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hawk584
08-06-2006, 01:14 PM
one of my air force buddies sent this to me... i coudn't agree more...







This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Times about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all newspapers across America.

On Nov. 12, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise coming service members' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this.

"Ms Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account.

Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40, after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum... I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in our armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN; I leave the choice of service branch up to you.

Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience." As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor. Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it.


You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your opined piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it.


You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.

And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? Rubbish!

A1C Michael Bragg Hill AFB AFNCC


ramz-28
08-06-2006, 02:33 PM
x2 for can't agree more

Z28/2002
08-06-2006, 07:45 PM
:owned:


JUICED96Z
08-06-2006, 10:14 PM
I like MRE's! Everyone allways gives them to me and I chow down :D
I have tried them all and just thrash the coffe and tabasco. I would just junk that stuff and take the meals themselves in my 24hr gear and 72hr gear. I don't like the brownies all that much...
I have been said to have an Iron stomach....

The millitary is way under paid if you ask me.

Z28/2002
08-06-2006, 10:25 PM
I like MRE's! Everyone allways gives them to me and I chow down :D
I have tried them all and just thrash the coffe and tabasco. I would just junk that stuff and take the meals themselves in my 24hr gear and 72hr gear. I don't like the brownies all that much...
I have been said to have an Iron stomach....




:confused:

I think all of those MREs have gone to your head

JUICED96Z
08-06-2006, 10:29 PM
:confused:

I think all of those MREs have gone to your head


Thats what I am thinking......

Splitz
08-07-2006, 06:38 AM
Probably gonna get shot over this.......i made more money in the military....here's how....

I make $15.15/hour as a civilian. It costs the company $1200/month to in my family medically/dental/eyecare and other heath stuff.

Funny enough, they don't pay my food, rent, and utilities. Ya'll REALLY need to read your LES accordinly. Amazing how he left out ALL benefits.

Base Pay When I left the AF in 2004 for an E-5 Was:
Base Pay = $1600
SubStance = $243
Housing Allow - $1200
Total - $3043

ADD IN Medical of $1200 - Actually making clost to $50,000./ year.

Military members ALWAYS bitch about their pay. If you did wantt o make money, you shouldn't have joined the military. Pay charts are available BEFORE ya'll enlisted. There is nothing wrong with military pay in my opinion. I spent 6 years in the USAF and never bitched about it, It fed my family, clothed my family (oh year, FREE clothing as well!), payed my car payment.

Military members seem to over budget themselves. When I was an NCO I had to send to many young enlisted members to the 1st Sgt for money problems because they over budged themselves. If you were never a civilian before, then I can ucerstand. But go civilian to military it's a god send sometimes. You can't get fired, or laid off (well, lately you can get laid off),

Don't flame to bad, just realize that your 1st and 15th deposit into your bank account is NOT the bottom line. Bascially you BASE PAY is NOT for bills, strange enough, it's supposed to be for fun, especially with your rent already paid by me (the average tax payer)! More to life then money ya'll!

Splitz

tonyrssll
08-07-2006, 09:06 AM
Splitz, I was also in the Air Force and realize that the government paid my room and board. You might want to notice that the individual that wrote the paper is an A1C. When I was at that pay grade it was hard for me to make ends meet. I lived in the dorms and didn’t have to pay rent, but you can’t expect someone living in the dorms to always eat at the free food at the dinning facility.

As you know when you move off base you get BAH and BAS. These things can help you out but don’t equal a salary of $50,000. I agree that if you budget your money you will be finically secure but eating Roman Noodles to balance your budget every night isn’t that much fun. The work the average military member does everyday would equal a cilivian job that pays twice as much. The government shouldn't equal that but it's far from where it needs to be.

For you to say “Bascially you BASE PAY is NOT for bills, strange enough, it's supposed to be for fun, especially with your rent already paid by me (the average tax payer)!” and to be prior service tells me you didn’t learn anything while you were active duty and it’s probably a good thing your no longer in the service. There is more to life than money but to have military members on WIC and food stamps is a disgrace. As a single individual in the military I was finically secure but to raise a family is another story.

Splitz
08-07-2006, 09:46 AM
Well, actually, I was an A1C at one time as well. You don't need to be on Roman Noodles, that's what the CHOW HALL is for. I did it, why can't some other guys have been the same way? The food wasn't all THAT bad, and it was free of charge. And why can't you eat at the dining hall everyday, I did and didn't complain about it not one time. When I moved out the dorm when I got married I still went there for lunch because it was so...."inexpensive".

I was feeding a family of 4, quite comfortably on military pay.

Military is a "right of assentiant". The longer you spend in the military the more money you will make. E-1's don't hardly make anything granted, but the average TOS and TIG off an E-9 can make clost to $4000/month plus benefits. They aren't on food stamps or WIC.

All I'm trying to say is, granted it's low paying, but then again, you choose to enlist, you know it going in, so the A1C in my opinion has no right to complain about the low paying job. He knew what he was doing when he enlisted, just like I did. Complaining after the fact has no merit in my book.

I worked at McD's when I was 16, and quit becuase I was only making $3.75/hour...guess what...i got a new job!

I enjoyed my life in the USAF, and it was time for me to move on. Became to political personally and in my chain of command. When you see people get promoted by stepping on and screwing your junior enlisted, that's when I saw things were FUBAR. Granted, it CAN be similar in the rear world, but it seems different in the military. I'm glad that I got out....but would have made it a career if I had so desired.

craparo
08-07-2006, 10:34 AM
Wahh Wahh.. your chow halls might be nice but eat some of the garbage the marine corps tries to pass off for chow. I'd rather they just shut down all of them and gave me the 250$/mo for substinance. I pull in (in the rear not deployed) 1050/week and I get "room and board" and "food".. The rate my room at 450/mo (it is shitty, has to be kept spotless every day of the week.. marines know field day... and is shared with someone else not of your choice). So basically I am making 1750/month which comes to 21,000 a year. (just rough)... now.. lets see how many hours I put in with things like CAX, Desert Fire-X, backyard field ops/shoots, average working days through the week going 6am to 8 or 9pm. Definately for the work you do, stress you are put through, underpaid. I know for a fact, if you were even deployed, it is not the same deployments we do. It is hardly worth the extra 400$ per check to some people.

I'm not complaining, I knew way before hand I was NOT joining for money (it would be nice).. but to make it out like we're rich or paid handsomely is untrue. I know if I had a child or two, or a wife I couldn't support them solely until I was atleast staff (e-6 + )

Your example about quitting McD makes no sense, can't really quit the military.

Splitz
08-07-2006, 12:05 PM
The McD's reference is absolutly valid, I bet right now, you could could schedule an appointment to see your respective 1st Sgt, and talk to your direct chain of command to be discharged from the military. Just like I walked up to my boss at McD's and quit. I've seen it done, escorted a certain E-3 to the commader to start the discharge process.

Granted, it's easier to quit McD's and less consequences, but it is still VERY do-able!

Urban Legend
08-07-2006, 12:43 PM
This thread is going places...

NA$TY-TA
08-15-2006, 03:53 PM
This thread is going places...


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