Forced Induction - WTF??? Need crossover help

OK, trying to install my TTi T76 kit and I cannot get the crossover in at all on the passenger side (stock manifold). Looks like it wont fit in the space no matter what I try. I took the starter out completely, and it wont go in. Can somebody tell me what is wrong?

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Ask the other dude what year exhaust manifold he was running... They are different depending on year...

Ryan K.

He isnt going to tell me. He wont respond to me at all.

From the looks of it I think it is an 01. Looks like my buddies 01 SS manifolds.

If I remember correctly, it was a 6.0 truck manifold....

I heard that almost a year ago when he bought the car with the kit on it. (He later upgraded to a larger turbo unit.) ~Joshua

Well, I just compared it to the 2001 SS manifolds, they are identical. I also looked at my original 2000 manifolds and the only differnce between my 00 and the one matt gave me is the hole for the AIR system. Otherwise same.

So what gives? I guess his tubular k member allowed him to get that crossover on his car. But what the hell is that crossover for? I wonder if he made it himself. Either way it looks like I have a crossover that is useless to me. :bang:

Hmmm. Hopefully tomorrow one of the other TTi guys will chime in.

Well, I just compared it to the 2001 SS manifolds, they are identical. I also looked at my original 2000 manifolds and the only differnce between my 00 and the one matt gave me is the hole for the AIR system. Otherwise same.

So what gives? I guess his tubular k member allowed him to get that crossover on his car. But what the hell is that crossover for? I wonder if he made it himself. Either way it looks like I have a crossover that is useless to me. :bang:

a cross over brings the exhaust to the other side. to run through the turbo. you need it.

Well, I just compared it to the 2001 SS manifolds, they are identical. I also looked at my original 2000 manifolds and the only differnce between my 00 and the one matt gave me is the hole for the AIR system. Otherwise same.

So what gives? I guess his tubular k member allowed him to get that crossover on his car. But what the hell is that crossover for? I wonder if he made it himself. Either way it looks like I have a crossover that is useless to me. :bang:

Yeah, either he used a different passanger manifold or made that cusutom crossover based off of a tubular K-memeber that gave a little more ground clearance. FYI the 98-99 fbody and all truck manifolds are different than your stock manifolds, and as Ryan said, maybe it's set-up for one of those.

Well, the thing is he supposedly sent me the manifold he used, it is coated and it looks identical to a 2000 and 2001 manifold. That is it in the pics above.

I am thinking that he either made a crossover or altered the one TTi supplied for his setup. If that is the case it means once again he has shafted me. I know that TTi supplies a crossover that will work with a stock k member. I know the crossmember I have will NOT work, there is no way it will fit without some major modification to it. He specifically said the kit was complete as it came from TTi.

Something aint adding up here. :mad: Wish I never bought this in the first place, should have just bought a new kit.

what transmission did he have, the auto was different from the mannual.

He had a six speed, I made sure to ask about that.

From PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtieman81
Matt, was going over my notes. I just want to verify that the kit you have is for a 6 speed car. I think I asked you, but can't find the answer. Thanks.



Yes it is. It has the crossover pipe for it.

bowtie mans drives a trans am? *head tilt* hahaha

anyways id just pickup the phone and call tti, perhaps they can tell you whats goin on. they are real helpful on the phone, when i was installing the TTi kit on my vette they were very good about helpin me when i called.

the 2002 truck manifold would put that connection point farther to the rear might clear that starter area. Not sure though, there was a pic of the truck 2002 manifold on here somewhere just can not find it.
Worst case you could build a spacer to make that area work, if you had too..

Ricky

Making fun of my name Zach :nono: :jest: At least the TA has a bowtie engine powering it.

Here is what TTi said:
That is the old cross over pipe. The new one is 2.5". That cross over almost looks like it was for an automatic transmission according to George.

How much power are you trying to make?

the 2002 truck manifold would put that connection point farther to the rear might clear that starter area. Not sure though, there was a pic of the truck 2002 manifold on here somewhere just can not find it.
Worst case you could build a spacer to make that area work, if you had too..

Ricky

I thought about a spacer, but the thing is if I use a spacer it won't bolt up to the log then because it wont line up with the log. I was measuring to see if a spacer would work, and I would need some sort of spacer on both sides to make it work. The log spacer would have to be curved too; PITA.

nah im not makin fun of you, i love the "bowtie" thing, its my license plate on the trailblazer "bowtie 2" haha, i was just confused as to your pontiacage with bowtieage.

gl with the build, headaches this early in the installtion usually spell disaster :(

You mentioned that the manifold he sent you was coated. I know for a fact that the stock manifold that was in his car was coated. Then he did give you the same one in his car.

He does have an aftermarket k-member. Don't know which one though. To also verify, he does have a 6 speed.

You mentioned that the manifold he sent you was coated. I know for a fact that the stock manifold that was in his car was coated. Then he did give you the same one in his car.

He does have an aftermarket k-member. Don't know which one though. To also verify, he does have a 6 speed.

The car he had this kit on is a 2000 right? Did he ever have the kit on the car without the aftermarket k member?

The car he had this kit on is a 2000 right? Did he ever have the kit on the car without the aftermarket k member?
I'm not certain if his is a 2000 or 2001. I'd guess it was a 00 though. Which doesn't matter because that coated manifold was the one that was on the car.

He bought the car used with the kit installed and it already had the aftermarket k-member installed in addition to whatever coated manifold that he included. (Don't know for certain what the manifold was, but I thought the coated manifold was from a truck. :confused: )

After a while he simply added a larger turbo unit and drove it for 300 miles before he wanted more than the TTi street kit would support and he sold whatever was on the car.

Holy shit! Josh, no offense to you but your buddy Matt is a liar! He told me he bought the kit from TTi new. He never said shit about buying the car used with the kit already on it. No wonder half the shit is not correct or does not fit. That is complete and utter BS what he told me. Here are some excperts from his PMs to me:

"I have had about enough of this crap with you questioning this questioning that. I have too much other stuff to deal with and worry about than this. The kit is the upgraded one with the T-76 and thats all I have to say. It is as described I called TTI and yes I ordered the right one and yes its the right kit. I told you the stuff that was altered on the kit over the phone."

"The stuff I ordered from them is the TTI Street kit with the T-76 with all the upgrades. I have looked at your pics and it does measure 3 inches. I sold you the kit with all the upgrades from TTI how it came from them."

"The kit is not older than a year old for a fact. I don't care what anyone says maybe they had it on there shelf and thats what they sent I don't know. When I ordered it I had the T-76 upgrade and everything that went with it. I will get you your instructions and I will get you the other intercooler and I will call on the crossover that you say is wrong and the downpipe and see how much they are but I'm not promising anything on those because TTI is extremily expensive on everything. That kit you have cost me over $6000.00 new when I got it."

"I also talked to TTI and they quoted me the same prices on the down pipe and crossover and they said as far as my kit that I ordered it was purchased in Novemeber and that I did get the T-76 with all the upgrades possible with the 3 inch downpipe and 2.5 crossover and godzilla BOV and the total was $6,282.12 and they told me since its been so long and I have used the kit and since sold the kit that they can't do anything or that they did anything wrong even though you say they did."

Matt insisted his kit was not even a year old and purchased in November, let look at this post:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384816

Also, I talked to Nick at TTi myself and asked him to look up what Matt ordered from them. He said Matt was not even in the system. I found that odd, but now it makes sense. He never bought anything from them.

He lied from beginning about this crap, screwed me out of some expensive parts, and passed on his fu**ed up kit to me.

Mods, can give your opinon here?

My opinion is you better get back to wrenching, that's what you get for buying used stuff.

What did TTi say, should it still work?

My opinion is you better get back to wrenching, that's what you get for buying used stuff.

What did TTi say, should it still work?


The crossover wont work. TTi could not tell for sure what style the crossover was, or if it was even one they made. George thought it was for an auto car.

I have to disagree with you John about the used stuff comment. I was more than willing to go buy misc bolt/nuts, gaskets, vac lines. But this guy lied about this deal from the start, and the stuff we are talking about is not misc little items. These are major, and expensive, pieces.

I've bought tons of used parts before, never had really too many issues with them...other than they were used. Some of us really can't afford to be buying new this and that but still enjoy modding our cars and have to make do with used items.

BUT when buying used we run a risk. That is why you have to know your seller. There is really nothing the mods or owners of tech can do. It was a personal deal, not a deal between a sponsor and a customer.

Hope you get it figured out. Maybe send the kit to TTI to have them make heads or tails of it.

Good luck.
J:D

I agree with you frcefed. Based on the sellers feedback, and testimony from members I thought I was safe.

I am not really asking you guys to solve this problem, just give your opinion if I am seeing things correctly. My view is I got screwed, just want to see if others think that or not.

Yeah i'd say you got screwed, pretty safe to say that he sold you something that was talked up to be much more than what he sent...weak.

Wow...

Like I said in a previous thread, I've always known Matt to be a stand up guy. One look at his trader rating (aside from this deal) tells that he's top notch.

I'm really shocked this is turning out this way. I'm really floored over it. I mean, he is a friend of mine that I know from the Atlanta area, we meet up on cruise nights etc, but it appears that not all was said at the time of sale.

I'm pissed off at this, what makes it worse is that I know him and- like him as a person. He's good in my book and he's always got me to count on if he needs help, but man this whole thing really stinks. It really f#ckin' stinks. :|

Firehawk, I know your obviously friends with the guy Bowtie bought the kit from, but why can't the guy speak for himself? Just curious because I see you standing up for him and I don't want that to hurt your image since this deal between him and Bowtie is obviously only getting worse. I have read numerous threads/posts from Bowtie and it seems with each one there is another problem with the kit.

I bought my kit used, and the only problem I ran across was an auto cross over...which was my fault for not checking first. Bowtie seems to be getting alot of problems that he shouldn't be having for buying a kit that was in "working order and complete".

Anywho, bowtie...my advice: Just ditch the kit now, stop spending money on it. Sell the hot parts or something on ebay and start over. If you have a T-76 or another turbo in working order hold onto that and buy another kit from a sponsor around it. Either do that or send the entire thing to TTi to have them look at it.

This is what the old style auto cross over looks like:
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/nbrinkw2/Turbo/P1010001.JPG
^ directly bellow the exhaust manifold and above the abused I-pipe.

more angels:
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/nbrinkw2/Turbo/P1010002.JPG
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/nbrinkw2/Turbo/P1010003.JPG
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/nbrinkw2/Turbo/P1010004.JPG

Josh, Matt (seller) blatantly lied, and broke his word, about several things thru this deal between him and me. It sucks that he is your friend, but he is responsible for his actions/words.

I don't know why he wont speak up about this. You said he was mad at me; I dont know why. He got all my money and more for this kit and I am the one that got f**ked. So what does he have to be mad about :confused:

Neal, I appreciate the advice. I wish I never bought this damn thing and I could start over. I'm not sure I could sell this kit in good conscience since I know it is screwed up. Maybe I will send some parts to TTi and see what they have to say. Guess my car will be down for a while longer.

Matt, if you read this why dont you have the guts to speak up? Your reputation is sure going downhill fast.

Damn dude... This really freaking sucks... I hope this shit gets straigtened out...

This guy has obviously lied about the whole sale and really been pretty shitty about everything...

I guess all you can do is leave him bad feedback and catch every buy or sale he tries to do on this site and other sites with links to all your issues with him as a seller...


Josh, I don't know you but you have always seemed pretty cool and knowledgable... I think as a sponser it might be time for you to quit trying to back this guy... You don't want to be associated with crap like this being as the site is a business oppourtunity..

Josh, I don't know you but you have always seemed pretty cool and knowledgable... I think as a sponser it might be time for you to quit trying to back this guy... You don't want to be associated with crap like this being as the site is a business oppourtunity..

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I've met Matt a couple of times,

You know what I'm talking about... an aqauintance that you consider a friend.


*** Listen to me ***

This isn't my deal, nor am I siding with Matt... because he is obviously wrong here.

I'm not even sure what I'll say to Matt the next time I talk to him.... this whole thing's a f#cking mess. :nono:

I'm an honorable person and I've tried to help. I'm done. ~Joshua

Hey Russell, hows it going?

And Josh, I dont blame you for any of this nor expect you to do anything about it. I sincerley appreciate you talking to Matt on my behalf, and realize you cant make him do the right thing. You're a good guy in my book. :) Matt is not.

I can't believe your deal goes from worse to even worse as you get further along... I think it's time to send what you've got to TTi and let them get it sorted out. You might spend some money, but you need to make it work and at this rate you're gonna find out next week that something else is wrong/missing/fucked up. I've followed your deal loosely from the start and it's pissed me off there are people like this out there. I've bought even a whole motor from a user here so don't lose faith in most LS1ers.

call tti, tell them what year manifold you have 98-99= pinch welded steel manifold
2000+= cast iron manifold (better flowing)

once they know this they can supply you with anything you need. they have made several crossovers for this kit, some in front of the engine, some behind, and most recently they made a behind the the engine large 'upgrade' crossover on my car (6 sp) i believ using a cast iron manifold.

Thanks for the offer MM. I asked TTi about it, but they wanted 375 for the crossover. I went ahead and made my own, which I think will be better than theirs, for about $50 worth of parts.

I hope to have some pics of it up later tonight in my TTi install thread.

Cool i'm looking forward to the pics of the crossover. Hope everything goes somewhat smoothly from here on out:cheers:

Cool i'm looking forward to the pics of the crossover. Hope everything goes somewhat smoothly from here on out:cheers:


You and me both.