sledneck687

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Hey everyone, sonetime this winter i was planning on buying a cam for my car. Of course I will be geting LT's,catted y, LS6 intake, and port the TB also. But I am kind of confused on what cam to get. I was looking into the Torquer 2 in either a 112 or 113. The thing is would that even be safe to rev anywhere past 6300 on in a 1998? Also, i drive to school 25 highway miles each way. WOuld there be a ton of surging, cruisin at about 60-65 in 6th? For now i also have the stock 3:42's. The 3:73's will hopefully be coming this summer. I can handle some surging. And how much would my gas milage be affected. My original goal was to make 400rwhp cam only. But my car being a 98, im sort of concerned about the rod bolts. Should i even consider this cam? or should i go with something smaller like the F13? I also want something that has a decent lope to it.

Thanks-Jarett

s346k

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with a 98 i would be more concerned about oil return than the rod bolts. you can fix the rod bolts easier compared to the oil return issue. regardless, i think you'd be fine if you shifted ~6500 with that cam and the supporting products. the surging would be related to how well your car is tuned. better tune = less surge. also, i would recommend upgrading your oil pump and installing a new timing chain (ls2) with your cam swap.

PREDATOR-Z

If you do not plan on spinning high, forget that cam and get something with a 2000>6500 range (TR 224, FM 11, TSP 228R, Comp 224 etc)

sledneck687

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would i be safe to spin it to 6500? I was going to get a ported ls6 oil pump and ls2 timing chian also. As for the rod bolts, my dad doesnt want me doing that because he says that I would be at a greater risk to spin a bearing after the install, because i would have had everything apart making stuff inside not as tight? It looks like many other people have installed katechs without any problems

PREDATOR-Z

Katech bolts are 50lbs/ft and good to go. They were designed especialy for that for GM ASA program.
LS1 rods are cracked rods, so as long as bolt heads are same as stock, no issues.
Katech bolts are similar to stock ones but with a higher tensile strength.

Look, a good TR224 112 will put a huge smile on your face, street friendly, good mileage and if you decide to put heads on in the future a good 420rwhp cam.

SouthFL.02.SS

F11 gets my vote, with his gear selection. 6250ish peak hits the target zone discussed.

PREDATOR-Z

Yeap, I mentionned that one too

SouthFL.02.SS

I know you did.

sledneck687

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i was just searching and it looks liek the f11 had around 390-400 rwhp. Is that right? Also how is the amount of lope with the f11? I want it to sound mean.

PREDATOR-Z

SouthFL.02.SS

I like the F11 because it's making more up top over the TR224. With good heads it's in the 440rwhp range with proper bolt-ons. It has a great tq curve also.
I can't vouch for it loping or not, but I'd rather a cam that pulls up top hard and gives a great tq curve than a cam that lopes hard and doesn't provide those benefits. Edit: for Blanco *Not implying the TR224 in this last statement, referring to lope in general.*

Also, have a look at the ol' G5X1 from LG
228 232 .588 .574 112

99blancoSS

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Cant agree more with predator here, check out my numbers.

99blancoSS

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Prove the fm11 makes more. It doesnt, the fm13 is compareable the tr224. You want the best street cam on the market you get the TR224 112 lsa. You want your power above 6000rpms get a different cam. Its plain and simple and has been proved time and time again. Also use he freaking search button and look at some graphs to see the actual power ranges of the cam, not what the mfg'er says it will do.

99blancoSS

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Get the fm11 and you will be disappointed. Even the fm13 cant beat the tr224 until you get over 6000rpms and it never beats it in torque. Personaly I dont care what you put in your car but I just cant stand the bullshit saying fm is better than when its not even close. A smaller tr cam outpulls the bigger fm cam all the time but yet you get yahoos on here who still dont understand that peak hp numbers dont mean crap in a DD car. GO ahead nd get that peak number and see how slow your car is. Unless your in the rpm range of you peak hp number you arent seeing it or even getting to use it. Peak numbers are only good at the track if you can keep the rpms in the range to use it. This is not what happens in dialy driving. Best thing you can do is look at graphs and compare power ranges. The select what meets your needs. Dont use the mfg'ers numbers either, use real time graphs from real people.

Jason 98 TA

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The Torquer 2 would be just fine on a daily driver application. I have one in my Goat right now & I took the guys to lunch in it & 2 of them didn't even notice the camshaft was swapped out with the cats still in place! I would probably go 113 in your application, it will peak earlier & have a little rougher idle. That camshaft comes in pretty early & made 14rwhp gain over a 224/224 .581/.581 camshaft! Thats pretty hard to beat for a camshaft that drives nice & idles nice.

sledneck687

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Jason, what would be a good rpm to shift at with the torquer 2? would 6400 be too soon? Also, i thought the lower the lsa, the sooner the cams peak? In that case wouldnt the 112 be better? Also how is the gas milage? 18 or so??

PREDATOR-Z

You can see in my sig I have that cam (Torqr V2), it replaced my Stealth II (224/220 .581 116) and made an extra 15>20 rwhp.
I was surprised how streetable that cam is but I did loose a bit below. Above 4000 rpm now watch out that thing pulls and pulls. I've been to 6800 on juice and the curve would not even dip.
Would I use it as a daily driver, NO, a still maintain a 22x range cam is better for that, but for street/strip it is awsome. Does it behave on the street, YES.

Jason 98 TA

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Torquer on a 113 would probably peak 6200 ish, I think 64 would be ok.

Jason

PREDATOR-Z

This cam is not meant to be shifted at 6400. You'll not make less power by doing so, but you wouldn't be using the cam for what it is built for.
Any shifts less that 6600 at wot is a waste of that cam.
What is the point of having a cam that can carry its peak power to 7000 rpm and shifting it at 6400???
If 6400 is what you want, then get a cam that peaks at 5900-6000 and carry that power to 6400. You'll still have more HP on a cam like that from
idle >4500 rpm

99blancoSS

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dont you have a dyno of this cam you can post?