Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

What is SCR and DCR?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-01-2006, 07:04 PM
  #1  
hashtagBMW
Thread Starter
iTrader: (38)
 
Speed Density's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 6,572
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default What is SCR and DCR?

I keep hearing people talk about these two terms when it comes to engine talk.

What are they?

Tony.
Old 06-01-2006, 07:06 PM
  #2  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (12)
 
1bdbrd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,930
Received 46 Likes on 31 Posts

Default

i would like to know as well. i have a vague idea but an indepth explanation would be great. also how to figure them would be great as well.
Old 06-01-2006, 07:13 PM
  #3  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (11)
 
Jake the SSnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Iowa
Posts: 529
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Google/

Kennedy's Dynotune



brings you



Dynamic Compression Ratio Explained



In our attempt to help our customers understand performance and what makes an engine produce power we are going to explain the concept of dynamic compression ratio (DCR). While seemingly esoteric, this is an essential concept in designing an engine for performance use.



The first thing to understand is that "compression ratio" (CR) as it is usually talked about is best termed "static compression ratio". This is a simple concept and represents the ratio of the swept volume of the cylinder (displacement) to the volume above the piston at top dead center (TDC). For example, if a hypothetical cylinder had a displacement of 500cc and a 50cc combustion chamber (plus volume over the piston crown to the head) the CR would be 500/50, or 10:1. If we were to mill the head so that the volume above the piston crown was decreased to 40cc, the CR would now be 500/40, or 12.5:1. Conversely, if we hogged the chamber out to 60cc, the CR would now be 500/60, or 8.33:1.



Everyone knows that high performance engines typically have higher compression ratios. Simply put, higher compression makes more hp. Higher CR also improves fuel efficiency and throttle response. So why not bump up the CR even further? Once CR exceeds a certain point, detonation will occur. Detonation kills power and it kills engine. The amount of compression a given engine can handle is determined by many factors. These include combustion chamber design, head material, use of combustion chamber coatings, etc. Once these mechanical aspects of the engine have been fixed, the main variable is fuel octane. Higher octane = more resistance to detonation and the ability to tolerate more compression.



The above brings up the question that is often on the mind of performance enthusiasts and engine builders: how high should my CR be? Even if you know all about your engine and have decided what fuel you are going to use, the question cannot be answered as phrased. Why? Because without reference to the camshaft specs, talking about (static) CR is next to meaningless!



How is this so? Well, think about the Otto cycle and how a four stroke engine works. The power stroke has been completed and the piston is heading up in the bore. The intake valve is closed and the exhaust valve is open. As the piston rises it is helping to push the spent combustion gasses out the exhaust port. The piston reaches TDC and starts back down. The exhaust valve closes and the intake valve opens. Fresh fuel and air are drawn into the cylinder. The piston reaches bottom dead enter (BDC) and starts back up. This is the critical point as far as understanding DCR. At BDC. the intake valve is still open. Consequently, even though the piston is rising up the bore, there is no compression actually occurring because of the open intake valve. Compression does not begin until the intake valve closes (IVC). Once IVC is reached, the air fuel mixture starts to compress. The ratio of the cylinder volume at IVC over the volume above the piston at TDC represents the dynamic compression ratio. The DCR is what the air fuel mixture actually "sees" and is what "counts", not the static CR. Because DCR is dependent upon IVC, cam specs have as much effect on DCR as does the mechanical specifications of the motor.



DCR is much lower than static CR. Most performance street and street/track motors have DCR in the range of 8-8.5:1. With typical cams, this translates into static CR in the 10.0-12.0:1 range. Higher than this, there may be detonation problems with pump gas. Engines with "small" cams will need a lower static CR to avoid detonation. Engines with "big" cams have a later IVC point and can tolerate a higher static CR. When race fuel is used, much higher DCR (and static CR) may be used because of the detonation resistance of the fuel. Of course, race motors also have much larger camshafts which is another reason they can get away with such high static CR, often in the 13-15:1 range.
Old 06-01-2006, 07:18 PM
  #4  
10 Second Club
 
Gary Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Berkeley, California
Posts: 1,471
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Here is another detailed explaination: Static and Dynamic Compression Ratio
Old 06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
  #5  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (15)
 
bigredexpress99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 932
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

sweet. my instructor @ school tought me the exact same thing, and al my buddies think I'm blowing wind up their skirts. Now I got proof. HAH.
Old 06-02-2006, 04:03 PM
  #6  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
MSURacing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

SO if you don't want to read all of that, just know this. Static is what you measure with tools, Dynamic is the displacement left when the intake valve closes assuming 100%VE. Effective is dynamic with the VE taken into account.
Old 06-02-2006, 07:32 PM
  #7  
TECH Regular
 
MadBill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 430
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

[QUOTE=Jake the SSnake]Google/

Kennedy's Dynotune
...For example, if a hypothetical cylinder had a displacement of 500cc and a 50cc combustion chamber (plus volume over the piston crown to the head) the CR would be 500/50, or 10:1.

Err, WRONGO, Kennedy! A 500 cc cylinder with a 50 cc head would be (500 + 50)/50 = 11.0:1 CR.
Old 06-02-2006, 10:04 PM
  #8  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (15)
 
bigredexpress99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 932
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

ooops...................




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:20 AM.