Street Racing & Kill Stories - dan03mach vs TX_SS

fianlly, i went down to MEXICO and raced him. took me good 30mins to meet up @ the spot. anyhow this is wat happened.

1st run NA vs NA

45mph roll he was half car ahead and it was DEAD EVEN till 120ish..

2nd run he sprayed :devil: and i dont have NITROUS.

45mph roll he was good 3 to 5 cars ahead till 120ish

last run was 65mph roll and once again it was dead even till 120ish and i pulled a fender on him due to gearing.

good run DAN, maybe ill get you next time.. :devil:

here is the breakdown for both cars.

TX_SS
-Direct-Flo lid, K&N filter, Thunder Racing polished MAF ends, ported, filled and smoothed throttle body
-Agostino Racing Stage 1 valve size with Stage 2 porting, LS1 casting, milled .030", REV stainless valves (2.02/1.57), Comp 918 springs.
-Thunder Racing 224 .563 cam on a 112 LSA
-Crane hardened pushrods
-Grotyohann 1 3/4" long-tube headers with ball flange collectors and emissions fittings (these were one of Roger Grot's last sets produced)
-Lane's exhaust custom 3" off-road Y-pipe with Dr. Gas merge-Y collector
-Dynomax Ultra-Flo 3" catback system utilizing 3" in, dual 3" out flowmaster muffler and dual stainless 3" Mufflex tips
-SPEC Stage 2 kevlar clutch
-New Torsen T-2 carrier, Genuine GM 3.73 gears, T/A girdle and stud kit

DAN
ask him.. he might post it on here but he has full suspension mods

sweet runs.. :hail:

Great runs man.. My cars mods are: JLT CAI, PHP Intake spacer, stock motor, Hooker Lontubes 1 3/4 to 3" collectors, 2.5" O/R X pipe, Magnaflow Catback.. Fully built rearend with 4.10 gear, upper and lower control arms, adj. Shocks in the rear.. My front suspension is all stock still, "waiting on my K-member to come in", Aluminum flywheel, Ram HD 900 Clutch, aluminum D/S, TKO tranny, The weight of the car at this time was around 3300lbs with out driver, I had my daily driving rims/tires on. My car runs pretty strong on motor and on the bottle.. I'll see you around again sometime.. Let me know if you get a N20 system and I'll help you install it..

yall heard; im getting a NITROUS.. SOON~!

Nice runs guys :cool:

peace

good runs/ nice death
How long ago did you get those Grotyohann headers. Your lucky to have a set.

good runs/ nice death
How long ago did you get those Grotyohann headers. Your lucky to have a set.

they were purchased in 2002..

fianlly, i went down to MEXICO and raced him. took me good 30mins to meet up @ the spot. anyhow this is wat happened.

1st run NA vs NA

45mph roll he was half car ahead and it was DEAD EVEN till 120ish..

2nd run he sprayed :devil: and i dont have NITROUS.

45mph roll he was good 3 to 5 cars ahead till 120ish

last run was 65mph roll and once again it was dead even till 120ish and i pulled a fender on him due to gearing.

good run DAN, maybe ill get you next time.. :devil:

here is the breakdown for both cars.

TX_SS
-Direct-Flo lid, K&N filter, Thunder Racing polished MAF ends, ported, filled and smoothed throttle body
-Agostino Racing Stage 1 valve size with Stage 2 porting, LS1 casting, milled .030", REV stainless valves (2.02/1.57), Comp 918 springs.
-Thunder Racing 224 .563 cam on a 112 LSA
-Crane hardened pushrods
-Grotyohann 1 3/4" long-tube headers with ball flange collectors and emissions fittings (these were one of Roger Grot's last sets produced)
-Lane's exhaust custom 3" off-road Y-pipe with Dr. Gas merge-Y collector
-Dynomax Ultra-Flo 3" catback system utilizing 3" in, dual 3" out flowmaster muffler and dual stainless 3" Mufflex tips
-SPEC Stage 2 kevlar clutch
-New Torsen T-2 carrier, Genuine GM 3.73 gears, T/A girdle and stud kit

DAN
ask him.. he might post it on here but he has full suspension mods



what are you making to the rear?

So a H&C TA with full bolt-ons is about even with a bolt-on Mach from a 45mph roll to 120? :confused:
I don't think his suspension mods were helping him any given you guys went from a punch.
Props for posting the outcome.

what are you making to the rear?


400rwhp.. :drive:

So a H&C TA with full bolt-ons is about even with a bolt-on Mach from a 45mph roll to 120? :confused:
I don't think his suspension mods were helping him any given you guys went from a punch.
Props for posting the outcome.

guess im a shitty ass driver.. :(

So a H&C TA with full bolt-ons is about even with a bolt-on Mach from a 45mph roll to 120? :confused:


Umm, yeah, I think I want a Mach 1 now. I know they are strong performers, but there's no way he should be able to hang with you N/A, makes no sense. Good runs!

Umm, yeah, I think I want a Mach 1 now. I know they are strong performers, but there's no way he should be able to hang with you N/A, makes no sense. Good runs!
Makes since to me.. You just don't know how good this car runs N/A.. I tried to tell people that but they just call B.S and start hating..

dan's mach is about 200-300 pounds lighter than the TA. Dan's car also has upper and lower control arms and the thing is setup for drag racing and has 4.10 gearing. dan was putting his power to the ground while not spinning the tires much. basically, his car is biting the pavement. im thinking he's making 330rwhp maybe more. i don't know if he was powershifting or not but it he was powershifting and the TA was doing regular speed shifting, i can definately see dan being dead even until he runs out of gear.

400rwhp.. :drive:

STD or SAE?

what are you trapping at the track?

I wasn't power shifting but I speed shit the hell out of it.. I can drive this car pretty damn good. Your pretty close to what my rwhp is.. Its around there..

these quick mach's may only have 320-330rwhp but don't let that fool you. they put every one of them to the ground and that's all that matters! most have aftermarket trans, big rear gear, full susp., and lots of weight reduction. when you get the car down in the low 3000's it doesn't take a lot of hp to make it move out. look at the 02 zo6. if that T/A is full weight then there is no reason to doubt this post!
tx ss you need a bigger cam to make full use of those heads!

these quick mach's may only have 320-330rwhp but don't let that fool you. they put every one of them to the ground and that's all that matters! most have aftermarket trans, big rear gear, full susp., and lots of weight reduction. when you get the car down in the low 3000's it doesn't take a lot of hp to make it move out. look at the 02 zo6. if that T/A is full weight then there is no reason to doubt this post!
tx ss you need a bigger cam to make full use of those heads!


yea i was thinking the same thing also. he does need a bigger cam and take advantage of those heads.

I do not do a lot of posting on this forum but I do spend a massive amount of time browsing and I have read about dans car on many occasions, so I realize that it is pretty fast. However, I find it very disappointing that a heads/cam ls1 can not take out a bolt on mach. I mean, seriously, a bolt on mustang dead even with a h/c ls1??? That just sucks...

From a roll it doesn't make any sense, but from a dig definately. Dan's able to put his power to the ground. Any F-body with a stock rear isn't gonna do that.

I ran mid-12's @ 110ish with my CAI/exhaust TA with a 2.0 60. Now imagine I had a 12blt w/ supporting susp mods. Low 12's wouldn't be unrealistic. Maybe even high-11's on a good day. No CAI/exhaust-susp. Mach is gonna run that number.


F-bodies have more power stock for stock/mod for mod, they just don't put it to the ground. Mustangs do.


It's really not that hard to grasp once you understand that...

Good races. Dan has always said that his Mach can hook and put the full power to the ground and thats what get you moving. And the steep gearing is only helping him move out even quicker.

I do not do a lot of posting on this forum but I do spend a massive amount of time browsing and I have read about dans car on many occasions, so I realize that it is pretty fast. However, I find it very disappointing that a heads/cam ls1 can not take out a bolt on mach. I mean, seriously, a bolt on mustang dead even with a h/c ls1??? That just sucks...


It's all about supporting mods. Not to mention weight reduction, driving, etc. come in to play.

Regardless I've raced full bolt on Machs and pulled on them or stayed pretty much dead even with them so I think Dan is sandbagging. Considering I just have bolt ons.

Who knows. Sounds like some good racing.

Damn what a suprsing outcome...Mach's are no dogs though so I believe it.

you just have to see that car in action, for a bolt-on mach it runs like nuts.. not to mention dan can drive the shit outa it... i had a short lil run with it one time headed towards a hooters and that thing just goes.. btw whats up dan

WEIGHT matters immensely even from a roll.... Nice runs guys! :) With the significant weight advantage and 4.10 gearing Dan has his car fully optimized for the power he has. That is why he runs like a 400rwhp full weight car. 400 pounds is like adding 40rwhp or more....

isn't it for every 100 pounds more ur car weighs than the other, u need 10rwhp more??

Makes since to me.. You just don't know how good this car runs N/A.. I tried to tell people that but they just call B.S and start hating..

Well they are idiots for hating, I mean, you guys ran and the the outcomes are posted. I have always loved those Machs, but who wouldn't be frustrated after a H/C LS1 goes down to a bolt-on Mach?

My dad was going to get an F-Body (30th T/A or 30th SS) but now he wants a Mach because he likes the shaker hoods. I mentioned the powerplant on those cars and how strong they run, he's tickled to death now.

It's all about supporting mods. Not to mention weight reduction, driving, etc. come in to play.

Regardless I've raced full bolt on Machs and pulled on them or stayed pretty much dead even with them so I think Dan is sandbagging. Considering I just have bolt ons.

Who knows. Sounds like some good racing.


haha...I understand why the outcome was what it was...but as an ls1 owner myself, I just hate to think about the fact that a bolt on mustang (I know, mach1) can be dead even with a h/c ls1...ya know what i mean?

TX_SS...get whatever it is that you need to get that power to the ground, and get a bigger cam to go with those heads, so that I do not have to hear about a h/c ls1 losing to a bolt on mustang.. :bang: ...Please.

btw, nice cars to both of the racers

It's all about supporting mods. Not to mention weight reduction, driving, etc. come in to play.

Regardless I've raced full bolt on Machs and pulled on them or stayed pretty much dead even with them so I think Dan is sandbagging. Considering I just have bolt ons.

Who knows. Sounds like some good racing.
There is no sandbagging here.. I tell it like it is I have no reason to sandbag since I don't go out racing for money or anything.. I just race for the fun of it.. BTW on of my buddys has a 02 Z28 with just bolt ons and weight reduction making right about the same power as you and he puts like 2-3 cars on me from a roll.. His car is very fast for just bolt ons and has beaten many cam cars.. And they alway call b.s. on him for just having bolt ons.. Some cars run better then others and anything can happen on the street..

you just have to see that car in action, for a bolt-on mach it runs like nuts.. not to mention dan can drive the shit outa it... i had a short lil run with it one time headed towards a hooters and that thing just goes.. btw whats up danWhats up bud?? You going out to the track anytime soon??

Im sorry, but a HC LS1 should spank a bolt on mach, esp from a roll.

Yeah, I think either Dan or DSGmach called me out one time (declined due to car running poorly) I think I will digress in the future. My ego is quite fragile at this point in life.

Im sorry, but a HC LS1 should spank a bolt on mach, esp from a roll.
Shoulda woulda coulda but didn't..

I belive dan's race weight is around 2900# if I recall correctly, or maybe im just smoking something...

Shoulda woulda coulda but didn't..I got a cam only SS that ill run you with, big stereo in the back, I will beat you from any rolling start, let me know.

I got a cam only SS that ill run you with, big stereo in the back, I will beat you from any rolling start, let me know.Come on with it you will only know if can beat me if you run me.. If you beat me on motor, I just crack the bottle open and let it take care of the rest..

here comes the "bottle is cheating" post storm...

Come on with it you will only know if can beat me if you run me.. If you beat me on motor, I just crack the bottle open and let it take care of the rest..you ever come down to Houston? Im not talking shit by any means, but a bolt on mach1 beating a HC LS1 is just silly. I mean my cam only car was traping 117 25HP ago, and like i said this is full weight with a big stereo in the back. If you ever in town PM me and we can roll out.

here comes the "bottle is cheating" post storm...hey run what you brung by all means... :devil:

Come on with it you will only know if can beat me if you run me.. If you beat me on motor, I just crack the bottle open and let it take care of the rest..
oh hell yea another race is brewing :jest:
spray till it pops :bomb:

spray till it pops :bomb:will do

guess im a shitty ass driver.. :(

We're all shitty ass drivers. No one on this site gets paid to race a car, that I know of anyway. At least you had fun, and that's what it's supposed to be about anyway. Get some spray on that thing and teach that pesky Mach a lesson. :)

you ever come down to Houston? Im not talking shit by any means, but a bolt on mach1 beating a HC LS1 is just silly. I mean my cam only car was traping 117 25HP ago, and like i said this is full weight with a big stereo in the back. If you ever in town PM me and we can roll out.I don't ever go out that way but if I do I'll let you know for sure..

Lot's of people get payed to race on this site, what do you mean? Just b/c they get payed by the slower driver and not an organization doesnt mean anything :jest:

Lot's of people get payed to race on this site, what do you mean? Just b/c they get payed by the slower driver and not an organization doesnt mean anything :jest:
Very true.. I think David "TX SS" wanted to run for a tank of gas.. Damn to bad I forgot about that.. I need to put some gas in the car now.. I'm going out racing tonight.. :devil:

Dan what does ur car weigh?

I stick with my 2900# estimate :)

Dan what does ur car weigh?
On the street it weighs around 3300lbs.. At the track it weighs around 3150lbs Soon to be a little over 3000lbs once all of my parts come in...

Hah, I was close :)

I'm going out racing tonight.. :devil:


Dan, where do you go racing? Do you troll on Cooper? :devil:

On the street it weighs around 3300lbs.. At the track it weighs around 3150lbs Soon to be a little over 3000lbs once all of my parts come in...with u?

*detects a hint of fear and reservation :) *

with u?Not with me but I'm light :devil:
Dan, where do you go racing? Do you troll on Cooper? :devil:Hell no.. I go to the local GTG's where there are people with fast cars..

hey dan if you ever come to h-town after sprayed1998 i got next!

Come on with it you will only know if can beat me if you run me.. If you beat me on motor, I just crack the bottle open and let it take care of the rest..
:werd: Thats how I do it too.

Dan, where do you go racing? Do you troll on Cooper? :devil:
LOL, Cooper trolls :jest: I ran into a pullied cobra on Cooper that I murdered. Used to always see plenty of ricers too.

TX SS and Dan, nice runs.
The hand of god only touched the LS1, but he built the MACH 1.
Of course I'm kidding.
Seriously, you have both racers posting with fair runs(- the nitrous run). Deal with it.
Is it the norm. NO, but it happened.
Standing by for the :bigun2:

Lot's of people get payed to race on this site, what do you mean? Just b/c they get payed by the slower driver and not an organization doesnt mean anything :jest:

Maybe I should clarify. None of us make a living by legally racing an automobile. Running for lunch money doesn't count. :drive:

geez whatz up with those ppl who thinks that i shoulda/coulda have won or pulled on this mach1. dan's mach1 is a strong car, plus he had a better traction than i did. also lil bit lighter. i might be a shitty ass driver but i firmly believe that im a OKAY driver. ASK DAN.. i dont miss shift nor i dont shift slow. i did power shifted for all 3 runs. not trying to make an excuse but my rear tires were shitty; i had some tractions issues. plus i need to re-tune my car; itz not running properly.

yes, i will get a bigger cam and retune my car.. plus a 150 wetkit..
DAN be prepare to lose next time cuz im coming with better shit...

either way; we all had a great runs and it was fun.. PERIOD.

Some guys race for sick amounts of cash, but point taken.

you ever come down to Houston? Im not talking shit by any means, but a bolt on mach1 beating a HC LS1 is just silly. I mean my cam only car was traping 117 25HP ago, and like i said this is full weight with a big stereo in the back. If you ever in town PM me and we can roll out.

Do you ever go out to HRP? Dan's car and mine are nearly identical minus the nitrous. That'll save Dan a trip...

Some guys race for sick amounts of cash, but point taken.

Ya I remember that vid from Chicago I believe. Guys counting out stacks of $100's for a race between an LS1 and a late 70's Malibu. Animals. I love it.

Do you ever go out to HRP? Dan's car and mine are nearly identical minus the nitrous. That'll save Dan a trip...Yes they are.. We could always put a shot on your car.. :devil:

Do you ever go out to HRP? Dan's car and mine are nearly identical minus the nitrous. That'll save Dan a trip...

jester i'm trying to get people togther out here if your down to come this way? sprayed1998 live in sugarland which is only about 15 min from here. also i got another mach lined up to meet up with us too....but he's on N2O!
or maybe a ls1 vs mach shootout at hrp? i think it's time to start thinking about a cage huh? we both ought to be close to getting kicked off at hrp. 11.5 and your kicked off i believe?

Yes they are.. We could always put a shot on your car.. :devil:
i've been telling him that! but he's mr. N/A

Umm, yeah, I think I want a Mach 1 now. I know they are strong performers, but there's no way he should be able to hang with you N/A, makes no sense. Good runs!

Makes perfect sense to me.... :devil:

Im sorry, but a HC LS1 should spank a bolt on mach, esp from a roll. Be sorry all you like... :eyes:

This reminds me of the LS1 vs. SC Cobra arguments that have been so evident in the last few years where 400ish rwhp F-bodies are taking out 460-480 rwhp Cobras. The LS1 guys need to re-read all the reasons they posted for the F-bodies winning those races and apply them to the Mach 1 in this case. It's ironic that the shoe is on the other foot in this situation.

There are a million kill stories of LS1 f-bodies taking out "Terminators" with 75 more rwhp, why is this race so hard to comprehend. A fairly light car running at it's potential, very good driver, gearing advantage, etc. beats a more powerful car with some other "disadvantages". :secret: it happens all the time on the street.

Kudos to both participants in this race. :hail: You're both good sports and the type of people that are actually enjoyable to run against on the street (win or lose).

the mach has a much better setup point blank period. the mach is making for power under the curve than the TA which is giving the mach the advantage until higher up in the rpms where the WS6 begans to pull away.

the mach has a much better setup point blank period. the mach is making for power under the curve than the TA which is giving the mach the advantage until higher up in the rpms where the WS6 begans to pull away.

i don't buy that. my car makes more hp and tq at 4k than most machs peak at! and from a roll you aren't going to be under that, execpt for the initial punch, maybe. if they rev'd to redline and dumped the clutch, then not at all. it's lb/hp that got him killed!

i don't buy that. my car makes more hp and tq at 4k than most machs peak at! and from a roll you aren't going to be under that, execpt for the initial punch, maybe. if they rev'd to redline and dumped the clutch, then not at all. it's lb/hp that got him killed!

that mach is geared better and he's getting into his powerband sooner. your car is not the car/setup in question here....

that mach is geared better and he's getting into his powerband sooner. your car is not the car/setup in question here....

from a 40 punch in 2nd they are already past the low end of their powerbands. anyway you said that the mach's make more power "under" the curve, which is not true.

Dan - Nice kill! :drive:

Guess we need to run 'em again if your bottle is working right this time.

from a 40 punch in 2nd they are already past the low end of their powerbands. anyway you said that the mach's make more power "under" the curve, which is not true.


i did not say machs make more power under the curve... i said dan's mach is probably making more power under the curve....

Dan - Nice kill! :drive:

Guess we need to run 'em again if your bottle is working right this time.
The bottle is working fine.. Just ask MellowYellow about that.. He got drug about 3-4 times last night.. Then he got smart and wanted to go from a 1st gear roll.. Spin city for me but I know how to drive and was only 1.5 cars back..

i did not say machs make more power under the curve... i said dan's mach is probably making more power under the curve....
still ain't buyin it! he won because of better setup, less weight, gears etc...
lets have them post up their dyno graphs!
if you compare the two i think that rpm for rpm txss will have more hp/tq. dan's will get to his power faster because of better gearing/less weight, but the motor doesnt have more power under the curve unless this is a very sickly h/c ls1. :bang:

im getting a retune next week.. ill post my dyno graph...

getting new plugs and cutout.

still ain't buyin it! he won because of better setup, less weight, gears etc...
lets have them post up their dyno graphs!
if you compare the two i think that rpm for rpm txss will have more hp/tq. dan's will get to his power faster because of better gearing/less weight, but the motor doesnt have more power under the curve unless this is a very sickly h/c ls1. :bang:
Here is my dyno graph..
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/Dan03mach/465rwhp.jpg

The bottle is working fine.. Just ask MellowYellow about that.. He got drug about 3-4 times last night.. Then he got smart and wanted to go from a 1st gear roll.. Spin city for me but I know how to drive and was only 1.5 cars back..

That's cool.. We can run for the hell fo it.. I'm pretty much lightly modded still.. stock gears and all again.. :devil:

Brians car run any different from last time?? Kinda feels a little loose when I am roasting the tires from a roll and still pulling... :eek2:

thanks dan!

Do you ever go out to HRP? Dan's car and mine are nearly identical minus the nitrous. That'll save Dan a trip...I am scared to pop my rear, I will tell you it ran 12.10's@117 on 17" avon street tires, with 2.0 60ft's shifting like a pussy to 2nd to not blow the avons away, now it's on 315DR's. I will do a 1st gear roll with you anytime though, let me know.

Makes perfect sense to me.... :devil:

Be sorry all you like... :eyes:wanna run my SS on the street in your 4v racecar?

4.10's really wake LS1's up, you gotta think how much NA 4V cars gain from steep gears, well I shift my SS at 6,800rpm, so I need a steep gear too, esp with the long gears in the T56. I took a few guys from this site for a ride one night out at the races and they were amazed how much my gears helped, they had similar set-ups and said my car felt like it had 75hp more than theirs, lol.

we still need to hook up to run :engarde:

yea we do, my buddy is getting his LT1 done soon and well be rollin out in Houston again, maybe one night we can run em on the freeways on the way home or some shit, we usually go to spots where people race from digs, but I dont like risking my rear much at all. But ill do anything from a roll, hehe. i got a pretty nice kill list coming home from that place! Ported Blower 03 Vert, KB Saleen (2V), S-Trim Bullitt on welds, nitrous/bolt on sn95 cobra, cammed LS1's, now when I go back on dr's their all gonna wanna run from a dig!

wanna run my SS on the street in your 4v racecar?

Why do you call it a "racecar"?

I never trailer it (OK, I did trailer it ONCE for a magazine shootout 4 hours away) and drive it regularly on the street. :eyes:

1000+ miles is a little far for me to drive to race you on the street BTW... ;)

in my opinion the car must have street legal tires, and be driven to and from the track! oh yeah and have at least 2 seats!!!whats the point in haveing a fast car if you can't even take your buddies for a ride?

Why do you call it a "racecar"?

I never trailer it (OK, I did trailer it ONCE for a magazine shootout 4 hours away) and drive it regularly on the street. :eyes:

1000+ miles is a little far for me to drive to race you on the street BTW... ;)Ok fine, how about a breakdown of the things you have taken off the car to save weight. Or better yet, what does the car weight (without you). I mean your car hauls ass for sure, but it's alot easier to just strip a car down and haul ass then it is do do full weight. I guess id rather do it with HP than do it with a striped down shell of a car.

in my opinion the car must have street legal tires, and be driven to and from the track! oh yeah and have at least 2 seats!!!whats the point in haveing a fast car if you can't even take your buddies for a ride?

I have both so I guess my car qualifies as a "Street" car then.... ;)

Ok fine, how about a breakdown of the things you have taken off the car to save weight. Or better yet, what does the car weight (without you). I mean your car hauls ass for sure, but it's alot easier to just strip a car down and haul ass then it is do do full weight. I guess id rather do it with HP than do it with a striped down shell of a car.

Car has every power accessory - including A/C - that came from the factory - power windows, locks, etc.

I take-out the passenger seat when racing and have a rear seat delete. The full interior is otherwise complete.
No spare or jack in the trunk.

With an almost-empty gas tank, my car weighs 3200 lbs with me in it (I weigh ~ 200 lbs in "Race Trim")

Ok fine, how about a breakdown of the things you have taken off the car to save weight. Or better yet, what does the car weight (without you). I mean your car hauls ass for sure, but it's alot easier to just strip a car down and haul ass then it is do do full weight. I guess id rather do it with HP than do it with a striped down shell of a car.

:suspiciou When I say that to the local gutted F-Body "racecars" with my DD Cobra they tell me "run what ya brung".

I do believe the outcome , but this is how a race between a H/C (stock LS2 heads) LS1 and a full bolt-on Mach 1 should look like.
We were both on street tires.
--------My SS---------------Mach 1
60'----- 1.97-----------------2.2
1/8--- 7.8@93---------------8.7@85
1/4---12.12@118.3---------13.3@107.3
Video
http://videos.streetfire.net/player.aspx?fileid=5FAFCBB2-DD81-4EA1-8E46-8C09CC219256

I do believe the outcome , but this is how a race between a H/C (stock LS2 heads) LS1 and a full bolt-on Mach 1 should look like.
We were both on street tires.
--------My SS---------------Mach 1
60'----- 1.97-----------------2.2
1/8--- 7.8@93---------------8.7@85
1/4---12.12@118.3---------13.3@107.3
Video
http://videos.streetfire.net/player.aspx?fileid=5FAFCBB2-DD81-4EA1-8E46-8C09CC219256

nice car; but seems like there was a driver error in MACH1.. he needs to learn how to launch it...

I do believe the outcome , but this is how a race between a H/C (stock LS2 heads) LS1 and a full bolt-on Mach 1 should look like.
We were both on street tires.
--------My SS---------------Mach 1
60'----- 1.97-----------------2.2
1/8--- 7.8@93---------------8.7@85
1/4---12.12@118.3---------13.3@107.3
Video
http://videos.streetfire.net/player.aspx?fileid=5FAFCBB2-DD81-4EA1-8E46-8C09CC219256

Geez, what a crappy driver.

I ran a 13.4 ET in my Mach (2.19 60' time) when it was 100% stock & had ~ 500 miles on it....

And exactly what do you mean by "Full Bolt-On"???

nice car; but seems like there was a driver error in MACH1.. he needs to learn how to launch it...That makes me laugh.. Hell I ran faster that that bone stock.. :jest: Full bolt on Mach1 only running 13.3's and only at 107mph :jest:

That makes me laugh.. Hell I ran faster that that bone stock.. :jest: Full bolt on Mach1 only running 13.3's and only at 107mph :jest:

You mean quicker or your car bone stock trapped more than 107 mph?

my car trapped 104, but a full bolt on mach trappes alot more then 107.. Hell my car trapped that much with just a catback and catted X pipe installed..

He could had pulled a 1.6 60' and I still would had spank that ass. Dan your car is definitely stronger than other Mach 1's. Congrats on the kill!

He could had pulled a 1.6 60' and I still would had spank that ass. Dan your car is definitely stronger than other Mach 1's. Congrats on the kill!

Or I could run you, pull a 1.5 60' and spank your ass with only a 116 - 117 mph trap speed... :devil:

That's with no cams, headwork, etc, either.... :D

I have both so I guess my car qualifies as a "Street" car then.... ;)



Car has every power accessory - including A/C - that came from the factory - power windows, locks, etc.

I take-out the passenger seat when racing and have a rear seat delete. The full interior is otherwise complete.
No spare or jack in the trunk.

With an almost-empty gas tank, my car weighs 3200 lbs with me in it (I weigh ~ 200 lbs in "Race Trim")
HOLY SHIT!!!!3200lbs w/you in it :hail:
i think a full weight t/a weighs about 3500-3600 without driver.the heaviest of the f-bods! next time at the track i'll weigh mine. your rims save you alot of weight too!

Or I could run you, pull a 1.5 60' and spank your ass with only a 116 - 117 mph trap speed... :devil:

That's with no cams, headwork, etc, either.... :D


But you ain't doing it, or what about if I pull a 1.5 60' :jest: .

But you ain't doing it, or what about if I pull a 1.5 60' :jest: .
what if this, what if that.. hahahahah its always the what if's.. Run it then you can talk not all the what if's..

I guess you didn't get it.

HOLY SHIT!!!!3200lbs w/you in it :hail:
i think a full weight t/a weighs about 3500-3600 without driver.the heaviest of the f-bods! next time at the track i'll weigh mine. your rims save you alot of weight too!

A full weight TA WS6 is about 3480, Formula and Z-28 is stated by GM to be about 3450. Had a friend who's WS6 stock weighed 3500 with him in it and he's 200 pounds so (shrug) who knows how GM weighed our cars.

I can't even imagine what my car would feel like weighing in at 3200 pounds with me in it!! What do bolt on machs dyno? Im guessing similar to a stockish LS1, with less TQ of course.

it would feel like 10's

HOLY SHIT!!!!3200lbs w/you in it :hail:
i think a full weight t/a weighs about 3500-3600 without driver.the heaviest of the f-bods! next time at the track i'll weigh mine. your rims save you alot of weight too!
3480 lbs here, 2000 TA with no driver, no weight reduction, a full nitrous bottle and a baby seat in it.

it would feel like 10'sHaha, no shit :devil:

Nice kills dan03mach. Sounds like ya'll had some good runs. :drive:

Nice kills dan03mach. Sounds like ya'll had some good runs. :drive:Yep we did have some good runs, I just don't understand all the hating..

I have both so I guess my car qualifies as a "Street" car then.... ;)



Car has every power accessory - including A/C - that came from the factory - power windows, locks, etc.

I take-out the passenger seat when racing and have a rear seat delete. The full interior is otherwise complete.
No spare or jack in the trunk.

With an almost-empty gas tank, my car weighs 3200 lbs with me in it (I weigh ~ 200 lbs in "Race Trim")
got to go on diet :jest:

Yep we did have some good runs, I just don't understand all the hating..It's not hate, it's just that the HC LS1 should have killed you, and judging by the fact you said your buds bolt on Z28 pulls you good you know that too, but eitherway nice kill. Just sounds like the LS1 driver could do alot better, thats all.

It's not hate, it's just that the HC LS1 should have killed you, and judging by the fact you said your buds bolt on Z28 pulls you good you know that too, but eitherway nice kill. Just sounds like the LS1 driver could do alot better, thats all.
And if you read what else I said the same bolt on Z28 has killed Big cammed cars that put down over 425rwhp too.. So for me to stay with in 2-3 cars is very good.. That car makes some good power and is very light.. Weight makes all the difference.. It isn't all about how much hp you put to the rear tires.. You guys keep on bringing up his H/C TA, His car has a small cam and I don't know about the heads but it only put down 400rwhp.. That isn't that much.. Just like the other guy on here said about LS1 cars with less power beating 03-04 cobras that put down 80+ rwhp more then them..

And if you read what else I said the same bolt on Z28 has killed Big cammed cars that put down over 425rwhp too.. So for me to stay with in 2-3 cars is very good.. That car makes some good power and is very light.. Weight makes all the difference.. It isn't all about how much hp you put to the rear tires.. You guys keep on bringing up his H/C TA, His car has a small cam and I don't know about the heads but it only put down 400rwhp.. That isn't that much.. Just like the other guy on here said about LS1 cars with less power beating 03-04 cobras that put down 80+ rwhp more then them..what does ur mach trap on motor?

As you know I RARELY agree with Dan, but hes right about weight making an incredible difference. Just look at the BOLTON Ls1s that are running over 120mph, and cam only setups running 130mph.... Yep they are gutted. ;) That being said if you trap higher you wont have a problem beating him from a roll....

what does ur mach trap on motor?
There aren't any trapps on the street.. :jest:

There aren't any trapps on the street.. :jest:By your reply ima guess less than 115. ANyhow, I just got done racing a 447rwhp 94 cobra, built 306 with a S trim, vids will be up soon. Good luck with your mach runs good, and like i said, anytime your in houston hit me up.

Yep we did have some good runs, I just don't understand all the hating..


dan; what did we talk about after tha race?? huh?? do you remember?? what did i tell you?? :jest:

It's not hate, it's just that the HC LS1 should have killed you, and judging by the fact you said your buds bolt on Z28 pulls you good you know that too, but eitherway nice kill. Just sounds like the LS1 driver could do alot better, thats all.

how could i do better besides shifting perfect?? esp in a roll race?? i was shifting fast and i consider myself a good driver. i just dont understand. i didnt lose to dan; we were DEAD even all the way up to 120mph.

dan was def better driver and had better traction/gear and lighter car. what is soo damn diffcult to believe that he was right next to me??? he has a real strong car. period.

ppl please stop with "what if that or this or could have or should have BULLSHIT"

Makes since to me.. You just don't know how good this car runs N/A.. I tried to tell people that but they just call B.S and start hating..

I know the feeling, Dan. Some people don't realize that some cars of one particular make and model run much stronger than others of the same make and model. Great runs. :cheers:

how could i do better besides shifting perfect?? esp in a roll race?? i was shifting fast and i consider myself a good driver. i just dont understand. i didnt lose to dan; we were DEAD even all the way up to 120mph.
I dunno man, you tied a 310HP bolt on mustang in your HC LS1 from a fucking rolling start, so you tell me.

There aren't any trapps on the street.. :jest:
thats all that matters from a roll :confused:

I dunno man, you tied a 310HP bolt on mustang in your HC LS1 from a fucking rolling start, so you tell me.


i dont see the problem... he put down around 330 RWHP and he tied HS LS1.. what is it that so hard to believe?? what is wrong with it?? why cant you just say...

"GOOD KILL" and move along??

FYI DAN has more the just 310hp bolt on MUSTANG...

i dont see the problem... he put down around 330 RWHP and he tied HS LS1.. what is it that so hard to believe?? what is wrong with it?? why cant you just say...

"GOOD KILL" and move along??

FYI DAN has more the just 310hp bolt on MUSTANG...I told everyone my car runs good and they still don't believe me.. O well screw the haters..

blah blah blah :engarde:

I'm starting to notice a trend here every time a ls1 gets beat by a lesser powered car the excuses and the hatin start flyin, whatever happaned to good kills, thats a nice car man ,etc. etc. blah blah and all that other horse shit, instead we get "he can't drive", "there's something wrong with your car" I mean jesus people lighten up.

I'm starting to notice a trend here every time a ls1 gets beat by a lesser powered car the excuses and the hatin start flyin, whatever happaned to good kills, thats a nice car man ,etc. etc. blah blah and all that other horse shit, instead we get "he can't drive", "there's something wrong with your car" I mean jesus people lighten up.

Did you read post number #117? I said just what you are saying. Guess what though, the same shit happens over on svt.performance.com. When someone beats a Mach 1 or Cobra, all the haters come out of the woodwork making excuses. This type of behavior is a universal constant, just get use to it. It's as sure as death and taxes. :jest:

Did you read post number #117? I said just what you are saying. Guess what though, the same shit happens over on svt.performance.com. When someone beats a Mach 1 or Cobra, all the haters come out of the woodwork making excuses. This type of behavior is a universal constant, just get use to it. It's as sure as death and taxes. :jest:
LMAO.. Yep.. Those people on SVT are some hating mofo's.... I love spanking them.. Those guys get so pissed off it isn't funny.. :jest:

I'm starting to notice a trend here every time a ls1 gets beat by a lesser powered car the excuses and the hatin start flyin, whatever happaned to good kills, thats a nice car man ,etc. etc. blah blah and all that other horse shit, instead we get "he can't drive", "there's something wrong with your car" I mean jesus people lighten up.70+rwhp is a pretty big difference, esp. from a rolling start.

70+rwhp is a pretty big difference, esp. from a rolling start.
Well I see the same thing happen with F-bodys vs. O3-04 Cobras.. So whats the big problem..

Well I see the same thing happen with F-bodys vs. O3-04 Cobras.. So whats the big problem..
:werd: When less powered LSx's beat like cobras we all say is not all about power but when we lose to a lesser powered car a lot of people come and start the "should have, could have" bullshit and have no idea how a lower powered car can win when be beat higher powered cars all the time.

I told everyone my car runs good and they still don't believe me.. O well screw the haters..

Dan, they are going to think the way they want to. Let em, then when you roll across them, show 'em up...

Well I see the same thing happen with F-bodys vs. O3-04 Cobras.. So whats the big problem..If a 470rwhp cobra loses to a 400rwhp SS it is because the Cobra was not driven properly, it's really that simple.

If a 470rwhp cobra loses to a 400rwhp SS it is because the Cobra was not driven properly, it's really that simple. There is always more to the story then just rwhp.. One of these days you might figure that out.. Who ever has the most rwhp doesn't always win the race..

There is always more to the story then just rwhp.. One of these days you might figure that out.. Who ever has the most rwhp doesn't always win the race..Ok dude, your right, your car is just as fast as a 400HP F-Body on the freeway

Ok dude, your right, your car is just as fast as a 400HP F-Body on the freeway
I know that, I think my self and TX SS proved that.. :devil:

I know that, I think my self and TX SS proved that.. :devil:yep, you sure did, good job bro

DAN; your buddy pmed me and he wants to run.. you wanna join us??

ps i got something for your mach1...

DAN; your buddy pmed me and he wants to run.. you wanna join us??

ps i got something for your mach1...Sure why not.. Let me know when..

be sure and post the results

be sure and post the results
No we wont because all this b.s. will start again.. :devil:

No we wont because all this b.s. will start again.. :devil:better yet, get it on video

No we wont because all this b.s. will start again.. :devil:

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