Cadillac CTS-V - How Much HP can I gain from a new Cam?

I currently have a 228/232 duration .588/.595 Valve lift 114 Lobe!
What cam should I go with and how much HP do you think I would gain?
the local shop told me to put in: 238/244 duration .586/.612 Valve lift 114+4 LSA!
What do you guys think about that cam?
I have ported heads already! With the current set up I'm at 427 RWHP

I currently have a 228/232 duration .588/.595 Valve lift 114 Lobe!
What cam should I go with and how much HP do you think I would gain?
the local shop told me to put in: 238/244 duration .586/.612 Valve lift 114+4 LSA!
What do you guys think about that cam?
I have ported heads already! With the current set up I'm at 427 RWHP

All you will do is shift the power curve up. Soggy down low and bigger pull up top. I would venture to say your avg. h.p. will be down with that much cam in a 346. I run a 238/242 in my 408 to give you an idea of cam size. Give me the complete specs of your engine, head flow etc. and I'll run it through my engine program and get you the dyno graph. BTW, I have it dialed in with LSx specs and with complete info, my program is accurate to 2%.

Balls in your court. :cheers:

that cam is similar to a ms3 it seems. For example, we just installed on in my buddies firehawk and he now make 490rwhp+.... with 430rwhtrq. stock cubes, ported ls6 heads, full bolt-ons. fast 90mm.

results will vary though...

What are you looking for with the cam swap? More top end? Mid range? more snap of the line? I wouldn't concern myself with dyno numbers as much as what you want that thing to run like..

funny, my 408 cam is at 246/248 114 and i make just as much as 2c5 with a m6. You gotta see what works for YOUR combo... it may take a bit of work but most importanty, see what you want from the new cam and go from there.

2c5s What do you need on the heads? I will have to call the shop that did the work. All I know is they are stock ported heads. Other than that all internals are stock. Stainless Works Headers, No Cats, Magnaflow exhaust, LPE Cold Air kit, 160 Stat.
I guess I'm looking for more mid range HP. As it stands now it seems like the red line comes real fast.
Thanks for the help!

how choppy would you tolerate your V when idling? There are few different combinations that would yield a sweeter mid range.

DO you have a current graph?

Lately, folks have been using lsk (old school big block ) cam lobes in these ls1's. When match correctly, they have yield'd a strong power boost with less duration when compared to a xe-r lobe. (However, since those weren't truly designed for a roller hydraulic lifter, more for a flat-tappet hydraulic lifter, and with their slow valve closing events, they are more pron to valve float than a snapier xe-r. That is not to say that they are not a good cam selection, however, it should be noted, or at least implied, when dictating valve spring vs. rpm vs. cam events of your cam card)

What i would do is first have mygraph in hand, then search around and see what graphs you might find with the swell in mid range power or which everone fits your style or driving technique. Consider the combo's being used including heads, valves, springs, rockers, intakes, exhuast type, short block materials, drivetrain, etc.

Note, more pwer isn't related to more cam. Sometimes ppl have over camm'd their packages and lost power. Average power is where its at. Some have used a ms3 cam, for example, to get peak power while trading a bit, not much though, in the midrange. However, since most of the time we race is at high rpm, this trade off is practical since the gains on top are generally evil!! Termin8r's car is a good example, cam-only, though recently he went with a set of ported heads and 90mm fast, with a wet-shot, absolutely cleans house with or with out the spray. My buddies firehawk is really nasty, drives slicky smooth with the tune that was applied useing ls1edit, mid0range is strong but when he gets up top, its just nasty on motor. With the direct shot he just added, well, it should be unstoppeable. He runs a magic-stick 237/242 cam. 112 or 114lsa (not sure but i think it a on a 114, installed straight up!)

What kind of application would you yeild this to? meaning, streetracing/drag, road course/autoxn', cliff jumping? :)

how choppy would you tolerate your V when idling? There are few different combinations that would yield a sweeter mid range.

DO you have a current graph?

Lately, folks have been using lsk (old school big block ) cam lobes in these ls1's. When match correctly, they have yield'd a strong power boost with less duration when compared to a xe-r lobe. (However, since those weren't truly designed for a roller hydraulic lifter, more for a flat-tappet hydraulic lifter, and with their slow valve closing events, they are more pron to valve float than a snapier xe-r. That is not to say that they are not a good cam selection, however, it should be noted, or at least implied, when dictating valve spring vs. rpm vs. cam events of your cam card)

What i would do is first have mygraph in hand, then search around and see what graphs you might find with the swell in mid range power or which everone fits your style or driving technique. Consider the combo's being used including heads, valves, springs, rockers, intakes, exhuast type, short block materials, drivetrain, etc.

Note, more pwer isn't related to more cam. Sometimes ppl have over camm'd their packages and lost power. Average power is where its at. Some have used a ms3 cam, for example, to get peak power while trading a bit, not much though, in the midrange. However, since most of the time we race is at high rpm, this trade off is practical since the gains on top are generally evil!! Termin8r's car is a good example, cam-only, though recently he went with a set of ported heads and 90mm fast, with a wet-shot, absolutely cleans house with or with out the spray. My buddies firehawk is really nasty, drives slicky smooth with the tune that was applied useing ls1edit, mid0range is strong but when he gets up top, its just nasty on motor. With the direct shot he just added, well, it should be unstoppeable. He runs a magic-stick 237/242 cam. 112 or 114lsa (not sure but i think it a on a 114, installed straight up!)

What kind of application would you yeild this to? meaning, streetracing/drag, road course/autoxn', cliff jumping? :)

Where in the hell do you get this BULLSHIT from??

why dont you ask that program of yours, im sure it will help you dish out your factual information and experience you rely on Sir Knight of the LS1.

with your age, im sure you would of know where the lsk can from, right?

why dont you ask that program of yours, im sure it will help you dish out your factual information and experience you rely on Sir Knight of the LS1.

with your age, im sure you would of know where the lsk can from, right?



Bro.....you really need to stop. Seriously. Get over yourslf as The Knight in Shining INTERNET armor. Relax. I'm getting tired of this shit.


If it's of any worth to anyone on here or not, i'll be asking for 2c5's opinion for my next motor setup. The guy does a cam swap every other weekend just about. Just a thought. Just spec's.....not speculations.

J

Lately, folks have been using lsk (old school big block ) cam lobes in these ls1's. When match correctly, they have yield'd a strong power boost with less duration when compared to a xe-r lobe. (However, since those weren't truly designed for a roller hydraulic lifter, more for a flat-tappet hydraulic lifter, and with their slow valve closing events, they are more pron to valve float than a snapier xe-r. That is not to say that they are not a good cam selection, however, it should be noted, or at least implied, when dictating valve spring vs. rpm vs. cam events of your cam card)

? :)

O.k., Mr. Experiance. Please tell me which lobe is the XER and whick one is the LSK. Also, please list the similarites to the flat tappet lobe vs. the LSK lobe. To me, they don't look very similar at all, but by the bullshit you typed earlier, you apparently know something I don't, so please school me.

Valve float..... maybe you should install a LSK lobed cam before you try and explain the intricate workings of the design. That way, you actually will have a bit of fact behind your ramblings. With fact and experiance comes credibility, something you're sorely missing and you continue to make obvious.

The computer program I was referring to will show TexasV what happens when you play with cam size. It will show that in fact to increase his mid range, he could go to a smaller cam, not bigger. The loss of power up stairs is minimal, but the gain down low and in the mid range, where he most likely drives 99.9% of time, is dramatically improved. But hey, you already know this stuff don't you. From all your years of experiance and testing different combo's out.




http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6760/flatty5.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flatty5.jpg)


http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7388/rollerph9.th.jpg (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rollerph9.jpg)

Oh, please be direct with your answers. You have never answered a direct question, we'll be waiting.

D: if you noticed when we have raced from a low MPH, my V winds up alot faster than yours but you catch me in 3Rd. A 4000lbs+ caddie with a big cam, will not be as effective as a "small" cam (torque cam). Now that we know you have a big cam, lets call comp and do a cam request for your caddie with your heads. Lets see what they come up with. WE ALL NEED TORQUE....

I have done a fraction of what 2c5s and Obzidian have done to there V's but they only have 10 more pounds of torque than me.... They have great advice but call John from SSP...

Bro.....you really need to stop. Seriously. Get over yourslf as The Knight in Shining INTERNET armor. Relax. I'm getting tired of this shit.


If it's of any worth to anyone on here or not, i'll be asking for 2c5's opinion for my next motor setup. The guy does a cam swap every other weekend just about. Just a thought. Just spec's.....not speculations.

J

if anything, just dont read my words becuz i will not let ppl like you try to hold me back form speaking my mind... You getting tired, i didn't know i was getting to you... "my bad" (is that how its said, 2c5? :) )

I have NEVER taken away wat 2c5 has to offer. If anything, he can remember when i asked for some info on installing a map sensor with my 90mm intake. If his program is anythin of what i know, then it should be good. He's asking for head flow numbers, specific flow.... among other things including his views on package building, I assume that his program is worth its price. Hell, i have a demo version of a comp cam type of software... limited but enough to show its capabilities.

If anything, BRO, you need to start reading and stop trying to make yourself seem like speed racer. You know how to drive, WE GET IT, but throwing your weight around, with the words that you post, is quintessentially, well, the sterotype you seem to deny.

If you want to ask to 2c5, well, im sure we will help you pick out a good combo. Those are not sarcastic words, spoken as truthfully and as humble as i can be, he does know his shit. HOWEVER, i..yo.. have a problem with the way he seems to address everyone around him. I really dont care, its his business and he is old enough to see if he can get sleep at night, well, who am i to judge. However, i hold no grudge towards anyone and my words directed towards him are only in fun, words are just words, brotha... and that is that...

"hey, jaime, your views are baised!!!"

I have done a fraction of what 2c5s and Obzidian have done to there V's but they only have 10 more pounds of torque than me.... They have great advice but call John from SSP...

I would venture to say I have over 20 ft. pounds of TQ at peak from the sliver of a dyno sheet you posted. The meat is what's under the curve.
Obzidians V is stock.

O.k., Mr. Experiance. Please tell me which lobe is the XER and whick one is the LSK. Also, please list the similarites to the flat tappet lobe vs. the LSK lobe. To me, they don't look very similar at all, but by the bullshit you typed earlier, you apparently know something I don't, so please school me.

Valve float..... maybe you should install a LSK lobed cam before you try and explain the intricate workings of the design. That way, you actually will have a bit of fact behind your ramblings. With fact and experiance comes credibility, something you're sorely missing and you continue to make obvious.

The computer program I was referring to will show TexasV what happens when you play with cam size. It will show that in fact to increase his mid range, he could go to a smaller cam, not bigger. The loss of power up stairs is minimal, but the gain down low and in the mid range, where he most likely drives 99.9% of time, is dramatically improved. But hey, you already know this stuff don't you. From all your years of experiance and testing different combo's out.




http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6760/flatty5.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flatty5.jpg)


http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/7388/rollerph9.th.jpg (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rollerph9.jpg)

Well, do you have a larger pic of the second cam?.... i smell a rat!! :) That first one looks out of place here, maybe it would fit better in a different section?

I never said that they HAVE floated valves, just that they are more pron than a xe-r lobes cam to smack a piston with higher rpm's. The LSK lobe has a quicker valve opening and longer valve closing events compared to the snapier xe-r cam.

Also, what is the BASIC difference between of a lsk cam and a xe-r of similar dynamic power levels? In general, the lsk will swell in the mid range and fall off a bit at top versus a xe-r cam that might have a silightly weaker mid range but take off up top. So, theoretically, the lsk lobed cam is design to have a stronger, faster swell of power and not be at so high of an rpm. Well, BBC's makes goobs of power but dont REGULARILY/COMMONILY see the type of RPMS we are throwing at these ls1's to make the powe we want them to make, they do it sooner if the added ci those motors have. The more you push a BBC out of its REGULAR/COMMON designed parameters, the more you might run into problems with valve control.

*disclaimer, please take my comparison as just that, a hypothetical experiment. Not all lsk and xe-r cams act as i have stated, this is just for comparison purposes.

Thus, as you increase rpm, you increase the likeliness that if you dont spec your cam correctly with your head design, valves size, gasket size, CC, if you milled the heads... etc.....that you might smack a valve if the valve isn't under complete control from the cam lobes.

This is based on My understanding on what a lsk lobe is, with rpm, it has less valve control, though not by much, compared to a xe-r lobe. So, if this is true, then a cam that closed lazy and opens earlier, and also have a likelyhood to control a valve less with RPM, will have more of a chance to smack a piston when compared to a cam that snaps quick and open a bit later.

What i find interesting is that sometimes the differences between a lsk lobed cam and a xe-r lobes cam is basically where you want your peaks to be. The difference in HP isnt' much, enough to make me go, "yeah, thats new and improved, i need to get it on that." I know what i want from my V, for example, ya'll can and will make your own educated decisions. I have mine. Whenever is see something new like this, i like to know where it came from, where has it been, so on. There are factors that i do and dont like about those lsk lobes, and for one is that this isn't a new lobe design, its been around for a bit and now being applied to ls1's or have gotten recent exposure. They have good early power making charactertics but have high lift versus duration. all in all, pic your posion. Kind like the cam your are imply in your post, right. Less cam, more swell in the mid-range, typical slight drop off at higer rpms... sounds like a lsk cam to me.

2c5, let me see a larger pic of that second cam and you'll have your answer.

I would venture to say I have over 20 ft. pounds of TQ at peak from the sliver of a dyno sheet you posted. The meat is what's under the curve.
Obzidians V is stock.

right, that through me off a bit, my v is stock... and planing on it until the z28 is done.

Well, do you have a larger pic of the second cam?.... i smell a rat!! :) That first one looks out of place here, maybe it would fit better in a different section?

Click the picture........ here is what you said:

"Lately, folks have been using lsk (old school big block ) cam lobes in these ls1's. When match correctly, they have yield'd a strong power boost with less duration when compared to a xe-r lobe. (However, since those weren't truly designed for a roller hydraulic lifter, more for a flat-tappet hydraulic lifter, and with their slow valve closing events,"

So which one is the LSK and XER lobe. The other picture is a flat tappet lobe........ do they look similar?????????? You said the LSK was designed from a flat tappet.
There is no rat to smell. I don't need to resort to B.S. to expose yours.


I never said that they HAVE floated valves, just that they are more pron than a xe-r lobes cam to smack a piston with higher rpm's. The LSK lobe has a quicker valve opening and longer valve closing events compared to the snapier xe-r cam.

"Lately, folks have been using lsk (old school big block ) cam lobes in these ls1's. When match correctly, they have yield'd a strong power boost with less duration when compared to a xe-r lobe. (However, since those weren't truly designed for a roller hydraulic lifter, more for a flat-tappet hydraulic lifter, and with their slow valve closing events"

So which is it, LSK = faster or slower ramps. You seem to be contradicting yourself...... again.



Also, what is the BASIC difference between of a lsk cam and a xe-r of similar dynamic power levels? In general, the lsk will swell in the mid range and fall off a bit at top versus a xe-r cam that might have a silightly weaker mid range but take off up top. So, theoretically, the lsk lobed cam is design to have a stronger, faster swell of power and not be at so high of an rpm. Well, BBC's makes goobs of power but dont REGULARILY/COMMONILY see the type of RPMS we are throwing at these ls1's to make the powe we want them to make, they do it sooner if the added ci those motors have. The more you push a BBC out of its REGULAR/COMMON designed parameters, the more you might run into problems with valve control.

Pure bullshit here. You have no clue what your talking about. This paragraph once again reinforces that you are as ignorant as the day is long on how cams work, how these particular lobes work, how and what dictates power peaks in any engine AND how and where BBC make power.


*disclaimer, please take my comparison as just that, a hypothetical experiment. Not all lsk and xe-r cams act as i have stated, this is just for comparison purposes.

*disclaimer.... are you fucking stoned??*

Thus, as you increase rpm, you increase the likeliness that if you dont spec your cam correctly with your head design, valves size, gasket size, CC, if you milled the heads... etc.....that you might smack a valve if the valve isn't under complete control from the cam lobes.

That's just brilliant, but are sure it just a function of RPM????Is it just LSK lobes you have to watch out for??? :bang:

This is based on My understanding on what a lsk lobe is, with rpm, it has less valve control, though not by much, compared to a xe-r lobe. So, if this is true, then a cam that closed lazy and opens earlier, and also have a likelyhood to control a valve less with RPM, will have more of a chance to smack a piston when compared to a cam that snaps quick and open a bit later.

Your understanding, is that what you call it?? I call it ignorant bullshit.

What i find interesting is that sometimes the differences between a lsk lobed cam and a xe-r lobes cam is basically where you want your peaks to be.

More ignorant shit.

The difference in HP isnt' much, enough to make me go, "yeah, thats new and improved, i need to get it on that." I know what i want from my V, for example, ya'll can and will make your own educated decisions. I have mine.

You meant to say uneducated guess.

Whenever is see something new like this, i like to know where it came from, where has it been, so on. There are factors that i do and dont like about those lsk lobes, and for one is that this isn't a new lobe design, its been around for a bit and now being applied to ls1's or have gotten recent exposure.

What does that have to do with anything????

They have good early power making charactertics but have high lift versus duration.

That makes no sense at all................... AGAIN!!!


all in all, pic your posion. Kind like the cam your are imply in your post, right. Less cam, more swell in the mid-range, typical slight drop off at higer rpms... sounds like a lsk cam to me.

ROTFLMFAO...Oh does it? Dude, you have no fucking clue at all what you are talking about.

2c5, let me see a larger pic of that second cam and you'll have your answer.

I could FedEx you the cam, but it does not change the fact that you have never seen an LSK lobe, used an LSK lobed cam, and as of a few months ago, never heard of an LSK lobe. BTW, they have been used on LSx's for well over a year and a half. Hardly new. Just new to you.

My reply is in bold letters.


Obozo, stop posting bullshit.

TexasV, if you want my thoughts on a cam, p.m. the info with your email addy and I'll send you a graph comparision and my choice of cam.

I'll be getting the flow numbers today from the shop that did the work. You guys know alot more than I do so thanks for the help. Silverrado does have a smaller cam and beats me off the line. He does not have ported heads, just the cam. like he said once I hit third it's over. So yes I want to get more down low and keep as much as I can of the mid range. I have asked the shop that did the work should I do a 90MM intake/throttle body and they tell me it would be a waste of money. Now like I said I know nothing but should'nt I get a nice gain with the FAST products?
I also have one other thing! I see alot of stoker kits for 383 for less than 1,000. What else is involved? is it really that cheap to do a stoker kit? any reason to do it other than forged rod/pistons?
I'm thinking of taking some classes on engine building! Like I said I know how to change the oil and that is it.

I would venture to say I have over 20 ft. pounds of TQ at peak from the sliver of a dyno sheet you posted. The meat is what's under the curve.
Obzidians V is stock.
I agree, i did not know wise old obzidians V is stock! What is your tq at around 3500rpm....re-post a dyno sheet for me

I agree, i did not know wise old obzidians V is stock! What is your tq at around 3500rpm....re-post a dyno sheet for me


Sorry, scanner ain't scanning..... 3,500 rpm 362 rwt.

I'll be getting the flow numbers today from the shop that did the work. You guys know alot more than I do so thanks for the help. Silverrado does have a smaller cam and beats me off the line. He does not have ported heads, just the cam. like he said once I hit third it's over. So yes I want to get more down low and keep as much as I can of the mid range. I have asked the shop that did the work should I do a 90MM intake/throttle body and they tell me it would be a waste of money. Now like I said I know nothing but should'nt I get a nice gain with the FAST products?
I also have one other thing! I see alot of stoker kits for 383 for less than 1,000. What else is involved? is it really that cheap to do a stoker kit? any reason to do it other than forged rod/pistons?
I'm thinking of taking some classes on engine building! Like I said I know how to change the oil and that is it.

My experiance says a Fast 90 is worth at least 10 rwhp and 10 rwt. Maybe more, but for the 3 times I've put them on, those are the avg. results I've seen. The biggest issue induction wise with these cars is the heat soak and 90' turns into the t-body.

What's included in the stroker kit? What your buying is additional cubic inches. With more cubes comes more power. What you would notice right off the bat is increased TQ down low. That's the grunt you feel at low rpm.

i..yo.. have a problem with the way he seems to address everyone around him. I really dont care, its his business and he is old enough to see if he can get sleep at night"

It's not everyone, just a few chosen members. In short, my tone changes when dealing with crooks (stealthv, matt) and bullshitters (you).

Yes, I remember helping you, knowing your full of shit, but still helping you. Just like when you could'nt figure out how to get the knock sensor plugs off your f-body. That is basic crap and is known as a "tell". It "tells" me you have no clue what your doing. What you fail to realize is that all of your grandstanding and hypothesizing appears like you're looking for some strange internet illusion of importance and acceptance. The sad part is, someone that does not know any better is going to take your half assed advice and waste his money or hurt his engine. That's the travesty. Why, because you know just enough "buzz" words to be dangerous. Check your falsely inflated ego.

You age, which you so eagerly like to throw around, is shinning bright and true.

Please dont try to make yourself seem the alimighty and god figure here, you youself jumped on that lsk bandwagon as soon as it was reviewd here on ls1tech just as you did with the ape hate wagon. You had nothing to do with it though you felt it necesary to start ridicluoing me (shows again your maturity level), which i did have business with them, unlike yourself, for stading nuetral on the subject.

You obviously have nothing better to do, except strap the penis pump and hope for that scab of a dick to even see the light of day with your over hangin gut. I'm out of character to speak like this though, at this point, i really dont care... yuo are thecomic relief of the board, SIR, you have nothing to positive to say about anyone. The best you can dish out is "hmmmmmm" so dont give me or anyone reading this trash of a post that nonsense that you only take things out on ppl that you feel they deserve to be told. Who are you to judge... your are probably the most arogant, self-rightous, and possibly the biggest hater if you didn;t come up with it first.

I certainly dont see you trying to produce a tunning software with the work that stealthV has produced. You didn;t like the way his name sounded, thus, you felt it necesary to judge and slam the guy...

YOU ARE A JOKE!!! How cares if you have installed a fast manifold three THOUSAND TIMES, if you cannot realt to others and show respect as though you want it expresse dto you, you will always be veiwed as just another prick vette owner.

Now, im sure you will just shrug all this off, agree that you are a prick and enjoy it, call me a bullshit artist, show your skills in post quoting and inserting bolded texts of your wise remarks, which clearly show you have nothing esle better to do besides getting taht warranty on that second hand pump of yours... and say "Jr, grow up... blah blah lbah...... i have don blah blah blah blah... and you will never blah blah blah.... then add a hmmmmmm... then find one of my old post, which im sure you went through a few pages of my pold post, so you can turn it around and get a few laughs form the other members here on the board on your side...

your absolutely small and belittled by your making, sir, and its comical.

Please note, that yes, i do smoke alot of dope, i make no sense, and hav nothing to bring to the table and force everyone to do exactly what i say.

Seriously, after you posted that last sharade off my last post about your little test there, which i knew tha tfirst wasn't evena ls1 cam... ding ding ding, thus that sprial gear at the end... and the sharp cam profile common on a flat tappet hydraulic lobe, can you seriously read your own words and say you know what, im good!

Im sure you will sinc this is what keeps your friendless, world entact...

enjoy your existense... know tht i dont care what you have to say and it really doesnt "phase" me, just tired of your god-like attitute towards everyone...

you are ruing this section... not me... now, go look up soe more stuff for you to try to discredit me and them claim that you dont need to SIR...

Im waiting for your reply that will surly rock me back on my heels!!!

2c5s... you obviously know your way around your car, or you play the part on the internet.

If someone says something that you feel is incorrect or unfounded in a thread, why not set the record straight for everyone, rather than calling the person an idiot and trying to tear the person down.

We are all here to LEARN and ask questions and give opinions... How can anyone learn if nobody gives the correct answers?

dude, dont even care brotha... he is a lost cause and i almost feel ashamed of having a person like that involved in this section.

Again, i know im not the most helpful person as i fuel the fire sorta speak but.... anyways, no worries mang, its all apart of learning to deal with different ppl.

to be honest, he is still probably stuck on the fact that he has the ugly color and has to live with it!!

You age, which you so eagerly like to throw around, is shinning bright and true.

Please dont try to make yourself seem the alimighty and god figure here, you youself jumped on that lsk bandwagon as soon as it was reviewd here on ls1tech

Is that right? Or juuuuuust maybe, valve spring tech finally caught up for use with LSx engines with a high lift "radical" lobe without having to cut the spring pockets for bigger springs. Or maybe some port designs arrived that would benefit from valve lift over .600 without stalling.


just as you did with the ape hate wagon. You had nothing to do with it though you felt it necesary to start ridicluoing me (shows again your maturity level), which i did have business with them, unlike yourself, for stading nuetral on the subject.

Since they (APE) FUCKING stole tens of thousands of dollars off the members of numerous boards I'm on, you defended them. You're a winner all right

You obviously have nothing better to do, except strap the penis pump and hope for that scab of a dick to even see the light of day with your over hangin gut.

Is English your second language??


I'm out of character to speak like this though, at this point, i really dont care... yuo are thecomic relief of the board, SIR, you have nothing to positive to say about anyone.

All of your "internet buddies". My active p.m. box says otherwise.

The best you can dish out is "hmmmmmm" so dont give me or anyone reading this trash of a post that nonsense that you only take things out on ppl that you feel they deserve to be told. Who are you to judge... your are probably the most arogant, self-rightous, and possibly the biggest hater if you didn;t come up with it first.

Well, since it appears I know a little bit more than you on the subjects at hand, deal with it.

I certainly dont see you trying to produce a tunning software with the work that stealthV has produced. You didn;t like the way his name sounded, thus, you felt it necesary to judge and slam the guy...

Stealthv PRODUCED tuning software???? LMFAO!!! You're just the kind of customer he needs, dumb as a rock. He tunes with EFI live Einstien! I slammed the guy because on another board, he was flat out decieving and bullshitting people. Funny how after I brought it up people started to actually dyno their cars to check his work. Low and behold, his attitude changed about his tuning abilities. HHmmmmm. How about the 3 Stelthv tunes I have personal knoweledge of. All three horseshit tunes. All three retuned locally and low and behold, rwhp & rwt increased and no more black exhaust smoke. But according to you, I did'nt like the way his name sounded.

YOU ARE A JOKE!!! How cares if you have installed a fast manifold three THOUSAND TIMES, if you cannot realt to others and show respect as though you want it expresse dto you, you will always be veiwed as just another prick vette owner.

I tried that, remember, but you had some opinions based on......... never owning a Fast intake. I think you're a bit jealous over this Corvette thing.


Now, im sure you will just shrug all this off, agree that you are a prick and enjoy it, call me a bullshit artist, show your skills in post quoting and inserting bolded texts of your wise remarks, which clearly show you have nothing esle better to do besides getting taht warranty on that second hand pump of yours...

No, I'm not a prick, but I agree, you are a bullshit artist. I appreciate the fact that you noticed my computer skills, not to shabby huh. Now why is it you seem to know a good bit about these pump's you keep mentioning????

and say "Jr, grow up... blah blah lbah...... i have don blah blah blah blah... and you will never blah blah blah.... then add a hmmmmmm... then find one of my old post, which im sure you went through a few pages of my pold post, so you can turn it around and get a few laughs form the other members here on the board on your side...

Now those laughs, would they be from your "internet buddies" or my "internet buddies"? I don't think this is about people choosing sides. It's about people spewing ignorant bullshit and getting called on it. Something you obviously can't comprehend.

your absolutely small and belittled by your making, sir, and its comical.

I'm glad you're amused, keep looking for that acceptance!!

Please note, that yes, i do smoke alot of dope,

And here I thought you were just retarded.

i make no sense, and hav nothing to bring to the table and force everyone to do exactly what i say.

Now you're getting it.

Seriously, after you posted that last sharade off my last post about your little test there, which i knew tha tfirst wasn't evena ls1 cam... ding ding ding, thus that sprial gear at the end... and the sharp cam profile common on a flat tappet hydraulic lobe, can you seriously read your own words and say you know what, im good!

So you have not been serious in the drivel above? For the third time, because it's clear that comprehension is not your strong suite. Now read this realllly s-l-o-w. You said the LSK lobe was an off shoot of a flat tappet lobe. So I posted a picture of a flat tappet lobe. Then I posted a picture of a LSx cam with an XER and LSK lobe in the same picture. I asked you to pick the LSK lobe, in general, the other point was that the LSK lobe look's nothing like the flat tappet lobe you think it was created from. Get it?

Im sure you will sinc this is what keeps your friendless, world entact...

enjoy your existense... know tht i dont care what you have to say and it really doesnt "phase" me, just tired of your god-like attitute towards everyone...

Actually, it's just you. Feel special?

you are ruing this section... not me... now, go look up soe more stuff for you to try to discredit me and them claim that you dont need to SIR...

Golly, I'm sorry for ruining the section everyone. It's all my fault. Feel better Obozo?

Im waiting for your reply that will surly rock me back on my heels!!!


So are you going to keep true to form and never answer a techincal question given to you. That's another "tell". I gladly answer your questions point by point. You don't because you can't.

Have a nice weekend :newbie:

2c5s... you obviously know your way around your car, or you play the part on the internet.

If someone says something that you feel is incorrect or unfounded in a thread, why not set the record straight for everyone, rather than calling the person an idiot and trying to tear the person down.

We are all here to LEARN and ask questions and give opinions... How can anyone learn if nobody gives the correct answers?


Well, it's been tried numerous times with this guy. The results are the same, more misinformation and bullshit. I was taught that if you just don't know the answer, shut up and listen, you may learn it. Don't try and bullshit your way through when you damn well know other people know better. Or god forbid someone takes your advice based on bullshit.

This thread was about a cam choice. He throws out LSK specific lobes for what reason? To try and look like he know's what he's talking about because he thinks it's the new hot thing. The only problem is, he has no clue. When the thread starter gets the information requested, I will at least give my opinion based on fact, not bullshit. If anyone else gives their opinion, great. If it's laced with pure bullshit, should those that know better just shut up about it? That seems to be the going trend in the U.S. today. Well, not me. If people don't like it, they should put me on their ignore list. That way, they won't see my post's.

I know people have different levels of car knowledge. Some have more, some have less obviously. Does it make any sense to bring up an advanced topic level to a thread that the thread starter admits he know's very little. It's one thing if you know what you're talking about, but the "advnd. topic raiser" has no clue. This happens here time and again. He hands out bullshit advice with no fact behind it. Cams are complicated, let's make it more complicated with stupidity.

You're correct, people come on these boards to learn. But the stupidity level is getting very old. I'm thankful he was'nt around when I was asking simple questions to increase power and learn. The thing is, he has a hard time being corrected. Even when your nice about it, the bullshit stills spews.

BTW, to the post starter, from what you have said about the current shop giving you LSx advice, they don't seem very knowledgeable on these engines. Just my opinion of course. :eek2:

2c5,
I went by the shop yesterday and was told would have to come by next week to get the numbers. Asked about the FAST intake again and was told samething. These are the guys that were going to do the turbos for me once a rear end is available. I think I should maybe hold off on that plan with these guys. I looked around the shop and mostly corvettes and F-bodies. Alot of superchargers but not one turbo car. They did say why don't I just put a 12 bolt rear end in the car! They said out of a F-Body! Do you think I should run? If it was that easy I'm sure it would have been done by now.

2c5,
I went by the shop yesterday and was told would have to come by next week to get the numbers. Asked about the FAST intake again and was told samething. These are the guys that were going to do the turbos for me once a rear end is available. I think I should maybe hold off on that plan with these guys. I looked around the shop and mostly corvettes and F-bodies. Alot of superchargers but not one turbo car. They did say why don't I just put a 12 bolt rear end in the car! They said out of a F-Body! Do you think I should run? If it was that easy I'm sure it would have been done by now.

I would run and not look back. Email me your dyno sheet.

WOW!!!! ladies and gentlemen, there it is....

The Grand Sir of the LSX motor and Engineer of all things in motorports....

Don. 2c5.. give it up!!! He needs a good one, come on, let him hear it...

Yet again, we are humbled by his skills and attention to details. Come on, you gotta give him better than that... he works hard for ya'll....

WOW!!!! ladies and gentlemen, there it is....

The Grand Sir of the LSX motor and Engineer of all things in motorports....

Don. 2c5.. give it up!!! He needs a good one, come on, let him hear it...

Yet again, we are humbled by his skills and attention to details. Come on, you gotta give him better than that... he works hard for ya'll....

Once again, obZidian can't answer a technical question to save his life. Did you pick out that LSK lobe yet. LMFAO!! :zzz: :zzz: :whip:

TXsilverV.. you got mail!!

TXsilverV.. you got mail!!


No no no no, TXsilverV, let me help you.......... LMAO!!!

funny, my 408 cam is at 246/248 114 and i make just as much as 2c5 with a m6.

Q. How come you have never posted a dyno graph?????????????????????????????



A. Cause it's bullshit!!!!

How do I post my Dyno? I have baseline thru what is done now. I also have one with the nitrous which I thought was bad for the 100HP shot I only got 80?

Here you go...

408ci, GM heads, ss3600 stalled, mustang dyno, bad false knock, with a slipping 4l60e.... oh, and unlocked TC. Locked she would pull close to 500rwhp. Same motor did 537rwhp and 49ishtrq. through a m6.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/1879000-1879999/1879784_13_full.jpg

http://victoryracingengines.com/albums/Angel-Garcia/000_0241.sized.jpg (http://victoryracingengines.com/gallery/Angel-Garcia/000_0241?full=1)

How do I post my Dyno? I have baseline thru what is done now. I also have one with the nitrous which I thought was bad for the 100HP shot I only got 80?

there are numerous ways of getting it done. You can post the pic(s) on a free photo service board like photobucket. There are a few to choose from. What i do is that i opened a cardomain at, well, cardomain :) , posted the pics there and just copy them over to here. They need to be broadcasted on the net (available from a linked website and not just a save photo on your computer) in order to have it show up here.

Here you go...

408ci, GM heads, ss3600 stalled, mustang dyno, bad false knock, with a slipping 4l60e.... oh, and unlocked TC. Locked she would pull close to 500rwhp. Same motor did 537rwhp and 49ishtrq. through a m6.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/1879000-1879999/1879784_13_full.jpg

http://victoryracingengines.com/albums/Angel-Garcia/000_0241.sized.jpg (http://victoryracingengines.com/gallery/Angel-Garcia/000_0241?full=1)


Wow, that's stout... What were the conditions of the run, you know.. temp, baro. humidity. When did you make it back up to Michigan to have the car dynoed? The dyno sheet says May. I thought you lived in Florida. DId you install that stroker? I thought you bought the engine from APE?

engine was purchased back in november of 2004. Had it installed in feburary of 2005. Had some valve spring issues (ferrea) and fought that for a while. Abut two or three sets of ferrea springs later (their endurance springs .650+ lift) i tired and trailered the car to michigan on a u-haul trailer in april of this year.

Dont remember the dyno weather factors. Yes, i live in florida, cars up there getting a few finishing touches....

engine was purchased back in november of 2004. Had it installed in feburary of 2005. Had some valve spring issues (ferrea) and fought that for a while. Abut two or three sets of ferrea springs later (their endurance springs .650+ lift) i tired and trailered the car to michigan on a u-haul trailer in april of this year.

Dont remember the dyno weather factors. Yes, i live in florida, cars up there getting a few finishing touches....


Mustang numbers mean shit without the weather info. Manual input means you get any number they want you to have. Surely you know that. Trying to convert it to dynojet numbers is like ricer math. Why is it you answer all the easy questions and can't answer the follow up questions to your LSK ramblings?? Another "tell", again. Thanks for the insightfull information. :zzz: :zzz:

"you keep on knocking but you can't come in" Hehe... his name is Raaalph!!!!

gained 4x on my z06

my friends camaro ss was right @ 40

"you keep on knocking but you can't come in" Hehe... his name is Raaalph!!!!


Translation: Obozo got :owned:

Here's TXsilverV's H/C dyno sheet...

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5844/txvhcua9.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=txvhcua9.jpg)

Well, it's been tried numerous times with this guy. The results are the same, more misinformation and bullshit. I was taught that if you just don't know the answer, shut up and listen, you may learn it. Don't try and bullshit your way through when you damn well know other people know better. Or god forbid someone takes your advice based on bullshit.

This thread was about a cam choice. He throws out LSK specific lobes for what reason? To try and look like he know's what he's talking about because he thinks it's the new hot thing. The only problem is, he has no clue. When the thread starter gets the information requested, I will at least give my opinion based on fact, not bullshit. If anyone else gives their opinion, great. If it's laced with pure bullshit, should those that know better just shut up about it? That seems to be the going trend in the U.S. today. Well, not me. If people don't like it, they should put me on their ignore list. That way, they won't see my post's.

I know people have different levels of car knowledge. Some have more, some have less obviously. Does it make any sense to bring up an advanced topic level to a thread that the thread starter admits he know's very little. It's one thing if you know what you're talking about, but the "advnd. topic raiser" has no clue. This happens here time and again. He hands out bullshit advice with no fact behind it. Cams are complicated, let's make it more complicated with stupidity.

You're correct, people come on these boards to learn. But the stupidity level is getting very old. I'm thankful he was'nt around when I was asking simple questions to increase power and learn. The thing is, he has a hard time being corrected. Even when your nice about it, the bullshit stills spews.

BTW, to the post starter, from what you have said about the current shop giving you LSx advice, they don't seem very knowledgeable on these engines. Just my opinion of course. :eek2:


Best post ever.

Erm lets stop this...

Obz send me a Cam, 2c5s send me a Cam.

Ironically VseriesTech is my extremely capable friend/tech/slut.

He will install both ofcourse free of charge and whoever gets more power gets to kick the other guy in the nuts.

Erm lets stop this...

Obz send me a Cam, 2c5s send me a Cam.

Ironically VseriesTech is my extremely capable friend/tech/slut.

He will install both ofcourse free of charge and whoever gets more power gets to kick the other guy in the nuts.


homo lover.

I did not give you permission to speak. lol. I'd take a recomendation from only one of the two buddy. Nothing more,...nothing less.

See you tomorrow tramp. :devil:

Don't come when i'm about to go to lunch....unless you want a rainbow sticker on your car,....right next to the one you already have on there.

lmao.

Erm lets stop this...

Obz send me a Cam, 2c5s send me a Cam.

Ironically VseriesTech is my extremely capable friend/tech/slut.

He will install both ofcourse free of charge and whoever gets more power gets to kick the other guy in the nuts.

Haha, the funny thing is, I have a few laying around to choose from. The beer is gone and I'm done for the day. Give me a shipping addy.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8836/4001uv4.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4001uv4.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5593/4002ct7.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4002ct7.jpg)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9605/4004ef7.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4004ef7.jpg)

Haha, the funny thing is, I have a few laying around to choose from. The beer is gone and I'm done for the day. Give me a shipping addy.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8836/4001uv4.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4001uv4.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5593/4002ct7.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4002ct7.jpg)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9605/4004ef7.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4004ef7.jpg)



....and how do you like those apples?... :drive:

Haha, the funny thing is, I have a few laying around to choose from. The beer is gone and I'm done for the day. Give me a shipping addy.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8836/4001uv4.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4001uv4.jpg)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5593/4002ct7.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4002ct7.jpg)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9605/4004ef7.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4004ef7.jpg)


Great Jamie, you mind taking shipment :)

Whered the obz guy go?

I have to make sure that the lope is exactly .02240 with duration .59123001 ^-912

As I read that it better women's magazine while taking a poop.

lmao.

funny shit. Thanks alot for the visual. Have a good weekend man.

I was posting on another forum-but came across cam talk here. would love to hear any ones experience with just CAM set up on there CTS-V. Im in the process of puting something together.

Dean NC

Hey guys.... just stumbled onto this thread...

Don't stop now... I have learned shit about cams.. but am enjoying the banter...

Dave

Ok, I know this topic has gone around several times, but now im leaning to the supercharge....I want quick response and the supercharger will give that, plus it seems when I finally figure out which cam and heads to go with it turns out to be less HP then supercharger. so, anyone know who carries one less then $5700, thats the best I've seen. My dealer is going to be pissed when I tell him I changed my mind again..hehe
also, can I use my K&N filter sytem with supercharger or do I have to use there closed filter system. even more important, when they reflash my cumputer it picks up changes I guess from supercharger, but will it pick on the B&B x pipe & filter aftermarkets and correct everything?

HELP!
Dean

the tune should be able to deal with all of your mods, no worries there. I fyou r asking about a maggie, then you should probbly look into getting a custom tune since i have heard their stock tune isn't optimal....

the tune should be able to deal with all of your mods, no worries there. I fyou r asking about a maggie, then you should probbly look into getting a custom tune since i have heard their stock tune isn't optimal....

Erm...

Wheres my cam obz?