Generation IV Internal Engine - Nice intake manifold...

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:eek2: that thing is a work of art. when should that motor be done?

Dam, that manifold looks sick. :hail:

How come you always have the coolest parts ever?

those are nice welds...

damn thats nice :drool: :drool: :drool:

why is it on the block backwards?? ahahha the oil sensor goes in the back :P

Mmmmmm......shiny!!! :)

Do you have some pic's that show more detail. j/j

That is an amazing part. :eek2: Will be nice to see when the project is complete.

Sweetness!

Phillip. I have to know where you got the pics. I need the same manifold (C5R).
Thanks

I do believe I laid eyes on that manifold at a certain head shop in Michigan a week or so ago.

I can honestly say if I had seen it on person, my hands would not have been the only thing I would have laid upon it....hehehe

I also must say, I really don't like where those injectors are. But I'm sure the guy who put them there knows a bit more than me.

Just a thought, but is the intake on backwards to show that there might be a intercooler mounted in the passanger compartment coming from a turbo?!?!?!?!?!?! :hail: :hail:

Chad

dear god.... that is purrrrdy

I do believe I laid eyes on that manifold at a certain head shop in Michigan a week or so ago.

Yes you did...

nice is an understatement

wow, how about alittle more info.

I dont even wana know how much that thing ran

Looks like a CFE product.

That is awsome looking.

:drool: :pimp: :hail:

I also must say, I really don't like where those injectors are. But I'm sure the guy who put them there knows a bit more than me.
That's something that I'm noticing too. Do you foresee any fuel delivery problems?

I dont even wana know how much that thing ran

He said probably around $2500 somewhere I think. Not quite sure though.

do you happen to have a picture of the inside of the top of the plenum? Where teh TB transitions into the plenum.

This intake is in the $6k range

He said probably around $2500 somewhere I think. Not quite sure though.


You can't hardly touch any sheetmetal intake for <$3k. That one with all the CNC work I'm sure would EASILY double that figure.

Very nice work there for sure. I too questioned the placement of the injectors. Looks like they'd be firing right at the port roof which would be bad.

This intake is in the $6k range
i guess thats outta my budget :jest: :hail:

This intake is in the $6k rangeIt's nice, but Jesus! It is just a intake right? Does it do anything special, like transform into Optimus Prime and own the world?:D

It's nice, but Jesus! It is just a intake right? Does it do anything special, like transform into Optimus Prime and own the world?:D

I agree.

What sets it apart from the manifolds in the $3,000.00 range? Is it all the CNC work? And is it custom CNC, not some mass produced program?

I agree.

What sets it apart from the manifolds in the $3,000.00 range? Is it all the CNC work? And is it custom CNC, not some mass produced program?Yea, I believe it is it's own design, and with the CNC work, I can see were the price could come in, but unless you plan to win alot of car shows, I can't see it making any more powere than a $3k hogan/beck. Still a stellar piece though, can't argue with that. :)

i dont see a pic????????????

Yeah, that does look awfully familliar, just like the one I built a couple weeks ago. Nope, not a CFE, but an ETP. That manifold is completely made from billet bar stock and completely cnc'd inside and out. Pricey, yes. A lot of work, yes. That is more of a 1 off deal. We can make more of them though. As far as what works better, We have lot of time into designing and building these blower manifolds. The injector on the bottom, that does work very well. It idles real well and the distribution on these manifolds is great. EGT's within 30 degrees at 2200hp all the way through the whole RPM range. There are actually two different manifolds in the pics. The first one, is a new one we made to fit underneath the stock cowl. The one with the lid on it is the manifold that went in the 6's on Hardcore's GTO. The GTO manifold has a rear facing throttle body. The other is a forward facing that fits under a stock hood. These were made to work with our C5R and canted valve heads. These will be avalible in a cast version around the time of the PRI show. Of course we will have 25 different versions of these too, including the LS7 and cathederal port heads.

sounds good so i guess you will have an intake to match every et head. Do you have any ideal on prices yet

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

hehe

no i just spent 35k on this thing within a year I am tired of spending money on it

The weld quality looks very nice! Wish I had a car with enough hood clearance to clear something like that.

The welds are world class.
The machining looks like modern art.
WoW...

Curious, do you have any shots of the plenum interior?

that intake manifold is sick. it looks awesome. adds a lot of bling to the engine compartment.

schweet. I want. :judge:

no i just spent 35k on this thing within a year I am tired of spending money on it


LMAO I know the feeling, we spent more than that over a 3.5 year time span, we went first class though...no skimping. When yours does run..you will enjoy it. It wont be broke all the time because you bought second rate parts.

BTW here is a pic of our manifold.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=388563


With you, do you have a list of whats left to buy? I keep making one all the time, it NEVER ends, I keep adding to it.


David

The weld quality looks very nice! Wish I had a car with enough hood clearance to clear something like that.

It fits under a stock hood.

When you eventually have them into production, I'd be intrested to see how that would work out with my 240 et heads, what TB's are tehy made to take, will the NW/fast style TB work with them? And what about the vacum hookups, is ther a way to hook them up to them too? I'd assume when they go into production, there will be.

i wonder how hard it was getting those fuel rails on there

i wonder how hard it was getting those fuel rails on there
the fuel rails are easy to get on and have a real nice mounting system. When in production, the will fit the nick williams/fast style throttle bodies and have all the vacuum and acessories.

Very freakin nice. Some of the best craftsmanship Ive even seen. If it performs as good as it looks youll be all set.

I'll take it. Where should I send my first born too?

do you happen to have a picture of the inside of the top of the plenum? Where the TB transitions into the plenum.
:metoo:

I think the runners need to be bigger

Im going to drive to your house and take that away from you

where do you live again lol


Sick looking manifold tho :devil:



-john

holy crap, beautiful

I think the runners need to be biggerWTF??? I'm sure with this nice of a manifold, that it is matched to the heads being used.

WTF??? I'm sure with this nice of a manifold, that it is matched to the heads being used.

I agree. And not only that, but those runners aren't small by any means.

I'm sure those runners are big enough, those runners are probably perfect size for stuff in the 400 inch plus range, for a smaller more radical setup that will live in the upper rpm's, they are probably perfect too.

there are various different port combinations. One does not fit all. That particular one is for a 400 inch 2200-2400hp blower combo.

there are various different port combinations. One does not fit all. That particular one is for a 400 inch 2200-2400hp blower combo.

I wish I understood why ANYONE would use a centrifugal blower.

kiiler :hail:

I wish I understood why ANYONE would use a centrifugal blower.


I've always wondered why anyone would buy a Fiero....lol. :jest:

J/K

I've always wondered why anyone would buy a Fiero....lol. :jest:

J/K

because a fiero costs less then a V8 shifter kart chassis? :jest:


seriously though, i must have come back into this thread 10 times now, just to look at the pics again...

ahhh, if only i had money...

those are nice welds...

I agree! Those are text book welds and you do seem to always have the Coolest parts Phil! :cheers:

Thanks for sharing!

Very nice!!!!!

I've always wondered why anyone would buy a Fiero....lol. :jest:

J/K

Hehe, I'm starting to wonder the same thing. Basically, weight. About 2800lbs with every option, and an all-iron V6. Not to mention traction, I cut consistent 1.6 60's with just 240hp :drive:

I wish I understood why ANYONE would use a centrifugal blower.

They're more consistent than turbo cars :judge:

you do seem to always have the Coolest parts Phil!
From the sound of his original post, he just took pictures of it at a shop. I don't think it's his.

nice :hail:

From the sound of his original post, he just took pictures of it at a shop. I don't think it's his.


I think Craig must have emailed the pics or something. When I finally looked at it closer, I realized it was at our shop.

Do you actually have to pull it off the engine to change injectors?

thats so beautiful. i would trade my right nut for it. Is it a Wilson Manifold?

thats so beautiful. i would trade my right nut for it. Is it a Wilson Manifold?
Its an ETP

They're more consistent than turbo cars :judge:
And cheaper, and easier to tune, basically the only downside I can think of is that they don't have quite the potential of a turbo and the parasitic loss that comes with them.

And cheaper, and easier to tune, basically the only downside I can think of is that they don't have quite the potential of a turbo and the parasitic loss that comes with them.

They aren't any cheaper or easier to tune for.

They don't have near the potential of a turbo. The parasitic losses aren't too big of an issue, they draw less power than a roots or screw type blower. The biggest inferiority is the boost ramp. You never get full boost until redline.

Its an ETP

For my canted valve LSX heads????

Absolutely beautiful work. :)

That intake is a jewel. I split off the thread when it went towards talking about ITB intakes so we can keep this thread on track.

Off track or not, I WANT TO SEE THOSE VIDEOS!

Then go look in the other thread I split it to.

Cool :joecool:

Amazing.

Thats the kind of CNC work I'm aspiring to create. Was it done on a 5 axis mill of some kind?

will there be a cast version for the L92 heads?
also what is an idea of pricing for the cast versions?
Thanks
Ed
firebird455@gmail.com

will there be a cast version for the L92 heads?
also what is an idea of pricing for the cast versions?
Thanks
Ed
firebird455@gmail.com

We will have a version to fit every type of LSX head. Cost is to be determined at this point. I think they will be in reason though. I will update when we get some sample parts done.

Are you guys going to polish these or are you going to ship them "as machined"? What companies CNC are you using? If it's going to be as machined, can you turn up the stepover in the final surfacing operations so they look nicer? The welds are absolutely gorgeous, they deserve to be on parts with a nicer surface finish...it might be the pictures, but it looks like a pretty huge stepover and some funky tool chatter on some of the surfaces.

Are you guys going to polish these or are you going to ship them "as machined"? What companies CNC are you using? If it's going to be as machined, can you turn up the stepover in the final surfacing operations so they look nicer? The welds are absolutely gorgeous, they deserve to be on parts with a nicer surface finish...it might be the pictures, but it looks like a pretty huge stepover and some funky tool chatter on some of the surfaces.


I'm Sorry

We use a Boston Digital 5 axis. We did clean up the stepover on some new ones we just built, I don't know how to load pics, If someone wants to load them I will be glad to send them.

so what's the gusstimate on the $ for one fo these when they are completed? Say one for a 400+ inch motor with 240 heads on it?

thats what i what to know

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

The $ isn't the real question, I'm more curious as to how they will be priced in comparison to a beck sheet metal and other competitive products.. and how it will compare performance wise as well.

If the thing costs 2000, and it makes 10 hp more then a fast 90, then no I don't want it, if it's 2000 bucks and makes 25 hp more, then that's not so bad. If it's 3000 bucks and makes 40 hp over a fast, then it's worth it. I'm more intrested in the hp per $... if it falls in a range that I find acceptable, then the $ really isn't a concern. When you've already got 12+K in a motor, what is another 3 grand on an intake to make the most out of what I've already built/bought?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
why do people post stupied things like this?

why do people post stupied things like this?You should read some of the other stuff. 69 posts and already making a great impression. :jest:

I'm Sorry

We use a Boston Digital 5 axis. We did clean up the stepover on some new ones we just built, I don't know how to load pics, If someone wants to load them I will be glad to send them.
email them to chestonphillips@yahoo.com and I'll host them.

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.


:eyes: :gay:

Not trying to jack the thread, here is one from Harrop for the LS1:

http://www.harrop.com.au/site_resources/657/616/image/number_3.jpg

The link is at: http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/harrop_manifolds/amfd7022-00.html if you have the $5.8k AUS for it.

First, Where do I get one!!!
Two, how much.

First, Where do I get one!!!
Two, how much.Which one? The pics in the first page or the ones of the Harrop? Either way, the ones on the first page are of a ET performance intake and I believe they said it cost around $6k. The Harrop intake shown on the page before this is around $3400.

beast do you have a pic of your engine bay with the harrop on it? I'm curious hwo that fits in the f body.

Keep this thread on the ETP intake. If you want to discuss ITB intakes, go to the other thread...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568773

My question is for all of the type of new intake manifolds. How do you tune to use them? Obviously you have to go speed density since you don't have a single mass airflow sensor, but do you still have a MAP (manifold pressure sensor) since you have individual throttles and not a common intake chamber?

JL and Alchemist, I quoted and answered your questions in the ITB thread in this section.

Harrop fit on an f-body?
Bob

Damn that intake has some excellent craftsmanship! I mean damn just look at the welds!

Harrop fit on an f-body?
BobI'm the only F-body guy with one and I haven't installed my motor yet. From my measurments, the intake I pictured should fit no problem.

I'm impressed the the upper plenum appears to have been machined from a large billet of aluminum when most plenums you see are flat welded sheetmetal style pieces. :eek2: $$$$ :eek2: