LS1Lust

I want to know how much better QTP is than Pacesetter. Is there any big difference in HP gains from one to the other? I am trying to decide if QTP is worth the extra $500.

Thanks,
Alex

STANG KILLA SS 2

iTrader: (6)

with your mods no. save your self the cash and buy the pace or hookers and buy something else and make even power!

bowtieman81

iTrader: (35)

If you intend on a cam/heads in the future you might consider the QTP headers. I have seen a few guys make some better power with the HVMC, plus the QTP are good quality stainless.

You get what you pay for I guess.

LS1Lust

So it will take atleast a cam before the QTPs give any noticeable gain over the other headers? I understand that the QTPs are built better but I am not to worried about rust here in AZ. Do all long tubers provide about the same gains?

~Alex

weestro

There's a huge difference, stainless vs mild steel (coated). Here's a quick read on the properties of both and why I chose stainless for my setup:

http://www.burnsstainless.com/TechAr...s_article.html

STANG KILLA SS 2

iTrader: (6)

funny how its from a site thats trying to sell you stainless.....take it with a grain of salt.
btw even WITH a cam u wont see 5hp max difference in the two....
with your current setup MAYBE 1 or 2 hp. with the extra 500 bucks u could make alot more power buying something else with the pacesetters.

Mcduffys

iTrader: (2)

This isnt completely true, my brother who also lives in AZ. Is makeing 10-15 more RWHP then his friend who has the exact same mods. He has QTP's and his buddy has Pacesetter.

The QTP is a proven header, with no fitment issues what so ever. Just like what was stated before you get what you pay for.

Call Mike @ AzPowerandSound.

Mcduffys

iTrader: (2)

The QTP or Kooks headers will not only make a few extra peak HP they will make more power under the curve.

weestro

FWIW, Burns is a pro-level exhaust fabricator with customers in F1 and Nascar. They're much more than just a shop that sells stainless...

Covet

iTrader: (1)

Well just to throw in my two cents: different cars often produce different power, even with the exact same mods. Differences in tuning, how the car has been treated, etc can all affect that. The 10-15 HP there, at least from what I understand about headers, is probably due to other factors.

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Mcduffys

iTrader: (2)

You are correct about different cars producing different power. I just thought i would toss that out there. There setups are identical except for the headers and was also tuned by the same person.

QTP's will make slightly more peak power but will shine under the curve compared to Pacesetters.

LS1Lust

Were there ever any tests done to see how the different headers preformed on the same car?

~Alex

Mcduffys

iTrader: (2)

Like i said Contact Mike @ AzPowerandSound. Stop by and talk with him. He will be more than happy to take his time and discuss this and anything else with you.

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SSCamaro99_3

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I doubt it. There are way to many factors between cars to make a determination between two different cars with the same mods.

Covet

iTrader: (1)

Really if I were you I'd base your choice more around your budget and your plans for this car. If you're planning on making this an extremely modified racing machine, yeah, go with the QTP, they're stainless so they'll last damn near forever and apparently they will produce those few extra horses that some people crave.

If you're like me you have a budget though, and that 9 second car is just a bit unattainable so you choose to save a bit of cash on the headers, sacrificing a small amount of quality, so that you can direct that money elsewhere (cam, new rear end to hold the power you'll be putting in there, new wheels/tires, etc).

Either set of headers are gonna give you a solid amount of power and unless you are REALLY picky I don't think you'll be dissatisfied with either.

Speed Density

iTrader: (38)

So an extra 2-3 ponies is worth $500? I understand were all in this for power and times, but thats a bit extensive. I like how there coated but i dont think the price is worth it, it does last and keep the engine cooler but its spendy, its almost like comparing BORLA to FLOWMASTER.

firedog02z28

iTrader: (1)

I think that they are worth it. For the simple fact that they are stainless. They will be the last header you will ever buy for your car. With that being said, I can't afford them. So pacesetter is better for me because I can afford them NOW.

Speed Density

iTrader: (38)

Well My Pacesetters are awsome i dont think i would have changed anything.

STANG KILLA SS 2

iTrader: (6)

2 cars 2 dynos 2 different days will have that much difference with the exact same mods........

again. use your money wisley. your not building a 10 second car.

heres it is in black and white...

(appoxe HP)
$800 QTP headers= +22 HP
total $800 & 22HP

or

$375 Pacesetter headers= +20 HP (on TSPs 10 second car)
$150 TR ported TB= +5HP
total $525 & 25HP
($275 left for more mods, beer whatever!)

or

$375 Pacesetter headers= +20HP
$400 BBK 80mm TB= +10HP
total $775 & 30HP

ChocoTaco369

not to mention if one's a manual and one's an automatic. the manual will always dyno several horsepower higher.