saying with some setups he got enough traction that he ran faster without the rear as well....my rear eibach bar helped a ton though.....anyways, i've had to make quick evasive manuvers and the car handles fine(kyb 8ways and eibach sportlines 16/245 nittos 455s in front)......the only time it got a little loose feeling was racing a cobra and an srt-10 quad cab past 120mph through the curves on 696.....that's not something i do too much of though, everyday driving is fine....-josh

Raptor99
05-18-2005, 09:05 PM
I only take mine off for the track. It helps A LOT for launching. On the street it's just too damn scary.

pimpmaro
05-19-2005, 02:12 AM
Ok, I'll step back in just to mention one thing that no one else has. Ragin here is 17 and probably does not have the driving skills that GM Muscle does. Regardless of whether or not you can handle this vehicle without a front swaybar is a moot point. However, this kid already has his vehicle dropped, which isn't going to help his 60 ft. time anyway. Removing the front swaybar will be pointless. That being said, would any of you recommend removing a component that has a significant impact on vehicle handling and control on a vehicle driven by a 17 year old? I wouldn't.

(This is by no way intended to be insulting to the original poster... merely factual.)

RaNsOm
05-19-2005, 10:02 AM
I only take mine off for the track. It helps A LOT for launching. On the street it's just too damn scary.
oh come on Nate, live a little. I've had my swaybar off for 8 months now and I drive on Skinnies 24/7 and its not even that bad. Maybe my Eichach springs help a little, but I cant imagine why people say its so terrible in corners

jdustu
05-19-2005, 10:08 AM
yeah, i honestly don't get the "it's so dangerous" posts......my car without the front bar handles better than my 94 ever did with both bars......there are other factors involved, but i'd like to hear from anybody out there who's actually been in an accident because they didn't have a front sway.....if they were, chances are they were driving like an ass anyways......just my opinion, but i'm not buying the danger argument, even for spirited street driving

HBHRacing
05-19-2005, 10:21 AM
mine has been off for 2 years. a STB helps A LOT with flex if you have no sway bar. If you don't hvae that then be carefull on the streets without the bar, but yes a lot of people do it.

pimpmaro
05-19-2005, 11:18 AM
oh come on Nate, live a little. I've had my swaybar off for 8 months now and I drive on Skinnies 24/7 and its not even that bad. Maybe my Eichach springs help a little, but I cant imagine why people say its so terrible in corners

If you have Eibach lowering springs... why the hell would you pull the front swaybar anyway? You've already modified your suspension in a way that's not ideal for drag racing...

jdustu
05-19-2005, 03:55 PM
If you have Eibach lowering springs... why the hell would you pull the front swaybar anyway? You've already modified your suspension in a way that's not ideal for drag racing... my cars lowered 2 inches without an adj t/a and i ran a 12.5 with a 1.8 60' last summer............didn't have a swaybar when i bought it, never put one on.......a little faster now with the ssf 4200http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_devil.gif (as opposed to the stock stall last year).....low and fast and driven every day.....

98 Camaro Z
05-19-2005, 04:02 PM
I've had mine off for about a month now. Before I took it off, I went and found a curve to hang, just so I could see how big of a difference it was going to be. As soon as I got it off, I went right back to that curve and did it again. when I first went into it I could tell it rolled just a little, but it took it with no problem. I've let my friends drive it since then and didn't even know it was off until I told them. It doesn't make a big difference at all. It's just like different cars drive different ways, but once you get use to how a car drives, its no problem. I don't plan on ever putting my back on, my car feels so good leaving the line now, and I only pull low 170 sixty ft. times.

NHRATA01
05-20-2005, 07:48 AM
I take mine off for the track all the time, but I get lazy and usually end up driving for a couple weeks before I put it back on. There's definitely a bit more roll, though I do have QA1 shocks and with them set midway on 6, it still handles about as good as it did on the stock shocks with the bar.

Even when I had the stockers on there, its not THAT bad - still better than say, an SUV or a Buick. You just have to be aware of it and not take the corners as quick.

jdustu
05-20-2005, 08:56 AM
Even when I had the stockers on there, its not THAT bad - still better than say, an SUV or a Buick. You just have to be aware of it and not take the corners as quick.
HEY HEY HEY!!! watch it on the buick comments:jest:

ok, so your right, you guys who think it's rough guiding an f-body without a swaybar, try taking a corner above 15mph in this:
http://detroitwheeliedog.com/v-web/gallery/albums/album06/cars_003.sized.jpg

Raptor99
05-20-2005, 01:19 PM
You can't compare taking corners with now front swaybar to how it would handle in an emergency situation. All you're doing is gradually turning. Sure, the car will lean a little but still stick to the road. Try jerking the wheel the other way while you do this. As soon as you do the car will lose control. Don't believe me? I would like to think that I'm a good driver, but with no front sway bar, I put my car in the ditch trying to swerve around something. I sure as hell didn't do anything wrong either, the front tires just lost their grip. I'm not talking about a huge jerk either, this was a manuever that could have easily been done if I would have had the front bar in. I don't know how you guys can be so confident in your car with no bar, but I know that with MY car, it's not safe.

jdustu
05-20-2005, 01:38 PM
You can't compare taking corners with now front swaybar to how it would handle in an emergency situation. All you're doing is gradually turning. Sure, the car will lean a little but still stick to the road. Try jerking the wheel the other way while you do this. As soon as you do the car will lose control. Don't believe me? I would like to think that I'm a good driver, but with no front sway bar, I put my car in the ditch trying to swerve around something. I sure as hell didn't do anything wrong either, the front tires just lost their grip. I'm not talking about a huge jerk either, this was a manuever that could have easily been done if I would have had the front bar in. I don't know how you guys can be so confident in your car with no bar, but I know that with MY car, it's not safe.

there is no question that a front bar will improve handling, but how much do you need? the reason i'm confident is because i've been driving it without one and it handles fine, even in the few emergency situations it's seen...i know what the car can and cannot do.....you have to know your cars limits and hope for the best in an emergency.......obviously your car wasn't ready for whatever you ran into, but if you worry about everything that could happen you should be driving a bubble wrapped accord.....but to each their own, if everyone wanted their car to handle the same you wouldn't see half of the sponsors we havehttp://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif.....

pimpmaro
05-20-2005, 04:34 PM
there is no question that a front bar will improve handling, but how much do you need? the reason i'm confident is because i've been driving it without one and it handles fine, even in the few emergency situations it's seen...i know what the car can and cannot do.....you have to know your cars limits and hope for the best in an emergency.......obviously your car wasn't ready for whatever you ran into, but if you worry about everything that could happen you should be driving a bubble wrapped accord.....but to each their own, if everyone wanted their car to handle the same you wouldn't see half of the sponsors we havehttp://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif.....

Hope for the best in an emergency? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're purposely reducing the handling capabilities of your vehicle for a reason that's totally unneeded on the street and then you're just going to hope for the best if a 5 year old kid jumps out in front of you?

The swaybar helps to control the camber by reducing body roll. Without that camber control helping to keep the tire's contact patch square on the ground, the tire will roll to the outside and you're going to wind up pushing hard.

Yes. The car will be ok for daily, normal driving. However, in that one life or death instance in a million you might encounter you've put yourself at a serious disadvantage. It's just crazy to take a chance like that, even as remote as it is, on a suspension component that takes 10 MINUTES to remove/install.

Knowing your car's limits is certainly useful for driving like an ass on the street. In an emergency situation, you typically aren't given a whole hell of a llot of options OR a lot of time. Knowing your car isn't going to play NEARLY as big of a part in such a situation as what your car is capable of would.

RaNsOm
05-21-2005, 12:57 PM
If you have Eibach lowering springs... why the hell would you pull the front swaybar anyway? You've already modified your suspension in a way that's not ideal for drag racing... every little bit helps

jdustu
05-21-2005, 01:18 PM
Hope for the best in an emergency? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're purposely reducing the handling capabilities of your vehicle for a reason that's totally unneeded on the street and then you're just going to hope for the best if a 5 year old kid jumps out in front of you?

The swaybar helps to control the camber by reducing body roll. Without that camber control helping to keep the tire's contact patch square on the ground, the tire will roll to the outside and you're going to wind up pushing hard.

Yes. The car will be ok for daily, normal driving. However, in that one life or death instance in a million you might encounter you've put yourself at a serious disadvantage. It's just crazy to take a chance like that, even as remote as it is, on a suspension component that takes 10 MINUTES to remove/install.

Knowing your car's limits is certainly useful for driving like an ass on the street. In an emergency situation, you typically aren't given a whole hell of a llot of options OR a lot of time. Knowing your car isn't going to play NEARLY as big of a part in such a situation as what your car is capable of would.
i completely disagree i the last part.......i've been in more than one situation with more than one vehicle that required instant reaction, and a good driver always has what his car can and cannot do stored up there somwhere, even if it's not completely in his conscience. it obviously isn't gonna always turn out as you'd like.....you are asuming too much thinking i am talking about driving like an ass on the street, this knowledge is something way too many people overlook in obtaining for use in everday driving....

as far as why take the chance: why drive a muscle car at all? why drive a suv? why drive any vehicle that is compromised in any way to offer any benifits other than complete and utter safety/visibility/handling/ect. on the street? it's not worth the chance is it?