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Old 04-26-2006, 03:13 PM
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Which heads out of these are the best for a 228R 112 LSA, FAST 90/90 setup, pros and cons, thanks....and i cant afford AFRs so dont say afr
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Checkout Bufords results with the LS6 heads on a 232/228 camshaft. I think you'll like his results! We really don't do much of the 5.3l heads anymore, with the power gains the LS6 heads are showing I just prefer them
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even over the darts?
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AFRs

Otherwise, I'd say go w/ Jason's recommendation.
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How about a set of Stage 2 5.3L heads from Patriot? I have a set used I'd let go for a good price-I can also get them completely redone and upgraded to stage 3 if you'd like. PM me if your interested! If not, I'd go with the Dart 205s.
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PRC ls6 head all the way. I ordered them I cant wait to get them in hopefuly jon said they might arrive on friday then there going on, with my 239 cam. originally goin with the 228r but i swapped it for the 239
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If you haven't ordered yet, get the 228R on a custom LSA
Mill the PRC stage 1 with PRC duals to 61 cc (.018 mill)
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228/228, .585/.585 110+1 LSA (109 ICL)
With .053 (stock gaskets)

This will give you 11.1:1 SCR and 8.64 DCR
VE's 43 IVC (6200 rpm peak), 45 EVO (great trq) and 5 IVO Vs 3 EVC for nice carry after peak. (EST shiftpoints 6500.)

This will maximise your setup, plenty PTV, 8* Overlap (nice lope) and enough trq to make most strokers say "WTF"

This is my 2c
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^^^Well said buddy & considering the price & this specific camshaft the LS6 heads will performed damn good then hit the dyno for some tweaking

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thanks a lot for the help predator, i will prolly do exactly what u said
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I would run a cometic .040 instead of milling the heads to 61. You wil get a better quench than if you just mill them and run the stock gaskets.

You could possibly run into a problem running pump gas with a dcr that high if you dont have a tight quench.

With my set-up my dcr is 8.66 and static is 11.04 or so. Unmilled heads and .040 cometic. your dcr will be slightly different because my cam is slightly different, but not by much.

I would recommend running a cometic .040 instead of the milling.

and if you are tight for cash...the comp 918's will handle the 228r just fine.
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
I would run a cometic .040 instead of milling the heads to 61. You wil get a better quench than if you just mill them and run the stock gaskets.

You could possibly run into a problem running pump gas with a dcr that high if you dont have a tight quench.

With my set-up my dcr is 8.66 and static is 11.04 or so. Unmilled heads and .040 cometic. your dcr will be slightly different because my cam is slightly different, but not by much.

I would recommend running a cometic .040 instead of the milling.

and if you are tight for cash...the comp 918's will handle the 228r just fine.
True, trick is:
1- locate any Cometics
2- Being able to install without leaks (those suckers have been horrible lately)

I was just giving the cheapest, easiest option. With good gas (93)a .047/.048 quench is not an issue with 1 step colder plugs gapped at .038>.040
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yes the wait on cometics sucks. I plan on using the copper spray to combat the leaking problem. I havent heard of any leaks when using the copper spray.

I ordered them on april 10th and they still havent shipped yet.

If he runs the comp 918's instead of the duals and buys the cometics it will be about the same price as getting the dual springs and a stock gasket. I guess it is up to him...but I would go for the tighter quench.

Hey predator...do you think I should get some tr6's instead of the tr55's? Im not sure if I should run a colder plug or not, their are mixed opinions on this.

thanks
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
yes the wait on cometics sucks. I plan on using the copper spray to combat the leaking problem. I havent heard of any leaks when using the copper spray.

I ordered them on april 10th and they still havent shipped yet.

If he runs the comp 918's instead of the duals and buys the cometics it will be about the same price as getting the dual springs and a stock gasket. I guess it is up to him...but I would go for the tighter quench.

Hey predator...do you think I should get some tr6's instead of the tr55's? Im not sure if I should run a colder plug or not, their are mixed opinions on this.

thanks
I would if you have a looser quench, depends on fuel quality too (and weather, altitude etc...).
If not TR6 then 1 step colder for sure. It is a good insurance for 8.5 DCR +
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well my quench will be tight with the .040 cometic, and I have 93 octane around here. altitude is around plus 500 to 1000 feet.
I already have the tr55's...do you think I should switch?
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Are your heads milled? What cc?
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they are the heads in my sig. unmilled, 64cc. .040 cometic
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What about TEA stage 1.5 5.3?

Or MTI stage II 5.3 heads?

Both are great sets of mid priced heads with CONSISTENT results.
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so should i get the heads milled or just leave them alone and get .40 cometic?
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I would go cometic if you're not worried about them leaking.

If you (or whoever is installing)have confidence and know what you are doing I would go with the cometics. If set up properly on clean surfaces, you shouldnt have to worry about a leak.

Milling a head also slightly hinders its flow as well. Beisedes the tighter quench advantage...I would think you would get slightly better results running the gaskets over the mill.



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