Generation IV Internal Engine - anyone have experience with Schwanke engines?

I'm looking for a complete engine, from intake down to dry sump pan, including the management sytem, for a project road racing car I'm building.
I came across Schwanke, which sells a complete LS2 engine with 525 HP for about $14K. Is this a good price for a complete engine set up? Does any one have any thoughts on how driveable a set up like this will be on the street?

Is there anyone else I should be talking to about a complete set up?

525hp at the flywheel? That's week by our standards. Check out some of the engines we carry and give me a call. I have several road racing engines going together now and a few track cars out there. www.rapidmotorsports.com

Mikey ;)

I remember talking to Schwake at PRI. He makes those setups mostly for circle track cars. He even has engine rental programs etc.
I agree that HP is not stellar but he sets them up for long term abuse for a season.

If you want something very complete for a project car Im sure he could get it done. However if you spend some time here on this site and in the conversion section you could do something alot more suited to your needs for alot less if you were inclined to do the work and purchasing yourself. We also have a ton of sponsors that could set you up as well.

knowing what class and org you will be racing w/ would help.

Mikey (posted earlier in the thread) has done a lot of roadracing stuff.

525hp at the crank is childs play. :)

I know you guys can make way more power than 525 crank! My bigger concerns are drivability and durability, as well as gas mileage (as wierd as that sounds). The car it's going into is about 2000 lbs, so I don't need piles of horsepower - 500 HP will be plenty to scare the crap out of me! Better that it has a nice, smooth torque curve from 3000 to 6800. The reason I need decent mileage (no crazy overlap cams?) is that the gas tanks only hold 11 gallons at the moment - if I'm getting 15 mpg, have to hit a lot of gas stations on the way to the track!

I have limited time and expertise to get an engine together, then tune it, so I'm looking to take the chicken way out - soup to nuts, ready to drop in.

contact TPIS they specialize in road race dry sump gen 3 engines.they build engines for world challenge,grand am,t1 t2 and more.
952-448-6021

Most of the posts you'll find here are rwhp. A stock cube ls2 with heads/cam could make 500rwhp. A 402 with a smallish cam could make 500rwhp and have a wicked torque curve. With a car that light I would think you would want to rely more on hp to win races to keep traction through the lower rpms.

Nate

wadd- sent you a pm

We also build Turnkey motors fit to your specific application

Me and ramairws6 live about an hour from there and took my car down there for a base dyno last Summer and I don't even want to begin to tell you about the time we had :eyes: my cars TPS sensor wires burnt together so we really never got a good pull and he still charged me 200$...Just for the dyno!! He doesnt tune..

BUT the best part was during his 2 hour LSx speech :jest: and shop tour he told us about these PPstage 2 heads on the self for 1599.00 (I don't think he knew I have the same heads) and he was going on and on about them like a proud father, and I was like yea I got my heads for 800$ shipped and he was like Yea for one....., and mylsef and ramairws6 are like no for both...! Them heads went back in the box without another word!!

BUT like said above when it comes to circle track motors he knows his stuff I think. What he does is uses a truck motor 4.8 5.3 and 6.0 with the truck intake and then has a bunch of computers tuned in open loop or a base tune and just tunes around them with injectors and such to go in stock cars. He wanted to try one of them computers in my car but we where like how would that work :confused: Won't be going back there real soon.

I think one of the guys that used to work for him went to Katech a few years back. Can't recall his name right now.

Here is his site http://www.schwankeshortblocks.com/

I was at Schwankes shop last weekend chassis dynoing a Super Late
Model that runs at Slinger Speedway in Wisconsin. We spent the day
doing pulls on a "developmental engine," that is fuel injected, and can run
different types of fuel. He was very nice to us, and is very knowledgable.
You wonld't be making a poor choice by getting one of his engines. They are reliable.

keithfnk@yahoo.com

I know you guys can make way more power than 525 crank! My bigger concerns are drivability and durability, as well as gas mileage (as wierd as that sounds). The car it's going into is about 2000 lbs, so I don't need piles of horsepower - 500 HP will be plenty to scare the crap out of me! Better that it has a nice, smooth torque curve from 3000 to 6800. The reason I need decent mileage (no crazy overlap cams?) is that the gas tanks only hold 11 gallons at the moment - if I'm getting 15 mpg, have to hit a lot of gas stations on the way to the track!

I have limited time and expertise to get an engine together, then tune it, so I'm looking to take the chicken way out - soup to nuts, ready to drop in.

so what car is the engine goin into????

is itid enginedby any chance??? ;)

Chris.

so what car is the engine goin into????

is itid enginedby any chance??? ;)

Chris.

I'm building a Lola T70 spider reproduction from Gardner Douglas in England. It's a tube frame chassis, with a an LS motor and Porsche gearbox. A couple sponsors from the forum were very helpful, particularly Taylor from Mizfit (really good guy), though I ended up buying a stock crate motor, figuring it had enough power with good reliability, at a very good price.

Car should be blazing fast when finished. :chug:

Hey wadd thank you for the kind words I know you didn't buy a motor from us but I am gald you ended up finding something that worked best for your setup. Best of luck.

My friend bought a Schwanke long block for his stock car mid-season last year. When they tore down the motor to put some better heads on, you could see that every piston hit the head. Last week I went to watch him race and the cam or lifters went out - could not be adjusted. From what he told me there was a delay in getting the engine due to some kind of cam problem. Apparently this problem wasn't fixed.

So, no I would not reccomend him.

What type of engine was that? Was it a LS engine or a Gen 1?

What type of engine was that? Was it a LS engine or a Gen 1?
It is a gen 1. Still, engine machining and assembly don't change much. If anyone, including Schwanke himself, question what I am saying I can put you in touch with the owner of this motor. I am not trying to bad mouth anyone, just stating what I know. I have seen the heads first hand.

And just how was that engine running before your friend decided to take it apart? My guess is that it was running pretty good. The cam didn't go flat until the heads were swapped...right?

Sorry, but if you're running a limited oval track class every little bit counts. Pistons that just brush the heads at max rpm are not uncommon for that level of engine. Its part of the program. Quench is made as tight as possible and the clearance volume is derived from much experience. Your friend should have called him instead of just assume as you are that its incorrect. There more than one oval track engine out there where you can read the piston part number on the cylinder head.

How does it run now?

Anderek,
Agreed, these engines need every little bit of power you can give them.

NoMoreFWD,
Did Schwanke put the new stuff on or did your friend? To me it does sound like you are trying to bad mouth him, because if you weren't you wouldn't be telling all of us about and just keep business where it needs to stay. Just my $0.02!!!

A member of the forum was asking about Schwanke and I stated a known experience, and was willing to put them in touch with the person 1st hand. Buy from whomever you want.

MSU racing you have a LSX car or what?

Just wondering... :)

I'm building a Lola T70 spider reproduction from Gardner Douglas in England. It's a tube frame chassis, with a an LS motor and Porsche gearbox. A couple sponsors from the forum were very helpful, particularly Taylor from Mizfit (really good guy), though I ended up buying a stock crate motor, figuring it had enough power with good reliability, at a very good price.

Car should be blazing fast when finished. :chug:

very nice mate! i think those cars look amazing and with the light weight are pretty dam quick!

you might want to take a look/ask some question on here

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/forum.asp?f=20&h=0

tis is the Ultima section of piston heads. the ultima run a similar setup to your car (normally sbc and G50 box but there are a few LSx otors showing up now!!) and they are a helpful bunch! :)

PLEASE PLEASE post some pics up! :)

thanks, a very jealous, Chris. :)

I'm going to have to side with NoMoreFWD on this one.Someone was just simply asking if onyone had any experience with Schwanke engines.He just explained the situation he knows a friend had. Just because it was a negative experience doesn't mean he was bashing! Just telling it like it was. Like my buddy Speedo said......we were both there and just wern't impressed with anything that we seen. I honestly wouldn't take my Tricycle there to be worked on?! Now..........let the bashing begin!!:jest: Traver

MSU racing you have a LSX car or what?

Just wondering... :)

No, I don't have a LSx car. But, I have been working with the LSx engines for the past 5 years. :)

No, I don't have a LSx car. But, I have been working with the LSx engines for the past 5 years. :)

Name? I am in the AET program here at school. PM if you want......

Name? I am in the AET program here at school. PM if you want......
This may be the guy that told me at Car-Craft that they got well over 500 (like 530 or so)at the tire out of a stock 6.0 shortblock with stock l-92 heads.. :eyes:

Maybe not, I don't know...

Why bring this back from the dead????

Why bring this back from the dead????

My fault, I am looking at strokers for my camaro and I did a search for the name. I didn't notice the date on the last post until I had already posted. :gruffy:

529 at the wheels on a 6.0 block with l92 heads with camchange

Sounds impressive except for the fact that we don't know if it's a A4 or an M6 and also what kind've vehicle it's in,or are these crank numbers?The total drivetrain of the vehicle(if it's Chasis Dyno #"s)will dictate the outcome of all different sorts of scenerios of power. So is it impressive..............or isn't it!? You be the judge............................:D Traver

Wow, way to dig up a sleeping post by the way!!:devil:Traver

The 529 number is from an asphalt late model running on E-98 with a 4 speed tranny, not the one mentioned earlier.

We now have the abilities to tune with EFI Live since I came back, so anyone is more than welcome to come for a dyno session.

I am the guy you were thinking that went to Katech. If you have anymore questions, give me a call.