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Moser 9" - 420WHP - M6 - 17" M/T DRs - Any chance of hooking??

Old 05-18-2006, 01:04 PM
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Question Moser 9" - 420WHP - M6 - 17" M/T DRs - Any chance of hooking??

Well, I'm taking my MS3 cam-only SS on Saturday for a dyno tune, then on Sunday for a track rental where I hope to get in some serious testing/tuning.

The car has the following parts:
  • Moser 9", 4.11 gears
  • Chromeoly driveshaft
  • UMI LCA's with brackets
  • UMI Adjustable Panhard Rod
  • UMI Torque Arm with the new transmission relocation bracket
  • Spohn Rear Drag Bar
  • SFCs
  • Stock Springs with CE 3 Way Adjustable Shocks (Set on 50/50)
The suspension is all stock up front. I want to launch the **** out of this thing... I'm just afraid my 17" Mickeys won't be up to the task of HOOKING.

I won't be getting my ProStars for ~another month. I appreciate all your suggestions/tips/tricks on getting this thing out of the hole in a hurry. Thanks in advance guys!
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I have pretty much the same setup as you have.

I'm running 17"ET streets..12bolt all the suspension stuff. I also have Hals all the way around w/the rear swaybar.

5000 dumps = 1.56 60ft...anything under 5000 it bogs

Its a 98 bolton car w/Trex cam w/stock 98 heads. Tuned by Creech SD.

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Nice! What PSI are you running? Any tips/tricks I should keep in mind? Are you dead hooking at 5000+ RPMs?
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Originally Posted by JoeyAnderson
Nice! What PSI are you running? Any tips/tricks I should keep in mind? Are you dead hooking at 5000+ RPMs?
Just set the line lock and 2nd gear burnout....get alot of heat in the tires. I'm still not a pro, thats for sure. But with only a cam only car, 8 passes at the track...oh and a proshifted liberty its not bad...i'm thinking of ditching the m6 and excedy clutch in favor of the TH400 w/a brake. If you know of anyone interested let me know!

put down 420 at creechs shop, so its dead hooking.

Between 9-11 psi. Anything under 5000 it bogs out the hole and a .10 slower in the 60ft.

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Nice! Are you using 17" ET Streets:



or 17" ET Street Radials?



I'm on the radials, and I'd be shocked if my car could make 1.5x short times on these tires.
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Streets...the top ones!

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Oh they hook. I have the 16" tires though.

BLO: What is your RW and what are your ETs?
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i've got the ET street radials, i'm not real impressed. they hook ok, but with the way everyone talked them up i was hoping for more.

btw, i have all BMR suspension (LCA's, extreme duty trak pak TA, relocation brackets) and stock shocks and springs.

the radials just can not take the initial hit from the clutch, after that they're great, i just can't for the life of me get them to bite off of the line.
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Well according to your sig you can't even hook a slick so your opinion is nil. Not bashing. I 60' better with 16" MT ET street radials and much less power and mods than you. 1.65 on stock clutch, springs, shocks, PHR, 10 bolt and many others.

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Well, to answer my question: No, the 17s would not hook. The best 60' I could net was 1.7xx, all leading up to an astounding 8.1 sec pass @ 87.xx mph.

Time for some 15s...
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Originally Posted by JoeyAnderson
Well, to answer my question: No, the 17s would not hook. The best 60' I could net was 1.7xx, all leading up to an astounding 8.1 sec pass @ 87.xx mph.

Time for some 15s...
Dont jump ship yet, plenty of 17s pulling great 60's, just got to know what you are doing.
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Drag radials are not really as good on manual trans cars as automatics, as far as what I've heard from most racers and reps at M/T.

My 275/60/15's work great, 1.512 60 foot this past Saturday.

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Might just need to dail in your suspension.....just got to get your car to work!
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Originally Posted by BADSZ28
Well according to your sig you can't even hook a slick so your opinion is nil. Not bashing. I 60' better with 16" MT ET streets and much less power and mods than you. 1.65 on stock clutch, springs, shocks, PHR, 10 bolt and many others.
It is easier to hook up less power! Especially when you have a stock clutch that probably slips mildly already.
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Oops. Those are ET Drag Radials.
Sorry but that is a pretty weak excuse.
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Originally Posted by BADSZ28
Well according to your sig you can't even hook a slick so your opinion is nil. Not bashing. I 60' better with 16" MT ET street radials and much less power and mods than you. 1.65 on stock clutch, springs, shocks, PHR, 10 bolt and many others.
your sig looks a lot more impressive

it does hook, 1.68 was spinning the slicks through the 60' mark, 2nd run ever with the new setup...

next run, lower air pressure to 12 psi, hooked, twisted driveshaft in two and sheered off torque arm. the car has cut low 1.6's with the stock clutch on ET streets.

no need to be an *** dude






anyway, all i was saying, was these tires are hyped to be just as good or better than the bias-ply ET streets. i did not find that to be the case. they may hook good for a radial, but i don't believe (on most street cars) these will hook any where near a true slick. JMO
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Originally Posted by Packy
It is easier to hook up less power! Especially when you have a stock clutch that probably slips mildly already.


that is the problem i've found with the ET Street radials, they cannot take the initial shock from the clutch drop (that is if you have a real clutch in the car). that is where the bias ply tire is superior, IMO.

i've raced with both, and the stock clutch just slips and slips with a sticky and a clutch dump, almost like having a stall convertor
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If you could read you would see I said not bashing. And I said according to your sig since I do not know your best 60' or with what tire. So, way to fly off the handle. I never said my sig was impressive. But I have cut 1.65 on a 16" ET street radial in a nearly stock car. So either your car is 4klbs or you need practice out of the hole. I have yet to get the new set-up to the track. Once I get some shakedown passes we will see how weak my sig is. Heaven forbid people get constructive criticism on this site.
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I agree that a bias ply is better for all out drag racing, but some like a DR to drive on the street. Once my DRs are done I am going bias ply. Car only gets maybe 3k miles a year.
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anytime you have to say, "i'm not bashing", you probably are. just food for thought.

like saying, i'm not trying to upset you, but you're fat.

and yes, my car with me in it is probably very well near 4k, and it doesn't take a genious to side step a clutch off of the line. rev it up, let go of clutch, hope everything holds together.

i am no where near flying off the handle yet, i need a 12-pack in me for that. just clarifying what the setup was.

it's all good man

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