GMPP LS6 heads and GT2-3 results
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GMPP LS6 heads and GT2-3 results
Went down to see Jeff at Carolina Auto Masters to get a retouch on the tune. After a couple of pulls, it was back to just about perfect again. HP is about where I thought it would be with a baby cam like the GT2-3. Its the torque I was disappointed about. I will post the graph when I get it scanned but final numbers were 393/380 I believe.
Drives great and pulls better everywhere but it didn't hit my goal of 400/400. I'll drive it like this all year and see how I like it. Hopefully it'll put up some numbers at the track. But for a completely stock sounding car, it seems to run pretty good.
Edit: Here's the graph. Cam only vs cam/heads
Drives great and pulls better everywhere but it didn't hit my goal of 400/400. I'll drive it like this all year and see how I like it. Hopefully it'll put up some numbers at the track. But for a completely stock sounding car, it seems to run pretty good.
Edit: Here's the graph. Cam only vs cam/heads
Last edited by Rob; 01-07-2006 at 10:56 AM.
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I'd add the LSX/90 and boom 15/15 = 408/395.Thats the last mod u need to hit 400+,I am very impressed with your results.I now hope to hit 375RW A4 with my heads and 214 cam,then I'll go LSX down the road too..
Nothing like a stock idling 400RW monster
Good results Rob...
Nothing like a stock idling 400RW monster
Good results Rob...
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Almost every H/C 346 M6 car Ive seen dynoed doesnt have equal torque/HP so your about right were it needs to be. Even bigger cam cars usually are like 434/400 or 422/393 or something simular. Glad you got it all together and driving around
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Originally Posted by JS
I'd add the LSX/90 and boom 15/15 = 408/395.Thats the last mod u need to hit 400+,I am very impressed with your results.I now hope to hit 375RW A4 with my heads and 214 cam,then I'll go LSX down the road too..
Nothing like a stock idling 400RW monster
Good results Rob...
Nothing like a stock idling 400RW monster
Good results Rob...
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High dynamic and static compression are vital to make big mid-range torque. What is your static compression ratio? What thickness head gasket are you running? The GT2-3 is not known for making lots of low end torque, but it kicks butt in the top end.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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These are GMPP CNC LS6 heads with 65cc.
Static compression is around 10.7:1 +/- Gasket was a .045 cometic.
I knew the GT2-3 wasn't a torque king but was hoping the spread would have been closer like the stock heads. Actually its not as bad I think it is. 8 vs 13 spread. So I guess its really not that bad....
Static compression is around 10.7:1 +/- Gasket was a .045 cometic.
I knew the GT2-3 wasn't a torque king but was hoping the spread would have been closer like the stock heads. Actually its not as bad I think it is. 8 vs 13 spread. So I guess its really not that bad....
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Think about it this way, about the only way to get your torque peak and hp peak to be the same is to have a low rpm motor. Since the tq and hp graphs cross at 5252 rpm, your motor would have to have a fairly low hp peak (under 6000 rpm) to do that. Take my motor for instance: Torque is above 400, but the split between tq and hp is even greater than your's because of the rpm that I'm turning. I'd say your motor is going great. A few more thoughtful bolt-ons and you'll be there.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 Pat G tuned.
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Yes, there are lots of things I could do to get the numbers I want. Solid rear instead of IRS, cat back, TB, intake(either CAI or manifold), ditch the cats, etc.
FWIW, its a great little street package. Can't wait till the track opens up this season. Should easily run low 12's
FWIW, its a great little street package. Can't wait till the track opens up this season. Should easily run low 12's
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Finish bolt-ons and then see what you think about the numbers. That cam is pretty small so it's doing well to put out the numbers it's doing right now, and you're leaving a lot on the table without a catback and ported TB or FAST intake/NW TB. Looks like a fun car, though. Keep us updated.
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Ported TB is next on the list. As far as cat backs go, you really don't pick up much over the stock GTO exhaust. Best results I've seen have been 6-10rwhp. That's not a lot of gain for $600-1000 they want for them.
I doubt I'll end up changing to a fast any time soon. The LS6 is pretty good for this cam. I really want to get an over the radiator setup like the Aussie's are using but that still seems to be a couple months off. Or just build my own, which I'm contemplating.
I do have a complete '05 stock exhaust if I decide to change the bumper. That is 2.5" all the way back vs. my 2.25".
I doubt I'll end up changing to a fast any time soon. The LS6 is pretty good for this cam. I really want to get an over the radiator setup like the Aussie's are using but that still seems to be a couple months off. Or just build my own, which I'm contemplating.
I do have a complete '05 stock exhaust if I decide to change the bumper. That is 2.5" all the way back vs. my 2.25".
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It don't look right to me. A guy in town got over 400 with a 226/226 and stock heads, tuned and dynoed by Jeff.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=226%2F226
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=226%2F226
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Looks good but I am thinking of a bit bigger now. Which of these do you guys think would give more torque at the lower RPM range? Same heads GMPP
Comp 212/218 .522/.529 114 or 222/224 .566/.568 112
George
Looks good but I am thinking of a bit bigger now. Which of these do you guys think would give more torque at the lower RPM range? Same heads GMPP
Comp 212/218 .522/.529 114 or 222/224 .566/.568 112
George
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How do you guys think ROB's track times would compare with his identical setup in an A4 F-body (3500 stall, 3.23 gear)?
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Originally Posted by 11 Bravo
It don't look right to me. A guy in town got over 400 with a 226/226 and stock heads, tuned and dynoed by Jeff.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=226%2F226
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ight=226%2F226
Isn't the LPE a 207/220 or so? Those are good #'s for a tiny Cam