View Full Version : big block into 96 camaro


white&black96z
05-01-2006, 06:38 PM
i was just wondering if big block chevy could fit into a 96 camaro and if so what kind mods do you have to do.

Cam72aro
05-01-2006, 07:25 PM
I have a friend that has a big block in a 94 camaro. He has a tubular k member and custom headers. It has motor plates to hold the motor in, but I think you can get the k member with the mounts on them. I believe it is an aje k member. Hope this helps, Josh

Oscar Will
05-02-2006, 10:48 AM
I drove a big block 1995 Camaro around the block a couple years ago.....it was an evil handling, nose heavy car that might be ok for drag racing only. It was a loaded 502 with a th400 trans and a Curry 9" in the rear. It was nicely done but was just a crappy car with alot of torque.

MIGHTY z28
05-02-2006, 03:34 PM
www.outlawhp.com

A birdie told me that the owner tony had one once.

ball597
05-02-2006, 05:46 PM
2455 hookers and a shitload of cutting to the stock k-member other than that its a pretty simple process :jest:

cwaldt
05-02-2006, 05:51 PM
2455 hookers and a shitload of cutting to the stock k-member other than that its a pretty simple process :jest:

I have done the exact same thing. As far as weight goes, with the proper weight reductions on the front half of the car you can get it back to small block levels.


Heres one of the threads on my project, the other is just a thread on my k-member and motor.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455433

TwoFast4Lv
05-02-2006, 08:58 PM
Drive a 427 LS7 ;)

NOT a BBC but I have to tell you...roll through the gears once yanking the shifter at 7,200 in every gear and you might foget about a Heavy BBC ;)

Other then that GM did the first one about 13-14 years ago ;) Very nice and you can buy most of the stuff.

Good luck!

ball597
05-02-2006, 10:47 PM
if you build it right then you can crank a bbc all day long at 7200

also have you done any research on the bbc swap for a 93-up camaro because 13-14 years ago would have been a hole different body style there bud

TwoFast4Lv
05-03-2006, 11:49 PM
if you build it right then you can crank a bbc all day long at 7200

also have you done any research on the bbc swap for a 93-up camaro because 13-14 years ago would have been a hole different body style there bud

The LS7 is lighter and faster then a BBC of the same CI and gets MUCH better MPG ;) MUCH easier to swap in and MUCH easier to drive. Have I done Research? Every day.... Will a Huge CI BBC make more power? Sure CI means every thing. Then Again the Gen III/IV Engine is extremely effecent. I am seeing almost 600RWHP out of LS7 cars N/A modified correctly and they have not peaked yet!

Ball you fail math? 93 F-body came out in 92...it IS 2006 ;) The Moss car was Originaly a LT1 car not a LS1 car. Hell it still has the LT1 hood on it!

I suppose if you can pick up an old BBC dirt cheap and completely hack up the 4th gen it should be able to get done for say $5k car included

JPMuscle
05-04-2006, 12:03 AM
but consider the coin your gonna spend on LS7$$$$


old school BBC equals cheaper on every level...


-john

TwoFast4Lv
05-04-2006, 02:05 AM
but consider the coin your gonna spend on LS7$$$$


old school BBC equals cheaper on every level...


-john
Crate LS7 14k ready to run. BBC ready to run $10k

http://www.shafiroff.com/ultrastreet/598_755_engine.asp

Yup cheaper and heavier. Not cheaper at the pump ;)

JPMuscle
05-04-2006, 02:11 AM
lol yeah i forgot to mention that part but still.


-john

572ysc
05-04-2006, 10:13 AM
In my mind you could go to an aluminum bbc and save a lot of weight, or am I mistaking.

TwoFast4Lv
05-04-2006, 10:44 AM
When you could get them they were selling from $14k and up. some in the $30k range for some reason

http://sallee-chevrolet.com/ChevyBigBlockV8s/ramjetzl1.html

JPMuscle
05-04-2006, 05:14 PM
In my mind you could go to an aluminum bbc and save a lot of weight, or am I mistaking.


sure you would save alot of weight, figure in the price for the block and see what you come up with, i cant speak to any of the current prices i wanna say the Brodix block was around 5 grand but im not 100% sure.

xxx
05-04-2006, 05:49 PM
Drive a 427 LS7 ;)
roll through the gears once yanking the shifter at 7,200 in every gear and you might foget about a Heavy BBC ;)


The our BBC enjoyed being shifted closer the the 8k mark... It made over 800 hp on motor an easy 1100 on a single shot, and by the track numbers she was probably closer to the 1200 mark. The setup was under 12 grand...

Now how does the over priced 427 match up?

If you want fuel mileage, buy an import..

Now if you want a straight up bad mofo that will be an easy fit, this is bang for the buck. We had intentions on building one of the nastiest nitrous small blocks and got side tracked on a turbo project.

Can ya say 1100 horse small block!!!!

http://racingjunk.com/post/632042/NEW-401-quot-EFI-Dart-SBC-complete-w-2-kits.html

JPMuscle
05-04-2006, 07:31 PM
he he owned lol


-john

ball597
05-04-2006, 07:57 PM
The our BBC enjoyed being shifted closer the the 8k mark... It made over 800 hp on motor an easy 1100 on a single shot, and by the track numbers she was probably closer to the 1200 mark. The setup was under 12 grand...

Now how does the over priced 427 match up?

If you want fuel mileage, buy an import..

Now if you want a straight up bad mofo that will be an easy fit, this is bang for the buck. We had intentions on building one of the nastiest nitrous small blocks and got side tracked on a turbo project.

Can ya say 1100 horse small block!!!!

http://racingjunk.com/post/632042/NEW-401-quot-EFI-Dart-SBC-complete-w-2-kits.html




:hail: finaly some one that knows there shit chimed in :hail: thank you

TwoFast4Lv
05-05-2006, 02:54 AM
I bet it drove like a kitten on the street to didn't it ;) To bad it only made 1100 on the juice. I can think of a few small blocks LT1s making that kind of power ;) I seem to remember one Maxing a Dyno jet last winter :D

No one got owned here that is for sure.

Oh and Check the Sig for the tow rig ;) Only a 355...


The our BBC enjoyed being shifted closer the the 8k mark... It made over 800 hp on motor an easy 1100 on a single shot, and by the track numbers she was probably closer to the 1200 mark. The setup was under 12 grand...

Now how does the over priced 427 match up?

If you want fuel mileage, buy an import..

Now if you want a straight up bad mofo that will be an easy fit, this is bang for the buck. We had intentions on building one of the nastiest nitrous small blocks and got side tracked on a turbo project.

Can ya say 1100 horse small block!!!!

http://racingjunk.com/post/632042/NEW-401-quot-EFI-Dart-SBC-complete-w-2-kits.html

Like I said, I am sure a dirt cheap fourth gen big block can be done for under 5K....

Thanks for Bailing Ball out...he needed it :D

matthewdeem
05-05-2006, 11:41 PM
Any one got so info on were i can get a k member with or without brakets for midplate motor plate got a 509 bowtie block tall deck with dart pro 1 heads and lots more thanks matt

Thunder175
05-06-2006, 07:09 PM
Currently building a BBC 4th Gen car... browse this forum for answers to more of your questions.

http://nhrafirebird.kicks-ass.net/images/project98/IMAG0063.JPG

Nate81Camaro
05-07-2006, 10:38 AM
yummy!

TwoFast4Lv
05-08-2006, 02:28 AM
Currently building a BBC 4th Gen car... browse this forum for answers to more of your questions.

http://nhrafirebird.kicks-ass.net/images/project98/IMAG0063.JPG


VERY NICE!


BTW BMR sells a very nice K-member for the job ;)

JPMuscle
05-08-2006, 04:37 PM
VERY NICE!


BTW BMR sells a very nice K-member for the job ;)


The BMR is a nice piece but its also 500 bucks, PA racing version is only 298 plus mounts. UMI is suppose to be coming out with a Beefy as version sometime this month but i dont believe prices have been released.
http://paracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=129&osCsid=e98f231f1033c9e29bfcdb8eec3a5741


-john

TwoFast4Lv
05-08-2006, 06:44 PM
I have a PA on My car Also ;) I just remember the BMR having a slight better mounting system IMHO ;)

Either or will work fine

Thunder175
05-08-2006, 07:13 PM
All this talk about K-members... Picture taken a little early on in the project

http://nhrafirebird.kicks-ass.net/images/project98/IMAG0015.JPG

TwoFast4Lv
05-09-2006, 02:42 AM
looks like it is setup for motor plates?

Thunder175
05-09-2006, 05:57 AM
Thats correct. Front and mid plate for a very big BBC. Will probably be holding a 582 from Bischoff. Car is being set up to run 8.50's :drive:

fubar569
05-09-2006, 09:58 AM
simply badass! - I'm in the middle of a 427BBC swap in my 84 Corvette. it's always nice to see someone come into the light. there simply is no substitute for cubic inches! good luck to everyone and when we get these all finished up we'll have to meet up someplace and shoot the shit!

GTFORMULA
05-09-2006, 11:22 AM
Does anyone have pics of the 2455 hooker headers installed in a big block 4th gen f-body ? Is the a bigger primary header available that would fit? I was kicking around the idea of this for awhile and if other have done it and could point me in the right direction Id appreciate it. I was going to use a front motor plat and a poly mount of the trans. Is that ok ? What kind of things would you hane to do the get the distributer in and carb to clear the firewall ?

Slow Z28
05-09-2006, 11:32 AM
big block eye candy from my chassis guy. this is not my car, but a buddy Paul's car. He had gone 10.80's on a completely stock ls1 with a dual stage and TH400. now on to this thing :)

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=235&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=245&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=272&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=327&w=490&q=90

before pic..

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=81&w=490&q=90

chassis guy is the same guy who did the Impala on the Summit Racing Cover...

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=159&w=490&q=90

Thunder175
05-09-2006, 11:44 AM
Does anyone have pics of the 2455 hooker headers installed in a big block 4th gen f-body ? Is the a bigger primary header available that would fit? I was kicking around the idea of this for awhile and if other have done it and could point me in the right direction Id appreciate it. I was going to use a front motor plat and a poly mount of the trans. Is that ok ? What kind of things would you hane to do the get the distributer in and carb to clear the firewall ?

You will definately need to cut the cowl either in the center. On my car I had it cut all the way back to where the windshield will be riveted and you'd be surprised how much more room you have to work with. With this method however it will require some tin work to close up the cowl again.

You will also most likely need to go with a crank trigger ignition. I cant see even with the cut cowl how to easily get back there to do anything back there. From day one I have been planning on running an MSD crank trigger.

Thunder175
05-09-2006, 11:47 AM
Slow, nice pictures thanks! Interesting how he replaced the firewall like that. I never really considered that because of the rules that change when you modify the firewall and/or floorboards like that.

Slow Z28
05-09-2006, 01:25 PM
No prob... the car is all tubular from the front subframe back. full interior will be tinned. full 4-link setup, etc... not going for any class, just fun. motor did like 1100 on the engine dyno. has a fogger ready to be tossed into the mix as well.

he modified the firewall so he could set the big block back a little further. has a TON of room up front now for the accessories. it's a pretty "raw" photograph but will obviously look better when everything gets painted and finished. the car has the mike moran hood, so because of hos big that is, that is why he cut up into the window like that. it's getting the percy's speed glass up front.

GTFORMULA
05-09-2006, 01:54 PM
Very nice pics. Thanks for the crank trigger idea. That may be the way to go. Anymore ideas on the headers. How high of a hood would you need with the big block. I know it depends on the setup but any rough ideas with a standard deck and victor with dominator.

cwaldt
05-09-2006, 04:03 PM
You will also most likely need to go with a crank trigger ignition. I cant see even with the cut cowl how to easily get back there to do anything back there. From day one I have been planning on running an MSD crank trigger.

I'm running the distributer in its normal place and I have enough clearance back at the firewall to clear it. I also cut out enough on the cowl to where I can take the dist. out with the motor still in the car. Believe it or not. It actually surprized me that I'm able to do this. All this can be done and I'v still got my windsheild wipers. I'll have to get some up dated photo's. Here's some that are a month or so old. I don't have any pictures with the cap, headers, carb on yet.

http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/incar1.jpg
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/incar2.jpg
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/incar3.jpg
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/incar4.jpg
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/incar5.jpg
http://www.porteighty.biz/uploads/top view.jpg

ball597
05-09-2006, 06:47 PM
the biggest problem i had with the2455 headers was on the pass. side firewall where the heater box used to be i had to massage it pretty hard to get the headers to fit
cwaldt did you have the same problem???

GTFORMULA
05-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Are there any bolt in headers for big block to f-body with big primaries. Also is there any oil pan problems with the kmember. How much room is in the front of the motor with it in the stock location.

ball597
05-09-2006, 07:10 PM
2455's will bolt in with some massaging..they are also 2 inch primaries

Thunder175
05-09-2006, 07:28 PM
2455's will bolt in with some massaging..they are also 2 inch primaries

Everyone has always said that they require "massaging", well what exactly does that mean and where does it need to be modified? Are we talking modifiing the flange or what?

ball597
05-09-2006, 07:44 PM
that means take a big friggin hammer and beat the hell out of the pass side fire wall

GTFORMULA
05-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Does everyone use a normal small cap dist. or a crank trigger ,and can you remove it when in car. Does the carb clear usually or do you turn it side ways

cwaldt
05-10-2006, 01:21 PM
I had to beat the passenger sidewall and heater box to get the headers to fit. I worked on this with the car lifted and the engine on the K-member. Thats the best and easiest way to do this. Also I cut alot off the corners of the stock K-member.

As far as what oil pan to use. I was able to use a stock 454 oil pan, but it did take hitting the K-member in a few places. Hitting the K-member probably wasn't nessacary but it always plenty of room under the oil pain.

GTFORMULA
05-10-2006, 02:47 PM
Thanks for answering my questions guys. Anymore info will be appreciated.Thanks

ball597
05-10-2006, 06:58 PM
I had to beat the passenger sidewall and heater box to get the headers to fit. I worked on this with the car lifted and the engine on the K-member. Thats the best and easiest way to do this. Also I cut alot off the corners of the stock K-member.

As far as what oil pan to use. I was able to use a stock 454 oil pan, but it did take hitting the K-member in a few places. Hitting the K-member probably wasn't nessacary but it always plenty of room under the oil pain.



i glad i'm not the only one that had to do the exact same thing :chug:


on the corners of you k-member did you put any plate over where you cut or did you leave it open??

JPMuscle
05-11-2006, 01:20 AM
big block eye candy from my chassis guy. this is not my car, but a buddy Paul's car. He had gone 10.80's on a completely stock ls1 with a dual stage and TH400. now on to this thing :)

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=235&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=245&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=272&w=490&q=90

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=327&w=490&q=90

before pic..

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=81&w=490&q=90

chassis guy is the same guy who did the Impala on the Summit Racing Cover...

http://www.otedesign.com/gallery/getimg.php?p=159&w=490&q=90

ha Ha Back halfed 4th Gens is where its at!! :chug: :chug:


-john

TwoFast4Lv
05-11-2006, 02:47 AM
Nice Race Car! :d

BLWN1
05-29-2006, 01:21 PM
Great info guys....