Street Racing & Kill Stories - ~360 rwhp 02 Z06 vs ~450 rwhp cobra. thats right, nearly 100 hp more, and still not e

click here to watch teh video! (http://66.98.215.243/vb_forums/showthread.php?t=8352)

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That sucked.....it was only a soundclip and no video. :bang:

That sucked.....it was only a soundclip and no video. :bang: here ya go jackass, http://www.divx.com/divx/play/download/

Really? I'm downloading it now so hopefully I'll be able to see some racing.

Even if the Cobra could beat the Z06 the Z06 can do so much more. The Z06 handles, brakes, and looks better than the "Terminator". Don't get me wrong I love the SVT Cobra but I know the Z06 is on another level. I mean the Z06 can eats cars that cost twice as much when it comes handling.

The thing I like about the '03/04 Cobra is I can get a used one for 24K and before I reach the 30K mark with mods I can keep up with and beat some of the supercars out there. SVT went out with a bang with that "new edge" body style didn't they.

roll racing :gay: :gay:

looked pretty much dead even the last run, the first run the cobra missed a gear? also on the last run the cobra looked like it was about to pull on the vette (it actually did pull like a foot since the vette started out a foot or 2 ahead from the start)- but then the cobra let off.

z06= +1
cobra= 0
tie= -1 for both

so

zo6= 0
cobra= -1
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here ya go jackass, http://www.divx.com/divx/play/download/
lol :jest:

Cool race, Vettes make me :drool: and blower whine is even better. :nod:

Cobra wins, you can easily see pull on the last run... it's the faster car.

But WOW that Vette could hang with 100 rwhp less :eek2: ... It would make me want to trade in my Cobra for a Vette if I modded my Cobra to the tune of ~450 rwhp and could barely pull a stock Z06. :jest:

Power to weight played a big factor here. :nod:

I'm not knocking Cobra's, they're badass! :)

nice runs! seem about right my buddie has a 01 c5 coupe with 360rwhp and he ended up going head to head vs a 430rwhp turbo 350z. we where pretty impressed.

Cobras lose races? :confused:

I know this might sound a little bias, but the cobra looked like it won the 2nd race on my computer, and kept pulling ahead little by little??? Also, where are these dyno numbers coming from??? Same dyno same day I'm assuming, right? lol

and 600#'s is about the difference, HUGE!!! From personal experience, with completely equal (or close to it) drivers and equal traction, the cobra needs at LEAST 70rwhp to be able to beat it, and 40-60 more to stay even.

Those were good races but it is like comparing apples and oranges between the cars, even though they were neck and neck. It just seems like so much more effort went into the Z06 than the Cobra when the two were designed. The Cobra and a WS6 or SS would be a much better comparison IMO. Those Cobras are still damn nice but I just wish they weighed less, had better looks, and handled like that Z06 does. BTW, a guy in another thread on here picked up a '01 Z06 with 24,000 miles for $24,000. The deals are out there.

Yea now a days you can get a 01-04 Z06 for about the exact same price as a Cobra with the same amount of miles.

Imagine that z06 with a stout cam! All motor, pulling on a forced induction v-8---priceless!

Stupid a$$ Divx video's!! wmv's work for all, use them!

Stupid a$$ Divx video's!! wmv's work for all, use them!

Or quit being a lazy ass and download the divx codec lol

Great race. I love both of those cars and to all those that try to compare..they were designed for different purposes obviously. The cobra is a 4 seater and a pretty damn good one at that and the z06 is a track car and again..a pretty damn good one at that!

Even if the Cobra could beat the Z06 the Z06 can do so much more. The Z06 handles, brakes, and looks better than the "Terminator". Don't get me wrong I love the SVT Cobra but I know the Z06 is on another level. I mean the Z06 can eats cars that cost twice as much when it comes handling.

The thing I like about the '03/04 Cobra is I can get a used one for 24K and before I reach the 30K mark with mods I can keep up with and beat some of the supercars out there. SVT went out with a bang with that "new edge" body style didn't they.
The thing about a ZO6 is that you can also get one for $24K. HMMM, I choose ZO6.

I tried downloading the latest "codec" bullshit many times over the past couple of years and it never works. Has some type of error on my comp. All other media players work fine for me. Just gets frustrating not being able to see the video's that use this software.

Those were good races but it is like comparing apples and oranges between the cars, even though they were neck and neck. It just seems like so much more effort went into the Z06 than the Cobra when the two were designed. The Cobra and a WS6 or SS would be a much better comparison IMO. Those Cobras are still damn nice but I just wish they weighed less, had better looks, and handled like that Z06 does. BTW, a guy in another thread on here picked up a '01 Z06 with 24,000 miles for $24,000. The deals are out there.

lol yeah if they were totally different cars they would be great. :jest:

Looks like they're pretty much equal. the cobra would pull some, then the vette would pull it back. Obviously though, the vette's driver is better.

The thing about a ZO6 is that you can also get one for $24K. HMMM, I choose ZO6.

Well don't use my example as the norm. Fact is, I got an unusual steal of a deal. Sure you can find other Z06's for $24k but they will likely be high mileage cars. For lower mileage, mint condition Z's like mine, you are usually looking at around $27-28k for 01's and $29-30k for 02's and so on. And thats for private party sales not Stealerships.

The thing about a ZO6 is that you can also get one for $24K. HMMM, I choose ZO6.

Yep but finding a good one for 24K is very rare. Plus insurance is alot higher on the Vette if that's an issue. I'm only 21 and I know if I get a Z06 the insurance will be the cost of two car payments. I think the Cobra is a little lower. Plus the costs of things like tires, oil change, etc.. is alot more for the Vette. If I could afford it I'd take the Z06 over the Cobra anyday though..

But WOW that Vette could hang with 100 rwhp less :eek2: ... It would make me want to trade in my Cobra for a Vette if I modded my Cobra to the tune of ~450 rwhp and could barely pull a stock Z06. :jest:

Why would the Cobra want to trade his ride in for a 'Vette?

He could simply spend another $1000 or so (likely about what he spent to hit 450 rwhp) & make it no contest. :jest:
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I did read the rest of your post & comments BTW, so no real offense intended.... :)

One race means nothing. I went 11.29 with 460rwhp. I believe broke7 went 11.21 with 460rwhp or so.

I didn't watch the vid though...just making some off the wall comments. :D

Yep but finding a good one for 24K is very rare. Plus insurance is alot higher on the Vette if that's an issue. I'm only 21 and I know if I get a Z06 the insurance will be the cost of two car payments. I think the Cobra is a little lower. Plus the costs of things like tires, oil change, etc.. is alot more for the Vette. If I could afford it I'd take the Z06 over the Cobra anyday though..

Actually, belive it or not my Z06 cost the same per month for car insurance as my 99 WS6 did through either Allstate or Geico.

Why would the Cobra want to trade his ride in for a 'Vette?
Yeah seriously, why would anyone in their right mind want to own a Z06 over a Cobra? ;)

He could simply spend another $1000 or so (likely about what he spent to hit 450 rwhp) & make it no contest. :jest: ?
And the vette has no further modification options?

Yep but finding a good one for 24K is very rare. Plus insurance is alot higher on the Vette if that's an issue. I'm only 21 and I know if I get a Z06 the insurance will be the cost of two car payments. I think the Cobra is a little lower. Plus the costs of things like tires, oil change, etc.. is alot more for the Vette. If I could afford it I'd take the Z06 over the Cobra anyday though..

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Uhh .... The Z06 has an LS6 in it - oil change, tires, etc will all cost about the same as an F-bod.

Stupid a$$ Divx video's!! wmv's work for all, use them!

No they don't work on Linux. Proprietary winblows codecs suck. Use
mpg video!

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Uhh .... The Z06 has an LS6 in it - oil change, tires, etc will all cost about the same as an F-bod.

Well not exactly. LS6 takes 7 quarts of oil. Stock tires are more expensive (rears are 18X10.5 and a lot less tire options to choose from to get a better price). Many stock replacement parts & repairs are more expensive. Many aftermarket parts are quite a bit more expensive too: For example, LT's are $1200 and up. Even things that shgould be about the sam, like cam swaps, shops will usually charge more for a Vette.

If that Cobra makes that power, something is up. With only 390whp I am able to take stock Z06's. How heavy is the Cobra? Like 3500?

If that Cobra makes that power, something is up. With only 390whp I am able to take stock Z06's. How heavy is the Cobra? Like 3500?

track times?

I thought the Cobras were like 3650 without a driver. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Thats just what I heard. What does the C5 Z06 weigh without a driver?

Nevermind, here is a very nice comparison between the '03 Cobra and the '03 Z06.
http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28

Ford Mustang Cobra: 360 RWHP = 424 FWHP (factory spec 390)
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 345 RWHP = 406 FWHP (factory spec 405)

Manufacturers 1/4 mile claims - Cobra = 13.1 sec. (3665 lbs curb weight)
Z06 = 12.4 sec. (3118 lbs curb weight) 547 pound difference between the two! :eek2:

Average STOCK 1/4 mile times taken from online forums - Cobra = 12.7 – 13.3 sec.
Z06 = 12.2 – 12.5 sec.

Actually 02 Z06's probably average around 360rwhp, I have seen some have been as high as 370rwhp stock. And yeah the weight difference between the Z and the Cobra is huge. Toolman, you might have won a couple street races but don't automatically assume your car is faster. I don't think you will beat many 02+ Z's with decent drivers if all you have is 390rwhp. Now if you are talking from a dig and you have DR's and they are on stock tires, well thats different...than that just becomes a traction issue.

Well not exactly. LS6 takes 7 quarts of oil. Stock tires are more expensive (rears are 18X10.5 and a lot less tire options to choose from to get a better price). Many stock replacement parts & repairs are more expensive. Many aftermarket parts are quite a bit more expensive too: For example, LT's are $1200 and up. Even things that shgould be about the sam, like cam swaps, shops will usually charge more for a Vette.

Oh sure, but if you goto a shop to get you're work done then you are getting bent over to begin with ... and they will most certainly charge more just because it's a vette.

I am talking about a significant difference in the cost of operation ... I don't see how an extra $10 for oil every 3,000 miles, and an extra $100-200 bucks for tires every 30,000 miles could really stop someone from buying a Z06. If you do the normal oil changes and maintence shit yourself as most people do (especially if they are concerned with spending money), there is not much of a cost difference at all.
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I agree the difference in routine maintenance is not huge. But repairs and modding are often going to be quite a bit more(both parts and labor). The one good thing about the mods though is you get more return on your investment b/c the car is so much lighter. Each hp added is a larger performance increase than it is with the Fbod.

Why would the Cobra want to trade his ride in for a 'Vette?

He could simply spend another $1000 or so (likely about what he spent to hit 450 rwhp) & make it no contest. :jest:
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I did read the rest of your post & comments BTW, so no real offense intended.... :)

Yeah if he wants to be faster in a straight line he can keep his Cobra but the Vette looks, handles, and brakes better than the mustang. Plus I don't care what anybody says but driving around in a "Vette" and having that image feels alot better than driving in my "mustang". I've drive around in a C5 Veete and I was like damn I love driving my mustang but this Vette is on another level!!

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Uhh .... The Z06 has an LS6 in it - oil change, tires, etc will all cost about the same as an F-bod.

Maybe I misunderstanded my friend who had a black C5. I think he was saying things like repairs, the type of tires, etc.. cost more on the Vette. I think he was comparing to my mustang.

Actually, belive it or not my Z06 cost the same per month for car insurance as my 99 WS6 did through either Allstate or Geico.

It all depends on your age, driving record, etc..

All of this aside, all I know is that I want a C5 Z06 and I will get one come hell or high water. Don't they trap about 123-125 with full bolt-ons? Some of you may disagree but I think that is pretty fuckin' quick for any car, much less a bolt-on only car.

All of this aside, all I know is that I want a C5 Z06 and I will get one come hell or high water. Don't they trap about 123-125 with full bolt-ons? Some of you may disagree but I think that is pretty fuckin' quick for any car, much less a bolt-on only car.

Well that depends on the particular car, driver and what you consider bolt-on's. A full bolt-on stock internal Z can hit around 120mph, but not everyone and not every Z will do this. People forget just how fast a 120mph trapping car really is. Usually you are going to need at least a cam to go over 120mph, even in a Z. But it all depends. I mean there are bone stock Z's that have trapped 118, and on the other hand there are H/C Z's that trap only 118-119. On the other hand I have seen cam only Z's deep into the 120's. But yes there are cetain bolt-on stock internal Z's that I have seen hit like 123mph, but thats certainly not the norm.

Still though, a cam is doable by most of us here on this board. I'm mainly concerned about what all can be done performance wise to a car while it is in its parking spot in an apartment complex, lol. Kinda like driveway mechanics. IOW, things that can be done without taking your car to a performance shop. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that bolt-ons and a cam can easily be done in your driveway. All work perrformed by you in your driveway + 120+ MPH in the 1/4 = priceless.

Maybe I misunderstanded my friend who had a black C5. I think he was saying things like repairs, the type of tires, etc.. cost more on the Vette. I think he was comparing to my mustang.

Yeah well like I said it all depends on the person. If you are going to the dealership or something to get a vette repaired .. of course they are going to charge more just because it's a vette. However, the actual parts themselves carry a negligible difference in price.

Btw, as for the tires ... you can get a "pep-boy" tire for any car .... it will just be shit. The good tires will cost relatively the same regardless of the type of car.

If I remember right, my Nitto DR's were like $10-20 more per tire for an 18 inch rim .... really not a huge difference when you're talking about something that will be replaced once every 20-35,000 miles.
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Yeah well like I said it all depends on the person. If you are going to the dealership or something to get a vette repaired .. of course they are going to charge more just because it's a vette. However, the actual parts themselves carry a negligible difference in price.

Btw, as for the tires ... you can get a "pep-boy" tire for any car .... it will just be shit. The good tires will cost relatively the same regardless of the type of car.

If I remember right, my Nitto DR's were like $10-20 more per tire for an 18 inch rim .... really not a huge difference when you're talking about something that will be replaced once every 20-35,000 miles.
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A dealership rips anyone off regardless of the car. But if a dealership charges more for vette parts than Fbody parts, well its going to be the same thing at any shops just on a different scale. Fact is shops charge more for both labor and parts on vettes than fbodies. As one example TTP, one of the sponsors here charges a couple hundred more for a cam install on a vette than it does an fbody.

As far as your pep boys tire comment, I don't have any idea what you are talking about. And you say good tires cost relatively the same regardless of the car?? That doesn't make any sense. Obviously it depends on the sizes needed which can vary from car to car, and prices vary between sizes. Not sure where you shop but the last time i checked 295/35/18's cost quite a bit more than 275/40/17's! Also, I am not sure how easy you drive, but I don't think most people here get 25-30k out of their tires. More like 15-20k, maybe less.

The simple fact is a lot of things are more expensive on the vette and it all adds up. Oil changes, tire changes, parts, mods, labor. It's all more espensive and it does add up...you hav to look at the whole picture.

Heck I paid $350 for brand ew LT's for my WS6, now I have to pay $1200 for LT's for my Z06 and those are the cheapest ones! And when i change my oil it will cost a little more, and when I go to get new tires it will cost more and whenever I need to get somethign repaired it will cost more. A lot of things cost more with the vette dude, theres no way around it, lol. But its only natural. I mean its a $50k car instead of a $25-$30k car, thats just the way it is.

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Just a couple of tire examples:

BFG gforce t/a kd
295/35/18 $307
275/40/17 $241
$66X2= $132 more expensive for rear tires

Michelin Pilot sport
295/35/18 $377
275/40/17 $283
$94X2=$188 more

Kuhmo Ecsta MX
295/35/18 $228
275/40/17 $175
$53X2=$106 more

You add everything up between oil, aftermarket and stock parts + labor over the course of time of owning the car and it can be a significant difference. Personalyl i don't think it overwhelming and I think its plenty manageable or I wouldn't own a Vette. But you can't discount the fact that the difference exists and say its virtually the same from one to the next, b/c it's not.

Gee did we stray off topic!

I found some stock and bolt-on times for the '01-'04 Z06 over at the Corvette forums:
Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires

Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02)
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.62x @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03)
Vortech/eb02z061.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02)
Powershifter-1.xxx 60'--11.659 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03)
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02)
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR
Vai------------1.xxx 60'--11.781 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
427CPE-------1.668 60'--11.850 @ 116.42--06/05--DR
L98Terror-----1.702 60'--11.930 @ 113.98--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
dr.juice-------1.675 60'--11.942 @ 114.78--07/05--ET's ('03)
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
Z06addikt-----1.xxx 60'--11.949 @ 117.61--xx/xx--CAI/DR
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI--('02)
UVETTA-------1.79x 60'--12.09x @ xxx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Pray----------1.9xx 60'--12.16x @ 116.31--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Chicago Z06 --1.xxx 60'--12.20x @ 118.00--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('02)
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)

Average = 11.87@117.43

Z06 Stock Long Block and Bolt Ons (more than cai/dr)
(not sure if all should be here or stock (?), yet)

Butcher-----1.58x 60'--11.25x @ 123.7--10/04--Bolt Ons/3.90 ('03)
PaulZ06-----1.xxx 60'--11.37x @ 120.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons/3.73
Qksiver------1.616 60'--11.405 @123.61--01/05--Bolt Ons/Clutch ('02)
Roofer Dave-1.57x 60'--11.769 @ 115.96--06/04--Bolt Ons/4.10 ('03)
dhajek-------1.75x 60'--11.804 @ 118.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
Chief Dave--1.70x 60'--11.82x @ 117.70--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('01)
enderzo6----1.75x 60'--11.984 @ 115.02--10/03--Bolt Ons? ('02)
MSiska------1.830 60'--11.98x @ 117.63--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
McRat-------1.74x 60'--11.990 @ 114.5x--10/02--Bolt Ons? ('02)

Average = 11.71@118.46

Seems like a poorly constructed list to me becasue I seriously doubt there is that much difference between cars. I mean seriously, one bolt-on car ran 114.5 and another ran 123.7? It would be nice if they had listed what bolt-ons instead of the fact that there were bolt-ons.

I found some stock and bolt-on times for the '01-'04 Z06 over at the Corvette forums:

What does that have to do with anything?

What does that have to do with anything?

KB99WS6 and I were talking about what stock and bolt-on Z06s run in the 1/4. Off topic, I know, but interesting to me anyway, considering that I don't have a bad ass Cobra like you do. :bang:

What does that have to do with anything?

The title of this thread concerns a street-driven Z06. I, for one, am glad he posted that because there were some comments about what bolt-on Z06's run.

If that Cobra makes that power, something is up. With only 390whp I am able to take stock Z06's. How heavy is the Cobra? Like 3500?

By 390, you don't mean the stock hp, right?

Cause there's very little chance a stock Cobra will pull a stock Z06. The Z06 won't destroy it, but it will pull the Cobra slowly.

What do you have in your Cobra? Any times? :)

Flexnutz,
Yeah I am plenty familiar with that list and several of the guys on it, but please understand that's more of a hall of fame/best of the best type list as opposed to an indicator of your average Z& driver. Some people with quite a few mods won't even pull times like some of those stockers did. There's a lot of variables. It is however a nice indicator of the potential thats there.

Flexnutz,
Yeah I am plenty familiar with that list and several of the guys on it, but please understand that's more of a hall of fame/best of the best type list as opposed to an indicator of your average Z& driver. Some people with quite a few mods won't even pull times like some of those stockers did. There's a lot of variables. It is however a nice indicator of the potential thats there.


Give your opinion based on the track times you've seen. If you had to give an estimate, what would you say is the AVERAGE (somewhere between the freaks and the poor drivers) time for a bolt-on Z06?

COOL VIDEO.


hope to hang out with you guys again sometime. :)

COOL VIDEO.


hope to hang out with you guys again sometime. :)

Give your opinion based on the track times you've seen. If you had to give an estimate, what would you say is the AVERAGE (somewhere between the freaks and the poor drivers) time for a bolt-on Z06?

theres such variance its hard to giver an average but I will say...

01 Z06 w/LT's & vararam (CAI) Avg range of 11.9-12.5@115-118

02 Z06 w/LT's & Vararam Avg range of 11.7-12.3@117-120

this is just my guesstimate of what i think the average ranges would be, based on what I have seen. In no way I am saying this is hard facts! :)

A dealership rips anyone off regardless of the car. But if a dealership charges more for vette parts than Fbody parts, well its going to be the same thing at any shops just on a different scale. Fact is shops charge more for both labor and parts on vettes than fbodies. As one example TTP, one of the sponsors here charges a couple hundred more for a cam install on a vette than it does an fbody.

As far as your pep boys tire comment, I don't have any idea what you are talking about. And you say good tires cost relatively the same regardless of the car?? That doesn't make any sense. Obviously it depends on the sizes needed which can vary from car to car, and prices vary between sizes. Not sure where you shop but the last time i checked 295/35/18's cost quite a bit more than 275/40/17's! Also, I am not sure how easy you drive, but I don't think most people here get 25-30k out of their tires. More like 15-20k, maybe less.

The simple fact is a lot of things are more expensive on the vette and it all adds up. Oil changes, tire changes, parts, mods, labor. It's all more espensive and it does add up...you hav to look at the whole picture.

Heck I paid $350 for brand ew LT's for my WS6, now I have to pay $1200 for LT's for my Z06 and those are the cheapest ones! And when i change my oil it will cost a little more, and when I go to get new tires it will cost more and whenever I need to get somethign repaired it will cost more. A lot of things cost more with the vette dude, theres no way around it, lol. But its only natural. I mean its a $50k car instead of a $25-$30k car, thats just the way it is.

edit/PS:

Just a couple of tire examples:

BFG gforce t/a kd
295/35/18 $307
275/40/17 $241
$66X2= $132 more expensive for rear tires

Michelin Pilot sport
295/35/18 $377
275/40/17 $283
$94X2=$188 more

Kuhmo Ecsta MX
295/35/18 $228
275/40/17 $175
$53X2=$106 more

You add everything up between oil, aftermarket and stock parts + labor over the course of time of owning the car and it can be a significant difference. Personalyl i don't think it overwhelming and I think its plenty manageable or I wouldn't own a Vette. But you can't discount the fact that the difference exists and say its virtually the same from one to the next, b/c it's not.

Gee did we stray off topic!


I'm not arguing with you ... I think we're saying basically the same thing. What I'm going for is that while there will be a slight difference in costs for repairing/upgrading the vette as opposed to the F-bod (of course) ... it is negligible when you're looking at the big picture, and it really shouldn't be a deciding factor in choosing between the 2 cars.

If you're not running around doing burn-out and other stupid shit, you should get at least 25k out of a decent set of tires. So figure we'll take the middle ground, and say you need to replace tires every 20,000 miles. So if this is a daily driver we're talking about, that's once every year and a half or so, that you will need to spend an extra $200 bucks on the vette.

Anyways, like I was saying, you can always get a crappier tire if you're worried about spending the cash, you can most certainly get a Cooper, Pepboys brand, Sears brand, etc, tire that will run you significantly less than the $250-ish a tire for the top of the line brands.
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any car running times like the Z06--ON MOTOR, is fast!!!

COOL VIDEO.


hope to hang out with you guys again sometime. :)

Dayum!

I've been guilty for some double-posts myself. I've never seen triples before, though! :jest:

theres such variance its hard to giver an average but I will say...

01 Z06 w/LT's & vararam (CAI) Avg range of 11.9-12.5@115-118

02 Z06 w/LT's & Vararam Avg range of 11.7-12.3@117-120

this is just my guesstimate of what i think the average ranges would be, based on what I have seen. In no way I am saying this is hard facts! :)

No, of course, not hard facts... But it sounds good to me. :)

Its not like I wouldn't eventually pull the motor, forge it, and slap a turbo system on my future Z06 anyway but I was just wondering what lightly modded Z06s were running and I'm sure I'm not the only one who was interested. I guess my whole attitude is that the Z06 is bad ass and I want one very badly. Thats why I posted stuff about them.

Still though, a cam is doable by most of us here on this board. I'm mainly concerned about what all can be done performance wise to a car while it is in its parking spot in an apartment complex, lol. Kinda like driveway mechanics. IOW, things that can be done without taking your car to a performance shop. Maybe I'm wrong but I would think that bolt-ons and a cam can easily be done in your driveway. All work perrformed by you in your driveway + 120+ MPH in the 1/4 = priceless.
Your Cobra vs ZO6 article was dead on!
My friend's 03 Snake made 486RWHP and I made 430RWHP= Z by 2 cars everytime.
MODS: AFR heads and Comp cam with LGs and I trap in the 120s
As for money I've got 3500 in Mods:) = 37500 total for my Z (Everyone thinks its on a unit:rotflmao: PRICELESS)

come to texas, z06=dime a dozen.... i bought mine new in late '03 for -$7500.00 off MSRP, i missed the '03 sale at the time -10,500 of msrp.

yes there are several dozens of '01 Z06's for 25k-30k around here and '02 going for $29-34k. the '01's are cheaper due to the fact that they were rated at 385, heads, valve train and cam are not as efficient as 02-04 and dont come with HUD. 2 of my friends have '01's with LT and Yes cam only and they are at 1 of them)405 the 2nd)413 whp. stock cobra's wont run them and a modded 455whp cobra did and didnt pull so he squezzed a 150 shot and pulled a head a couple of car lengths around 120.

they hear my car whistling and wont even think about it, which is funny to me, cause its not that fast, yet.

i just realized that i posted after only reading the first page of the thread, going through all 3 pages and being a Z06 owner that spent 5k on a used pro charger system, i wll say.... i can tell you that Z06 F1 supercar tires can last 26k miles rear and 28k front. my car was a daily driver for the entire '04 year and thats what i put on them in one year. im in the real estate business down here and i did allot of driving, 34k for the year all business, 38k total.

tires are more expensive and there aren't many options. I went with khumo MX series 295/18/35 and 275/17/40 those ran me $835.00 mounted and out the door. That was the best option i can find. I still have the fronts(21K@50-60% tread) with 49k on the car right now, burned through the rears with in 10k. just picked up some used Khumo's 6/32's for $200.00 off another z owner and mounted them on for now.

i need 18X12 335's now because of the pro charger, tire expense just went up. once im at and over the 600 whp mark, i will have to get a 97-98 fuel system from a C5 in a junk yeard in order to upgrade(hp mods cost more money in other areas). the 03-04 systems aren't upgradeable(sealed tank pump inside) and use different componets vs. 97-02. im at 518 whp now, ill soon be well over 600 with a blown 402ci. ill be digging through a GM junkyard soon or spend 2k for an aftermarket fuel system(not).

in the end, this is the puriest from the factory sports car i have ever owned.

You sure you got enough $$ to build and maintain a 600rwhp Z? Usually these guy's arent buying used parts, pulling fuel systems from junk yards and buying used tires, lol. Good luck though, nothing wrong with being thrifty if you make it work. I'm quite the thrifter myself ;)

PS-You'd be better off with 295/35/18 DR's than 335 street tires.

You sure you got enough $$ to build and maintain a 600rwhp Z? Usually these guy's arent buying used parts, pulling fuel systems from junk yards and buying used tires, lol. Good luck though, nothing wrong with being thrifty if you make it work. I'm quite the thrifter myself ;)

PS-You'd be better off with 295/35/18 DR's than 335 street tires.

335's don't do much for traction quite honestly. A taller tire is where it's
at.

Blown04Z06-

No offense, but it seems as if you lack a ton of knowledge about your car and what it takes to make it fast.

Yea LS1s are mysterious like that youll be suprised what they can keep up with stock I was shocked when I kept up with a 2001 vette in my old 2000 Z28 auto maybe I had a freak Z beacuse I kept up with that vette all the way up to 130mph thats when I decided that vettes are not that much diffrent form a Z28/SS Camaro vettes are just more expensive all LS1s are underated !

Yea LS1s are mysterious like that youll be suprised what they can keep up with stock I was shocked when I kept up with a 2001 vette in my old 2000 Z28 auto maybe I had a freak Z beacuse I kept up with that vette all the way up to 130mph thats when I decided that vettes are not that much diffrent form a Z28/SS Camaro vettes are just more expensive all LS1s are underated !

It all depends on the particular car, the particular driver and that particular day. But generally speaking, An 01 C5 with any kind of a decent driver should be several car lengths ahead of a 2000 auto Z28 by the time they hit 130mph, stock for stock. Mod for mod it gets worse for the Z28. 01 C5's have more power than the 98-00 fbody's and the same if not a bit more than the 01-02 Fbods and they weigh quite a bit less & are more aerodynamic. It only makes sense.

It all depends on the particular car, the particular driver and that particular day. But generally speaking, An 01 C5 with any kind of a decent driver should be several car lengths ahead of a 2000 auto Z28 by the time they hit 130mph, stock for stock. Mod for mod it gets worse for the Z28. 01 C5's have more power than the 98-00 fbody's and the same if not a bit more than the 01-02 Fbods and they weigh quite a bit less & are more aerodynamic. It only makes sense.
true, but any HP difference is minor at best, if at all. Which is always an arguable point.

But yes weight and possibly areodynamics. I have no idea what the CO drag or frontal area is of either cars. But in all honesty I doubt there really is much in it, in terms of aero efficency. So it really only leaves weight, and a fully loaded Corvette is not actually much lighter than a fairly basic Z28.

and performance is a strange thing, take the Pagani Zonda, it weighs less than a Jaguar XJ220 and has lightly more power, 550bhp compared to 535bhp. Yet the Jaguar posts the better 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 0-150mph times and has a higher top speed. Weird or what?

I guess that it's down to power delivery and under the curve performance though. But as the Vette and Fbody share engines it's unlikely to be a factor.

C5>Ls1 Fbody, but only slightly IMO :nod:

No it's not a huge difference, but if you spent years observing the 1/4 miles performances of stock 98-00 fbod's vs stock base 01 C5's I think you'll find there's more of a difference than you think. 01 C5's trap 107-110 whereas 98-00 fbodies trap around 103-107, so its significant IMO. The 01-02 Fbodies closed the gap more and realistically mostly made it a drivers race, but the C5 still had a definite edge....again, for obvious reasons :)

what only 4 pages, this is BS, i expected at least 10 pages out you guys! WTF!

when I'm not in the argument...these threads lose me.

what only 4 pages, this is BS, i expected at least 10 pages out you guys! WTF!

STFU and post some video's I can actually watch, and than you'll get your 10 pages, jabroni!

STFU and post some video's I can actually watch, and than you'll get your 10 pages, jabroni!

:eyes: it's not my problem that you aren't smart enough to download the correct driver. looks like your the only one who can't figure it out here. :nutkick:

:buttkick: :chug:

It's a software conflict on my computer. I have tried it many times. I don't know if it's a problem with windows 98 or what but it doesn't work. I have several other media players and they all work fine. But you have to choose the one that doesn't work on my comp! :cry:

:eyes: it's not my problem that you aren't smart enough to download the correct driver. looks like your the only one who can't figure it out here. :nutkick:
:owned: :shiner: j/k

:owned: :shiner:

he didn't own anything. He is still under the impression I have not tried to download the correct driver. I have in fact dloaded it many times, but the player as a whole has a conflict somewhere in my system. Regardless, I know its not his problem, i am just busting on him, b/c its frustrating not to be able to watch whenever he posts a video. Especially when i have practically every other media player out there on my system.

Now get back to daydreaming about that 03 Z06 that you think you are gonna throw a forged 408 in and "slap a turbo" in, money bags. :jest: j/k ;)

:buttkick: :chug:

It's a software conflict on my computer. I have tried it many times. I don't know if it's a problem with windows 98 or what but it doesn't work. I have several other media players and they all work fine. But you have to choose the one that doesn't work on my comp! :cry:
Damn dude, you could afford a Z06 but you can't upgrade your computer. Friggin Win98 is an obsolete OS. :)

LOL I need to hit the lotto before I can do that. Seriously though, can you imagine the times/MPH a Z06 with a turbo'd 408 would run? If you could get traction, of course.

i just realized that i posted after only reading the first page of the thread, going through all 3 pages and being a Z06 owner that spent 5k on a used pro charger system, i wll say.... i can tell you that Z06 F1 supercar tires can last 26k miles rear and 28k front. my car was a daily driver for the entire '04 year and thats what i put on them in one year. im in the real estate business down here and i did allot of driving, 34k for the year all business, 38k total.

tires are more expensive and there aren't many options. I went with khumo MX series 295/18/35 and 275/17/40 those ran me $835.00 mounted and out the door. That was the best option i can find. I still have the fronts(21K@50-60% tread) with 49k on the car right now, burned through the rears with in 10k. just picked up some used Khumo's 6/32's for $200.00 off another z owner and mounted them on for now.

i need 18X12 335's now because of the pro charger, tire expense just went up. once im at and over the 600 whp mark, i will have to get a 97-98 fuel system from a C5 in a junk yeard in order to upgrade(hp mods cost more money in other areas). the 03-04 systems aren't upgradeable(sealed tank pump inside) and use different componets vs. 97-02. im at 518 whp now, ill soon be well over 600 with a blown 402ci. ill be digging through a GM junkyard soon or spend 2k for an aftermarket fuel system(not).

Hey, do you mind if we see more pics of your wife/girlfriend? I assume that is her in your avatar and if it is then WOW, especially 4 months after having a kid. I'm not talking dirty pics, just clean, conservative pics of her in regular clothes. Well, unless you want to show her to us in a bikini. ;) BTW, here they seem to fatten up like a dead body in the water after having kids, regardless of their previous size, lol. :jest:

Cobras lose races? :confused: :eek2: UNBELIEVABLE :eek2:

Yep, that was me and my car.

Damn dude, you could afford a Z06 but you can't upgrade your computer. Friggin Win98 is an obsolete OS. :)

I actually have a nice shiny newer computer sitting on the floor right next to this one, but I have so much stuff on my current HD I don't want to lose. I was gonna setup the new one to use this HD too but I just been procrastinating for so long. My comp is a PII 350, lol. But hey I have cable high speed internet and it runs good! My computer at work is a newer Dell and I don't notice a difference to be honest.

I love the avatar Flexnutz gotta be carful saying that around the my work place or I might get accused of sexual harassment!

Yeah, telling someone that they are going to get raped is probably not the best thing to say at work. :jest: Especially if you tell them that guy is going to do it.

Nice races! :drive: