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CashMoney
10-18-2005, 10:06 PM
Well Low and behold I found bubbles on the roof.. the infamous clear coat seperating. Where can I get that repaired in Indiana. I went to the lafayette, IN dealership and I am not having any luck. I have an '01 Camaro SS, 24K miles on it, out of warranty, and It has seen the rain twice. I wash and wax it every week and it is garage kept.. Way to go GM Engineers! :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

black01_WS6
10-19-2005, 05:13 PM
Just had the same thing happen to mine last week. Need to say Im pissed off too.

PontiacFan
10-19-2005, 10:20 PM
Download a copy of the TSB & take it to your dealer. If that particular dealer won't help, ..., see another, ...
Most everyone gets it repaired by the dealer. Some have had to pay 1/2, but I wouldn't volunteer that until the absolute last chance.
Use the search function to find the info. Or PM an email address & I'll send ya a copy if necessary.

As they say, ..., "Been There, Done That", ...

CashMoney
10-20-2005, 09:52 AM
Download a copy of the TSB & take it to your dealer. If that particular dealer won't help, ..., see another, ...
Most everyone gets it repaired by the dealer. Some have had to pay 1/2, but I wouldn't volunteer that until the absolute last chance.
Use the search function to find the info. Or PM an email address & I'll send ya a copy if necessary.

As they say, ..., "Been There, Done That", ...
Yup I've made copies. I'll find out if the dealer will take care of it today if not I'm driving it to indianapolis.

CashMoney
10-20-2005, 01:18 PM
Well I found out today if your in the lafayette are and your roof bubbles you'll have less red tape to punch through to get your roof fixed if you take it to Mike Raiser Pontiac on Earl Ave. I'm still Dealing with Bill Defouw Chevrolet but I have heard from 2 dependable sources they took their F-bodies to Mike Raisor and had no problems.

MaLfUnCtIoN
10-20-2005, 07:40 PM
That sounds great. How is the turbo install on the daily driver coming?

CashMoney
10-21-2005, 07:01 AM
That sounds great. How is the turbo install on the daily driver coming?
Getting there.. I have the exhaust manifold halfway done.

MaLfUnCtIoN
10-21-2005, 08:13 PM
Not trying o be a hijacker,but I would like to see that turbo install when it is done.

BlackFormula01
10-23-2005, 12:50 AM
Well Low and behold I found bubbles on the roof.. the infamous clear coat seperating. Where can I get that repaired in Indiana. I went to the lafayette, IN dealership and I am not having any luck. I have an '01 Camaro SS, 24K miles on it, out of warranty, and It has seen the rain twice. I wash and wax it every week and it is garage kept.. Way to go GM Engineers! :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Hey Nate,
Sorry to hear about the roof. I guess its contaigous. I'm gonna talk to the family and see what I can do. If it works out, I'll let you know. At worst you would have to drive the car up north to have it worked on.
Ed

CashMoney
10-24-2005, 01:27 PM
Not trying o be a hijacker,but I would like to see that turbo install when it is done.


Yeah I'll post pics and stuff as I get it together..

And
Hey Nate,
Sorry to hear about the roof. I guess its contaigous. I'm gonna talk to the family and see what I can do. If it works out, I'll let you know. At worst you would have to drive the car up north to have it worked on.
Ed

Thanks man I'm still fighting with the Chevy Guys.. I'm taking it to pontiac and see what they say after work and the gym today.

CashMoney
10-24-2005, 05:27 PM
UPDATE! I got a call from the GM lady. She tells me the manager at Bill Defouw Chevrolet in Lafayette does not trust his crew to work on my car. He also stated that they have never done the repair on the sail panel before. :bang: So then they tell the lady that I have to take it to Bill Estes Chevrolet in Indianapolis. :bang: :bang: So I call down there to make an appointment to take my car in to get fixed and I find out they don't have a body shop they contract it out to some place in Noblesville, IN :bang: :bang: :bang: I say fuck that and I drive to Mike Raisor Pontiac in Lafayette here becuase 2 people told me to go to them and get it fixed. The guy there tells me 1. They won't fix it becuase it is a Chevy and not a Firebird. and 2. That I need to take it to the chevy place. and 3. They have not repaired one. I feel like doing this to GM :guns: :kali: :laser: :shiner: :owned: :soapbox:

RPM WS6
10-24-2005, 06:05 PM
I say fuck that and I drive to Mike Raisor Pontiac in Lafayette here becuase 2 people told me to go to them and get it fixed. The guy there tells me 1. They won't fix it becuase it is a Chevy and not a Firebird. and 2. That I need to take it to the chevy place.

Something is very wrong with either that service writer, or the dealer's service policy in general.

I could understand a pontiac dealer not wanting to work on a chevy still under warranty, but if the repair is coming out of your pocket then this is total :bs:

I always take my Bonneville to a chevy dealer when it needs something I can't fix, because the particular dealer I go to has consistantly provided me with the best service and quality repairs of any shop I've ever been to, so I take all my GM cars to them. Never once have they mentioned a word about only working on chevys. That's just dumb, GM is GM. Many parts and specs are interchangeable between GM brands. Hell, when my Bonneville was in an accident a few years back I even took it to that same chevy dealer's body shop, and they had no problem doing the repair.

CashMoney
10-26-2005, 07:03 AM
UPDATE! I called the Indy Dealership to make an appointment to get them to look at it and the guy I'm susposed to talk to is on vacation for the next week and a half.
I also got the quote from Twin City Collision Repair for them to fix it if I have to pay out of pocket and the price tag comes to 1200 bones.. my DD didn't even cost that much

BlackFormula01
10-26-2005, 05:42 PM
I'm going home this weekend, I'll be sure to ask about all of those policies. I could have sworn as long as the car is under warrant, or even if it isn't, it shouldn't matter which type of GM dealership the car is taken too. I could be mistaken however.
Ed

RPM WS6
10-26-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm going home this weekend, I'll be sure to ask about all of those policies. I could have sworn as long as the car is under warrant, or even if it isn't, it shouldn't matter which type of GM dealership the car is taken too. I could be mistaken however.
Ed

If it's going to be covered under warranty, then I doubt anyone but a Chevy dealer will do the repair. If it's out-of-pocket, then any dealer will/should do it.

SporkLover
10-26-2005, 08:58 PM
RPM.. as long as there is a dealership with a body shop.

I have not found a dealership in my immediate area with a body shop.... nearest one is 2 hours. That sucks.

I have the infamous bubbles too. 2001 ss, 45k miles... that sucks.

CashMoney
11-03-2005, 06:06 PM
Finally it is getting fixed. After all this fighting and calling around and switching dealerships I found one to fix the roof under warranty.

MaLfUnCtIoN
11-03-2005, 06:36 PM
Glad to hear that you are finally getting this issue resolved,even if you can't divulge the name of the dealer.

Cephiros
11-03-2005, 07:20 PM
i jsut noticed mine bubbling on the sides not the top of the sail panel, easy enough, even out of pocket, though problem is, i ahve stripe decals on me roof :/ not sure how to go about having this fixed while still retaining my decals :/

JRracing
11-03-2005, 08:20 PM
Your decals will have to come off. You will have to get new ones.

JRracing
11-03-2005, 08:28 PM
I can't help butting in this one. I am a 14 year bodyman that has the same problem with mine. But my car is also a rebuilt title, meaning it was totalled before I got it.
When i got it, it was blistering, I thought it was from a bad repair so I repaied it. It came back, so I repaired it again with differant material thats made for that SMC pannel. It came back again only even bigger.
So now this winter I'm cutting the whole pannel off and glueing a new pannel on. The pannel in going to cost me 400 bucks. And it's a fucking pain to cut it off. I have to remove the hatch and T top trim. It's a messy job but I'm tired off messin with it.

the pannel is made of a SMC resin and fibers that give it strength. If someone put regular body filler in it, it will blister again. they have to use a special material for SMC. I did that and it did not work so I give up. It's coming off for a new pannel!

Good luck everyone. I hope everybody has better luck than I did!

y2k_ta
11-04-2005, 07:27 PM
I can't help butting in this one. I am a 14 year bodyman that has the same problem with mine. But my car is also a rebuilt title, meaning it was totalled before I got it.
When i got it, it was blistering, I thought it was from a bad repair so I repaied it. It came back, so I repaired it again with differant material thats made for that SMC pannel. It came back again only even bigger.
So now this winter I'm cutting the whole pannel off and glueing a new pannel on. The pannel in going to cost me 400 bucks. And it's a fucking pain to cut it off. I have to remove the hatch and T top trim. It's a messy job but I'm tired off messin with it.

the pannel is made of a SMC resin and fibers that give it strength. If someone put regular body filler in it, it will blister again. they have to use a special material for SMC. I did that and it did not work so I give up. It's coming off for a new pannel!

Good luck everyone. I hope everybody has better luck than I did!

That sounds like a big pain. If you're not too distraught during the whole process, take some pics of the progress for us. This topic has been brought up here numerous times, so maybe some firsthand pics will help answer a lot of those questions.

CashMoney
12-23-2005, 07:06 PM
Well as promised I would release the name of the place doing the work. My car is currently down there they are replacing the sail panel for free. No cost to me what-so-ever. When they are done I'll let you all know the job quality.
Penske Chevrolet on 96th and keystone in Indianapolis, IN.

Nate

tuff
12-24-2005, 10:13 AM
Im a body tech and been in business for 20 years i read a little of this post and i can give some details on whats going on.I got a service bulliten on the problem that gm is having with this.The problem is the bonding materail that they use to bond the smc roof panel on to the car is the glue is gasing off and making the paint bubble/blister.The only way to repair it correct is to cut off the old roof and bond a new one on.Now some people will think won't it do it again.The bonding materials that are on the market are far better than whats under the roof of are cars.As for taking to the dealer for repairs most of them are in the dark ages so be very careful.We have done gm warranty work but its been a while.If you get gm to warranty your roof you should get a shop of you choise to repair it.If you choose to paint it will fail in time.Just get it in the hot sun.BTW there is a lot of dealers that don't even have body shops anymore so it gets sublet to local body shop so like i said be careful on were your droping off your car.

CashMoney
12-27-2005, 07:15 PM
Im a body tech and been in business for 20 years i read a little of this post and i can give some details on whats going on.I got a service bulliten on the problem that gm is having with this.The problem is the bonding materail that they use to bond the smc roof panel on to the car is the glue is gasing off and making the paint bubble/blister.The only way to repair it correct is to cut off the old roof and bond a new one on.Now some people will think won't it do it again.The bonding materials that are on the market are far better than whats under the roof of are cars.As for taking to the dealer for repairs most of them are in the dark ages so be very careful.We have done gm warranty work but its been a while.If you get gm to warranty your roof you should get a shop of you choise to repair it.If you choose to paint it will fail in time.Just get it in the hot sun.BTW there is a lot of dealers that don't even have body shops anymore so it gets sublet to local body shop so like i said be careful on were your droping off your car.


when I get the invoice I'll check the parts numbers to see if they use the new bonding stuff or if they re-use the stuff causing the bubbling.. Thanks for the warning.