bruddah_man_matt
07-16-2006, 03:51 AM
What can I say? As much as I like the tailights and overall design, I can't help but feel that Holden's designs are just a bit too conservative. They're like mid to late 90s BMWs in the sense that they look clean, understated and quite good, but just a little too plain next to jaw dropping show stopping industry movers like the Chrysler 300. I like this cars looks but hope that if and when it comes to the US as the next Impala, GM does something with the design to make it more exciting (BUT NOT UGLY). If however GM plans on uglifying this design like they uglified the Vectra cum Malibu then nevermind. They can leave it as is. Overall the VE is a clean looking car but FFS it looks pretty much like the Holden SSX concept which was a VZ based car. Essentially this car is brand new underpinnings with an only mildly refreshed exterior. As much as I like it's clean looks, the VE seems a bit too similar to the VZ. I just wish Holden would take a chance every now and then.
Mechanically speaking I can't argue aside from the fact that the car will probably be pretty heavy to handle outback roads. Curb weight is likely to be around 2 tons which means that sucking weight out of this thing in order to put a Camaro badge on it and have us believe that it's not just another bloated, overweight Mustang clone like the Challenger will be a hell of a task for GM engineers.
Engine wise it would appear that we've found the source of GMs 3.6L DOHC V6 shortage. The Series II 3800 V6 which was supplanted in the VZ series cars by the 3.6L is nowhere to be seen. The only pushrods that go into the VE will be those found in the Generals Gen IV 6.0L V8s. There will be 3 engine options and 5 different transmissions available. Until HSV begins dropping 400hp LS2s into these things top dog is a 362hp 6.0L V8. Under that are a 260-270hp DOHC 3.6L V6 and a 230-240hp version for "lesser" versions. Yah, if only the US got a full size Chevrolet sedan where the "base" engine was a 240hp DOHC V6.
Transmission choices are a 4L60E 4 speed automatic for the "low output" V6, a 5L40E 5 speed automatic or an Aisin 6 speed manual for the "high output" V6 and a 6L80E 6 speed automatic or a Tremec T56 6 speed manual for the V8. Yah we need these drivetrain choices in the US market Impala, Pontiac Grand Prix and a full size Buick like yesterday.
Anyway, I can't wait until HSV gets its hands on the VE. And I pray GM brings this car to the states as the next Impala almost intact save for maybe a few extra aggressive styling cues. Just don't fuck it up Rick.
Lost more pics than I could post after the jump.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/16/2006-holden-ve-commodore-revealed-in-australia/
2006 Holden Commodore SS V
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_007.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_007.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_006.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_006.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_005.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_005.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_004.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_004.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_003.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_003.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_008.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_008.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_017.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_017.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_016.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_016.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_015.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_015.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_013.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_013.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_020.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_020.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_027.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_027.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_028.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_028.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_030.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_030.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_009.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_009.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_011.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_011.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_010.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_010.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_022.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_022.jpg)
Mechanically speaking I can't argue aside from the fact that the car will probably be pretty heavy to handle outback roads. Curb weight is likely to be around 2 tons which means that sucking weight out of this thing in order to put a Camaro badge on it and have us believe that it's not just another bloated, overweight Mustang clone like the Challenger will be a hell of a task for GM engineers.
Engine wise it would appear that we've found the source of GMs 3.6L DOHC V6 shortage. The Series II 3800 V6 which was supplanted in the VZ series cars by the 3.6L is nowhere to be seen. The only pushrods that go into the VE will be those found in the Generals Gen IV 6.0L V8s. There will be 3 engine options and 5 different transmissions available. Until HSV begins dropping 400hp LS2s into these things top dog is a 362hp 6.0L V8. Under that are a 260-270hp DOHC 3.6L V6 and a 230-240hp version for "lesser" versions. Yah, if only the US got a full size Chevrolet sedan where the "base" engine was a 240hp DOHC V6.
Transmission choices are a 4L60E 4 speed automatic for the "low output" V6, a 5L40E 5 speed automatic or an Aisin 6 speed manual for the "high output" V6 and a 6L80E 6 speed automatic or a Tremec T56 6 speed manual for the V8. Yah we need these drivetrain choices in the US market Impala, Pontiac Grand Prix and a full size Buick like yesterday.
Anyway, I can't wait until HSV gets its hands on the VE. And I pray GM brings this car to the states as the next Impala almost intact save for maybe a few extra aggressive styling cues. Just don't fuck it up Rick.
Lost more pics than I could post after the jump.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/16/2006-holden-ve-commodore-revealed-in-australia/
2006 Holden Commodore SS V
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_007.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_007.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_006.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_006.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_005.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_005.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_004.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_004.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_003.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_003.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_008.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_008.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_017.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_017.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_016.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_016.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_015.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_015.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_013.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_013.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_020.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_020.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_027.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_027.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_028.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_028.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_030.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_030.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_009.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_009.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_011.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_011.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_010.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_010.jpg)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/ve_ss_v_022.jpg (http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/autoblog/videos/HiRezPics/VE_SS_V_022.jpg)