Nitrous Oxide Installation | Tuning | Products
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

progressive question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-20-2005, 09:23 PM
  #1  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (7)
 
NX_CaGEdApE00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default progressive question

Anyone ever done a 300 shot on a stock bottom end by starting at 30 percent and building to a 100 percent in like 9 seconds??

Just wondering.... is it safe or is there a better way
Old 11-20-2005, 09:42 PM
  #2  
TECH Regular
 
Zeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

no way in HELL your motor would take that. Especially if its going to have a T-Rex in it.

Even if it could it wouldn't matter because your tires would liquify, your tranny would break, your 10bolt would pop.
Old 11-20-2005, 09:52 PM
  #3  
TECH Apprentice
Thread Starter
iTrader: (7)
 
NX_CaGEdApE00's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Edmond, OK
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i have a 9in and a built, proshifted trans.. 28 x 10.5 et drags...

in all reality i am considering doing a 225 shot with 50 percent and around 6 seconds delay to 100 percent
Old 11-20-2005, 11:16 PM
  #4  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (22)
 
mattsls1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Kansas
Posts: 596
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Dude....A 200 shot will be plenty. I'm going to try a 150 progressive shot next year. Go small and work up David!
Old 11-20-2005, 11:49 PM
  #5  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
JetVette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 59
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Too mild. Start with the 300 like the big boys
Old 11-21-2005, 12:11 AM
  #6  
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Waco, TX
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

A 150 is all we suggest on a stock bottom end. I do know many customers spraying 200 and some 250 on a stock bottom end. But a 300 is going to be very trickey. It will deffintly need to be progressive and the tune up will need to be perfect and you still may have a nice hole in the block when you are done.
Dave
Old 11-21-2005, 12:12 AM
  #7  
TECH Regular
 
Zeus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 470
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NX_CaGEdApE00
i have a 9in and a built, proshifted trans.. 28 x 10.5 et drags...

in all reality i am considering doing a 225 shot with 50 percent and around 6 seconds delay to 100 percent
In that case you might get away with a 225 shot. People pretty much agree that 550RWHP is pretty safe with the stock bottom end. Some people say higher, but almost everyone agrees that after 600 you're playing russian roulette. With a Trex and 225 shot, you'll be at or beyond that point. I'd drop down to a 200 and make sure you get a safe, spot-on tune, not just one where some guy does a few pulls on the dyno and sends you out the door.
Old 11-21-2005, 11:30 PM
  #8  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
cantdrv65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: TEXASS
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Post

Brook '99 Redhawk who was the first to attempt really big shots on the stock bottom Ls1 did this. He had a two stage TNT system spraying a total of 300... It lasted a few runs but he would melt plugs etc almost every pass. Then he proclaimed he was going to try to blow the engine. He activated the full 300 off the line and succeeded. The pics of the engine destruction was some of the most graphic and disturbing Ive seen on an Ls1.
Old 11-21-2005, 11:49 PM
  #9  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
70Stang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 773
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

This is a friend of mine -

Originally Posted by ZoomZ
For those of you that always wanted to see the inside of my tortured cylinders .

I was suprised to see no real damage any where after 106,000 miles and all the big *** shots of nitrous ive feed through this motor .


Driver side pistons 1-3-5-7 , #3 has a few tiny pits and the rest are clean with a little carbon .




Head for 1-3-5-7 , again #3 is slightly pitted and the rest are clean .


Passanger 2-4-6-8 , All clean with a little carbon .


Passanger head 2-4-6-8 , clean , little carbon .
I think its truely amazing there are no craters or chunks of ceramic and tungston imbedded in the pistons and heads .
I have destroyed 7 sets of spark plugs in this motor so far only to find no real damage .

I get to go to the track Friday night ,,, WAAAHHHhhhooooo ! !
Was spraying 300 (150+150) and every other combo of 250-200-225-xxx in between...


So, the LS1 will take a beating.
Old 11-21-2005, 11:51 PM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
SSDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Burbank, CA
Posts: 568
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Brook '99 Redhawk who was the first to attempt really big shots on the stock bottom Ls1 did this. He had a two stage TNT system spraying a total of 300... It lasted a few runs but he would melt plugs etc almost every pass. Then he proclaimed he was going to try to blow the engine. He activated the full 300 off the line and succeeded. The pics of the engine destruction was some of the most graphic and disturbing Ive seen on an Ls1.
do you have a link to some of the pics. I would really like to see them.
Old 11-22-2005, 01:47 AM
  #11  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
cantdrv65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: TEXASS
Posts: 3,202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Post

Brook was the first but since that time which was at least 3 to 5 years ago, 9's have been turned again and again on the stock shortblock.... It can be done but it has to be tuned perfectly.

As for the pics of Brookes car, I really have no idea where to look....
Old 11-22-2005, 11:50 AM
  #12  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (13)
 
blacktransam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: apoopka, fl
Posts: 1,414
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

zoomz's car is for real.. i have put well over 200 through mine.. saing 550 hp is safe is ******* BULLSHIT .. 400 hp will blow the motor if done wrong 600+ can be safe if done right..
Old 11-22-2005, 01:50 PM
  #13  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Robert56's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tacoma, WA
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

For what ever it's worth, a guy around here was putting 575rwhp and ended up busting a ring land on a LS6. Now he was doing a all in one torque monster hit outta the hole. My self, I am breaking the torque up a bit to insure that my stock block will live for awhile. Doing 150 passes a season, if not set up correctly, like has been stated a couple times, I would probably have seen the end of my block allready. Also, another thing that has been said I follow also, that's start smallish and work your way up. This way you can insure your tune is right on and avoid potential problems. Good luck
Robert




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:34 PM.