Other Special Events - how fast will the quickest be at hot rod drag week?

me and geek(a buddy of mine) and maybe some other people are going to do this thing. it seems ideal for my truck and sounds like a lot of fun.

my question is how fast will the top dogs at this thing be.

for those that dont know about it. 5 tracks in 5 states in 5 days. you have to drive from track to track and carry whatever you will need. you have a several hour window at each track to make runs and you take your best slip from each track and get an average. sounds like there are very few rules other than that. the drive is 200-300miles between tracks.

i dont expect to win, just have fun. i think with litte effort i can average high 10's but if i push it hard and risk breaking i have a good chance at low 10's for an average. is there any chance low 10's could place near the top of this event? i would expect to see some cars in the 8's but geek doesn't think the 8sec cars will be able to make the drives. if there are going to be lots of cars in the 8's then i will just go for fun and run some high 10's but if the quickest that can survive the trip will be in the high 9's/low 10's then i am going to push it hard and risk breaking for a near the top spot.

what do you guys think?

Jim, i believe that it is high 8's for the fastest, but i bet your truck would dominate most things out there.. especially if they all had to run on all terrains ;)

Jim, i believe that it is high 8's for the fastest, but i bet your truck would dominate most things out there.. especially if they all had to run on all terrains ;)

i will be running 4 nitto 305/45/18 DR's for the entire trip.

as far as i know something like this has never been done. do you really think there will be an 8sec car that can and will drive 1000+ miles?

Looking at events like the pump gas drags I'd say the fastest would be in the 9's somewhere. Its hard to say, all that driving could knock alot of guys out of the race. I think if you can keep your average in the mid/ low 10's you have a really good chance.

i was talking with my buddy about this too, about what we though would win and how fast they'd be......we were figuring it'll be a fuel injected turbo for obvious reasons, my guess is somewhere in the nines, but so many things can happen in those trips between tracks......make sure you get some videos!

GOOD LUCK either way. that sounds liek a badass competition.

I will say the "average" will be somewhere in the tens, this is an excellent way to seperate the race and streetcars, your truck will definately be in the hunt. You have the ultimate setup you can carry everything you need, let us know how you do.

David

I think mid to low 10's, the killer is how to carry all the gear.

go for it!

....the killer is how to carry all the gear.

Not for Jim it isn't, it's called a pickup bed. :D :hail:

Not for Jim it isn't, it's called a pickup bed. :D :hail:

that is the hard part. exactly what all do i take with me? i could take an entire driveline if i wanted to. a generator, compresor, jack, engine hoist, tranny jack, tools, motor, tranny....... with a ~5 hour drive between tracks that would leave 16+hours of work time if i blew something up, i could change out the entire drive line in 16 hours.

it would be a pain to unload at each site... no wait. hell i will just pull my car trailer and put everything on there, then just un hitch. :devil:

but really, probably just take some basic tools, maybe what i would need for a head gasket swap but not much more than that.

That'd be freaking great. The drag vehicle TOWING the trailer.

I would bring as much stuff as you can because you never know what little part could let you down.
I think there will be couple of 9 second cars and you will be in the top of the list.If you ran mid 10s and then at the last event let it all hang out to bring down your average you will end up with a top 5. Look at it this way.
Even if you dont win I bet that Hot Rod magazine will pick your truck as the most impressive.

I would bring as much stuff as you can because you never know what little part could let you down.
I think there will be couple of 9 second cars and you will be in the top of the list.If you ran mid 10s and then at the last event let it all hang out to bring down your average you will end up with a top 5. Look at it this way.
Even if you dont win I bet that Hot Rod magazine will pick your truck as the most impressive.


I agree with that. I didn't think you could tow anything, or is it you can tow but the vehicle that is running has to do the towing. Parish, you'll definately have one of the more unquie entries, but I think we'll be looking @ a forced induction, fuelie car that runs in the mid 9s for the enitre event. If you push it, you're probably looking @ a top 15. Considering the PGDs had about 30 invite cars last year, you should do really well. You get to make as get to make as many passes as you can and then take top 3 avg. at each track right? Jleews6 is right, take as much stuff as you can, especially the little stuff that's prone to breaking. Good luck! Wonder how many others are planning on doing this as it seems like people such as you, MightyMouse and (well if he'd actually drag the car) Bryan Wilkinson, would stand great shots at placing.

you can bring as much stuff as your vehicle will carry or tow. i could tow a full size truck with my truck. maybe i should do that. now that would be funny. the race car towing the (potential)tow vehicle. i have a good sized converter with a huge lock up clutch. as far as i know there is no reason i couldn't tow a full load with it.

you can bring as much stuff as your vehicle will carry or tow. i could tow a full size truck with my truck. maybe i should do that. now that would be funny. the race car towing the (potential)tow vehicle. i have a good sized converter with a huge lock up clutch. as far as i know there is no reason i couldn't tow a full load with it.


Then do it! If you can, I'd at least take a genorator, air compressor, full compliment of tools, a few spare tires. All the weak link little stuff (gaskets, seals, valve springs, valves, a rear gear and front gear, as you launch in 4wd right?). I think you'll have the fastest truck but as said, I think we're looking for mid 9s avg with a few people dipping into the 8s. A lot of speculation on the hot rod board and a lot of people are saying turbo supras, vettes, f-bodies, stangs and vipers. Can't wait to see this. All I can say is, how long before someone attempts what's quickly becoming the "tripple crown" of car building. Taking a shot @ winning PGD, One Lap, Drag Week, and Silver State Classic (or something like that).

Even the 900whp Supras (at least in this town) I think would have a hard time making the trip and carrying all necessary gear in the car with them.

I agree, it's bound to be a turbo car who wins it. But as I think of ANY cars, even in the high nines, I have a hard time seeing their owners willing to put race parts through the 1000+ mile torture of highway driving... the 9-sec supra here in Omaha has hardcore, wearable parts that I *doubt* he'd want to take out on the highways.

I saw the article and begged Jim to go. Told him I'd ride shotgun and bring a few spare megasquirts & sensors. I agree that we should pack to the MAX and bring every little thing we can. It never seems to work that you break the things you brought along - so bring two of everything and perhaps nothing will break!

I already took the week off work. Will have the DV camera and wireless internet for realtime updates on this forum.

I can imagine a lot of 9-sec cars showing up at one or two tracks - but making the whole journey is a lot harder than it seems. I don't think any of the pump gas drag cars could pull this off without DEEP pockets and a bumper hitch kit from UHAUL... and some serious planning and support from a chase vehicle!

I know quite a few 10 second cars that could make the trip with no worries, but I agree deep 9's would be pushing it for some cars.


I think you should tow your race trailer with the race truck. Some people would have a really confused look on their face. lol

Btw, saw it was your bday! happy birthday!

Even the 900whp Supras (at least in this town) I think would have a hard time making the trip and carrying all necessary gear in the car with them.

I agree, it's bound to be a turbo car who wins it. But as I think of ANY cars, even in the high nines, I have a hard time seeing their owners willing to put race parts through the 1000+ mile torture of highway driving... the 9-sec supra here in Omaha has hardcore, wearable parts that I *doubt* he'd want to take out on the highways.

I saw the article and begged Jim to go. Told him I'd ride shotgun and bring a few spare megasquirts & sensors. I agree that we should pack to the MAX and bring every little thing we can. It never seems to work that you break the things you brought along - so bring two of everything and perhaps nothing will break!

I already took the week off work. Will have the DV camera and wireless internet for realtime updates on this forum.

I can imagine a lot of 9-sec cars showing up at one or two tracks - but making the whole journey is a lot harder than it seems. I don't think any of the pump gas drag cars could pull this off without DEEP pockets and a bumper hitch kit from UHAUL... and some serious planning and support from a chase vehicle!

I'm still maintaining that it can be done as some do it now. MightyMouse is the best example of a car that is daily driven. He's run the 9 second # on an older turbo and the question is can he get it straightened out with the new turbo and tune and run those numbers all day long, dunno, but, the capability is there, just my $.05. Not implying he's planning on doing soo. Keep us posted as this seems like an awsome thing to do, but I think it takes some deep pockets no mater how fast you are, since gas and travel too and from the even is the biggest killer.

I'd hope we see some builder / shop backed cars as this is a great platform to get coverage. It'll show who's made of what and it'll be awsome to watch. Think we'll see any diesel powered vehicles ala "gale banks" style project sidwinder?

BTW, Happy B-day too.

Parish should be OK on fuel - we can make a tune for junk pump gas on the highway cruise, and I can lean it out - probably get 16-18mpg or even better, depends on the higher stall converter... but the motor can run 16.5:1 or leaner on pump fuel during cruise, then a quick "File / Load" on the megasquirt and we have the race tune ready to go...

those with megasquirt or standalones know what I'm talking about...


the vehicles I would be concerned about: diesel pickup trucks, although the ones of those that are in the 10s are running pretty crazy engine mods, similar to tractor pullers, and they also could have some problem making the distance reliably. Single turbo supra: if any of the owners put their money where their mouths are, there could be a few contenders in that crowd. There are long-distance-capable 10 sec Supra's all over the place.

I am sure there are some turbo LS1 combos on this board that could do it also, probably in the high nines... but you are going to put 2-3 seasons worth of abuse on your combo in 5 days. Hope your combo is RELIABLE and well built...

This could be a lot of fun. We could throw MY truck on the trailer, in case Jim breaks...

the stall will be the same down the highway because of the lock up. i am sure we could squeeze a little more mileage out of it but at anything above 15-1 it doesn't run vary smooth, it misses. i dont care about mileage anyways. 28gallons x 12mpg = 336miles per tank. thats prety decent range. we should be able to find amocos or some other 92octane fuel along the way.

it wont be a cheap week, figure $75/day for fuel and probably another $75/day for a room. then add food, maybe a touch of race fuel(we could bring an entire barrel) or nitrous. better bring a little meth.

is it ok to drive nitto dr's 300miles in a day? they dont get hot or anything like that do they?

You can drive on nittos all the time, just don't expect them to last very long. I think after a few burnouts and about 10-11K miles I wore a set out on my car. They are fine to drive on though. :)

well, I am tentatively planning on making the trek. mid 10's on motor, not sure yet on the spray, but I have a stand alone wet/dry 2 stage. plan on taking a set of street tires to swap out for the highway driving (rear only), jack, basic tools and some other basic parts that may break. I think if I can run mid/high 9's on spray I think I can be very competive, based on the Pump Gas Drags results. I have a brand new clutch, T56 and freshly fully built 408, so hopefully that will all stay together. I'll just have to take it easy on it till then. only thing I'm need to do is convert to a full cage by then. I'm sure they'll be slicklers on saftey crap. I'm tuned for pump gas on motor, and run 104 in the stand alone. I think I've got a good setup for it.
wish I hadn't just ditched the cruise :lol: I'll need some rain-x too :lol:
Part of the reason I'm also likely to do it is that it starts in KC and I live there

I'd think it'd be faster than 10's.. Just imagine if there is no limit on cubes. A mountain motor could roll in making 800hp with a streetable idle and run 9's on motor alone, much less forced induction. Hard to beat big cubes with glide/th400 and a 9". Plus with the allowance of tools it wouldn't be very difficult to change centersections from like.. 3.55's to 4.10's in no time at all.. Or put 30"-32" m/t street tires to drive on to keep the rpms down, and swap back to 27-28" for the track. Either way.. the ability to change parts makes it too easy of a task. But it will be interesting. One thing is for sure, every event I've ever heard is supposed to have all these badass cars.. and none ever show.. So if you think you can last the time running 10's.. then do it.. You might get lucky and a few of the 9 sec cars break down and you place high.

Peace,
Josh

I'd think it'd be faster than 10's.. Just imagine if there is no limit on cubes. A mountain motor could roll in making 800hp with a streetable idle and run 9's on motor alone, much less forced induction. Hard to beat big cubes with glide/th400 and a 9". Plus with the allowance of tools it wouldn't be very difficult to change centersections from like.. 3.55's to 4.10's in no time at all.. Or put 30"-32" m/t street tires to drive on to keep the rpms down, and swap back to 27-28" for the track. Either way.. the ability to change parts makes it too easy of a task. But it will be interesting.


you are probably right - a few guys on the HOT ROD forums are talking about going, who have monster cube motors that make big power, but can possibly make the trek. I guess around here, anyone who jumps to the big cubes seem to go crazy with giant cams, etc. but there is truth in the idea of building a "mild" 900hp turbo or sprayed big block that can run consistent 9s...

My observations as a spectator to a lot of "True Street" events is EXACTLY what you said here:

One thing is for sure, every event I've ever heard is supposed to have all these badass cars.. and none ever show.. So if you think you can last the time running 10's.. then do it.. You might get lucky and a few of the 9 sec cars break down and you place high.

I bet some big dogs from PGD will try, and they will have chaser vehicles if they break down.

I bet some big dogs from PGD will try, and they will have chaser vehicles if they break down.maybe, but all the chaser vehicle will be good for is getting them home, they'll be dq'd for using it to fix or carry anything....i know it's in the rules, but i think all the talk of trying to carry as much as you can is kinda defeating the "cool" factor of the event(although i understand it's also cool to have that utility in a truck that races).....they should make everyone use the tires they drive in on......

hell if i would of know sooner--i would of followed ya with my camper and we could of slept in that! shower full kitchen and i toilet! all we need!
When is this?

hell if i would of know sooner--i would of followed ya with my camper and we could of slept in that! shower full kitchen and i toilet! all we need!
When is this?

it isn't till september.

That'd be freaking great. The drag vehicle TOWING the trailer.
That gets a 10 for uniqueness I'd say. Only problem is that the truck needs to fit on the tailer so another truck can get it home! Jim, I know you think highly of your 10-bolt but these tires will be it's undoing! I hope you get it on video, it's a really neat sound when it goes. :D

i probably wont overload on parts. there are just too many little things that can go wrong it would be hard to plan for everything and the thing you dont plan on is what would break. i think we will just hit the road with a nice set of basic tools and a few basic parts. if the tranny or one of the diff's let go then we will give up and find a way home.

i am not sure what to do with the rear. i hope to have a 9.5" front and some strong 1/2 shafts in there by then but in the rear i am not sure what route to take with it. i could slap in a 2500 rear, can you just get the axles redrilled so i can use the same wheels? with a strong front and rear and some stickies who knows what this thing might run but that is a lot of work(money) and i dont know if it will all get done by then.

GM has never put together a 6-lug version of the 9.5" with discs... until now. The Trailblazer SS will have one but that will be too narrow for use in a full-size. The parts are out there.

It won't be simple but it's got to be possible. There are two bolt patterns for the flanges at the ends of the tubes. If you can find out which 9.5" rear has the same flange pattern your 10-bolt does (if any) then it will be possible bolt your brakes right up to it. If the housing turns out to have 8-lug axles in it that's no big deal - you can buy new 6x5.5" lug pattern ones with the correct 78.3mm hub and M14-1.5 lug studs already installed. Considering the cost of filling, machining, re-drilling, and then turning down the hubs on 8-lug axles I think replacing them is the way to go. (Machine shops take too damn long anyway!)

All the rest of the crap is easy to change - spring perches, shock mounts, driveshaft yoke and length, etc. All that matters is the brakes. Overcome that and it's good to go.

I haven't seen anyone else go the route of 9.5" on a NBS half-ton. It will be interesting to see what happens. I can tell you the 9.5" won't hold up it you ever go 2WD and get some real traction. They're still C-Clip rears and those housings do flex.

I will say the "average" will be somewhere in the tens, this is an excellent way to seperate the race and streetcars, your truck will definately be in the hunt. You have the ultimate setup you can carry everything you need, let us know how you do.

David

lol not achance in hell

Iplan on makeing this event and i run consitna high 8s

a event like this is actualy easier on my car then the hot rod pump gas drags was.

highwaymiles are cake due to the ariflow and nice constant rpm.. much easier then the 30 mile drive of the pgd in 5 pm trafic.

also thsi event you are allowed to run race gas at the track so there is nothing to stop me from turnigntheboost down driving between tracks then putinginthegas and turning it up to 28 psi and runing mid 8s at each track.

i also know of at least ONE SEVEN second car that is planign to atempt this

turbo cars do not need large cams my hyd roller cam will easily handle 1000 miles

lol not achance in hell

Iplan on makeing this event and i run consitna high 8s

a event like this is actualy easier on my car then the hot rod pump gas drags was.

highwaymiles are cake due to the ariflow and nice constant rpm.. much easier then the 30 mile drive of the pgd in 5 pm trafic.

also thsi event you are allowed to run race gas at the track so there is nothing to stop me from turnigntheboost down driving between tracks then putinginthegas and turning it up to 28 psi and runing mid 8s at each track.

i also know of at least ONE SEVEN second car that is planign to atempt this

turbo cars do not need large cams my hyd roller cam will easily handle 1000 miles

At least learn to spell and write when you troll...it will make you more believeable :eyes:

Yes there will be some fast cars out there, whether this fast or not, well...that's why they run the race right?

Id love to go but I dont think I can get slicks in my car and a cage. These are going to be run at some NHRA tracks right?

WAs wondering when the "I run 8s" crew was going to chime in.

All I can say is, I hope your combo holds together. Because all the "True Street" events I attend, the high 8-sec cars are barely streetable - if you run 8s even with a turbo, you're well over 1000HP right? I will love seeing this on the cruise - hope to see you there!!!

lol not achance in hell

Iplan on makeing this event and i run consitna high 8s

a event like this is actualy easier on my car then the hot rod pump gas drags was.

highwaymiles are cake due to the ariflow and nice constant rpm.. much easier then the 30 mile drive of the pgd in 5 pm trafic.

also thsi event you are allowed to run race gas at the track so there is nothing to stop me from turnigntheboost down driving between tracks then putinginthegas and turning it up to 28 psi and runing mid 8s at each track.

i also know of at least ONE SEVEN second car that is planign to atempt this

turbo cars do not need large cams my hyd roller cam will easily handle 1000 miles
Most motors that can run in the 7s wont last very long going over 1000 miles on top of racing.

Parish, really glad you'll come. Should be way neat. And here's an announcement I just made that makes it more worth it for "slower" guys to show up.

There will be an announcement coming in the magazine, but here's the news now: We have broken Drag Week competition into five easy classes to encourage more guys to come out and have fun even if they think they can't compete with the big dogs. We'll name winners in each class, as well as an overall event winner with the best overall average. The classes are:

- Daily Driver: This is for all cars running slower than 12.000. The car with the weeklong average closest to 12.000 wins. Cars in this class cannot compete for the overall win.
- Naturally Asprirated Small-Block, 423ci and smaller
- Naturally Aspirated Big-Block, 424ci and bigger
- Boost/Nitrous Small-Block, 423ci and smaller
- Boost/Nitrous Big-Block, 424ci and bigger

As a reminder, the event is a week of drag racing with five tracks in five days, and the winners are determined by lowest average e.t. over five days. Rules are in HOT ROD Magazine and HOTROD.com. Here's the schedule:
Sept 11 Kickoff in Kansas City
Sept 12, Kansas City International Raceway
Sept 13 Gateway
Sept 14 Beech Bend
Sept 15 National Trail
Sept 16 Martin, MI

It's $125 to preregister before August 15 at 877/413-6515, or $150 on site at Kansas City. Spectators are free.

DF

Congrats Jim Parish, saw your little write up in Hot Rod magazine i got today!

Congrats Jim Parish, saw your little write up in Hot Rod magazine i got today!

thanks! drag week was the funest week ever. i will be going back next year. :)

thanks! drag week was the funest week ever. i will be going back next year. :)


hey Jim, did anything happen to your motor. I guess you can PM me if you want. Heard that something happened to it. Not sure if it was all rumor or anything.

i made it thru drag week without too much trouble. i did overheat it on the last run due to malfunctioning efans. on the way home and since drag week have been prety hard on parts. i have been trying to run 9's and have been pushing it hard.

on the way home i let kyle drive it for awhile and he tried to do a burn out in a rest area parking lot.

http://www.neufamily.org/images/kyleblewupmydiff/DSCN2582.JPG

i got that fixed and then hit the track. this time i tried to leave the nitorus on the entire run. about 30 feet out this happened.

http://www.neufamily.org/images/driveshaft/DSCN0002.JPG
http://www.neufamily.org/images/driveshaft/DSCN0004.JPG
http://www.neufamily.org/images/driveshaft/DSCN0005.JPG

now fast forward a couple of weeks and i have a new super duper driveshaft in there and i hit the track again. this time i make a couple of runs turning it up each time. then i decide to go for it and hit it with 20psi and a 100shot the entire run. it didn't like that so much.

http://www.neufamily.org/images/meltdown/DSCN0028.JPG
http://www.neufamily.org/images/meltdown/DSCN0032.JPG
http://www.neufamily.org/images/meltdown/DSCN0033.JPG

I read the article in Hot Rod....looking good as always, Parish.

yep... suspicions are correct. Hope all goes well with the new motor jim. Live and learn.

Hope you can now fine tune it to really smack around some records. :D

Ouch, those are some nice pics you go there. :D How did that CMotorsports setup work you for you?

I'm going 408 real soon, they were at the top of my list. What did you run for heads on that car?

Ouch, those are some nice pics you go there. :D How did that CMotorsports setup work you for you?

I'm going 408 real soon, they were at the top of my list. What did you run for heads on that car?

the motor is kicking ass. i am sure it was a tuning problem that messed things up. my wideband was around 12/1 a/f ratio. i thought i put more fuel into it than that but i guess not. then you have the infamous #7 cylinder that seems to get more air than the others, thats the one that had the problems. i will be more carefull next time and keep my fueling in the lower 11's. i might even step u to a single plain intake to take care of the lean cylinder problem.

that screwed uphead there is an afr225 :bang: .

Hey Jim seen the ride in Hot Rod all the way down in Greece! Laters dude

Hey Jim seen the ride in Hot Rod all the way down in Greece! Laters dude

it's probably not -4 there is it. :eyes:

that screwed uphead there is an afr225 :bang: .

Thanks so much for the info Jim! What intake manifold are you running? I'll probably end up going Fast 90.

it's probably not -4 there is it. :eyes:
Its a bone chillin 60 something right now :) there is better then here believe it or not. :eek2: