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Old 10-06-2005, 06:32 PM
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last weekend i raced a car exact same mods as me but the guy had longer headers and a tr224 and stage 1 ls1 heads. I was very suprized when we raced 3 times and i beat him all three. That kind of scared me away from doing a cam, but is there any possible way that if i did a f11 or 13 that i would somehow be slower on the street than i am know.....( i have a reputation to keep in my small town)

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an untuned cam wouldn't perform. also, the DRIVER and car setup has a lot to do with winning/losing. the same car with the same mods, cam vs no cam. cam and tune hands down would dominate the non-cammed car.
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A stock Honda Civic hatchback will beat a Dodge Viper in a quarter mile run every time if the Viper driver burns rubber for 3-4 seconds on take off. I sure as hell wouldn't throw away the viper though.
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My previous car untuned would still beat my bolt on m6 that I have now. Are you an auto or manual? What transmission did this guy have? If he was an auto he had a stall right? An a4 car with heads/cam and no converter would be a dog. A little more info is needed. Other than that if you were both m6 cars then it probably comes down to your a better driver.....cause that alone is something that money CAN'T buy......
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haha, that guy cant drive for ****
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Awaiting more info to make an educated guess My main guess would be an unstalled auto, and/or untuned. Or a crappy driver, who sits and spins. There is no way a properly done cammed car will lose to a bolt on car. It's not logical that a 30-40rwhp increase would make you slower.
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Originally Posted by 777
There is no way a properly done cammed car will lose to a bolt on car. It's not logical that a 30-40rwhp increase would make you slower.
I bet ALOT of properly done cammed cars would lose to me.
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Originally Posted by SUX2BU
I bet ALOT of properly done cammed cars would lose to me.
Yea, i wouldnt doubt it with a gutted car and a massive stall.
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Originally Posted by lilbuddy1587
Yea, i wouldnt doubt it with a gutted car and a massive stall.
Makes a fun daily driver!
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oh, thats real fair
other guy: so what have you got done??
Juan: oh, just a few boltons and stuff...stock internals....come on! lets race
other guy: ok, but i have to warn ya..i have a cam so its not gonna be fair
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sux2bu did you just strip everything down to get that weight or did it take body mods to get there (ie: fiberglass body panels ect.)
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/370532-how-get-your-daily-driver-under-3000lbs-race-weight.html
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Driver has a lot to do with it.
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There is a local guy here running 12.2 with an 02 Firehawk M6, with only a lid and catback on Nitto's.
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Driving is everything.. especially at the track.

I've outrun numerous cammed and H/C LS1's in my LS6 cammed car..
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That is why i love my auto. Just setup a good hook and let the car do the rest
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<cough>lazy</cough>
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Originally Posted by SUX2BU
I bet ALOT of properly done cammed cars would lose to me.
I bet a lot of 700+rwhp turbo f-body's would lose to a stock ls1 in a go-cart as well I know you are messing around fwiw so am I
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Originally Posted by ninobrn99
<cough>lazy</cough>
LOL, just don't fancy changing pushrods/valves and pistons too often, that's all.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
That is why i love my auto. Just setup a good hook and let the car do the rest
Hi Predator-Z,
But that takes all the fun out of trying to take off and shift fast with burning rubber or missing a shift. Still have a ways to go myself.
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