Pontiac GTO 2004-2006 - Stock 04 GTO Quarter mile and Dyno?

Does anyone know what the average 04 GTO dynos at? Also, what do they typically run in the quarter mile?

13.5-14.0 would be the norm. Some have gone into the low low 13s.

my 04 m6 gto dyno'd 302/322, ran 13.1's@105mph in completely bone stock form.

Unless it's on the same dyno and the same track, on the same day, it's apples and oranges.

Just to compare, stock I was about 278hp / 306ftlb on a Dynojet with the old SAE rating system. With that I ran a best of 14.1 @ 101mph. The new rating system will reduce your numbers by about 10hp/ftlb on the 04 GTO.

FYI, here's some other cars with adjusted HP ratings under the new SAE system:

Horsepower ratings
Vehicle - 2005 - 2006
Acura MDX 265 253
Acura RL 300 290
Acura RSX 160 155
Chevrolet Corvette LS7 500 505
Cadillac XLR 440 469
Honda Civic 200 197
Lexus LS430 290 278
Pontiac G6 200 201
Toyota Corolla 130 126
Scion xB 108 103

Note that Ford hasn't adjusted their ratings yet.

Well since you said AVERAGE..

Id say the 04 a4 dynos 285 rwhp and runs 13.8 at 101 mph

And the 04 mn6 dynos 295 rwhp and runs 13.6 at 103 mph

There are people that have done a lot better and people that have done a lot worst...

But thats about the AVERAGE....

If your curious about the numbers for the 05 models on average just add 45 rwhp to the dyno nubers and 3 tenths and 3 mph to the 1/4 mile times and theres your average.

oddly, there have been alot of gtos at MIR in maryland running low 15s, i really cant explain that, unless they were all sticks driven by grandmothers...i dont even know if they were 04s or 05+s, i would hope that for the sake of the ls2 that they were 04s even though i would be embarassed that an ls1 car could run so slow. of course these were probably the worst example of gtos.

I go to MIR all the time I run and haven't seen any 15 second goats. Unless its a missed shift or totally blown launch. I got mine down to 13.25 when it was stock. Would have gotten down to a 13.1x if I didn't start modding :)

Of course you can find any car that runs slow. I've seen 15 second Cobra's and Vipers. When someone else jumps in the car, instant 3 seconds lopped off. So it does happen.

Well since you said AVERAGE..

Id say the 04 a4 dynos 285 rwhp and runs 13.8 at 101 mph

And the 04 mn6 dynos 295 rwhp and runs 13.6 at 103 mph

There are people that have done a lot better and people that have done a lot worst...

But thats about the AVERAGE....

If your curious about the numbers for the 05 models on average just add 45 rwhp to the dyno nubers and 3 tenths and 3 mph to the 1/4 mile times and theres your average.


Are we talking about the average GTO here or the average driver?

I disagree that the average 04 m6 gto is a 13.6 car, I'd say 13.2-13.3 max, maybe the average driver may only get it to run a 13.6 but that's not what the car can do.

oddly, there have been alot of gtos at MIR in maryland running low 15s, i really cant explain that, unless they were all sticks driven by grandmothers...i dont even know if they were 04s or 05+s, i would hope that for the sake of the ls2 that they were 04s even though i would be embarassed that an ls1 car could run so slow. of course these were probably the worst example of gtos.

I ran a 15 sec pass there once - when I smoked my clutch :judge:

oddly, there have been alot of gtos at MIR in maryland running low 15s, i really cant explain that, unless they were all sticks driven by grandmothers...

Low 15s to high 14s is what a completely stock 2004 GTO runs at Bandimere (5,800 feet above sea level and DAs in the 7,000 to 9,000 range).

As a point of refernce I went to two GTO gatherings at MIR this past summer and don't recall seeing any M6s that couldn't run a sub-14 and I don't think there was anyone outside of the 14s, regardless.

There weren't many NA Goats in the 12s at the time, and none in the 11s, altough there was one that should have been there based on trap speed.

I think most N/A Goats with decent tires are going to run low to high 12s and anyone running 11s in street trim would have to have forced induction or a stroked out motor.

I ran a 15 sec pass there once - when I smoked my clutch :judge:

haha might have been you, is yours black??

i swear i definitely saw one or two gtos consistently running low 15s, maybe they were running on 4 cylinders...i wasnt the only one who saw it.

In April, I dynoed 302.4/326.7 with just the LPE CAI (not tuned). Ran 14.01 at 102 the same way in May (Norwalk,OH)

I haven't run mine in the quarter mile yet but I did put down 308whp adn 321wtq with only a K&N CAI.

Power in sig, mostly 13.8's and 13.9's for me when I was stock

haha might have been you, is yours black??

i swear i definitely saw one or two gtos consistently running low 15s, maybe they were running on 4 cylinders...i wasnt the only one who saw it.

nah - its silver and actually runs 11's

sorry but 04 mn6 goats dont run 13.2's..They run 13.6's with decent drivers on average.....Extremely FREAK 04 GTo's can run low 13's.. But not all of them..

So I stand by my 13.6 as a healthy average....in retrospect..C5 coupes and 05 GTO's are capable of 13.2's bone stock with decent drivers...But not 04 GTO's..

Im not saying that SOME GTO's dont hit low 13's. Cas it dose happen...But only as often as C5's and 05 GTO's running 12's bone stock...Wich is probay 1 out of every 30 people....1 out of every 30 running a high 12 in a 05 GTO/c5 coupe or 1 out of every 30 running a low 13 in a 04 GTO is by no means a good AVERAGE...

A good best to possibly expect..YEA...But no were near an average of what the car can do. If you got your bone stock GTO to run alow 13 bone stock....

YOU SHOULD PAT YOUR SELF ON THE BACK CAS YOU GOT A STRONG ONE :)

CAS 280-290 RWHP AND 3700 POUNDS TAKES A LOT OF LUCK TO RUN A 13.2 :eek2:

Amazing, a GTO question would should only be answered by actual 04 GTO owners being disputed by a vette owner.

Amazing, a GTO question would should only be answered by actual 04 GTO owners being disputed by a vette owner.

Well in this case I agree with him. I've driven 2004 cars, and I just don't see the bulk of them into the low 13's in stock form.

My car ran 13.93@101
A4 Bone Stock

Then I added a KN CAI
13.77@102

This was at the track on the same day...
I also weigh 350lbs so figure .1 for a 200lb driver ;)

sorry but 04 mn6 goats dont run 13.2's..They run 13.6's with decent drivers on average.....Extremely FREAK 04 GTo's can run low 13's.. But not all of them..

So I stand by my 13.6 as a healthy average....in retrospect..C5 coupes and 05 GTO's are capable of 13.2's bone stock with decent drivers...But not 04 GTO's..

Im not saying that SOME GTO's dont hit low 13's. Cas it dose happen...But only as often as C5's and 05 GTO's running 12's bone stock...Wich is probay 1 out of every 30 people....1 out of every 30 running a high 12 in a 05 GTO/c5 coupe or 1 out of every 30 running a low 13 in a 04 GTO is by no means a good AVERAGE...

A good best to possibly expect..YEA...But no were near an average of what the car can do. If you got your bone stock GTO to run alow 13 bone stock....

YOU SHOULD PAT YOUR SELF ON THE BACK CAS YOU GOT A STRONG ONE :)

CAS 280-290 RWHP AND 3700 POUNDS TAKES A LOT OF LUCK TO RUN A 13.2 :eek2:There are '04's that run that, bone stock, that is a fact.

They also dyno better than that for '04 M6 GTO's. Norm is 300rwhp, some higher, some lower. A4 cars dyno about your 280-290rwhp.

And it seems the "fast freak" cars are all M6's :drive: Fastest '04 A4 times I've seen was 13.4x from a few cars. Very many in the 13.5-.6 range.

So your arguement could be the average for A4 owner's.

Go to www.Ls1gto.com drag racing section. They have list's of best 1/4's for both 04's and 05's, stock and modifyed.

Most A4's stock run 13.50 to 13.60 in mineshaft DA's
Most A4's stock run 13.80 to 14.2 in normal DA's

I went 13.93@101 in 75 degree air
Again at 4100lbs too....

One things for sure,IMO these cars are hard to launch on street tires

Stock, my 04 ran a best of 13.9 at 101 mph on a 2.1 60' at US 41 in Indiana this past October. Minor wheelhop and spinning going into 2nd (track conditions) held me back a bit, IMO. It dynoed at 292 rwhp, 319 rwtq.

Recently added K&N intake, catless SW LT's, and a dynotune. 331 rwhp, 339 rwtq. Expecting to see some much better numbers at the track in 2006. :)

Oh so since im a vette owner I cant awnswer the question...

I GOT THE SAME FUC*ING LS1 AS 90% OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD. Thats why it's called LS1 tech. Not GTO tech..

SOME OF YOU NEED TO FACE REALITY...

if you get 10 out of every 100 people running a 13.0-13.3 in a 04 GT0...65 other people running 13.4-13.7 and then 25 guys running a 13.8-14.1...

Low13's is no were near an average....More like 13.5-13.7

Now do the same thing with 05GTO's and 04C5's...

You got 10 guys running 12.7-13.0.....65 other people running 13.1-13.4 and 25 people running 13.5-13.8...

In this case you could safely say that the average driver of an average 05GT) or 2004 C5 can run a 13.2-13.4..

HEY I HAD TO FACE REALITY TOO...THE AVERAGE 2.73 GEARED C5 RUNS A 13.4-13.6....

Pretty slow for a vette but thats what 2.73 gears will do to just about any car.YEA sure there have been 1 or two 2.73 geared C5's that ran 12.9's and quite a few in the 13.1-13.3 range....BUT I STILL NO BETTER THAN TO SAY THAT 2.73 GEARED C5'S CAN RUN LOW 13'S ON AVERAGE

guess mine is average..
bone stock+stock tires first time at track mid 80s deg/mid 80% humidity/ 13.8@100.5 2.0 60ft
next time with a more practice driving in same conditions ran 13.4@100.5 1.8 60ft

then added Yank3500,Predator tuner and xpipe, best so far 12.9@103.5 with a 1.7 60ft on BFG drag radials but thats not stock so it doesnt count for the purposes of this post .

If I could go north to run in cooler/drier air I think I could get a couple more tenths/mph out of it with no other mods. heat and humidity are killers down here.

People forget driver+traction makes or break a cars et.. Some people cant drive down a dragstrip to save their lives and some guys get ets noone will belive just because they can squeeze the last tenth out of any car.

Ton of cars out there with 108-110 traps that cant even break into the high 12s and guys with 110-112mph traps that have run high 11s.

Pretty slow for a vette but thats what 2.73 gears will do to just about any car.YEA sure there have been 1 or two 2.73 geared C5's that ran 12.9's and quite a few in the 13.1-13.3 range....BUT I STILL NO BETTER THAN TO SAY THAT 2.73 GEARED C5'S CAN RUN LOW 13'S ON AVERAGE[/QUOTE]

You can speak authoritatively regarding your specific Corvette year/drivetrain but not regarding the 2004 GTO because you do not have one.

Qualify your comments by indicating it is your opinon, but otherwise you have no place in which to be the last word.

SOme people may need to come to the realizaton that:

1. The times he has seen do not necessarily reflect the national average of all 14000+ 04 gto's out there.

2. M6 GTO's are tough to drive. I ran 14's/high 13's my first couple times to the track (the car ran 13.1-13.2 consistently) when I got it right, and guess what I'm not the only one.

3. A4 GTO's have TC and tranny issues with torque mgmt, etc that really slow them down, So I agree they average mid-high 13's, the driver really has not much to do with except stab the pedal and go keep it straight.

4. Just about all M6 04 GTO's are low 13 sec cars. Unfortunately they are really tough to get there and its not really the car's capablilities, its usually the driver. You typically either bog or spin - mainly because of the 245 all season tires, IRS and near 4000lb curb weight.


So, like I said - just about all 04 M6 GTO's are low 13 sec cars, period. You can dispute that all you want, talk about what they run in Hawaii, or in Colorado or whatever, but that's the way it is. Sorry to disappoint. If the driver can't get them there, well then sucks for them.

Bring me a stock 04 M6 GTO in perfect running condition as it came off the showroom floor, to MD this spring and I will run at a minimum a 13.3 (most liekly better), I will put money on it.

^^^^^^

I agree with the above. My very first track day, I ran 13.66. It was a wheel hopping mess. Over the next three trips to the track, I got it down to 13.25 with better launching. If I would have stayed stock, it would definitely been a 13.1x with more practice.

Now is my car average because it ran 13.6 when I took it to the track the first time? Am I a average driver because it got 13.6 the first day with it? Car didn't change as it wasn't broken in yet. First track day was at 600 miles. Fourth track day was at 1K miles. My car is just like 90% of them. Wish I would have dynoed as I know it wasn't making the power of a factory freak as my mph was in line with everyone elses. What happened to pick up .4 in the 1/4? It was all in the launch, plain and simple.

Well in this case I agree with him. I've driven 2004 cars, and I just don't see the bulk of them into the low 13's in stock form.

I have driven my GTO several times down the track in different types of weather. I know what the car can or cannot do. I know my abilities and limitations. I can speak with authority. Just driving one a few times does not make one an authority. I will never comment regarding 2005 GTOs because I do not have one.

As with the vette, best you can do is qualify your statement based on your experience. Perhaps conditions or yourself are not sufficiently capable. I went from 13.60 to 13.30 by improving technique. There was probably more left in the vehicle but I started modding the car.

I got a chance to race a couple GTO's in the 1/8th, the ones Ive seen run at the track ran 9.2-9.6 range. I think alot of it was inexperienced drivers but still nobody like to get whipped on by an NA z71 ext cab truck.

And I beat an AAR Cude-A real one, with my nearly stock 1979 T/A when I was in high school. And then a 427 Vette on another occassion. Big deal. Shall we all recount our lopsided wins and defeats?

And I beat an AAR Cude-A real one, with my nearly stock 1979 T/A when I was in high school. And then a 427 Vette on another occassion. Big deal. Shall we all recount our lopsided wins and defeats?

I bet you drive a civic with a wing on it now too :thumbsdow sound like a ricer comment to me. Race what ya brung!

He asked for what they run stock and I told him what Ive seen.

No. I have owned and own genuine high performance cars. I generally stay off this forum because of the stupidity and immaturity of the posers.

Wrong quiz kid.

I do not have some nigger on my avator like you do.

I am not a ricer, but i know what you are.
You do know who I am

YOUR DADDY BITCH

No. I have owned and own genuine high performance cars. I generally stay off this forum because of the stupidity and immaturity of the posers.

So now Im a poser because I post the times Ive seen stock GTO's run and you get upset, who is immature?

Bad N.

I do not care if a GTO wins or loses is faster or slower. I am bothered by people who make definitive comments regarding the vehicle and yet do not own the actual car.

Ricers did not exist in 1979,(Pro-Street were the ricers of that era) and I believe one ricerr today would not know what a AAR Cuda is.

You started the shit. Virtually everyone has freak wins and losses. I just pointed out the obvious in your statement. Your comment is actually ricerr.

You dont have to own the actual car to know what the average one will do....Theres a heck of a lot more people posting high 13's than low 13's in your car....POINT BLANK....

If the OP had said what is the fastest I can expect from a 04 GTO... I would not debate 13.2-13.3's what so ever...But he didnt.

he said AVERAGE.....You know..In between the best to expect and worst to expect...

Since the best is a 13.1 and the worst is a 14.1. A 13.6 seems like a pretty reasonable time to me and THAT IS WHAT MAJORITY OF YOU RUN....

If all 04 GTO's are low 13 second cars like you say then all C5's and 05 GTO's are high 12 second cars....But when someone says they ran a 12.9 in a stock 05GTO/04C% or 13.2 in a stock 04GTO.....Is everyone like..Kool man. Atleaste you ran the norm..

HELL NO... There like dude thats sick man. youve got one of the faster ones out there and that person is suddenly recognized as being one of the better drivers.

Theres nonthing AVERAGE about running low 13's in a 04 GTO....Theres lots of 05 GTO's that realisticaly have a hard time hitting 13.3's....

it's really simple to understand why....

04 c5 vette- 350 hp LS1....290-300 rwhp....3280 pounds....13.3 at 107 is a decent AVERAGE time

02 camaro/bird-350 hp LS1....295-305 rwhp...3490 pounds...13.4 at 106 is a decent AVERAGE time

04 GTO...350 LS1...285-295 rwhp.......3700 pounds...13.6 at 104 mph is a decent AVERAGE time


Power wise there all pretty much the same....Roughly 290-300 rwhp....My C5 has dynoed higher at 299 rwhp than quite a few camaros....Then again Im sure that there have been stock 04 GTO's that have dynoed higher thanmy C5...And the camaros 70% of the time will dyno 3-5 rwhp higher than both of them....

Bottom line is whoever got the lucky one from the factory will have the most power..CAS SINCE 02 WE ALL HAVE THE SAME EXACT LS1 ENGINE


So if we all have the same exact engine the only real differance is vehicle weight.....The camaro is 210 pounds lighter than the Vette...But on the other hand..70% of the time will dyno 3-5 rwhp higher than the C5.....

So it will only be 1-1.5 tenths behind the C5 stock for stock through the 1/4 mile... A true drivers race...

The GTO on the other hand weighs 3700 pounds...Thats 400 pounds more than the C5. And the rwhp is basicly the same...No 3-5 rwhp advantage for the GTO wich also has an IRS like the C5...

It's just one LS1 pushin 3280 pounds vrs another one pushin 3700 pounds... It's that simple. The thing is that the LS1 pushin 3280 just barely averages ( or normally can run) low 13's....

But some of you think the LS1 pushin 3700 pounds can average ( or normally run) low 13's???????


An even better example is the 03 Cobra...

03 Cobras weigh 3650 pounds and have 365 rwhp...They average 12.9-13.2 with the better drivers/stronger cars in the 12.7-12.9 range...

The car weighs a very similar number to your 04 GTO....BUT HAS 70 MORE RWHP....AND EVEN IT ONLY AVERAGES HIGH 12'S LOW 13'S...


I cant put it into any better perspective than that. As far as the actualy owning a 04 GTO comment for my words to be Valid... give me a break man...Any one of us could probaly afford an 18,000 dollar 04 GTO...

That dosent mean we gotta go buy one just to say that we know what an LS1 is capable of...

AN LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1....tHERE ALL THE SAME MAN....it's just that if I go to the track and put 400 pounds worth of weights in the back of my car my trapp speed will probaly be about 4 mph slower...

You do not need to own the actual car to guess what one is capable. (Using second hand sources.)

You do need to own and regularly track drive the car to know how it performs or is capable of. (First hand experience.)

It is stupidity to believe otherwise. Or if not stupidity, then envy, immaturity, fanboyism,etc. So prevalent among hotrodders too.

Again, I do not care if the car is fast or slow, only you are not qualified to be a definitive source.

Are we talking about the average GTO here or the average driver?

I disagree that the average 04 m6 gto is a 13.6 car, I'd say 13.2-13.3 max, maybe the average driver may only get it to run a 13.6 but that's not what the car can do.

Pretty sure not... Most "stock" 04's around here are going high 13's still with a few exceptions. My 05 went a best of 13.2 stock on different wheels and tires. (no better grip than stock though) Of course that was with an awfull 60' time too.

Too many factors come in when you figure the "average" 1/4 mile time of cars depending on where you are and the track and so many other things. Around here the average DA is crap and our track isnt prepped on test and tune nights so it isnt really all that sticky. Where as some places might average a lot better DA and their track might be prepped a lot better so the average around there is a lot quicker.

Correct Jason,a NA car in bad air is not going to un 13.2 or 13.1...I have seen Kennys A4 run 13.56 BONE STOCK in 0 to -500DA's which was impressive to me..DA makes a big difference,weight does too...I for one weigh 350lbs so my cars at 4100 easy,to run 13.90's in 75 degrees made me happy,if I were to take that time and go to a -500 DA my car would have easily ran 13.60's but never the less the guy did say average and I dont believe MOST 6sp GTO's run 13.1 to 13.2....I'd say 13.4 to 13.5 is alittle more realistic...I mean after all there is only 10 guys on the GTO tech board thats run faster than 13.4 stock so it must be harder than it looks....

Hell most 05's only run 13.2 on average....
Something to think about?

AN LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1 IS A LS1....tHERE ALL THE SAME MAN....it's just that if I go to the track and put 400 pounds worth of weights in the back of my car my trapp speed will probaly be about 4 mph slower...You are correct that the LS1's are the same from '01 on up.

Here's something you fail to realize in all your debating. An M6 GTO has much better gearing than either the F-Body or Y-Body. It is the equivilent to 3.90 gears in an F-Body. I gained .3 sec in my WS6 when going to 4.10 gears compared to the 3.42 gears that came stock. So figure .2-.25 advantage in gearing over the F-Body. Don't really know how many Vettes come with 3.42 but would be the same difference. Moreso if they have 3.15 or less gearing.

I would say most people can't drag race their cars. I have run a best of 13.24@104.86 in my GTO. It dynoed at 300/324. I usually race at 4000# race weight (I'm a little oversize). In the summer months if the I hot lap the car, it runs 13.60-70's. I have to admit the car does need a better shifter.

Its funny how the guys saying they know what LS1's are capable of have 60' times of 2+ seconds and/or 2.73 gears.



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Pretty sure not... Most "stock" 04's around here are going high 13's still with a few exceptions. My 05 went a best of 13.2 stock on different wheels and tires. (no better grip than stock though) Of course that was with an awfull 60' time too.

Too many factors come in when you figure the "average" 1/4 mile time of cars depending on where you are and the track and so many other things. Around here the average DA is crap and our track isnt prepped on test and tune nights so it isnt really all that sticky. Where as some places might average a lot better DA and their track might be prepped a lot better so the average around there is a lot quicker.

So is that a limitation of the car or a shitty track/weather? If I was figuring the average 1/4 mi time of a car I'd take a sample of the cars in the same conditions(decent weather, track conditions), same driver (with a certain level of skill with the car) and figure it out in a controlled manner.

Unless you want to know the average of what the combination of air pressure, temp, shitty driver skill, track prep, heat soak, etc. But I don't believe that is an accurate measure of the 1/4 capabilities of the car are, just how it reacts to environmentals. It lacks control.

Well lets all use the driver excuse and blah blah blah...Some of you are being realistic. And I really respect that...

As far as my car is concerned...Stock for stock my 13.5's easily man handled the 13.9-14.2's the stock 04 goats run at my track....

Then again my car is some what of a freak since 02 Z06's only run 13.0's bone stock at my track...

The DA and humidity really hurts here in Hawaii. I JUST LITERALLY CANT GET OVER HOW SOME OF YOU THINK 04 GTO'S ARE ALL LOW 13 SECOND CARS!!!!!!

but your list only has 10 that beat 13.4????? To each there own.. I remember a time when I thought my Vette was a 12 second car just cas it was a vette and I had read of automatics hitting 12's before...Guess that made me think they all could do it. So Ill leave it at that...And once some of you proclaiming that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's take your car to the track and run a 13.8 you'll understand were Im coming from and how just running a 13.5 is no easy feat in a 04 goat. NEVERMIND a low 13!!!!

The ones proclaiming low 13's actually have run at the track. That list isn't the be all, end all of what stock GTO's run. I was taken off the list as well as others once they started modding, as that list is pretty old but does get updated somewhat.

The point is in all this is the car. Take someone who actually has run a low 13 and someone who hasn't. Put the driver of the low 13 second car in the "slow" one and I bet it runs low 13's.

The car is easily capable of low 13's. I'm talking M6 cars here. The A4 cars are mid 13 second cars at best stock.

Well I hust read in GM High Tech that they got a bone stock LT1 camaro to run a 13.3 at 107 mph...

But whats so funny about that is that you'll usualy see a bone stock LT1 camaro run a 13.9 at 99 mph....

But hey I guess with the right driver all LT1 camaros could run 13.3 at 107 mph right???????

A similar magazine got a bone stock LS1 C5 to run a 12.7 at 111 mph...Funny thing is that you usualy see C5's run 13.3 at 107...But hey i guess with the right driver they can all run 12.7 and trapp 111 mph right????

You see my point...Theres a differance between the best ever and average. A HUGE DIFFERANCE....

ET I can beleave...You get a 1.90 60 ft compared to everyone else who gets a 2.15 at best and your car will be in the low 13 range....

But if your 04 goat is trapping 105 and everone else is trapping 100-103...You got a factory freak and theres NONTHING average about that.


WE ALL DO THIS..Ive seen camaro owners on 350Z sites telling them that all Camaros are 12 second cars bone stock...

Give me a friggin break man...Maybe 1 out of every 100 bone stock camaros hit's a 12.9 at the track....It's actually not unusual at all to see Camaros running 13.7's.... Yousee 13.7's a heck of a lot more than 12.9's..But everyone wants to post the best times theve herd of for there vehicles instead of the actual Averages.

except if you run at Atco or Englishtown.
I think those tracks most run downhill .
:D

except if you run at Atco or Englishtown.
I think those tracks most run downhill .
:DEnglishtown is normal. I never got any bests there. Cecil is supposed to be fast but I never got any bests there either. Ran good mph there though but that was matched by MIR :drive:

but your list only has 10 that beat 13.4????? To each there own.. I remember a time when I thought my Vette was a 12 second car just cas it was a vette and I had read of automatics hitting 12's before...Guess that made me think they all could do it. So Ill leave it at that...And once some of you proclaiming that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's take your car to the track and run a 13.8 you'll understand were Im coming from and how just running a 13.5 is no easy feat in a 04 goat. NEVERMIND a low 13!!!!

First of all - do you understand the idea of a top ten list? The list is a top ten list meaning there are only 10 on the list and there will always be 10 and the 10 on the list are the top ten of those represented.

But anyway - look they are ALL running low 13's. Go figure.

I consistently ran 13.10's - 13.20's in my 04 when stock.

I'm sorry your vette is slow - no need to take it out on the 04 m6 GTO's.

2.73 doesn't get it. My car ran 13.6 the first track day I went to. After another 3 trips, it got down to 13.25. Now is my car average because of the 13.6 or a freak because of the 13.25? Same car, same driver.

I am certain that it would have gotten down to 13.1 had I kept at it but I started modding the car. My point, my car is average.

Some interesting replies and some good points have been presented here for a question that has no real answer. Dyno numbers are probably easier to define than 1/4 mile times because the driver is removed from the variables. Most of the numbers I have seen range about 295-300rwhp for the M6 and 280-285rwhp for the A4.

As for 1/4 mile times, when someone asks what a typical stock 04 runs, I would assume he means a typical O4 with a typical driver. The GTO is a bitch to launch consistently and the typical drivers that I have observed will run the gamut from 13.5-14.0 seconds in a stock 04. OTOH, I have seen some drivers that would kill for a sub-14 second time and others that feel they screwed the pass if they run higher than 13.3; but neither of these are typical. The GTO is like any other car in that respect...the easiest way to change ETs is to change the driver.

It really doesn't matter much; because you will be hard pressed to find a stock 04 at the track anymore. Most 04s, as a minimum, are now running some combination of modified intakes, exhausts, and DRs in conjunction with a tune. Many have, of course, taken the mods much further.

The launch problem is the same for 05s. The NA time in my signature is my best time...not my average. I will normally run ~13.3 without nitrous on a stock motor. I consider myself to be a typical driver. I have no doubt that there are some drivers that could turn better times with my car and others that could make it run in the high 13s. The funny thing is that, since I got the GTO, I always look at the 60' times before checking the 1/4 mile times. If the 60' is good, the rest of the pass usually takes care of itself.

Nvig R8...Thats real funny man. but my C5 wasnt slow. It actually dynoed higher and ran quicker than all the other vettes at my track stock for stock...

Remember that my 13.5 is only 5 tenths behind the 2002 Z06's that run 13.0's at my track...

The 04 GTO's at my track run 14's....Wich is still respectable when you figure that they are only 1 second behind the 2002 Z06...

If it's true that at your tracks in the mainland stock 02 Z06's can run 12.4's-12.6's bone stock...Then my C5 would have ran 12.9-13.1 bone stock at your tracks....

The GTO's running 14.0's here would be running 13.4'-13.6's at your tracks.

Since my A4 dynoed 10-20 rwhp above average. I dont find those numbers hard to beleave at all.

But NE ways Im not trying to have a pissing contest. I KNOW that C5 vettes are faster than 04 GOATS...Not to many people
would dispute that.

Now 05 goats. Thats a different story.

NEways.. Too get back on topic....This was all stated cas someone asked for a normal/ average time...

LOW 13'S ARE YOUR BEST TIMES. NO WERE NEAR AVERAGE. WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.

As Ive stated so many times.....A bone stock C5 can really go to a track and run a 13.0-13.5 By 90% of the people that drive them....The fast ones can hit 12.9's. The fastest ones have hit 12.6's.

So I could safely say that A C5 is a low 13 second car on average....Some people will be close to 13.0...Some people will be close to 13.5....The average is around 13.3.

So the C5 is a low 13 second car on Average...

Your 04 GTO is normally a 13.5-14.0 car by 90% of the people that drive them..The fastest ones it low 13's.

So if the fastest ones are hitting low 13's and 90% of everyone else is in the 13.5-14.0 range....

The average would be 13.7....Thats a high 13...Not a low 13 LOL???!!!!

But you want to use the fastest of the fast numbers to get a normal/average time???

Thats somthing that SRT-4 guys do...And it has no place on LS1 tech....

Theres a simple precedence that most of us know... It goes a little somthing like this...

2002 Z06-mid 12's

1997-2004 C5-low 13's

2005 GTO-low 13's

1998-2002 F body-low to mid 13's

CTSV-low to mid 13's

2004 GTO-mid to high 13's

This list isnt here to tell you how some 2002 Z06's ahave ran 11's...Or some C5's have ran mid 12's...Or some 2005 GTO's have ran 12's....Or some Fbodys have ran high 12's....Or how some CTSV's have run high 12's....Or how some 04 Goats hae ran low 13's..

It's to show what most people think the average one will run. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE.. BUT MAYBE SINCE THE 04 GOAT IS THE SLOWEST LS1 CAR MADE.....THATS THE REASON SOME OF YOU WILL NOT JUST ADMIT THE OBVIOUS.

oH btw. Heres a link to show you what a bone stock car needs to be able to do on average to be considered a low 13 second car...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1246647&forum_id=108

This is not a top ten list.. this is a list I have been creating for two months from people posting there best bone stock times on another thread...

As you can see the C5 really is a low 13 second car on average...

Now If i wanted to I could just take the 4 of the 12 second cars and grab 6 of the other 13.0 second cars and say...

man what are you talking about..ALL c5's can run high 12's to low-low 13's..look at this list.

But that would be the fastest times to expect from a C5.. Not the Average.

And how many of those top 10 were factory freaks? How many of them ran in a DA of negative 1000-1500?

The top 10 can never represent an average....Now out of those 50 different C5's....The average would be a low 13.

So that would be a fair representation of what a bone stock C5 can run.

Thanks 2.73 Vette for taking the time to type in all that information
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.

:engarde: :poke: :nutkick: :twak: :rotflmao:

Thanks 2.73 Vette for taking the time to type in all that information
schooling us how slow our GTOs really are. Im sure we will be able to reflect
on this and put that to good use. Its just lucky for us that you
have the free time to spend on a GTO board to bring us this info.Exactly right. I can now post slow averages of what my should have ran when it was stock. I'm glad my experiences in my own car was just internet gossip and only what a unique handful could have run.

13.27 @ 105.46 with a 2.15 60 foot time :)

Once again you guys bring the sorry excuses.

NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT A BONE STOCK 04 GOAT IN THE HANDS OF A GREAT DRIVER...OR IN A NEGATIVE DA...OR IF IT'S A FACTORY FREAK...CAN RUN A LOW 13.....YOU GUYS HAVE MORE THAN PROVED THIS....THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO WILL NOT RUN A LOW 13. C5'S AND 05 GTO'S RUN LOW 13'S WITH NORMAL DRIVERS AT NORMAL TRACKS. YOU GUYS CANT MAKE THAT CLAIM....NEWAYS....TOO ANY ONE WHO WAS UNBIASED..THEY WOULD RELIZE THAT WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE AVERAGE 04 GTO. IM CORRECT.

The reason i take the time to post this is number 1...I love a good debate and I usually learn things in the process. number2. I hate when people make a car seem like it's average times are what the fastest people have ran..

This same thing happenned to me when I bought my C5... I went from site to site trying to figure out how fast a 2.73 C5 could go bone stock..

everyone told me that some had did 12.9 and a lot in the 13.1 range...

So when I bought my car I was figuring it could run a 12.9-13.2 based on what everyone told me...Too my surprise I only ran a 13.5...I go andpost up on my run and then suddennly everyone sings a different song about how thats an average time and all the times they had told me about before with people running 12.9's were the best of the best...

If they had just told me 13.3-13.6 on average from the very beginning I would have not been so dissapointed....But the 2.73 C5 owners ( just like some of you guys) only posted up the best times for me to see. I now realize that there are some people that havent done better than 13.6-13.7 in there A4 2.73 C5's...Were where there numbers when I asked my questions???

simple.. No one wants to post up there mid- high 13's when other people are posting high12's to low 13's.. So thats all you ever see.

I was just trying to protect any possible 04 GTO owners from being ACCIDENTALLY deceived the same way I was...

IMHO..If a guy wants a GOAT and really expects to be able to run a low 13 with his average skills on an average track. he should get a 05 goat...In the 04...As some of you have proven...With the moon and the planets alighned it is possible. But still no were near average.


YES IN STOCK FORM THE 04 GOAT IS KNOWN AS THE SLOWEST LS1... But possible low 13's- high 13's is still no were near slow and will still whoop most cars out there...

A simple CAI and headers can easily get them to 05 GTO performance.

So Im not dissing them. Id rather have the 04 goat then a 02 fbody just for the interior alone.

So what you're saying that other Vette owners have run 12.9-13.2 but you only have run a 13.5? I guess you're not that good of a driver. Am I wrong? :drive:

Sounds like 2.73 is taking a lot of time and effort justifying why his shit is so slow - even slower than the slowest LS1 car ever built, the 04 GTO - he has conveniently thrown that in there twice now.

I'm really sorry that your shit is slow and only runs 13.50's and that GTOs run low 13's - you obviously have a problem with that. You'll just have to get over it.

Yea I totally agree with you. 2.73 geared C5's are slow IMHO as well..

13.3-13.6 on average isnt that fast....And pretty pathetic for a C5 in my opinion..But GM wanted the MPG specs to look real good and through the 2.73's on there.

My car dynoed 299 rwhp...ATLEASE 10 rwhp above average..And so I still threw down good times by my tracks standards.

But even if there was a bone stock 04 GTO at my track that could run faster times than my C5 stock for stock..I wouldnt sweat it....Id be happy that the LS1 is representing...

If a mach1 ran a faster time stock for stock..Then we'd have a problem..But they run the same times as the 04 Goats at my track. Maybe a tenth faster if at all.

Once again Im not bashing your car...I like GTO's and if I had to get rid of my C5 for somthing with more space it would be a very hard decision between a 05 GTO and a 03 cobra..

IF YOU GO TO THE CAMARO SECTION RIGHT NOW YOU'LL SEE A THREAD ASKING ABOUT WHAT THE LT1 CAMAROIS CAPABLE OF THREW THE 1/4 MILE


read through the post and you'll see many people posting about how there bone stock LT1 ran a 13.3-13.5 and that LT1's can trapp 100-107 mph..

The origional poster gets excited and says wow I never knew LT1's were this fast and he now beleaves that a LT1 is only a tenth or two slower than an LS1.

where are all the people posting the 14.0-14.3 that you see from bone stock LT1 camaros 98% of the time?????

107 mph??????? Come on now...

These guys are eighter unrealistic or the guys who brows by the thread see a good oppertunity to post there LT1 times (that they know are much better than what people normally run) Thats the only reason they took the time to post anyways.

Now if all LT1 camaros could really run 13.3-13.5 at 100-107 mph...no one would have ever bought an LS1 camaro...


The same thing is happening on that thread ...That happenned on this thread...

Now imagine when that guy buys the LT1 camaro and goes to the track and runs a 14.2 at 97 mph....

He's gonna be a good 7-9 tenths slower than what they were posting...

But the guys who ran 13.3-13.5 would swear that they could take his camaro and runa a 13.3-13.5 in it...

NOT AT HIS TRACK YOU WOULDNT!!!!!!!

NOT WITH HIS AVERAGE RWHP YOU WOULDNT!!!!

just go check out that thread and see how you feel when these LT1 camaro guys swear that there car is just as fast as your 04 GTO on average...

These are the same stock LT1's that you saw run a 14.2 compared to your 13.7 at the track and murdered easily...

it's exactly the same way I feel when you say your 3700 pound LS1 is just as fast as a 3200 pound LS1...

Sorry the camaro thread is in the drag racing results section.

it's exactly the same way I feel when you say your 3700 pound LS1 is just as fast as a 3200 pound LS1...Its your ego getting in the way again. An 04 M6 GTO has it all over your 2.73 A4. Why is it so hard to understand? Weight has nothing to do with it as GEAR ratios more than make up for it. Very simple math.

As far as LT1's, I posted what my bone stock 96 WS6 did back in 96(13.50@103). That was also the only time it was stock at the track. I thought mine ran very well and it actually surprised me it ran so good. But it wasn't the best time out of a stock LT1, just a really good time. I also had it dynoed and it made exactly what other WS6's were making at the time, 274/305. No voodoo magic.

Just like NVigR8's car dynoed at 300rwhp. 90% of M6 GTO's seem to dyno right there.

2.73 -

My 04 gto that ran low 13's didn't dyno any higher than any other m6 04 GTO that the driver ran 14's in. My car is not above average.

For some reason you equate driver capabilities with car capabilities. Like I said before, I ran 14's the first time to the track with this car - its tough to drive at the track, tough to launch, tough to get decent times that are up to par with the car capabilities.

Now does that mean it is the slowest LS1 car ever made or is it the hardest LS1 car made to get good times?

I just took the time to get it right and drive the car the way it needs to be driven to live up to its capabilities, most GTO drivers haven't done that. Does that mean the car is slow like yours?

It is impossible to convince a self proclaimed prophet who believes he is protecting neophyte GTO owners from misleading propaganda.(by current GTO owners)

Ownership of said vehicle and experience behind the wheel at the track are only incidental and minor distractions.

good link: http://www.dragtimes.com/

guess mine is average..
bone stock+stock tires first time at track mid 80s deg/mid 80% humidity/ 13.8@100.5 2.0 60ft
next time with a more practice driving in same conditions ran 13.4@100.5 1.8 60ft
.


I'm not buying this at all. Not even for a second. I've claimed the highest trap speed for a stock '04 A4 with a 103 MPH run. That was mated to a 13.59 w/ a 2.0 short time. That was in mid 40 degree weather.

Your claiming to run a tenth quicker with 3 less MPH on a much warmer day with a 1.8 short time? How?

I'm not buying it. How did you get a 1.8 short time in warm weather?

So you cut a 1.8 100% stock and THEN went to a Yank 3500 with BFG drag radials and only dropped 1/10th from your short time? You either have the most loose stock convertor any GTO has ever had or you have the most underperforming Yank 3500 ever considering it could only help your short time by a tenth.

If the '04 GTO was the slowest LS1 car ever made, then what does that say about your car being as my 100% STOCK A4 GT0 trapped higher then your Vette did?

I would never dispute that '04 GTOs aren't the slowest RWD LS1 cars made, they are. Its just funny hearing it from a guy with a Vette that happens top trap less then my GTO....
:zzz: :bs:

Its even funnier when I see a Vette with LS6 heads and a Thunder cam....running 13s....

And come back with the track/elevation arguement, your car has picked up 1/2 second with LS6 heads, cam, and cold-air....aweful....

[QUOTE=2.73 Vette
Too get back on topic....This was all stated cas someone asked for a normal/ average time...
It's to show what most people think the average one will run. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE.. BUT MAYBE SINCE THE 04 GOAT IS THE SLOWEST LS1 CAR MADE.....THATS THE REASON SOME OF YOU WILL NOT JUST ADMIT THE OBVIOUS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=2.73 Vette]Yea I totally agree with you. 2.73 geared C5's are slow IMHO as well..

FWIW Patman, who is a well known user here, ran a 13.9 in his car with 2.73 gears. Oh yeah, that 'car' he did that in was a LT1 FBody. So your 2.73 geared LS1 C5 is a whopping 4/10s quicker then a comparably equipped LT1 FBody. LOL FWIW Patman's current C5 is already in the 12s, something your LS6 headed, Thunder 224 cammed C5 is yet to do.

And part of the reason why your car may have dynoed a bit higher was BECAUSE it has 2.73s. Lower numeric gears generally will dyno higher all other things being equal.

Watching you talk about your Vette like its an above average running car all the while it ran 103 MPH stock and still hasn't collected that oh-so elusive 12 second time slip with LS6 heads and a cam is blisterningly funny to me.

Like ive said so many times ...some tracks are slower/faster than others...

Most 2002 z06 guys at my track dont run 12's..

the fastest stock 02 z06 ran a 12.7...many people questioned his times and it is now apparrent that he did have an air intake on the runs...

here Ill give you real time slips from my track that I just ran tonight...


Me vrs 2006 STI..THE TRACK WAS INCREDIBLY SLICK TONIGHT...mY RUNS WERE WITH MODS IN SIG AND NITTO REGULAR STREET TIRES
ME STI
2.596 60 ft vrs 2.039
9.243 1/8 vrs 9.300
85.07 mph vrs 76.12 mph
13.853 vrs 14.397
107.90 mph vrs 93.57 mph ( Bone stock STI's run 13.9-14.3 at my track..This was an average run for the sti)


ME 350Z
2.505 60 FT 2.216
9.125 VRS 9.547
85.56 VRS 72.93
13.675 VRS 14.914
107.37 VRS 92.25 ( 350Z's run 14.7-15.2 at my track stock..This was a decent run)


ME VRS MN6 SS CAMARO WITH TR 224/224 CAM..HEADERS LID AND MODDED CLUTCH..


2.384 60 FT VRS 2.153
8.953 VRS 8.765
84.93 VRS 83.48
13.493 VRS 13.367
107.36 VRS 108.44


We ran many times with him winning two of them with 13.3's vrs my 13.4's and then i ran a 2.3 60 ft ( still horrible) and ran a 13.3 to his 13.5...

We pulled over to talk after 5 bach to back runs and I thought it was kool that his car had the same cam as mine..

My best mph to date is 109.1 and his best mph to date is 109.8...

My best ET is a 13.07and his best ET is a 13.305....A 2.73 running faster than an mn6 with equal mods.

My car is faster than his camed with headers and lid camaro....But you guys cant see that cas you think all tracks yield the same results..

I went and talked to the track officals to find out what the record was for the quickest bone stock 04 GTO...

They told me 13.9 at 101 mph for an mn6....I thought that was pretty impressive by my tracks standards...

I just cant explain it any better than this...Vipers run high 12's at my track stock...And those are on the good runs...My 13.0 is pretty fast.

So dis my car all you want. It dosent affect me what so ever. I learned a long time ago that whats posted on the internet means nonthing when judging cars....Just to many variables between tracks.

As long as i know my car dynoed higher than average ( including other 2.73 geared cars) and ran faster than the other vettes ...camaros stock for stock...Why should I care?


So you guys can swear up and down that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's bone stock all you want to. Im pretty sure that it's not a true statment and was just stating my opinion. If my opinion bothers you then I truly am sorry..

But if you want to prove me wrong it's very simple..Get 7 out of every 10 stock 04 GTO's to run a 13.1-13.3 ( low 13)....Then Ill completely change my opinion and agree with you...

But right now it's 7 out of every 10 04 GTO's run a 13.6-13.9...The other 2 are in the 14's and 1 may or may not hit a low 13.

How can you say thats average?

I'm not buying this at all. Not even for a second. I've claimed the highest trap speed for a stock '04 A4 with a 103 MPH run. That was mated to a 13.59 w/ a 2.0 short time. That was in mid 40 degree weather.

Your claiming to run a tenth quicker with 3 less MPH on a much warmer day with a 1.8 short time? How?

I'm not buying it. How did you get a 1.8 short time in warm weather?

So you cut a 1.8 100% stock and THEN went to a Yank 3500 with BFG drag radials and only dropped 1/10th from your short time? You either have the most loose stock convertor any GTO has ever had or you have the most underperforming Yank 3500 ever considering it could only help your short time by a tenth.Sounds reasonable to me. Buddy of mine on the eastern shore ran a 13.4x in his bone stock A4. Track was in Delaware, US13 dragway(I think that's the name)? Either way, he widdled his down that far. Now he's in the 11's with just spray and converter. Of course, he's gone through a couple trannies along the way. A4's don't like road courses too much :)

In all the cars I've owned, .1 in the 60' was equal to about .14 in the 1/4. So its fairly easy to see how it could happen.

[QUOTE=2.73 Vette]
I went and talked to the track officals to find out what the record was for the quickest bone stock 04 GTO...

They told me 13.9 at 101 mph for an mn6....I thought that was pretty impressive by my tracks standards...

So you guys can swear up and down that all 04 GTO's can run low 13's bone stock all you want to. Im pretty sure that it's not a true statment and was just stating my opinion. If my opinion bothers you then I truly am sorry..
QUOTE]

I'm not claiming anything about what 'average' GTOs do. Their is no average, either people can drive or they can't. End of story. I think we'd all agree that modt M6 '04 GTOs put down ~ 295-300 RWHP so its not the car, its the driver's that vary.

So you asked your track official what was the quickest time for an '04 GTO? And he tells you 13.9? And what is this based off of? I didn't know track kept tabs on best ETs for stock cars. LOL

FWIW, you get 2.5 short times in an automatic Vette? Uh, the wife's Sonata turned 2.3s so basically if I lined up with you in your LS6 headed, 224 cammed A4 3500 stalled Vette you'd be playing catch-up right into 2nd gear. Now THATS funny.

FWIW my '98 Formula when it had a lid w/ K&N, $30 cut-out, Vigilante 2800 stall, and ASP pulley went 12.43 @ 109 MPH on tire. Stock gears, stock heads, stock cam, stock manifolds, stock throttle body etc.

Sounds reasonable to me. Buddy of mine on the eastern shore ran a 13.4x in his bone stock A4. Track was in Delaware, US13 dragway(I think that's the name)? Either way, he widdled his down that far. Now he's in the 11's with just spray and converter. Of course, he's gone through a couple trannies along the way. A4's don't like road courses too much :)

In all the cars I've owned, .1 in the 60' was equal to about .14 in the 1/4. So its fairly easy to see how it could happen.

So your agreeing this guy managed to cut 1.8 short times on the stock suspension/tires on his way to 13.4s stock meanwhile with a Yank 3500 and BFGs he only improved his short time by a tenth? And all of this in hot & humid weather?

If someone like your buddy runs 13.4 in Delaware I can see it, better weather etc. And I'm guessing the car ran atleast 102 MPH.

So your agreeing this guy managed to cut 1.8 short times on the stock suspension/tires on his way to 13.4s stock meanwhile with a Yank 3500 and BFGs he only improved his short time by a tenth? And all of this in hot & humid weather?

If someone like your buddy runs 13.4 in Delaware I can see it, better weather etc. And I'm guessing the car ran atleast 102 MPH.I can see cutting 1.8x in an A4. NVigR8 used to cut 1.8x with a M6 on stock tires, so anything is possible. I could only manage mid 1.9s, hence him being over a tenth quicker than me even though our MPH was almost identical (different tracks but on the same day in MD)

As far as the stall, if the tires/track aren't up to the task, then you won't see to much improvement. But a tenth in short times is pretty good, considering.

Can't remember what Dave's car ran as far as mph, I want to say 101 or 102 but I'm not sure. I know it wasn't high.

I can see cutting 1.8x in an A4. NVigR8 used to cut 1.8x with a M6 on stock tires, so anything is possible. I could only manage mid 1.9s, hence him being over a tenth quicker than me even though our MPH was almost identical (different tracks but on the same day in MD)

As far as the stall, if the tires/track aren't up to the task, then you won't see to much improvement. But a tenth in short times is pretty good, considering.

Can't remember what Dave's car ran as far as mph, I want to say 101 or 102 but I'm not sure. I know it wasn't high.

NVigR8 ran those times at Cecil, a very well prepped track. The weather was also quite good. If I remember correctly, and he will have to verify, he ran that time along with a couple other guys at he same day at Cecil. Ironically 2 hours away, on that same Saturday I ran my 13.59 and a friend in a bone stock '04 Z06 went 11.93. The track was hooking, the air was sweet.

I think he also ran 13.1x at Capitol and MIR. I ran my 13.25 at MIR and 13.3 at both Mason-Dixon and 75-80. I never have any luck at Cecil. Hopefully that'll change this year as I plan on hitting it more since 75-80 has been shut down.

wow you all have to much time on your hands..

KennyH..The guys who run my track are all camaro owners..from the guy you pay to get in to the guy who gives you your time slip...

They all park there cars side by side near the front gate and they DO no whats running what bone stock. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the LS1's.

I go to the track 2-3 times per month 12 months per year and I too know whats running what..

from watching and racing other cars to just going up to the GTO..STI...mach1 groups and asking them who pulled the best time stock in your group or that you know of at this track...

For the STI guys they claim 13.6 that the camaro guys also verified for me..

For the mach1 guys it is a 13.8.

And for the 04 GTO guys it is a 13.9 ...

If any of you looked at the thread I posted with C5 bone stock timeslips... You may notice that I take bone stock performance pretty seriously. to me it is more important than modded performance.

Because it shows me just how far a manufactuer could go on a mass produced car as far as speed without having a 100 grand price tag..

Somthing about bone stock camaros vrs bone stockSTI's/supras just really gets my heart pumping more than modded vrs modded where there are so many combinations and variables.

NEways..I hope to one day see 1 out of every 3 04 GTO's running low 13's so I can agree with you..

But right now all through the internet people refer to it as a heavy dog...The LS2 really helped change that image. And I hope more of you will continue to pull low 13's to show them it was never a dog in the first place.

Im not gonna post any more on this thread. I wont change your opinion and like wise....JUST KEEP TELLING THE GUYS WITH 2.0 60 FTS THAT RUN 13.6 AT 102 MPH THAT IT'S THERE DRIVING...AND NOT THE ACT THAT THE CAR IS TOO HEAVY FOR 280-300 RWHP TO ALWAYS RUN LOW 13'S.

:cheers:

2.73 I don't have time to read all the BS your typing,

BUT I do know my 04 GTO has never went slower then a 13.65 and thats because I missed 3rd gear.

13.32 on street tires in good air 1200 da
12.90 on Dr's in bad air 2600 da
11.72 with a 100 dry shot. 900 da

I'm not buying this at all. Not even for a second. I've claimed the highest trap speed for a stock '04 A4 with a 103 MPH run. That was mated to a 13.59 w/ a 2.0 short time. That was in mid 40 degree weather.

Your claiming to run a tenth quicker with 3 less MPH on a much warmer day with a 1.8 short time? How?

I'm not buying it. How did you get a 1.8 short time in warm weather?

So you cut a 1.8 100% stock and THEN went to a Yank 3500 with BFG drag radials and only dropped 1/10th from your short time? You either have the most loose stock convertor any GTO has ever had or you have the most underperforming Yank 3500 ever considering it could only help your short time by a tenth.

if you need I can post a scanned time slip of of this run only mod's was a cat back. stock tires and a paper filter
1.890
5.542
8.564
81.79
11.144
13.326
99.88

the run was done aug 10 2005 at KCIR so look

BTW I believe I was the FIRST 04 in the 12's with JUST DR's and Cat Back

1.80
5.354
82.78
84.53
10.786
12.90
106.11

I think he also ran 13.1x at Capitol and MIR. I ran my 13.25 at MIR and 13.3 at both Mason-Dixon and 75-80. I never have any luck at Cecil. Hopefully that'll change this year as I plan on hitting it more since 75-80 has been shut down.

I could never get 13.teens at MIR when stock (ran 13.30's) for some reason, probably b/c it was hot and humid when I took it down there. I ran 13.teens at Cecil, Capitol, 13.20's usually at M-D.

I got tired of that though and started modding and got dome drag radials to make it easier. Its tough to get a 60 time in these cars. And anyone who knows much about running a good 1/4 mi time knows the first 60 feet make or break a good run.

The 04 GTO A4's that I have seen do struggle to get better than mid-13's that I have seen thanks to the stock TC and TQ Mgmt in the stock tune.

I have been a casual observer and reading this thread. Just clicked on the thread to see what kind of times people were getting- don't really care- just bored. I think what 2.73 Vette is saying is right on. When I bought my car( Dodge for those that don't know what an IROC R/T is) everyone was claiming high 13's or even 13.7's but in reality it was a mid 14 second car stock. I too was dissapointed and after owning the car for a while I found out mid 14's were one would expect to be stock. I see this same scenario repeated on almost every forum for every make and model. At my two local tracks with a density altitude around 2,200' on an average summer day GTO's are a low 14 second car- seen one run a 13.9 but that was the only one. Not sure of the years or if they had any mods-I am sure some did. Don't know what years they were but I go to the strip every other weekend and have seen a few dozen of them run. A few more observations on stock times- SRT-4's mid 14's, 05 mustangs low 14's, STI's low 14's, EVO's high 13's. Don't see too many completely stock cars- almost all have a cold air induction, aftermarket exhaust and a chip or reflash so some of these stock appearing cars are not even stock. No two way's about it the GTO is a quick car... high 12's I think not.... low 13's? no not from what I have seen..........mid 13's very possible under the right conditions........low 14's yes- this is what I would expect if I bought a stock GTO and went to the strip.
Don't mean to ruffle no feathers with this post but I have learned that these forums are the same as the guy's sitting at the local parts stores saying how quick their car runs- the BS factor. I have met so many people on line that claim to run such and such a time but come to find out they never even been to a dragstrip. Oh well- I am off to to another forum to see what other neat stuff I can find- hopefully I find my way back here some day. :)

I have been a casual observer and reading this thread. Just clicked on the thread to see what kind of times people were getting- don't really care- just bored. I think what 2.73 Vette is saying is right on. When I bought my car( Dodge for those that don't know what an IROC R/T is) everyone was claiming high 13's or even 13.7's but in reality it was a mid 14 second car stock. I too was dissapointed and after owning the car for a while I found out mid 14's were one would expect to be stock. I see this same scenario repeated on almost every forum for every make and model. At my two local tracks with a density altitude around 2,200' on an average summer day GTO's are a low 14 second car- seen one run a 13.9 but that was the only one. Not sure of the years or if they had any mods-I am sure some did. Don't know what years they were but I go to the strip every other weekend and have seen a few dozen of them run. A few more observations on stock times- SRT-4's mid 14's, 05 mustangs low 14's, STI's low 14's, EVO's high 13's. Don't see too many completely stock cars- almost all have a cold air induction, aftermarket exhaust and a chip or reflash so some of these stock appearing cars are not even stock. No two way's about it the GTO is a quick car... high 12's I think not.... low 13's? no not from what I have seen..........mid 13's very possible under the right conditions........low 14's yes- this is what I would expect if I bought a stock GTO and went to the strip.
Don't mean to ruffle no feathers with this post but I have learned that these forums are the same as the guy's sitting at the local parts stores saying how quick their car runs- the BS factor. I have met so many people on line that claim to run such and such a time but come to find out they never even been to a dragstrip. Oh well- I am off to to another forum to see what other neat stuff I can find- hopefully I find my way back here some day. :)

Not that anybody here has to prove anything to you, but here's proof anyway to educate the ignorant:

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14617

Complete with timeslips, witnesses, etc.


Another ignorant hater who saw a GTO at a track one day with a shitty driver and now knows it all - it is a 14 sec car b/c he knows.

Stay a casual observer if all you have to add is a bunch of crap.

why fight it guys,,everyone is telling our cars are slow so they must be slow.
It sucks but we know its the truth,theys are really slow, we cant beat anybody.
Hell I cant even get into the 11s..
Lt1 Camarobirds and 2.73 Vettes rule yall..
Peace..

Yeah, it sucks to be the whipping boy...but I'm learning to live with it.

I have been a casual observer and reading this thread. Just clicked on the thread to see what kind of times people were getting- don't really care- just bored. I think what 2.73 Vette is saying is right on. When I bought my car( Dodge for those that don't know what an IROC R/T is) everyone was claiming high 13's or even 13.7's but in reality it was a mid 14 second car stock. I too was dissapointed and after owning the car for a while I found out mid 14's were one would expect to be stock. I see this same scenario repeated on almost every forum for every make and model. At my two local tracks with a density altitude around 2,200' on an average summer day GTO's are a low 14 second car- seen one run a 13.9 but that was the only one. Not sure of the years or if they had any mods-I am sure some did. Don't know what years they were but I go to the strip every other weekend and have seen a few dozen of them run. A few more observations on stock times- SRT-4's mid 14's, 05 mustangs low 14's, STI's low 14's, EVO's high 13's. Don't see too many completely stock cars- almost all have a cold air induction, aftermarket exhaust and a chip or reflash so some of these stock appearing cars are not even stock. No two way's about it the GTO is a quick car... high 12's I think not.... low 13's? no not from what I have seen..........mid 13's very possible under the right conditions........low 14's yes- this is what I would expect if I bought a stock GTO and went to the strip.
Don't mean to ruffle no feathers with this post but I have learned that these forums are the same as the guy's sitting at the local parts stores saying how quick their car runs- the BS factor. I have met so many people on line that claim to run such and such a time but come to find out they never even been to a dragstrip. Oh well- I am off to to another forum to see what other neat stuff I can find- hopefully I find my way back here some day. :)I have never seen a stock R/T in the 13's...never. Back when my 92 Spirit R/T was new, well 1993, I clicked off a 14.4@99 the only time it ever was at the track. That was completely stock right down to the paper filter. Daytona's were supposed to be a tenth faster. But nobody claimed to have run a 13.

Reality, low 13 second STOCK GTO's are there.

get on any turbo dodge forum and you will get many that claim to get 13's stock. Go to any SRT sight and you will get many claiming to get low 13's stock, go to EVO forums and you will get many claiming 12's stock..... and so on for every make and model. Just the way it is- many feel extremely loyal to their brands and will quote the best numbers they have heard someone run stock without ever actually seeing it first hand. All I know for sure is what I have seen at the strip- everything else I read on the web is hearsay as far as I am concerned- and that's the way you should take my post as well- go spend a summer at the track and talk to the guy's running these cars and ask what mods they have done and how often they run it.

As for the guy that had to use the bad language- remember that kids read these forums too............... I think I hear the bell ringing- time for you to get back to class before you get detention :D.

It was never an issue on the turbodoge or shelby websites as they never ran that fast. Even before the turbo dodge websites really took off, not even Dodge claimed that.

Haven't been a frequent visitor to mini mopar sites in the last few years so I can't really say what's going on now. But the fact remains, no 2.2 turbo I,II,III, or IV ever ran in the 13's stock. Very easy to get there with a couple of mods, but still none ran that stock.

I'm another slow 04 GTO that's just checking in.

Done.