UCABlackChevy

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I got a friend trying to buy a car and I was wondering stock vs stock which one is faster: 98-02 V6 F-body or 92 5.0/5.7 Trans Am?

427-WS6-87-02

I would say buy the 98-02 then do a LS1 swap, and then you will know which is faster


Sorry if this didn't answer your question.

YsoFast

I would say buy the 92 then do a LS1 swap, and then you will know which is faster. lol A thirdgen with an LS1 is lighter than a stock fourthgen.

The 92 305/350 will be more fun than a 01-02 v6 anyday. Try to find a clean 305 TPI with a 5 speed.

98Blubrd

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I think the 98-02 V6 F-body would be faster than the 92 Trans am. The TPI wasnt the most powerful engine IMO (it can be with some mods). The V6 that came in the 98-02 F-body's had like 200 horses (Stock vs Stock I would say the V6). The 3rd gens are just to Bla looking IMO compared to a 4th gen.

UCABlackChevy

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LOL didnt really answer the question guys but thats cool, also this car would be a daily driver...EDIT: didnt notice your post 98BluBird sorry

also which would be an easier LS1 swap: 01-02 V6 or 92 T/A?

johnpate01

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Have him save up $2000 more and just buy the LS1, or the payments wouldn't be too bad. The swaps can get expensive very quickly if you are not extremely careful.

gun5l1ng3r

An engine swap is soooo much work, IMO, but I would probably try and get a low miles 1992 Trans Am.

UCABlackChevy

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The only problem he would have about getting a LS1 over the other two is insurance. He is 20 and has quite a few tickets...

So how would you guys think the insurance for him would compare on a V6 F-body vs 92 T/A vs LS1?

burnzilla

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You would be dead wrong.
the 92 was the last year of the L98 350, and it had around 340 Tq, which is more than most LS1's.

An L98 Iroc or GTA would eat a 3800 V6.

98Blubrd

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Are we Dyno racing? I doubt your gonna find a 92 trans am that is running like new and looks like new unless he wants to spend top dollar. I was assuming he was reffering to a 305 TA anyways. I haven't seen a stock L98 or 305 that was impressive in an F-body. Yes they had a nice amount of torque but not nearly as much horsepower. I dont know how you could honestly compare the power of a stock L98 to a stock LS1 is like comparing apples to oranges. Check the quarter mile times for both cars stock. I think they are both in the mid-high 14-low 15 second range.

burnzilla

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I didn't say the L98 was faster because it has more power, I said it was faster because I KNOW.

You think?

Well lets try some facts.

My brother owns a 87' 25th Ann Iroc-Z, has lil' over 100K
A buddy of mine in high school had a 98 V-6 Camaro with 30K.

The Iroc walked all over that car. ( and wtf does miles matter anyways )
It was closer than I thought it was gonna be.
No doubt, those V-6's are bears, and the newer technology shows.

Dont benchrace, if seen this happen and rode in both types of cars.
In 91 and 92, the 1LE L98's were close to 240 hp and ran mid 14's...stock.
No stock 3800 will do that.

Ever.

kyle91z28

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my 91 L98 ran 14.4 @ 96 without even having exhaust, ain't gonna get beat by a damn 3800

fastfbody

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a good 1992 l98 350 tpi is some good stuff.or just buy it swap a ls1 in it and show us what a 3rd gen can do ( witch is easy 12s with a stock ls1).if i just put a ls1 in my 87 iroc in stead of selling it for this car i would have a 12sec car instead of a soild mid to low 13 sec car.

kyle91z28

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And my car came with 250 HP/ 350 torque stock, now with bolt-ons and tires I hit a 13.63, and with my nitrous i hit low 12's at 111-113 mph with traction issues.

Oh yeah and the stock ratings on a 92 trans am 350 would be 245 hp /345 tq, you can swap a t-56 into the l98 and really wake it up.

With bolt-ons I can take mildly modded ls1's from a dig from stop lights, but I can't hold them off too long.

More reasons: V6 f-bodies just dont look good, the L98 or 5-speed 305 will definately sound better, and modding a V6 is just lame

98Blubrd

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Did all of the 3rd gen Ta's come with The L98? I was pretty sure a whole bunch of them had 305's that were complete dogs. The 5.7's were ok but still nothing to brag about in stock form. Trying to give him more info than oh the L98 is slightly faster than a newer V6 camaro while leaving out that 305's were dogs. I definately wouldnt mod a V6 either as you should just save your money (although put some NOS on the V6 and they will fly). I have seen plenty of 3rd gens lose to newer V6 F-Body's. I personally would never get a third gen or a V6 f-body, save up to get something better.

kyle91z28

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Who the **** cares if you would get a third gen or not, it's about whether he wants one or not. That 3800 wouldn't beat a 305 either, espeically a 5-speed. The 5-speed 305 TPI's ran mid 14's in stock form too...

If he was smart he'd just pay on an LS1, which is what I'm going to do. The question is 92 v8 vs. 98-02 v6...

ZeeQuick

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I'd go with the '92 just for the coolness factor. V6 F-bods are a dime a dozen...at least here in NE Ohio they are. Don't see too many nice '92 V8 F-Bods. The '92 would definitely sound better, and probably be much more fun to drive. For the record a buddy of mine in high school had an '89 GTA with the 305 5-speed. With an exhaust and intake he ran a best of 15.5 in the quarter mile. I don't see mid 14 second times for a stock 305 happening....maybe for an L98.

01formula6

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Since I had a 92 Z28 for 5 years I might be slightly biased....but get the 92 with a V8, as long as it's a TPI engine, not TBI. Either the 350/Auto or 305/5spd combo will be much faster than the V6. Besides that they will sound better, and IMO look much better than the 4th gen V6's. However, if you want newer, lower mileage, better gas mileage get the V6. It's all in what you are looking for.

angel71rs

Well I real world raced a 6 banger 4th gen with the daily driver I had before my SS. It was an 89 Formula 350 WS6 twin cat, stock except for a fowmaster muffler and K&N filter. We both worked in the same manufacturing complex and got off @ 4 pm, along with dozens of other drivers. So this schmo would get stupid whenever he'd see me, getting on the throttle, weaving in and out of lanes trying to impress me. He did... as being a complete idiot.


I guess he thought my turd gen would be easy pickings for his newer car. Nope. One nice & sunny, cool spring afternoon, I was cruising along after work and caught a red. Guess who pulls up next to me, yup, it's the schmo. Too cool. Light turns green, and what happens next was not pretty. I absolutely ASSRAPED him.

Even better, it happened in front of the people who drove home the same route every day after work. It just made his humiliation all that much sweeter.

The best I ever got out of my 89 was a 15 flat... at our 4,100 ft altitude track. After I bought the SS, I gave the 89 to my nephew. He tuned it up, put in new injectors, and got a 14.9 out of it. It had ~ 105k on it at the time. Depending on the correction factor for altitude, that's 14.2 - 14.3 at sea level.

I know that there wasn't a big hp/torque rating difference between the L98's and the 3800 peakratings, but the L98 makes it's torque from right off idle, not at 4,000 rpm. Makes a big difference in the real world.

And as far as not finding good looking, good running 3rd gens available today, wrong again. I was car shopping recently and found a few low miles, beautifully maintained examples. I was just a little late on scoring an 89 Formula 350 that was almost a twin to my old car, except it had ~ 40k/miles on it and tops. Guy wanted $4,500 for it and I would have happily paid it. I ended up getting this, so I did ok:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWN%3AIT

ProKill98

[QUOTE=98Blubrd] I haven't seen a stock L98 or 305 that was impressive in an F-body. Yes they had a nice amount of torque but not nearly as much horsepower. I dont know how you could honestly compare the power of a stock L98 to a stock LS1 is like comparing apples to oranges.
My dad had a 89 GTA with the L98 that went 14.50 stock and 14.30s after a cat-back. When you consider that some LS1's can't hit a 14.0 that's not exactly apples to oranges. Yes, LS1s are awesome and should all be in the mid to low 13's and some in the 12's, but don't shun the L98 just because of it's low hp ratings compared to today's engine. That 340 ft. lb. of torque combined with the low 1st gear of the 700 r4 transmission can be very potent in stoplight to stoplight races and it will get up to 80 - 90 mph before it started wheezing a little. If the 92 TA is a 305, forget it, but if L98 350 go for it and do headers and a cam.