View Full Version : How fast is a new Viper coupe from a roll?


Pro Stock John
06-16-2006, 02:04 PM
I didn't have a chance to run this guy since I was turning off, but i saw a new Viper coupe on RT53 N by Speed Inc. I'm guessing high 11's at 122mph or something?

I was in the Z06 btw. The Formy is under the knife getting an 88mm turbo.

V-seriesTech
06-16-2006, 02:21 PM
I didn't have a chance to run this guy since I was turning off, but i saw a new Viper coupe on RT53 N by Speed Inc. I'm guessing high 11's at 122mph or something?

I was in the Z06 btw. The Formy is under the knife getting an 88mm turbo.



It would edge out a stock Z pretty easily. But...do some well thought out bolt-ons, and you gotta race.

Now,..if the viper driver is a slacker....you already have a chance.

V6Owner
06-16-2006, 02:50 PM
The car or the driver?? there's a big difference with those cars.. the Car is VERY FAST from a roll but the person behind the wheel may be the slow one..lol

CTSVSL65AMG
06-16-2006, 02:55 PM
Gen III or a GEN II (GTS), either one should should walk a Z06.

slick1851
06-16-2006, 02:57 PM
They make alot of TQ to keep pulling them up top and have the HP to back them up, so there really not a easy car to pull away from in high speeds.

c5_ls1_6spd
06-16-2006, 03:16 PM
a 450rwhp H/C C5 can pull away from them pretty easily at least over 1-1/2 car after 110-120mph.
same as with the new c6z06, it'll pull a new viper easily too

300bhp/ton
06-16-2006, 03:21 PM
IBTL ;) :lol:

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454088 :jest:

CTSVSL65AMG
06-16-2006, 03:30 PM
a 450rwhp H/C C5 can pull away from them pretty easily at least over 1-1/2 car after 110-120mph.
same as with the new c6z06, it'll pull a new viper easily too

Oh here we go again.... Apples to Apples buddy.

Sure add 70 whp to it, then it can...Sheesh. PS. A new Z06 will not walk a New Viper, and it will walk a GTS, but not by much. The GTS is a High 11 car...stock.

Hell, my hennessey will hang with a C6 ZO6, but its modded so that doesn't count.

BriancWS6
06-16-2006, 05:42 PM
Oh here we go again.... Apples to Apples buddy.

Sure add 70 whp to it, then it can...Sheesh. PS. A new Z06 will not walk a New Viper, and it will walk a GTS, but not by much. The GTS is a High 11 car...stock.

Hell, my hennessey will hang with a C6 ZO6, but its modded so that doesn't count.
Sorry bud but you have your facts wrong. The C6 ZO6 WILL walk a new Viper. A C5 ZO6? No. The new ZO6 is a beast, it has plenty of hp/tq, and it has a weight advantage as well. Equal drivers and that Vipers going down.

CTSVSL65AMG
06-16-2006, 06:19 PM
Sorry bud but you have your facts wrong. The C6 ZO6 WILL walk a new Viper. A C5 ZO6? No. The new ZO6 is a beast, it has plenty of hp/tq, and it has a weight advantage as well. Equal drivers and that Vipers going down.

No, I don't. I shopped the C6 Z06 and new viper's very hard for 2 months before choosing the Hennessey.

They are mirror images in 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. They are both beasts.

So the Viper doesnt have plenty of HP and Torque??? It has more torque! The same HP.

It weighs 180# more, big deal. Niether car will walk the other.

I have my facts wrong??? You stated NO FACTS at all.

C.W.A
06-16-2006, 06:29 PM
same driver stock for stock the C6 ZO6 is faster than a new viper! they are close in a straight line but the ZO6 will pull a viper easy on a road course! they are both bad ass vehicles and I would happily drive either one,but I'll smoke both of em so I'll keep what I got!

CTSVSL65AMG
06-16-2006, 06:38 PM
same driver stock for stock the C6 ZO6 is faster than a new viper! they are close in a straight line but the ZO6 will pull a viper easy on a road course! they are both bad ass vehicles and I would happily drive either one,but I'll smoke both of em so I'll keep what I got!


Read to subject..... FROM A ROLL...its post like this that get things off on a tangent.

No one said anything about a road course. PS, has you seen any lap times for the 2 cars (Gen III and C6 Z06) on the same track? Didn't think so.

Plus, he was comparing it against a C5 Z06.

Lswonder
06-16-2006, 07:46 PM
Im sry but the viper doesnt stand a chance against a new z06 with equal drivers

slow trans am
06-16-2006, 07:53 PM
c6 z06 will out mph a new viper in the quarter mile. i give the slight edge to the c6 z06. now a c5 like in question would get walked by a new viper.

CTSVSL65AMG
06-16-2006, 07:53 PM
Im sry but the viper doesnt stand a chance against a new z06 with equal drivers


Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.

slick1851
06-16-2006, 08:28 PM
Who lapped Nurburg ring faster.....

300bhp/ton
06-16-2006, 08:50 PM
Who lapped Nurburg ring faster.....
Yes a Corvette on an empty dry track with a Professional race driver or a Viper when the track was open to the public and bussy ;)

Blackss99
06-16-2006, 08:53 PM
Who lapped Nurburg ring faster.....
I believe the zo6 is the runner up for the record @ nurburging the record holder is the 400,000 dollar porsche. Both the viper the the vette are sweet rides.

99FRCTorchRed
06-16-2006, 10:00 PM
Ran a new viper that still had paper plates pulled him by 2 cars from a roll of 80 mph to 130. The gears they have suck. :drive:

Pro Stock John
06-16-2006, 10:02 PM
It was a new Viper Coupe... the latest body style. I figured he would have had the edge but I was turning off.

I'll have some boltons soon, so I look forward to trying one.

99FRCTorchRed
06-16-2006, 10:05 PM
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.
Check out Spd kilz . com you will see C6 ZO6 spanking the new viper :devil:

chaman
06-16-2006, 10:13 PM
All the people saying the Z06 will WALK a Viper are truly sounding like a bunch of ignorants.....have any of you ever driven and COMPARE both....my guess is, fuck no!! You are basing your wise arguments based on those "precise" articles in Road and Trash and Tar and Driver!! Truth is they both are closer than you might expect. In fact after driving both the brute force of the Viper leaves you begging for more. The Z06is truly a beast, but way more refined.

streetassasin
06-17-2006, 12:16 AM
Performance
2006Corvette ZO6 / 2006 Viper SRT-10Coupe
Top Speed198 mph / 190 mph
0 - mile 12 seconds / 12.2 seconds
0 - 60 mph 3.6 seconds / 3.9 seconds
0 - 100 mph 8.3 seconds / 9.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available / Not Available
EPA City/Hwy 21 mpg / 15 mpg

Configuration Cast Aluminum LS7 V8 / All Aluminum, 90 Degree V10
Valvetrain OHV, 2 Valves w/Cyl Pushrod Activated OHV, / 2 Valves per Cyl
Displacement 7011 cc / 427.8 cu in 8275 cc / 505.0 cu in
Bore 4.13 in / 4.03 in
Power 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm / 500.1 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Stroke 4.0 in / 3.96 in
Torque 475 ft lbs @ 4800 rpm / 525.0 ft lbs @ 4200 rpm
Compression Ratio 11.0:1/ 9.6:1
Bhp / Litre 71.33 bhp per litre / 60.44 bhp per litre
Max Engine Speed 7000 / 6000

chaman
06-17-2006, 12:46 AM
Mind telling where you got those numbers...?? Thats some HUGE difference right?? You have just proved how close they are....where those numbers taken under the same circumstances and same variables?? same driver? Oh and please check your shit because the Z06 has 505hp not 500.....some streetassasin you are.... :eyes: :jest: :jest: :jest:

Street Lethal
06-17-2006, 08:07 AM
...its post like this that get things off on a tangent. PS, has you seen any lap times for the 2 cars (Gen III and C6 Z06) on the same track? Didn't think so.

Can see why this is a touchy subject for you. In my opinion, from a roll, the C6-ZO6 would not simply "walk" a new Viper. That would be a rather awesome race to watch though, to be honest. Definitely a driver's race...

NVR KNO
06-17-2006, 09:07 AM
alright, lets settle this. who has a c6 zo6? i have a 06 viper in the showroom at my work. we will just find a long, long road and finish this. :devil: hopefully my owner will let me take it out. :eyes:

allngn_c5
06-17-2006, 09:10 AM
After reading all the comments on here, I don't know if I want to even post. I am sure I will hear all kinds of BS but here goes. From 80 mph a newer Viper and I ran hard all the way to 170. On honk 3 (IMO) he jumped a bit early, he hit it and then I heard his 3rd honk, oh well. Viper has a car on me. At 105 we are only 1/2 a car, at 125 even, 150 getting ready to slam into 5th I have him by a car. At about 170 where I think he let off I was 2 1/2 maybe 3 car lengths ahead. No big pull but I was ahead. Same scenario with the new C6 ZO6 but I was only 1 car length ahead so draw your conclusions. I would've like to have seen what would've happened in both cases had we went to 190. There was room and plenty of it for more acceleration and deceleration. I think its a toss up if you ask me. Any doubts, just check my SIG and you'll see she can do it. I setup my car with my next engine in mind, ProCharged 408 shooting for big Power. When that motor goes in neither car will ever get that close. Ok let the hating begin.

DocT
06-17-2006, 11:13 AM
Definitely something that a 100 shot wouldn't cure! But they'll take you pretty handily if you're still bone stock. Viper's are torque machines!

On the other note as far as vipers vs the new Z06, .......New Z06 all the way, but, it could also be a drivers race as well. The viper wins all day long with a much better driver. Drivers equal...C6Z 24/7. Just my $02. To be fair though, I definitely love, (and would own if possible) either of them...or both :drool:

300bhp/ton
06-17-2006, 05:56 PM
I believe the zo6 is the runner up for the record @ nurburging the record holder is the 400,000 dollar porsche. Both the viper the the vette are sweet rides.
There are several cars (production) that are faster than both. Mostly specialist German and British machines with as much turbocharged HP as possible in a car weighing in the 1500lb region.

It's been a long standing battle and often centre place in many motoring magazines.

I think the Radical SR3 is currently the holder although the SR8 is substantailly faster.

turbols1_05
06-17-2006, 09:30 PM
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.
FU#* numbers I've seen plenty of c6z06 vettes pull the new viper. The viper is a very beautiful an fast car, but beating a new vette you must have been :smokin2: somethin

pdd
06-17-2006, 09:31 PM
No, I don't. I shopped the C6 Z06 and new viper's very hard for 2 months before choosing the Hennessey.

They are mirror images in 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. They are both beasts.

So the Viper doesnt have plenty of HP and Torque??? It has more torque! The same HP.

It weighs 180# more, big deal. Niether car will walk the other.

I have my facts wrong??? You stated NO FACTS at all.


go back to the viper forum. the new z06 ran 11.5@127 at car&driver and motortrend. viper ran 12.1@121- yes i say the viper got walked, need more facts

unit213
06-17-2006, 09:45 PM
I too believe a C6Z will stomp a new Viper. I've never driven either of them. I'm
basing my opinions on the ET/mph they've laid down at the local track.

Pro Stock John
06-17-2006, 10:43 PM
I think a new C6Z06 will put a few cars on a new Viper just based on the ET's and MPH's I have heard for both, a mix of real life and magazine tests.

Fadi
06-17-2006, 10:46 PM
No, I don't. I shopped the C6 Z06 and new viper's very hard for 2 months before choosing the Hennessey.

They are mirror images in 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. They are both beasts.

So the Viper doesnt have plenty of HP and Torque??? It has more torque! The same HP.

It weighs 180# more, big deal. Niether car will walk the other.

I have my facts wrong??? You stated NO FACTS at all.

A stock C6 Z06 would walk a SRT-10. I had both, and I raced both.

A C6 Z06 from a 50-150 punch would put 4-5 cars on the SRT-10. I consider that an ass whoopin.

2.73 Vette
06-18-2006, 02:28 AM
Well I have to disagree on this one......

The fastest 1/4 mile I have read of from a main stream magazine for the c6Z06 was a...

11.5 at 127.0 mph

The fastest time I have read of for the SRT 10 in a main stream magazine was a....

11.7 at 123.8 mph....

Today while looking in road in track I saw that they got a 12.2 at 120 mph for the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 119 mph for the SRT 10....

They are both capable of running high 11's at 120 PLUS mph....

But on average at the drag strip the C6Z06 will be 2 tenths faster through the trapps and 2-3 mph higher than the SRT-10....

In my mind the average well driven SRT 10 will pull a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to the C6Z06's average of 11.9 at 123 mph....

Thats not an ASS whoopin but the C6 Z06 is faster.....

BUT WHY IS IT FASTER??????????????????????????????????

The C6Z06 weighs around 3170 pounds while the Viper weighs around 3350 pounds...

Your talking a roughly 180 pound differance in weight so thats not gonna make a huge differance from a dead stop....

They both average around 435 rwhp on the dyno....The SRT 10 averages around 460 rwt on the dyno while the C6Z06 is around 420 rwt on average....

So the higher rwt of the SRT 10 makes up for the 180 pound weight advantage of the C6Z06 off the line..

SO THEN WHY DOSE THE C6z06 STILL ( ON AVERAGE) TEND TO BE 2 TENTHS FASTER AND TRAPP THREE MPH HIGHER IN THE 1/4 MILE????????????

That is simple..... The Viper has 3.07 gears and the C6z06 has 3.42 gears...

Change the rear end in the Viper to 3.42's vrs it's stock 3.07's and I guarantee the car will be two tenths faster and trapp 3 mph higher.....

But this whole topic was about a roll race....

From a 70 mph roll the Viper will stay within 1-2 cars with a C6Z06 all the way to 190 mph...It is not an easy race for the C6Z06...

The 3.07 rear end hurts the Viper from a dig but not from a roll....

Some of you are saying that the C6Z06 will hit 198 mph vrs the Vipers 191 mph..

DONT BELEAVE GM FOR A SPLIT SECOND...

Every magazine says that they topped out the C6Z06 at 191-192 mph...

Every magazine says that they topped out the SRT 10 Viper at 189-191 mph....

These two cars are so close in roll race performance that it's rediculous.....


Just look at the numbers for your self....


C6Z06 vrs SRT 10
3.42 vrs 3.07 gears
31xx vrs 33xx pounds
3.5 vrs 3.8 0-60 ( fastest from a mag test)
11.5 vrs 11.7 1/4 mile ET ( fastest from a mag test)
127.0 vrs 123.8 mph ( fastest from a mag test)
435 vrs 435 rwhp ( on average)
420 vrs 460 rwt ( on average)
.34 vrs .39 drag ( both in the 30's and VERY respectable)


As you can see the C6Z06 simply beats the Viper to 60 mph due to it's better gearing and 180 pounds less weight...

But after the initial burst of gearing and lightness the Viper stays two cars behind all the way to top speed...

But if you were to eliminate the dead stop were gearing and weight matter most and have these two cars face off from a 70 mph roll....

It would be kneck and kneck all the way to 190 mph were they would both die out....


One person stated that they had owned both and the C6Z06 is much faster...Consider this...

Sometimes one guy will get lucky and buy a stockViper that has 440 rwhp.....The other guy might be unlucky and buy a stock C6Z06 that has 425 rwhp....

Or some one gets a Viper that is some what weak from the Factory and has 420 rwhp while a C6Z06 owner hits the jack pot and gets 450 rwhp bone stock...

It's not like the LS1 were one guy puts down 295 rwhp bone stock in his mn6 and his buddy puts down 310 rwhp bone stock in a different mn6 LS1 on the same dyno 15 minutes later...

These engines are MUCH MUCH larger...

One guy canput down 420 rwhp in his Viper and his buddy in a different bone stock SRT 10 Viper puts down 450 rwhp 15 minutes later on the same dyno...

Now imagine what a 30 rwhp differance ( in the luck of the draw from the factory scheme ) could mean between these two cars????????????????


To end all this Im planning on purchasing a C6Z06 or a SRT 10 Viper..

I checked out a black C6Z06 last week......Today I drove 45 minutes to check out a silver SRT 10 Viper...

The C6Z06 looked good but not much better than the base C6's to be honest...Especially compared to the convertable C6's that were parked beside it...

The Viper on the other hand simply amazed me....

The large front side vent on the Viper looked much more exotic than the front side vent on the Z06.....

The side exhaust on the Viper made me completely forget about the barely their brake ducts on the Z06...

The front of the Viper looked like an 80 grand car...The front of the C6Z06 looked like a base C6 with a plastic lowering kit glued to the bottom ( though the fender flares did look nice)...

The rear of the Z06 looked basicly just like my 50 grand C5....

The rear of the SRT 10 looked like a fighter jet with the two huge openings....

The four wind deflectors also looked amazing to me.

Then putting the top down and realizing that the Viper was 2 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and trapped 3 mph lower......And also had a top speed 1-2 mph lower than than the C6Z06 opened my eyes...

The srt 10 is a true convertable that can run 11's in the 1/4 mile and hit 190 mph....

After seeing them both theirs no comparison for me. The SRT 10 looks like a true exotic...

The Z06 looks like a AWESOME every day car with exotic killing performance.

Fadi
06-18-2006, 02:33 AM
Well I have to disagree on this one......

The fastest 1/4 mile I have read of from a main stream magazine for the c6Z06 was a...

11.5 at 127.0 mph

The fastest time I have read of for the SRT 10 in a main stream magazine was a....

11.7 at 123.8 mph....

Today while looking in road in track I saw that they got a 12.2 at 120 mph for the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 119 mph for the SRT 10....

They are both capable of running high 11's at 120 PLUS mph....

But on average at the drag strip the C6Z06 will be 2 tenths faster through the trapps and 2-3 mph higher than the SRT-10....

In my mind the average well driven SRT 10 will pull a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to the C6Z06's average of 11.9 at 123 mph....

Thats not an ASS whoopin but the C6 Z06 is faster.....

BUT WHY IS IT FASTER??????????????????????????????????

The C6Z06 weighs around 3170 pounds while the Viper weighs around 3350 pounds...

Your talking a roughly 180 pound differance in weight so thats not gonna make a huge differance from a dead stop....

They both average around 435 rwhp on the dyno....The SRT 10 averages around 460 rwt on the dyno while the C6Z06 is around 420 rwt on average....

So the higher rwt of the SRT 10 makes up for the 180 pound weight advantage of the C6Z06 off the line..

SO THEN WHY DOSE THE C6z06 STILL ( ON AVERAGE) TEND TO BE 2 TENTHS FASTER AND TRAPP THREE MPH HIGHER IN THE 1/4 MILE????????????

That is simple..... The Viper has 3.07 gears and the C6z06 has 3.42 gears...

Change the rear end in the Viper to 3.42's vrs it's stock 3.07's and I guarantee the car will be two tenths faster and trapp 3 mph higher.....

But this whole topic was about a roll race....

From a 70 mph roll the Viper will stay within 1-2 cars with a C6Z06 all the way to 190 mph...It is not an easy race for the C6Z06...

The 3.07 rear end hurts the Viper from a dig but not from a roll....

Some of you are saying that the C6Z06 will hit 198 mph vrs the Vipers 191 mph..

DONT BELEAVE GM FOR A SPLIT SECOND...

Every magazine says that they topped out the C6Z06 at 191-192 mph...

Every magazine says that they topped out the SRT 10 Viper at 189-191 mph....

These two cars are so close in roll race performance that it's rediculous.....


Just look at the numbers for your self....


C6Z06 vrs SRT 10
3.42 vrs 3.07 gears
31xx vrs 33xx pounds
3.5 vrs 3.8 0-60 ( fastest from a mag test)
11.5 vrs 11.7 1/4 mile ET ( fastest from a mag test)
127.0 vrs 123.8 mph ( fastest from a mag test)
435 vrs 435 rwhp ( on average)
420 vrs 460 rwt ( on average)
.34 vrs .39 drag ( both in the 30's and VERY respectable)


As you can see the C6Z06 simply beats the Viper to 60 mph due to it's better gearing and 180 pounds less weight...

But after the initial burst of gearing and lightness the Viper stays two cars behind all the way to top speed...

But if you were to eliminate the dead stop were gearing and weight matter most and have these two cars face off from a 70 mph roll....

It would be kneck and kneck all the way to 190 mph were they would both die out....


One person stated that they had owned both and the C6Z06 is much faster...Consider this...

Sometimes one guy will get lucky and buy a stockViper that has 440 rwhp.....The other guy might be unlucky and buy a stock C6Z06 that has 425 rwhp....

Or some one gets a Viper that is some what weak from the Factory and has 420 rwhp while a C6Z06 owner hits the jack pot and gets 450 rwhp bone stock...

It's not like the LS1 were one guy puts down 295 rwhp bone stock in his mn6 and his buddy puts down 310 rwhp bone stock in a different mn6 LS1 on the same dyno 15 minutes later...

These engines are MUCH MUCH larger...

One guy canput down 420 rwhp in his Viper and his buddy in a different bone stock SRT 10 Viper puts down 450 rwhp 15 minutes later on the same dyno...

Now imagine what a 30 rwhp differance ( in the luck of the draw from the factory scheme ) could mean between these two cars????????????????


To end all this Im planning on purchasing a C6Z06 or a SRT 10 Viper..

I checked out a black C6Z06 last week......Today I drove 45 minutes to check out a silver SRT 10 Viper...

The C6Z06 looked good but not much better than the base C6's to be honest...Especially compared to the convertable C6's that were parked beside it...

The Viper on the other hand simply amazed me....

The large front side vent on the Viper looked much more exotic than the front side vent on the Z06.....

The side exhaust on the Viper made me completely forget about the barely their brake ducts on the Z06...

The front of the Viper looked like an 80 grand car...The front of the C6Z06 looked like a base C6 with a plastic lowering kit glued to the bottom ( though the fender flares did look nice)...

The rear of the Z06 looked basicly just like my 50 grand C5....

The rear of the SRT 10 looked like a fighter jet with the two huge openings....

The four wind deflectors also looked amazing to me.

Then putting the top down and realizing that the Viper was 2 tenths slower in the 1/4 mile and trapped 3 mph lower......And also had a top speed 1-2 mph lower than than the C6Z06 opened my eyes...

The srt 10 is a true convertable that can run 11's in the 1/4 mile and hit 190 mph....

After seeing them both theirs no comparison for me. The SRT 10 looks like a true exotic...

The Z06 looks like a AWESOME every day car with exotic killing performance.

Did I mention I had both, raced both, and the C6 Z is faster??.. :)

LS1Andrew
06-18-2006, 03:33 AM
50 - 170-ish race is a pretty large mph span

1-2 cars = close race with one car having a decent edge, but driver error can make or break the race

4-5+ cars = walked

I don't personally know how the race would turn out, but I'll trust Fadi.
Coming into this thread without any concrete hands on knowledge I would have thought it was closer to 1-2 cars, but he's driven both... and that's good enough for me. :thumb:

SouthFL.02.SS
06-18-2006, 10:35 AM
High 120's will walk low 120's. It's that simple.

unit213
06-18-2006, 11:31 AM
Did I mention I had both, raced both, and the C6 Z is faster??.. :)

Apparently people only like to read things that support their own
claims considering your posts have been overlooked.

Carlos is correct. High 120's will walk low 120's from a roll easily.

2.73 vette

You just don't get it. :nono: Enough with writing novels already ok?
No one wants to read all that shit.

chaman
06-18-2006, 12:23 PM
I think the problem here has been the term "walk" and "ass-whooping"....kind of very subjective!

02ZOh6
06-18-2006, 01:24 PM
A stock C6 Z06 would walk a SRT-10. I had both, and I raced both.

A C6 Z06 from a 50-150 punch would put 4-5 cars on the SRT-10. I consider that an ass whoopin.

This is straight from a guy who has owned and drag raced both cars. Your not going to make an educated guess after a 10 min test drive.

unit213
06-18-2006, 02:52 PM
I think the problem here has been the term "walk" and "ass-whooping"....kind of very subjective!

A high 120mph trapping car will ass-whoop a low 120mph trapping car.
Nothing subjective about that. :lol:

Pro Stock John
06-18-2006, 11:50 PM
Hmm, so heads, headers, programming, airbox, and I can hang with a new Viper.... Gotcha!

2.73 Vette
06-19-2006, 01:43 AM
Well I totaly disagree with you UNIT...

do all c6 Z06's trap high 120's...

Thats total BS....

Only one mag got any were near high 120's and that was a 127...

Kinda strange how that mag got 127 but every other mag got 120-124 mph...

Almost every owner around the country has also trapped 120-124 mph ( with most around 122)

Kinda like the mag that trapped 123.8 in the new Viper when every other mag trapped 118-121 mph....

Almost every owner in the country has trapped 118-122 mph ( with the average around 119 mph)

With good drivers at a good track the C6Z06 will run a 11.8 at 123 mph with the viper running a 12.0 at 120 mph...

These super freaky C6Z06's running 11.5 at 127.0 or freaky Vipers running 11.7 at 123.8 do not represent the norm what so ever....


But 11.8 at 123 for the Z ad 12.0 at 120 mph for the srt 10 are good representations...

This is not a war between a 120 mph trapping viper and a 127 mph trapping vette...

If your gonna quote the fastest time for the C6Z06 from a mag at 11.5 at 127.0 then please do the same for the Viper with it's 11.7 at 123.8...


Or even better use the 11.8 at 123 that the average C6z06 driver can get with good driving and the 12.0 at 120 mph that the average SRT 10 driver can get with good driving...

there is only a 2 tenth andf 3 mph differance between these two cars


Road and track got a 12.2 at 121 mph from the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 120 mph for the Viper....

At their track with their drivers the Viper had the quicker ET....

Motor trend got a 12.0 at 124 mph from a C6Z06 in their april 2006 issue squaring against a porshe 911...

Then in a later issue they tested a Viper coupe to a 12.0 at 121.3 mph...

Im not trying to twist any ones arm....But just stating the truth...

And various mags have gotten 11.7-11.9 From the Viper....

Dont compare the fastest time ever of 11.5 at 127 for the vette against the slowest 12.3 at 118 mph you canfind for the viper..

compare apples to apples

300bhp/ton
06-19-2006, 06:15 AM
2.73 Vette = Line limit of 5 lines, character limit of 150 :jest:

SouthFL.02.SS
06-19-2006, 07:10 AM
Well I totaly disagree with you UNIT...

do all c6 Z06's trap high 120's...

Thats total BS....

Only one mag got any were near high 120's and that was a 127...

Kinda strange how that mag got 127 but every other mag got 120-124 mph...

Almost every owner around the country has also trapped 120-124 mph ( with most around 122)

Kinda like the mag that trapped 123.8 in the new Viper when every other mag trapped 118-121 mph....

Almost every owner in the country has trapped 118-122 mph ( with the average around 119 mph)

With good drivers at a good track the C6Z06 will run a 11.8 at 123 mph with the viper running a 12.0 at 120 mph...

These super freaky C6Z06's running 11.5 at 127.0 or freaky Vipers running 11.7 at 123.8 do not represent the norm what so ever....


But 11.8 at 123 for the Z ad 12.0 at 120 mph for the srt 10 are good representations...

This is not a war between a 120 mph trapping viper and a 127 mph trapping vette...

If your gonna quote the fastest time for the C6Z06 from a mag at 11.5 at 127.0 then please do the same for the Viper with it's 11.7 at 123.8...


Or even better use the 11.8 at 123 that the average C6z06 driver can get with good driving and the 12.0 at 120 mph that the average SRT 10 driver can get with good driving...

there is only a 2 tenth andf 3 mph differance between these two cars


Road and track got a 12.2 at 121 mph from the C6Z06 and a 12.1 at 120 mph for the Viper....

At their track with their drivers the Viper had the quicker ET....

Motor trend got a 12.0 at 124 mph from a C6Z06 in their april 2006 issue squaring against a porshe 911...

Then in a later issue they tested a Viper coupe to a 12.0 at 121.3 mph...

Im not trying to twist any ones arm....But just stating the truth...

And various mags have gotten 11.7-11.9 From the Viper....

Dont compare the fastest time ever of 11.5 at 127 for the vette against the slowest 12.3 at 118 mph you canfind for the viper..

compare apples to apples

Certain guys from this site used to run 11.9 @ 119 mph in stock C5 Z06's on drag radials if I recall. Average C6 Z06 Vette drivers of America and mags must suck @ driving, as street tires should MPH no worse than drag radials. If an LS7 can't click through the traps at mid/high 120's in stock form, then what's all the hype about?

2.73 Vette
06-19-2006, 09:20 AM
No no and no....

The average C5Z05 dynoes 350 rwhp and will run a 12.5 at 115 mph..

Yea you get some strong ones that dyno 360 rwhp and get around 12.3 at 117 mph....

But for every factory freak you have dynoing 360 rwhp and running 12.3 at 117 mph,

you have 10 more dynoing 345 rwhp and running 12.6 at 114 mph


Here on LS1 tech we will have the tendancy to always use are best numbers for each vehicle that is from Chevy....

Only on LS1 tech do we beleave that all LS1 mn6 Fbodys dyno 315 rwhp bone stock and can run 12.9 at 109 the way they came from the factory...

Only on LS1 tech do we beleave that all 2002 C5Z06's dyno 360 rwhp bone stock and can run 11.9 at 119 mph the way they came from the factory....

Only on LS1 tech do we beleave all C6 Z06's dyno 460 rwhp and can run 11.5 at 127 mph the way they came from the factory...


Whats funny is that if you go to a dodge site or 350Z site they will base their judgements on what theve seen at the drag strip....And at their dyno shops.

They will say that F body's run 13.5 at 105 on average and dyno 300 rwhp.

They will say that c5Z06's run 12.5 at 115 mph and dyno 350 rwhp on average.

They will say that C6Z06's run 11.8 at 123 mph and dyno 440 rwhp on average.

But then thy'll say that their beloved SRT8 can run 12.6 at 112 mph...Or their beloved 3350Z can run 13.5 at 104 mph ( based on the fact that one factory freak SRT8 or freaky 350Z has accomplished these feats) so since one has done it they dismiss the fact that almost eveyone else is ATLEASTE 3-5 tenths away from those numbers and that all SRT8's and 350Z's can do it...


We are exactly the same.....We say that stock Fbody's are 12 second cars cas 1 out of a thousand may possibly do it on the day when theirs a negative DA of 2000???????

To me a SRT8 is a low to mid 13 second car...A 350 Z is a extremely high 13 to low 14 second car...

But try asking the owners what they think...

So I still stand by my opinion that a SRT 10 Viper will run dead even with a C6Z06 from a 70 mph roll with equal drivers...

It will lose the 1/4 mile due to 180 pounds and softer out of the hole gearing...0-60 mph is were it looses....

Look at the new 500 HP Shelby as a perfect example....

It has 500 HP compared to a C5Z06's 405 HP.....Yet it has a slower 0-60 time of 4.5 for the shelby verses 4.2 for theC5Z06....

Then the C5Z06 can cross the 1320 at 12.4 and 116 mph......Compared to the 500HP Shelbys 12.7 at 116 mph....

Why is the shelby slower?????? Because it weighs 3900 pounds vrs the C5Z06's 3100 pounds....That 800 pound differance makes it hard for the Shelby to get up and go off the line... But once it dose get to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds it acellerates harder in a shorter distance than the C5Z06 to still trapp at 116 mph.

But make no mistake......If a stock C5Z06 and a stock 500 hp Shelby were to goat it from a 70 mph roll the shelby would beat the C5Z06...

The fact that it's 800 pounds heavier means much much less at 70 mph and the fact that it has a 100 more rwhp means a lot lot more at this roll race speed.


Now put the Shelby against the srt 10 Viper and C6Z06 in the 1/4 mile....

12.7 at 116 mph and 0-60 in 4.5 seconds for the Shelby
11.7 at 123 mph and 0-60 in 3.7 seconds for the Viper
11.5 at 127 mph and 0-60 in 3.5 seconds for the C6Z06

( all the best figures I could find from main stream mags for each car)

Each car has aprox. 500 HP..

But these battles are being one in lost in the first 60 mph at the drag strip...

The C6Z06 weighing in at 31xx pounds and having agressive 1/4 mile gearing jumps out fast to 60 in 3.5 seconds....

The Viper wich has a low weight of 33xx pounds also jumps out nearly as fast but the highway gearing effects it's performance to a 0-60 of 3.7 seconds...

The Shelby is almost handicapped from a stand still due to it's 39xx pounds. Despite having the same power as the two above and having gearing equal to the C6Z06's...The weight is just to much to start in motion resulting in a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds....

So yea it seems like the Shelby would just get creamed in a roll race with the C6Z06 with the Viper being walked as well...

But at 70 mph and ABOVE with the car already in motion the weight dosent mean nearly as much as it did in the launch of the 1/4 mile....Agressive gearing for getting out of the hole also looses some of it's merit..

But arodynamics and actual rwhp and rwt now take over....Especially at over 100 mph ( wich should come up EXTREMELY quicky in any of these cars from a 70 mph punch)

The C6Z06 dose NOT have a .28 drag coefficiency like the base model c6's.

IT HAS .34...WICH IS AROUND THE SAME AS THE .39 FOR THE VIPER ( THE SHELBYS NUMBERS WERE NOT RELEASED BY FORD)..

While looking for these numbers I came across the Motor trend issue of Jun 2006 ( Target Z06)

Here they got a stock C6Z06 to run a 12.0 at 123.5 mph.........Two inches above that they state that they ran a stock SRT 10 Viper to a 12.0 at 121.9 mph...

Both running 12.0....With the C6z06 trapping 1.6 mph higher...Yea thats defiently a high 120 car racing a low 120's car....

That sounds exactly like road and tracks 12.1 at 120 for the Viper and 12.2 at 121 for the C6z06 to me...

But back to the Shelby..viper and C6Z06 all punching it from a 70 mph roll....Yes at those speeds the Shelby will be walked by the Z06 and Viper....

It's arodynamics look to be in the mid 40's to low 50's and even at roll speeds..600-800 pounds cant simply be dismissed...

But the viper has similar arodynamics and a weight differance of only 180 pounds...So the differance is very minimal ( once again the vipers tourque of 525 crank vrs 475 crank makes up for this small drag and weight differance....)

Bringing these cars to equal in a roll race ( but not the 1/4 mile were the Z06 IS FASTER)

SouthFL.02.SS
06-19-2006, 09:50 AM
^
Yes, yes and yes.
11.9 @ 119 on drag radials, stock. We all know who it was. ;)

We here at ls1tech can drive our cars. ;)

Heck, when I used to suck at driving, I used to trap 118mph on a cam only (at the time), daily driven, stock suspension-ed boat of an Fbod that you see in my sig. No skinnies, no weight reduction- and I still used to get crap for being a crap driver around these parts. :jest:

SouthFL.02.SS
06-19-2006, 09:58 AM
Only on LS1 tech do we beleave that all LS1 mn6 Fbodys dyno 315 rwhp bone stock and can run 12.9 at 109 the way they came from the factory...

Only on ls1tech does a newb ls1 fbod driver [me, a few years ago] run a 13.9 in his new 2002 SS first time out (same as your average magazine time) and work his way down to a 13.1 on the same setup after reading how to do so from this here site's drag racing forum. ;)

CTSVSL65AMG
06-19-2006, 10:46 AM
This is all pointless, the cars are very close in performance, no one is going to spank the other. And for the guy that keeps saying I owned both and raced both....big deal. I used to race an s2000 and it was faster than aorund the track than my viper and faster in straight line than my LS6 thats putting 400 to the ground, whats your point? I drove both extensivly and they are both freaking awsome, the extra torque in the viper probably make it feel faster than it was, but we are splitting hairs...

I STILL THINK ITS FUNNY THAT EVERYONE IS COMPARING THE C6 Z, WHEN THE ORIGINAL POST WAS ABOUT A C5 Z!

I think this is a good summarry...

Gen II GTS Vs. C5 Z....edge to Viper.
Gen III Coupe Vs. C6 Z...edge to Vette.

02ZOh6
06-19-2006, 10:51 AM
2.73, there's no sense in regurgitating magazine times. Even though most of them point to the Z as being the faster car. We've all seen vids of these cars going at it on the street and the Z definately looks to be the quicker car. Fadi, WHO OWNED AND RACED BOTH CARS in case you may have missed his post has confirmed this. Get over it, the Z is lighter, makes the same power and the Viper's gearing sucks.

02ZOh6
06-19-2006, 11:04 AM
And for the guy that keeps saying I owned both and raced both....big deal. I used to race an s2000 and it was faster than aorund the track than my viper and faster in straight line than my LS6 thats putting 400 to the ground, whats your point?

No, your post is pointless. How can you dismiss someone who has owned and run both cars and gives you legitimate feedback? IMO his posts carry much more weight. You, my friend are the one with blinders on.
How does you road racing an S2000 (Which I guarantee is not stock if it's faster than your CTS in a straight line) have anything to do with this thread? :confused:

CTSVSL65AMG
06-19-2006, 11:26 AM
No, your post is pointless. How can you dismiss someone who has owned and run both cars and gives you legitimate feedback? IMO his posts carry much more weight. You, my friend are the one with blinders on.
How does you road racing an S2000 (Which I guarantee is not stock if it's faster than your CTS in a straight line) have anything to do with this thread? :confused:



Were his cars modded? Which one? How much? Did he race them at the same time? Was a he a better racer in the vipe rot vette, where did he race. Is he biased........

My point was too many variables. Anywho, like I said...they are very close, and the was the original point.

CTSVSL65AMG
06-19-2006, 11:30 AM
2.73, there's no sense in regurgitating magazine times. Even though most of them point to the Z as being the faster car. We've all seen vids of these cars going at it on the street and the Z definately looks to be the quicker car. Fadi, WHO OWNED AND RACED BOTH CARS in case you may have missed his post has confirmed this. Get over it, the Z is lighter, makes the same power and the Viper's gearing sucks.

Your right, his comments do carry some weight. I never once said the Viper was faster, I just said it won't get owned by the C6 Z, at that statment stands. Will it loose head to head, probably by a small margin. But that was never the discussion was it?

AOC
06-19-2006, 11:40 AM
The average C5Z05 dynoes 350 rwhp and will run a 12.5 at 115 mph..

Yea you get some strong ones that dyno 360 rwhp and get around 12.3 at 117 mph....

But for every factory freak you have dynoing 360 rwhp and running 12.3 at 117 mph,

you have 10 more dynoing 345 rwhp and running 12.6 at 114 mph



Since your reponse is so precise, I have to ask, how many samplings did you have in order to come to above conclusion? Did you go around the USA and tallied up all the C5Z's dyno and track numbers in order to come up with those numbers?

What scientific method did you employ in order to be that specific. Just wondering.

Fadi
06-19-2006, 11:53 AM
Were his cars modded? Which one? How much? Did he race them at the same time? Was a he a better racer in the vipe rot vette, where did he race. Is he biased........

My point was too many variables. Anywho, like I said...they are very close, and the was the original point.

Like I said, I had both cars and I am giving you non biased opinions. They are close, if the driver in the Viper is a good driver and the driver in the Z06 is an average driver. With two good drivers, the Viper is going to fall back quickly.

Based on the driving expereinces in both cars, I can say that the Viper had better brakes, better seats (more supportive) and a better stereo system. The Z06 has much more comfort, better acceleration, better handling, better mpg, and is just a much better overall car. This is just my opinion after having both cars.

Fadi
06-19-2006, 11:56 AM
Oh, and regards to a C5 Z06 and a Gen II Viper, I can give some accurate feedback here also.

I raced my 340 rwhp Z06 vs. my buddies Gen II RT/10 Viper on a constant basis back when we had the cars. The races ALWAYS had the same exact outcome. Up to 100 it is practically dead even. Past 10 mph (Very end of third gear/right when I shift into 4th) that is when the Viper will walk away from the C5 Z06 everytime.

02ZOh6
06-19-2006, 12:19 PM
Your right, his comments do carry some weight. I never once said the Viper was faster, I just said it won't get owned by the C6 Z, at that statment stands. Will it loose head to head, probably by a small margin. But that was never the discussion was it?

No you didn't say the Viper was faster. You said their 0-60's and 1/4 times were mirror images. I'm not going to try and define what a 'walk' is or what 'owned' entails with respect to these two cars. The bottom line is the C6Z will win decidedly in both contests all variables being equal. I'm sure Dodge will answer quickly now that the Viper has been dethroned by both GM and Ford.

CTSVSL65AMG
06-19-2006, 12:38 PM
No you didn't say the Viper was faster. You said their 0-60's and 1/4 times were mirror images. I'm not going to try and define what a 'walk' is or what 'owned' entails with respect to these two cars. The bottom line is the C6Z will win decidedly in both contests all variables being equal. I'm sure Dodge will answer quickly now that the Viper has been dethroned by both GM and Ford.


I dont think the GT counts...its in a totally different price bracket. And if people think the Shelby GT500 will keep pace with the Viper and Vette....they need to think again.

But yes, dodge will respond...rumors are 605 HP....but we will see....its a good time for muscel cars, got to love it as of late.

TX_SS
06-19-2006, 01:29 PM
i know for fact that they are faster than my CAR.. PERIOD.. i only driven the NEW ViPER... cuz my neight has one; it seems like itz a beast from a dig or roll..... now z06 i never driven one but neighbor said that they felt the same..

slick1851
06-19-2006, 02:19 PM
2.73 vette why dont you post and not be a fucken troll, all I ever see is you in here with your fucken WRITE UPs trying to prove poeple wrong.

Pro Stock John
06-19-2006, 05:50 PM
All the folks comparing a new Viper and new Z06, keep showing an average of a couple of tenths and a couple of mph... so a few car lengths. No contradictory comments whatsoever. Nobody has said the Viper is faster.

Tom's_03SVT
06-19-2006, 06:52 PM
All the folks comparing a new Viper and new Z06, keep showing an average of a couple of tenths and a couple of mph... so a few car lengths. No contradictory comments whatsoever. Nobody has said the Viper is faster.

Go to a SRT-10 forum, they will tell you it's faster....

the C6Z is the holy grail for chevy guys, even if it were slower, they aren't going to admit that unless you have some serious evidence to the contrary. (I know the ZO6 is faster too :) )

thats like the SVT guys saying a Terminator is slower than a Firehawk or SS camaro....Come on bro!

Lswonder
06-19-2006, 09:12 PM
shoot theres guys running Mid 11's at or near 120mph in the qurter mile in bone stock c5 z06's on z06vette.com

The Dragon
06-19-2006, 11:36 PM
. . . thats like the SVT guys saying a Terminator is slower than a Firehawk or . . .

A modified terminator's slower than my Firehawk ;) Sorry . . . had to do it :D

Back on topic . . . I can't BELIEVE anyone is still trying to contradict the facts: a new Viper gets whooped because of GEARING (and aerodynamics) . . . which has been stated umpteenMILLION times :judge:

Pro Stock John
06-20-2006, 10:08 AM
I've read C6 Z06 drag threads all over, and newb drivers have gone 125mph+ over and over. So they are faster.

LC2nLS6
06-20-2006, 04:42 PM
I've read C6 Z06 drag threads all over, and newb drivers have gone 125mph+ over and over. So they are faster.

Ranger went 11.20's @ 127+ mph in a bone stock C6 Z06. What is the best #'s for the new Viper Coupe with no mods?

Funny thing is that both of those cars would give my Turbo Buick a run for its money from a roll, since mine is trapping 126+ mph too.

Tom's_03SVT
06-20-2006, 05:48 PM
A modified terminator's slower than my Firehawk ;) Sorry . . . had to do it :D

Back on topic . . . I can't BELIEVE anyone is still trying to contradict the facts: a new Viper gets whooped because of GEARING (and aerodynamics) . . . which has been stated umpteenMILLION times :judge:

this Terminator would give you a run for your $$$... :) :engarde:

chaman
06-20-2006, 06:35 PM
One thing is for certain...the terminal velocity of a fart OWNS them both....enuff' said!

00454sscamaro
06-22-2006, 09:27 AM
wow ... headache... caint wait to see the numbers on the blue devil corvette though wonder if dodge has something to compete with it... but no one comment on anything about the blue devil that will start the whole thing over again. i rather have the c6z06 +think it would win at any speed vs a viper given all the same variables( im too tall to fit in a viper) damn there small interior. but i'll never afford either. so i am left to TRY and make my camaro as fast as either, still very far from that goal.... i wanna see the new gt500 mustang vs the zl1/ss/idk camaro, besides a virtual race. watched that too many times. and no smack talking both these cars arent even out yet so shaddup...

V-seriesTech
06-22-2006, 10:36 AM
Sorry dude..had to comment on the blue devil for everyone.

The BLUE CAR...The BLUE Z06 THAT WAS SPOTTED...IS NOTHING MORE THEN A BONE STOCK Z06 C6. iT JUST SOO HAPPENED TO BE BLUE.....AND PEOPLE THAT WHERE THERE, SPY SHOOTING THE CAR, HEARD WHISTLEING COMING FROM THE CAR...LEADING THEM TO THINK THE CAR HAD SOME SORT OF A POWER ADDER ON IT. WHICH, THIS CAR, THAT DAY, DIDN'T.....IT IS INFACT, THE PRODUCTION VERSION THAT ANYONE WITH THR RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD GO OUT AND BUY RIGHT NOW.

Not saying GM isn't building a special rocket.....just saying the the "blue devil" ...is all just some stupid photographer's opinion....cause the car he saw that day, was blue, and sounded "turbo charged"

listen to this Z06 on the track....and you can hear it whistle as well....

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524360

00454sscamaro
06-22-2006, 10:58 AM
uhh no.. its in many magazines with no mention of a concept or picture... engines a supercharged 6.2 ls9 there already alot of information on it. transmision specs for it etc. its even soposed to be out before the new camaro and cost around 100k....

wickedwarlock
06-22-2006, 01:05 PM
But yes, dodge will respond...rumors are 605 HP....but we will see....its a good time for muscel cars, got to love it as of late.

I agree, it looks to be Q1 of 2007 or 2008. No release info yet, but rumors are 600-650hp. :devil: I love horsepower wars. :chug: And your right, dodge always responds. I remember this happening when the c5 z06 put out 405hp and dodge responded. It's just a matter of time.

COMNBYU
06-22-2006, 01:46 PM
Some people posting in this thread must have never been to a dragstrip. From my experience one tenth is ABOUT a car length.

Forget the MPH for the moment, going by the above, no matter how you look at it we can all argee the Z is at least 2-3 cars faster than a Viper.


I call 2-3 cars getting walked.

Some people don't.

That's where all this BS arguing is coming from...

Pro Stock John
06-22-2006, 02:06 PM
Exactly. 3 cars is a clear win.

V-seriesTech
06-22-2006, 02:55 PM
uhh no.. its in many magazines with no mention of a concept or picture... engines a supercharged 6.2 ls9 there already alot of information on it. transmision specs for it etc. its even soposed to be out before the new camaro and cost around 100k....



No doubt in my mind they are coming out with a special vette....but trust me,..I promise you that the original "blue devil" was someones miss conecption,..that turned out to be just a rumor.... GM saw that there was actually an interest for a high dollar vette.....and now they are going to bring it out.

The "blue devil"...was a stock Z06 driven by jon(pronounced YON) magnusson(proffesional road racer)....and he was laying down some of the fastest times ever on the RING....so fast that only a couple of other street cars, could come close to. I'm telling you dudes...the original Blue car,...was NOT supercharged/turbocharged..... it was just a fast as fuck bone stock Z06.

This information is from GM directly.

C.W.A
06-22-2006, 09:18 PM
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.


seems like someone does'nt like the fact that a stock C6 ZO6 will walk away from a new viper! I've seen and raced both of these cars, the ZO6 is easily faster and has a better topend!

the first post just said ZO6 he did'nt say C6 or C5! read before you critique other members post.

these are peoples opinions , they don't need your feedback! :bang:

jdustu
06-22-2006, 09:49 PM
the first post just said ZO6 he did'nt say C6 or C5! read before you critique other members post.

these are peoples opinions , they don't need your feedback! :bang:


first post said "i was in the zo6".....now read his sig.....02' zo6.......


so.....where's the kill???

CTSVSL65AMG
06-23-2006, 11:43 AM
seems like someone does'nt like the fact that a stock C6 ZO6 will walk away from a new viper! I've seen and raced both of these cars, the ZO6 is easily faster and has a better topend!

the first post just said ZO6 he did'nt say C6 or C5! read before you critique other members post.

these are peoples opinions , they don't need your feedback! :bang:


First of all, welcome to last week....

Second, read a little further...HE HAS A C5. A drunk chimp with downsyndrom could figure out he was asking about a C5.

Your last sentance makes no sense at all. Ill ask the drunk chimp to interpret it for me, and Ill get back to you.

C.W.A
06-24-2006, 12:24 AM
First of all, welcome to last week....

Second, read a little further...HE HAS A C5. A drunk chimp with downsyndrom could figure out he was asking about a C5.

Your last sentance makes no sense at all. Ill ask the drunk chimp to interpret it for me, and Ill get back to you.



I was reading the first post! not the shit that oozed out of you tiny little brain!

when you get done talking to your girlfriend let me know!

I'm done with you, you may go now! :engarde:

The Dragon
06-25-2006, 09:53 AM
this Terminator would give you a run for your $$$... :) :engarde:

It would be close but I don't think you'd like the outcome if the numbers in your sig are current and accurate.

My car is lighter than yours, more aerodynamic, has more rwhp and comparable torque :D

I'm still down to run anybody for fun . . . whether they have a faster car then me or not ;)

I've got a liiiittle more than what my sig states ;)

CTSVSL65AMG
06-26-2006, 11:16 AM
I was reading the first post! not the shit that oozed out of you tiny little brain!

when you get done talking to your girlfriend let me know!

I'm done with you, you may go now! :engarde:


:gay:

ChocoTaco369
06-26-2006, 11:46 AM
i say....WHO CARES?! i'd be damn happy to own both! although i'd rather take a Z06 since they are known to be substantially more comfortable to drive. it's a driver's race as a slip up easily costs a few tenths. on the street, both will fear each other.

hurley711
06-26-2006, 12:01 PM
2.73 you have to knock this off. I fell asleep 3 times reading your books already

PERFECT Z28
06-26-2006, 04:45 PM
Does anyone have a video of either
viper vs C5 ZO6
or
viper vs C6 ZO6?

Fadi
06-26-2006, 05:03 PM
Does anyone have a video of either
viper vs C5 ZO6
or
viper vs C6 ZO6?

When I had a C5 Z06, I raced a SRT-10. My only mods were cat-back exhaust and a cai. put down 340 rwhp. Below is a video proving that ANYTHING can happen on the street, and that the outcome between 2 cars is driver dependent.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/053423F4-73EF-4E69-B1D2-B60511821E8D.htm

Oh, and don't worry about the guy screaming, haha. He was just really, REALLY excited that I won, LOL

PERFECT Z28
06-26-2006, 05:56 PM
I think the video speaks for itself.

WS-Sick
06-26-2006, 08:12 PM
There is a vid of a C6 Z walking an SRT-10 with exhaust somewhere.

C.W.A
06-27-2006, 07:10 PM
:gay:


I'm not the one from san francisco! :gay: one!

If you go back and read my first post you would see I gave the viper respect!

CTSVSL65AMG
06-27-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm not the one from san francisco! :gay: one!

If you go back and read my first post you would see I gave the viper respect!

Yea, everyone from San Francisco is gay. We all drive pink miatas.

bad95killer
06-27-2006, 08:24 PM
Does anyone have a video of either
viper vs C5 ZO6
or
viper vs C6 ZO6?

Not specificlly what ya ask for but Here's a good vid of Heads&Cam C5 vs. Viper GTS (Gen II) :devil:

http://www.srvidz.com/VIDZ/STREET/vipervette1.wmv

peace

PERFECT Z28
06-28-2006, 11:53 AM
Not specificlly what ya ask for but Here's a good vid of Heads&Cam C5 vs. Viper GTS (Gen II) :devil:

http://www.srvidz.com/VIDZ/STREET/vipervette1.wmv

peace



Link didn't work...but thanks for trying.

burnzilla
06-28-2006, 12:38 PM
I dont care which one is faster, the SRT10 Coupe is just gorgeuos. That car in black with forged wheels is just stunning. :drool:

The new Vette LS7's are amazing too, but i'd rather have the V-10.
From what I hear, you cant S/C the LS7. Maybe they could run a Turbo?
Don't Know.

What I do know, is the V-10 works very well with Aftermarket Twin Turbo setups, and 700-800 HP is very easy, w/o N20.

Both cars are brilliant, but ...I'd go Viper

CTSVSL65AMG
06-28-2006, 12:57 PM
Agreed, the SRT and RT10 have been proven to respond to turbos extremely well, and make big power easy. But they respond to NA mods easy too. It amazing how little was done to mine to make 550 Hp

98Z28MASS
06-28-2006, 01:19 PM
Yea honestly I dont think there is a hell of a lot of difference between the two cars. The C6 Z06 might be a little cheaper but with the markups that dealers are asking for they are going to be within 5K of each other. Performance wise, as everyone has said, they are pretty much identical, with the C6 Z06 being slightly faster, but from a roll I dont think there would be a huge amount of difference. As for the styling boht are gorgeous cars, with the viper I think being a little more rare as far as seeing them on the road. I like the exhaust note though of the C6 Z06 over the viper as the viper sounds more like an exotic with the v-10 over the muscle car sound of the C6 Z06 with the 427 v-8. As for modding the LS7, its already a fairly high compression engine so you would need to lower it somewhat to run a S/C or a Turbo, but if you look at some of the posts by synergy and other sponsors on this board they have made 550+ rwhp with longtubes and cam, which is very impressive, but im sure the viper can be modded similarly to match the output. Pretty much I think its a coin flip between the two cars.

BLWN1
06-30-2006, 04:11 PM
In GM high tech they got a GTS viper to run 11's? and the new viper only runs low 12s with 55 more hp?

CTSVSL65AMG
06-30-2006, 04:46 PM
a new viper does not run low 12's...maybe with Hellen Keller behind the wheel.

2.73 Vette
06-30-2006, 08:48 PM
The new Viper can defiently run low 12's...too be honest ,most mags get 12.0-12.2 at 119-121 mph...

Most owners also seem to be around 12.0-12.2...

but in the right hands the car can run 11.8-12.0 at 121-123 mph...

Just like most owners and magazines have gotten 11.8-12.1 at 121-124 mph..But in the right hands it can run a 11.5 at 127 mph.

The only thing you can really bet money on is that an average guy in a bone stock SRT 10 can run a low low 12....with an average guy in a bone stock Z06 running a high high 11.

hurley_21_07
07-01-2006, 09:21 PM
A car length is not always a tenth. Think about it, a car length between two 17sec cars travelling 75mph will be more time distance than two high eleven second cars travelling well over 120mph.

The car length thing doesn;t always work.

Dan

I <3 80057
07-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Click (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0511_z06_gt_viper/index3.html)

Although I have seen other #'s showing the Viper owning the GT in every category. I would take the Viper over the Z-0h, sorry.

BLWN1
07-01-2006, 10:06 PM
Im sorry , I dont buy magazine #'s. Kinda like car of the year its BS. Whomever pays the most, like anything wins. Ig Brand A pays 3 mil a year and Brand B pays 500,000 do you want to upset Brand A? So who cares. I think we know the Z06 is a little faster for now, but that won't last....

96vortechSS
07-05-2006, 01:01 AM
Spoken like a truly uninformed person with blinders on. Do some research, I did, I drove both, and did a lot of research for 2 months...they are nearly identical in straight ;ine performance. Numbers don't lie.

My history that is... Three weeks ago a buddy of mine also a member on this forum and I took his new h/c c6 to dallas. I was lucky enough to get to drive the car that night. On the way home to Ft Worth a brand new hard top viper picked on us. I kicked his butt 4 time in a row. We raced from 70 to speeds I'm not even sure of because we were going so dang fast I couldn't take my eyes off of the road. I can tell you I hit 5th gear and we didn't back off right as we hit 5th gear. Looking back on it I feel pretty stupid. But hey nothing bad happend and it was a whole lot of fun. That guy might not have been as good of a driver, but so what I guess he shouldn't have picked on someone just because he had a viper. So judging from my own experience I'd have to say that a c6 Zo6 would walk a new viper since I did it in a vette with 30 less rwhp and quite a bit less torque also. The vette I was driving puts down a respectable 421rwhp and 386 rwtq.