EFIlive w/Flashscan over HPTuners - Which One to Buy?????
10-15-2005, 05:17 PM
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EFIlive w/Flashscan over HPTuners - Which One to Buy????? OK, I stil can't quite make the final decision:
I'm either going with EFIlive-Tuner/Flashscan or HPTuners with EIO. I've read tons of material about both -they both seem to be the best products out there, they're both about the same price.
Well, I just got my new laptop and need to fill it with one or the other tuning software.
From the members that have used both: is one easier to understand from a novice tuner point of view than the other?
I really like the idea of NOT having to have my new laptop setting on the seat logging data while driving; which is why I'm leaning towards EFIlive. But at the same time, the ease of programming/understanding and the features are also very important.
There are a lot of .bin files out there available to look at as examples to aid in tuning for HPTuners but EFIlive has an awesome website with actual step-by-step tuning procedures.
I know this question has been posed probably 1000x - but please bear with me - here goes 1001!
Which do younz recommend?
TIA,
-Jay-
I'm either going with EFIlive-Tuner/Flashscan or HPTuners with EIO. I've read tons of material about both -they both seem to be the best products out there, they're both about the same price.
Well, I just got my new laptop and need to fill it with one or the other tuning software.
From the members that have used both: is one easier to understand from a novice tuner point of view than the other?
I really like the idea of NOT having to have my new laptop setting on the seat logging data while driving; which is why I'm leaning towards EFIlive. But at the same time, the ease of programming/understanding and the features are also very important.
There are a lot of .bin files out there available to look at as examples to aid in tuning for HPTuners but EFIlive has an awesome website with actual step-by-step tuning procedures.
I know this question has been posed probably 1000x - but please bear with me - here goes 1001!
Which do younz recommend?
TIA,
-Jay-
10-15-2005, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
I'm either going with EFIlive-Tuner/Flashscan or HPTuners with EIO. I've read tons of material about both -they both seem to be the best products out there, they're both about the same price.
EFI live-$699 starting price
Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
From the members that have used both: is one easier to understand from a novice tuner point of view than the other?
Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
I really like the idea of NOT having to have my new laptop setting on the seat logging data while driving; which is why I'm leaning towards EFIlive. But at the same time, the ease of programming/understanding and the features are also very important.
Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
There are a lot of .bin files out there available to look at as examples to aid in tuning for HPTuners but EFIlive has an awesome website with actual step-by-step tuning procedures.
Originally Posted by 1QUIKWS6
Which do younz recommend?
10-15-2005, 06:46 PM
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Not to mention their new interface comming soon http://efilive.com/flashscan.html
Both products are good but i choose efilive for the features, customer support and scalability of the product.
Features include and released to date
Custom histograms
Filters for data scrubbing
Custom OS's for any and every vehicle easily flashed by the user.
Free 97-98 support.
BB logging keeps my eyes on the road/track instead of the passenger seat.
and many more. Just dload the program and play with the log files they provide you and the tunes provided with the demo software and that should hopefully make up your mind.
Also EFILive can read *.bin files HPT's (availble on horists site) new format files wont be readable though....
Both products are good but i choose efilive for the features, customer support and scalability of the product.
Features include and released to date
Custom histograms
Filters for data scrubbing
Custom OS's for any and every vehicle easily flashed by the user.
Free 97-98 support.
BB logging keeps my eyes on the road/track instead of the passenger seat.
and many more. Just dload the program and play with the log files they provide you and the tunes provided with the demo software and that should hopefully make up your mind.
Also EFILive can read *.bin files HPT's (availble on horists site) new format files wont be readable though....
10-15-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HumpinSS
Both products are good but i choose efilive for the features, customer support and scalability of the product.
Everything else is as good if not better than the support
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10-15-2005, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
depends how you look at it...you have to buy the $849 pkg or get someone with it to write your OS.
Regarding the SD cost. I don't want to turn this into another HPTvsLive bitch fest, but after you pay for 2bar SD tuning one time with HPT, you have surpased the inital cost of live by $100, so which is really cheaper? Its a little more up front, but a savings in the long run. The custom OS's from live are hands down kickass. They pack more features and options then any other tuner on the market.
The license structure for both has its advantages/disadvantages. I prefer live's due to the fact I don't tune 20 Fbody's. It ranges and is more benifical for the person that might just do 1 type. Hands down EFI Live gets my vote!!
10-15-2005, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
Another vote here. I had HPT and switched to EFI Live for several reasons. I am glad I switched and if I had to do over, I would have bought Live in the first place. I could go on and on as to why live is a better choice for some, but there isn't enough space on the forum.
Regarding the SD cost. I don't want to turn this into another HPTvsLive bitch fest, but after you pay for 2bar SD tuning one time with HPT, you have surpased the inital cost of live by $100 and the same as live if you have done 4 1bar setups, so which is really cheaper? Its a little more up front, but a savings in the long run. The custom OS's from live are hands down kickass. They pack more features and options then any other tuner on the market.
The license structure for both has its advantages/disadvantages. I prefer live's due to the fact I don't tune 20 Fbody's. It ranges and is more benifical for the person that might just do 1 type. Hands down EFI Live gets my vote!!
Regarding the SD cost. I don't want to turn this into another HPTvsLive bitch fest, but after you pay for 2bar SD tuning one time with HPT, you have surpased the inital cost of live by $100 and the same as live if you have done 4 1bar setups, so which is really cheaper? Its a little more up front, but a savings in the long run. The custom OS's from live are hands down kickass. They pack more features and options then any other tuner on the market.
The license structure for both has its advantages/disadvantages. I prefer live's due to the fact I don't tune 20 Fbody's. It ranges and is more benifical for the person that might just do 1 type. Hands down EFI Live gets my vote!!
honestly I know what your saying as I've brought this up to the guys at hpt and they are pretty steadfast in what they are doing. I wouldve liked to seen them drop their pricing on the SD stuff or just nix it, but that would **** everyone off that had already bought it. 
10-15-2005, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
I wouldve liked to seen them drop their pricing on the SD stuff or just nix it, but that would **** everyone off that had already bought it.
They wouldn't want to do that again would they. Learned from their mistakes the first time.
10-15-2005, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
They wouldn't want to do that again would they. Learned from their mistakes the first time. 
even if they would lower their pricing on the 2 bar to $99 which would make the 2 bar comparible to a new license on efi live I think that would be a more fair deal...maybe they'll see this and take it under consideration 
that would make the 2 bar 2x as expensive as the 1 bar setup...hmm almost makes sense to me hehe.
10-15-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
yeah, they gotta stop coming out with things first damnit! even if they would lower their pricing on the 2 bar to $99 which would make the 2 bar comparible to a new license on efi live I think that would be a more fair deal...maybe they'll see this and take it under consideration that would make the 2 bar 2x as expensive as the 1 bar setup...hmm almost makes sense to me hehe.
even if they would lower their pricing on the 2 bar to $99 which would make the 2 bar comparible to a new license on efi live I think that would be a more fair deal...maybe they'll see this and take it under consideration that would make the 2 bar 2x as expensive as the 1 bar setup...hmm almost makes sense to me hehe. That is why sometimes it is best to not be first. Its just like racing, just because a car is first to the line, it doesn't mean it is the faster or better car. Hate those damn missed shifts. Kill ya everytime.
10-15-2005, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Black02SS
This is true but what sense would that make??? That is why sometimes it is best to not be first. Its just like racing, just because a car is first to the line, it doesn't mean it is the faster or better car. Hate those damn missed shifts. Kill ya everytime.
That is why sometimes it is best to not be first. Its just like racing, just because a car is first to the line, it doesn't mean it is the faster or better car. Hate those damn missed shifts. Kill ya everytime.
10-15-2005, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
...but with the partnership with superchips it is a possibility that they will offer something like this in the future...near or far i couldnt tell ya.
There were things coming from HPT long before the partnership was even being discussed.
We normally don't say much about these things, but since the partnership was agreed upon a few things have changed.
Here is a link to some things we had in the works.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.p...3287;start=0#0
And yes foff667, you will be pleasantly surprised at what these two companies have coming down the pipe
Ken
10-15-2005, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Sport X2
There were things coming from HPT long before the partnership was even being discussed.
We normally don't say much about these things, but since the partnership was agreed upon a few things have changed.
Here is a link to some things we had in the works.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.p...3287;start=0#0
And yes foff667, you will be pleasantly surprised at what these two companies have coming down the pipe
Ken
We normally don't say much about these things, but since the partnership was agreed upon a few things have changed.
Here is a link to some things we had in the works.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.p...3287;start=0#0
And yes foff667, you will be pleasantly surprised at what these two companies have coming down the pipe
Ken
10-15-2005, 11:38 PM
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something else to consider in you choices...
HPTuners....vehicle type liscenses,meaning you can tune more than 1 vin
EFI---individual vehicle liscenses....meaning $99 for every new car....
thats $99 out of your potential proffit if you are just doing it part time for extra cash.
with HP Tuners I buy my initial package ang I have 2 vehicle types that I can tune....as many cars that came off the assembly line that I want...
I'm doing 98/00/01/02 camaros and birds...tuning has paid for the additional liscenses...and now on all those vehicles its 100% proffit.....and I didnt have to spend $3000 to get dam near every F-body car...or almost 7000 if its EFI
now granted...an unlimited liscense would be nice....but I basically earn my tunes from a local F-BODY board so I only need F-Body Liscenses(still need to purchase 99's...but I got the rest)
HPTuners....vehicle type liscenses,meaning you can tune more than 1 vin
EFI---individual vehicle liscenses....meaning $99 for every new car....
thats $99 out of your potential proffit if you are just doing it part time for extra cash.
with HP Tuners I buy my initial package ang I have 2 vehicle types that I can tune....as many cars that came off the assembly line that I want...
I'm doing 98/00/01/02 camaros and birds...tuning has paid for the additional liscenses...and now on all those vehicles its 100% proffit.....and I didnt have to spend $3000 to get dam near every F-body car...or almost 7000 if its EFI
now granted...an unlimited liscense would be nice....but I basically earn my tunes from a local F-BODY board
so I only need F-Body Liscenses(still need to purchase 99's...but I got the rest)