thedreamer

i have camaro 1998 z28 4a conv. with LT headers, Y pipe, SLP exhaust system without cats, SLP led, k&n filter crank pulley 342 ring & pinion set and ls6 hot cam

i want to buy the stongest cam and heads package for daily use car and race with my friends in weekends so can u help me to choose and what is your recommendation also can i know if my engine can handle the power coming from the heads and cam

Thanks a lot

hpjunky98

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daily driver...well do u have emmisions to worry about? do you mind a choppy idol? how many miles on your car?

NOS USER

cheater heads & cam packages

CBX

224/228 114 LSA with AFR 205's is a pretty good bet. I'm waiting for the new Dart 205's to come out. Supposed to be pretty good numbers and they are only about $1,280 for both heads fully assembled. If they flow anything like they claim, they have to be the buy of the century. Make sure to change your cam chain to an LS2, it's much beefier and you have to take it out anyways, same for the oil pump, you will want a high flow pump, I just bought one from Lingenfelter for $89.00.

thedreamer

from where u i can get this heads and cam and how many HP i'get
also i don't care about emmisions or idol

Steel Chicken

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im pretty sure they are $1200 EACH, double check

99blancoSS

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This is an expensive way to go. Honestly I wouldnt waste money on afr 205's. There are less expensive heads that flow just as good with just as good a quality out there. My opinion from looking at flow numbers from a few different vendors selling 5.3 heads. IMHO if your loooking for the best street daily driver setup on a stock block I would go with TSP/PRC 2.5's and a tr224 cam on a 112 lsa. With that combo I'm putting down more torque than an fm13 and actualy out pull it through 5800 rpms. about 440hp and 420tq, my numbers are in my sig with a mustang dyno. Now you can get higher peak hp numbers with the fm13 or bigger cams but they are above 6000 rpms. I havent seen a dyno yet with better numbers below 5800 rpms. Only using an ls6 intake as well. A 90/90 would net better gains. Darts arent out yet are they? Havent seen a single graph of them yet but if you dont mind waiting they might be worth it as well, but for the money it would be hard to beat TSP and TR. You dont even need the cam package just the cam and hardened pushrods. You could even get the cam used for cheap money I'm sure. The TSP heads are about 1530 or something and a used cam should be between 200-300, then all you need is gaskets and a timing chain, maybe a ported oil pump for safety. All kinds of ways to save on this if you want to.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-Co...09945180QQrdZ1

99blancoSS

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Yea I'd be highly suprised if you could get a pair of Dart heads for $1300 bucks. IF so

MJD

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http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...tegoryId=29493

99blancoSS

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No flow numbers though, couldnt find them anywhere. SHeeesh thats good deal. the valve springs arent rated as high as you get with PRC heads but they are good to .600 lift. Ok found the numbers. They dont flow as much but they're not off by much either. I'd say its right in the ball park with pricing. Slightly less money for slighty less flow. Still a good deal.

napoleon

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a 226/226 cam of your choice and PRC 5.3s are a good bet. Thats what i am running and i drive the car everyday and get 18mpg in the city. expect 430whp

ringram

Dart head flow rate is available here, so they are definately a good price.
I dont think stock is available until November sometime..

http://www.dartheads.com/manager/uploads/LS1Flyer.pdf

I see carshopinc.com has them listed for £588.95!

redtail2426

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afr 205's and that afr cam 224/228 114 is a proven combo.Other heads may have the same peak flow numbers but will not provide the same performance as the afr's,no question about it.480 rwhp can be seen with there heads and cam.

99blancoSS

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I've seen a dyno graph on here with this combo and it didnt beat mine. It was close and is a good setup and proven but so are the prc 2.5 heads with and fm13 or mytr224. For the money, they arent better.

redtail2426

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post your graph i would like to see it.i will try to find the graph from the afr head and cam package.

777

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It's very misleading to say that 480rwhp can be had from this combo. Yes that's possible, but you have no idea how much money went into making that work. Using Tony's car as an example of what off the shelf afr's and a small cam will do is very NAIVE! He has the top of the line bolt-ons with his port matching and high velocity porting. With as much money as you would spend doing what he did you could buy yourself a 408 a nice big cam and some stg 3 heads and make 550rwhp. I would venture to say he did what he did more to prove a point and show what his heads *can* do with the right combo.

redtail2426

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true but the point is it can be done,450 is attainable by the average joe no problem though.

99blancoSS

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I'm kind of hosed right now. I dont have any photo shop to shrink it to fit the 500x500, working on it though.

thedreamer

could u tell me where can i find that heads and cams and what u think of patriot heads

99blancoSS

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My heads and cam? My heads are fromTexas Speed and my cam was from Thunder Racing. Personaly I dont have any experience with Patriot heads. I joined here just as they were having some issues that really put a bad taste in your mouth towards thier heads. Its been a while and I think the problem was corrected, but you only get one chance to make a first impression. I wouldnt buy them, but thats just me. You can post and ask people with them to speak up. IF you buy the TSP head or any ported head for that matter it should cojme with sufficeint vavle springs to run the cam so all you need when you purchase the cam is pushrods. You wont need the cam "package" that people sell, and really you can find a used tr224 on ebay and save more money. Cams dont go bad unless there was a major event with the motor, its really hard to hurt one.