Appearance & Detailing - "The Full Menzerna" Pics (56K BEGONE!)




chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 09:59 PM
OK, I'm going to break this down into a few posts of pics, then post up my thoughts/experiences tomorrow.

First few pictures are how the car looked when I started.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_05.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_06.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/01Start_07.jpg


-Mike


chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:00 PM
Now the car has been clayed, washed and dried.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/02Clayed_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/02Clayed_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/02Clayed_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/02Clayed_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/02Clayed_05.jpg

chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:01 PM
Now the car has been polised with Final Polish II. I didn't have any spots that really needed Intensive Polish.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_05.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_06.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/03Polished_07.jpg


chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:02 PM
Menzerna Finishing Touch Glaze

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_05.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_06.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/04Glazed_07.jpg

navyblue2000
07-31-2005, 10:02 PM
that's what I loved about my NBM camaro.

Cleaned up, that's the BEST looking color on a camaro. Period.

chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:03 PM
Menzerna FMJ

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_05.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_06.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_07.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_08.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/05FMJ_09.jpg

chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:03 PM
Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Spray

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_01.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_02.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_03.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_04.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_05.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_06.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/chupr0kabra/July%2005%20Detail/06Gloss_Spray_07.jpg


-Mike

chupr0kabra
07-31-2005, 10:06 PM
And, yes, I know the wheels, tires, and windows need work. The wheels and tires are about to come off. I'll get to the windows tomorrow or whenever.


-Mike

navyblue2000
07-31-2005, 10:13 PM
beautiful.

LawmanSS
07-31-2005, 11:36 PM
Car looks awesome :eek: :thumb:

I can't believe you are going to make me wait until tomorrow for your thoughts and experiences...:P ;) :)

ABadMother1999
07-31-2005, 11:38 PM
GOD, I love that stuff! Just restockd my shelfs and i cant wait to start hooking people up again with details!

That is an awesome job... good work and beautiful car!

AnimalSS
07-31-2005, 11:56 PM
that's what I loved about NBM .

Cleaned up, that's the BEST looking color on a camaro. Period.
:werd: Can't wait to splurge on a Menzerna kit myself.

Scotty-Z
08-01-2005, 12:27 AM
Damn you put a lot of stuff on that! What works the best for polishing it up and keeping a good shine on it after claybarring it?

Schwindj
08-01-2005, 12:39 AM
Beautiful work!
I would personally lose the front liscense plate though.
James

FLAWLS1T/A
08-01-2005, 12:48 AM
How about doing my NBM T/A while your @ it...... :)


Look AMAZING! :drive:

ArcticZ28
08-01-2005, 12:50 AM
:werd: Can't wait to splurge on a Menzerna kit myself.

:werd: Def will be picking some of that stuff up in the near future.

JackZ28
08-01-2005, 05:36 AM
Looking good. NBM is one of those colors, that if done right, looks badass from every angle. ;)

chupr0kabra
08-01-2005, 09:20 AM
The process

Wash - Washed with Black Magic car wash, which is what I typically use on wheels, the undercarriage, etc. It's cheap, and works moderately well. Perfect for a session before a claybar. Used a lamb's wool mitt.

Clay - I had some Zaino clay left over, so I used that and some Clay Magic lube. The claybar ended up surprisingly clean, so that was encouraging.

Second wash/dry - Washed with Meguiar's Gold Class, rinsing often. A fresh lamb's wool mitt was employed. Dried with a pair of waffle weave microfiber towels, but didn't sweat too much about water spots, since I knew I was going to polish.

Menzerna Final Polish II - I walked around the car, under and over several times, looking for any spots that might require Intensive Polish. I had a couple spots with light swirls, but nothing major. I got out a white pad and my Final Polish II and went to work with the polisher set on 4.5. I used one pad on the lower half, the quarter panels and doors, then it got pretty saturated, so I switched to a second white pad and did the roof, hood, and nose. Buffed off with water and two microfiber towels. This polish never ceases to amaze me. I thought the car looked good after the clay, but the polish really brought the life back into the paint and took out the minor swirls, especially around the deck lid and window.

Menzerna Finishing Touch Glaze - This is the second time I've used the Menzerna Finishing Touch Glaze and...WOW! It really adds a great depth to the shine and makes the metallic flakes in the paint pop. Went on very easily with a dry black pad, but I had to turn the speed down to about 3 to reduce splatter. The whole car was glazed in about 20 minutes.

Menzerna FMJ - My first time using FMJ. I applied by hand with a microfiber applicator (which I prepped with some detailing spray to keep the FMJ out of the sponge on on the car). Went on smooth, but was a little stubborn coming off. It's very possible it wasn't totally dry when I went to remove, though. It didn't spread as easily as Blackfire, but Blackfire is a thinner product. This is more the consistency of NXT or Zaino, whereas Blackfire almost feels like a glaze. Next time, I'll let it set a little longer and possibly remove with a buffer.

Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Spray - My first time with this spray. I ran into some problems here. This stuff dries so quickly that it got a little splotchy. I had a devil of a time getting it buffed out quickly enough to keep it from spotting. Part of this is likely due to the fact that it was 95+ outside with high humidity, but it's also thicker than other detailing sprays. I used a pair of Dragon microfiber towels to buff out, as those seem to work best with detailing sprays. My advice on this product is to mist from farther away, wipe quickly, and apply in as cool an environment as possible. Houston summers are remarkably hard to detail in, since the heat makes it difficult to work the products in, not to mention the toll it takes on the person doing the detailing...


Overall, I'm very happy with the results. The car is clean and a wonderful deep blue again. The glaze really impressed me again, and I'll be interested to see what kind of longevity I get from the FMJ.


-Mike

LawmanSS
08-01-2005, 09:43 AM
Another great write-up...as usual.

I thought my finish looked great with just the Intensive Polish...then I hit it with the FP2 and WOW!...I didn't really notice much of a difference between the first and second coats of Final Polish II, so I did two applications on the flats (hood, roof, deck) and one application on the sides. Today, I'm going to hit it with the Finishing Touch Glaze and Sovereign...I'll make sure I turn the speed down to 3 for the glaze.

Anyone who is still on the fence about Menzerna products...or even the Porter Cable...run, don't walk...get this stuff...your paint will thank you!

...and thanks to chupr0kabra for the great write-ups...they have been very helpful.

BAIN
08-01-2005, 09:48 AM
Nice work :D So did it take you all day?

chupr0kabra
08-01-2005, 10:19 AM
Nice work :D So did it take you all day?

More or less. I started around 2:30PM on Saturday, finished the washing and claybar sessions around 5:30 (but had about 45 minutes taken out because a buddy came over and I bought his wheels). I was beat, so I quit for the night. Got started in on the polish around 11:30AM Sunday and finished everything around 5:00PM. I'm pretty sore today, but it was worth it.


-Mike

meissenation
08-01-2005, 11:08 AM
Werd, Menzerna works really good, but it makes any car look metal flaked. After polishing my car with Menzerna SFX-1, SFX-2, and SFX-3... I don't know which one did it, but I now have glitter/metalflake-looking dots ALL OVER my car that you can only see when you look directly where the sun is shining on the spot. It doesn't really bother me since it's only noticable in the right angles, but it's enough that personally I'm not using those polishes again.

chupr0kabra
08-01-2005, 11:14 AM
Actually, the SFX line is Sonus's line of products. I haven't personally used these, so I can't say one way or the other, but the Menzerna stuff I used enhanced the metallic flakes in the paint without making it look glittery.


-Mike

meissenation
08-01-2005, 11:17 AM
...Lmao wow am I an idiot, yeah you're right. Menzerna is the polish I WANTED to buy... oye, nm do I feel like a dousche lol. DONT GO WITH SONUS :D

Z28-CTYHNTR
08-01-2005, 01:30 PM
Great writeup man, I really liked the step by step pictures. I always wanted someone to do that. :)

chupr0kabra
08-01-2005, 01:57 PM
...Lmao wow am I an idiot, yeah you're right. Menzerna is the polish I WANTED to buy... oye, nm do I feel like a dousche lol. DONT GO WITH SONUS :D

LOL! Happens to the best of us. If that's the worst mistake you make today, consider it a good day.


-Mike

2000blackta
08-01-2005, 08:43 PM
great write up! i am finally going to try the zaino PC fusion stuff with the Pocrter Cable and an orange pad (as i do have a few pretty hefty swirls in the clear). a write up like this helps out greatly when you are still kind of affraid to mess up the paint. great action shots as well. i will try and post some pics up like chup did but i don't think that i am going to attempt a write up like that. once again, great job!

Slammed-am
08-01-2005, 10:25 PM
Awesome work! I need to get off my but and do that.

2000 TAWS6
08-02-2005, 04:32 PM
Looks like a project I need to undertake, your results are amazing!

Please let me know what kind of machine you used and what "pads" you got too.
Never used a machine, is it something a rookie can damage the finish with?

Thanks.

chupr0kabra
08-02-2005, 04:44 PM
Looks like a project I need to undertake, your results are amazing!

Please let me know what kind of machine you used and what "pads" you got too.
Never used a machine, is it something a rookie can damage the finish with?

Thanks.

Thanks (not just to you, but to everyone) for the encouragement and compliments. Nice to know I didn't sweat my butt off for nothing.

As for machine and materials used:

Porter Cable 7336 dual action polisher
Zaino Claybar
Claymagic clay lube
Black Magic car wash (before clay)
Meguiars Gold Class car wash (after clay)
Menzerna Final Polish II with a white Lake Country pad
Menzerna Finishing Touch Glaze with a black Lake Country pad
Menzerna FMJ applied by hand with a microfiber applicator (seasoned with some detailing spray)
Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Spray, buffed out with Dragon microfiber towels

I got just about everything from www.properautocare.com except the car wash and the claybar. As for damaging your finish, the running joke is you'd have to hold the polisher about a foot off your paint's surface and drop it to hurt anything, and it's not far off. I've only been seriously detailing for about a year and a half now. It gets better with practice, but even the first time I used it, I got great results.

If you want more in-depth information, there is a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher FAQ at the top of this forum. I hear the guy who wrote it is kind of a jackass, though. ;)


-Mike

AnimalSS
08-02-2005, 05:20 PM
Anyone who is still on the fence about Menzerna products...or even the Porter Cable...run, don't walk...get this stuff...your paint will thank you!

Which Porter Cable DA Polisher is the right one to get. I see Chup is using the 7336. And, properautocare.com suggests the 7424. I went out looking for a 7424 last weekend (Lowe's, Home Depot) and couldn't find one. I did see a 7336 at Lowe's. What's the diff? :confused:

chupr0kabra
08-02-2005, 05:49 PM
Which Porter Cable DA Polisher is the right one to get. I see Chup is using the 7336. And, properautocare.com suggests the 7424. I went out looking for a 7424 last weekend (Lowe's, Home Depot) and couldn't find one. I did see a 7336 at Lowe's. What's the diff? :confused:

There isn't a difference. They're the exact same tool, just one is marketed as a sander (7336) and the other is marketed as a buffer (7424). Here's a great link someone else on the board sent me (I'm sorry, but I deleted the PM, so whoever you are...thanks!)

http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/a/port/skinny.htm?E+coastest


-Mike

hawgs
08-02-2005, 07:10 PM
Looks awesome. :D

MattIROC
08-02-2005, 07:14 PM
nice. come to SA and do my TA. :D

LawmanSS
08-02-2005, 07:16 PM
Which Porter Cable DA Polisher is the right one to get. I see Chup is using the 7336. And, properautocare.com suggests the 7424. I went out looking for a 7424 last weekend (Lowe's, Home Depot) and couldn't find one. I did see a 7336 at Lowe's. What's the diff? :confused:

No difference...except for price. I picked up a 7336SP at Lowe's for $99. The SP variant of the 7336 includes both a sanding backer plate and a polishing pad, although you really won't need either piece...I recommend a soft urethane backer plate in case it ever comes into contact with the finish (which does happen in tight areas), it won't cause a scratch...

sslateron
06-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Oooooouch my eyes! :lol: Nice work!

Iron Head
06-19-2008, 01:49 PM
Holy 3 years ago Batman!

ArcticZ28
06-19-2008, 01:54 PM
No joke. I just saw my post about how I'm gonna pick some up and I've been using it for years ever since :lol:

chrysler kid
06-19-2008, 03:18 PM
gotta love NBM. this was after a wash and 1 coat of my special wax blend

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/473/12529/239478.jpg

ArcticZ28
06-19-2008, 03:23 PM
this was after a wash and 1 coat of my special wax blend

Which is...?

Brickyard
06-19-2008, 03:32 PM
VERY impressive man, looks GREAT.

'00_Z
06-19-2008, 08:35 PM
We must be running out of new things to talk about! There have been quite a few threads brought back from the dead lately. It is interesting to see how things have/haven't changed though. This reminds me that I need to get to detailing mine!

chupr0kabra
06-19-2008, 11:28 PM
Which is...?

Virgin Himalayan mountain goat nipple grease and Syrian camel snot.

I'm so glad I got rid of those wheels.

This thread got bumped (not by me) because I referenced it in a thread about claybars.


-Mike

98 WS6
06-19-2008, 11:41 PM
God bless you for doing the detail outside in 95 degree weather! When I do trhat I nearly pass out!

Good job man, it looks beautiful.

ls1owner4life
06-20-2008, 05:11 AM
Try to keep the ex girlfriends away from your beautiful paint!

98SS1LWEE
06-20-2008, 05:17 AM
yOU REALLY PUT SOME TIME INTO IT, BUT WELL WORTH IT,YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN TEH PICS. CAR LOOKS GREAT MAN, WISH I HAD THE TIME! I WILL SOON ENOUGH, OR I'LL EMPLOYEE YOUR SERVICES. HA HA

ArcticZ28
06-20-2008, 09:21 AM
Virgin Himalayan mountain goat nipple grease and Syrian camel snot.


-Mike

I hate when people keep LSP's a secret just to be coy. However, with this one... I'm glad he didn't tell.