Generation IV Internal Engine - SERIOUSLY! I am ready to pay for my parts!!!

I plan on running a DD, twin turbo Trans am. I am now complete, in funds that is. Should i go with a 408 forged shortblock, or just go with the bigger with the LS2 based 418 stroker? Who does the bst work? I dont want a no-namer...
I do want to use that aluminum LS2 block... but hear the iron 408 is better. what do you think???

The added cubes are not going to benefit you as much as you might think. Many have had tremendous success with smaller engines. Just choose what you want, because in the end if you are not happy with it, then what is the point?

The added cubes are not going to benefit you as much as you might think. Many have had tremendous success with smaller engines. Just choose what you want, because in the end if you are not happy with it, then what is the point?
I agree, if you are going for a max effort motor the cubes are not that big off a deal. You can make 1,000 rwhp on 347 almost as easy as you can on a 408, BUT if you are not looking to go that high I believe the extra cubes will pay off in driveabilty. The reason I say that is say a 650 rwhp motor will not be as much of a "light switch" like power delivery on a bigger motor compared to a smaller motor. jmho

I want answers, LOL! Help me- all of LS1tech!!!
I plan on running a DD, twin turbo Trans am. I am now complete, in funds that is. Should i go with a 408 forged shortblock, or just go with the bigger with the LS2 based 418 stroker? Who does the bst work? I dont want a no-namer...
I do want to use that aluminum LS2 block... but hear the iron 408 is better. what do you think???

I would stay with the 402. The added cubes aren't that big of a deal. Hell get the new L-92 block and stay with the stock stroke. It would take advantage of the big bore if you do decide to stay twin turbo and make tons of power.

I still think you should go with a custom YSi setup or a F1 setup. With the manual tranny on a street car the blower will be a lot more fun and reliable.

Nate

thanks guys, and thanks nate... that l92 must be something i have heard so far...

so much that it has replaced the ls2 based stroker idea for most people, think its comparable to the ls2 based strokers, in the sense that it can match the #'s of a ls2 based..

I plan on running a DD, twin turbo Trans am. I am now complete, in funds that is. Should i go with a 408 forged shortblock, or just go with the bigger with the LS2 based 418 stroker? Who does the bst work? I dont want a no-namer...
I do want to use that aluminum LS2 block... but hear the iron 408 is better. what do you think???

We will have our 415 L92 short blocks on the shelf in about 3 weeks. The one you need with the turbo deal would have 2618 material pistons and a "Hell Fire" rings set so it will live under boost. $4699.95 + shipping.
Includes:

L92 block 4.065" bore with all plugs and dowel pins
Eagle 4.000" stroke crank
Scat 6.125" "H" beam
Manley custom -14cc Dish 2618 material pistons with tool steel pins
Total Seal brand "Hell Fire" style rings with Napier second. 1/16; 1/16; 3/16
Clevite "H" series race bearings
Durabond cam bearings.
Complete break-in instructions
GM Engine Oil Suppliment
Fixed orifice PCV valve
Engine cradle and shipping crate (good to store old engine in)

Also, we just got some of the complete L76 intakes in today. :hail:

I plan on running a DD, twin turbo Trans am. I am now complete, in funds that is. Should i go with a 408 forged shortblock, or just go with the bigger with the LS2 based 418 stroker? Who does the bst work? I dont want a no-namer...
I do want to use that aluminum LS2 block... but hear the iron 408 is better. what do you think???

Which TT kit?? I would go with a alum LS2 in either 402ci or 415ci size motor topped with AFR 225 heads. You won't be dissapointed :)

The bigger cube will make great power on lower boost. The smaller the engine the more you have to LEAN on it. Thats why the outlaw racers are using 600-800 cube engines with twin 106's @ only 15-20 psi boost. Conservative tune=longer life on motor. And just think, you can always turn it up more!
Just an opinion here, but those 'hellfire' top rings only lasted 2000 street miles for me, using the recomended finish hone. Go with a coated steel top ring.

I plan on running a DD, twin turbo Trans am. I am now complete, in funds that is. Should i go with a 408 forged shortblock, or just go with the bigger with the LS2 based 418 stroker? Who does the bst work? I dont want a no-namer...
I do want to use that aluminum LS2 block... but hear the iron 408 is better. what do you think???

The more cubes the better, ALWAYS. T...TT or SC'ed. Just depends if your builder knows what the hell he's doing. From the research I've done talking to SERIOUS experienced turbo builders; Its easy to stuff compressed air into a smaller engine and get whatever you can out it running rather lean, and being a little on the unreliable side, but when you know what you're doing you can use a bigger cubed engine, same psi or less, and get ridiculous power and run rather rich all the time. Its all about knowing what you're doing.
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We have two boost motors built. They have the same components as the Twin Turbo C6 of ours that makes 998rwhp. It will have the Severe Duty Forgings Mahle -30cc boost pistons, ARP 2000 rod bolts on Scat H-beam rods, Eagle Cranks and ARP Main Studs. Let me know if your interested in this motor!!

Zach

I would run the smaller engine. You might even consider a L92 or LS2 block with a 3.622 crank in it for even less cubes.
You can get the same peak numbers, with the same turbos on a smaller engine, but kill a little of the low end torque. More power and torque is always good, unless you're trying to drive it around on street tires every day.

if i were to do a turbo set up on a F-body i would run the LS7 wet sump 427 with -32cc dished pistons, from scroggin, they have put together a full turnkey crate motor for $12,775 shipped + the biggest single turbo set up i coud find and run 10-11psi on pump gas. like someone else said you can make more power with less boost with bigger cubes. thats what i would go with, least amount of effort to make the most useful power possible.

Do the smart thing, pick up the phone and call W2W. Look at the fastest LSx based motors and who built them.

Do the smart thing, pick up the phone and call W2W. Look at the fastest LSx based motors and who built them.

Ditto!

W2W FTW!

You may also want to take a look at the new GMPP LSX motor that will be out this spring...

Do the smart thing, pick up the phone and call W2W. Look at the fastest LSx based motors and who built them.

Not everyone has $50,000++ for A TT set up though, and for a 1,000 RWHP set up thats what it'll cost from W2W.

The identical engine can be had for near half that from other builders. I got a price from W2W for a 1,500 RWHP TT set up.....$120,000, and that was an estimate.

Call NRE and get a pump gas 408ci TT with 1,330 HP for about $30,000.


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Not everyone has $50,000++ for A TT set up though, and for a 1,000 RWHP set up thats what it'll cost from W2W.

The identical engine can be had for near half that from other builders. I got a price from W2W for a 1,500 RWHP TT set up.....$120,000, and that was an estimate.

Call NRE and get a pump gas 408ci TT with 1,330 HP for about $30,000.


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I don't know who NRE is...and chances are most people on here don't either.

He asked for the best, W2W is it.

I don't know who NRE is...and chances are most people on here don't either.

Badass shops don't need to be sponsors places either. And actually alot of people know who NRE is on this site, they all :drool: over their stuff.

He asked for the best, W2W is it.

Not by a long shot. Good, yes, the best, no way on gods green earth.


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Not by a long shot. Good, yes, the best, no way on gods green earth.

I'm sorry, I must have missed it then...who put together the fastest LSx motor?

I'm sorry, I must have missed it then...who put together the fastest LSx motor?

You should read the fine print. Just because you got suckered into buying an engine from a place that makes people believe they built something, doesn't mean anyone esle has to. Its all about advertising and sucking people in to sell engines, you're one of them.

Right from their site, under the ad for that 100% custom twin turbo drag car that took one year to build.

Even though Wheel to Wheel Powertrain didn’t officially build and does not own the car or engine, we are capable of and excited about the prospect of building similar projects for customers. I think that the employees listed above demonstrate the passion for performance that our customers will receive.

And the title of "oh, we have the fastest car changes hands all the time"....it means nothing. And you really shouldn't go around telling people that this or that shop is the worlds best when all you've done is hang out on the internet, the world is much larger. The fastest W2W built LSx car is 7.69 @ 181 BTW.

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Wow, thanks for the responses to that one. I totally hear you on the Less boost with bigger cubes pov, and it is a fact, and it is most likely what i will do. I was just looking for that "reliability everyday on the street" foundation. So it became a toss up between iron vs aluminum RESLEEVED, (408 vs. LS2 41?). I totally back that W2W statement, god knows i'd love to have them do a build for me, but my numbers are not right for that. I Absolutely love the work of Stenod, and am so close to calling them, but i need to complete this lowr end. I want to build an LS2, since i am an addict of the LS6, and it was my third real Fbody motor, (short block in a previous TA). I swore by it, and i hear such good things about the LS2, so why not up the ci??? I want to invest in something I will always have fun in, and can count on to last. I made the choice to go TT, whenvr i figure the kit, for street issues- spool time, power advantages over a big ass single unit... So what im saying is thankyou, and i hope to decide the motor by next frday, but Stenod is in my rolodex...;)

ps- i didnt wanna procharge anymore after seeing my friend lose his belt 3 times, and drive home smelling of grilled cheese!! Lol!

then there was this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Katech-sleeved-LS2-block-7-0L-427-ci_W0QQitemZ120049103047QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You should read the fine print. Just because you got suckered into buying an engine from a place that makes people believe they built something, doesn't mean anyone esle has to. Its all about advertising and sucking people in to sell engines, you're one of them.

Right from their site, under the ad for that 100% custom twin turbo drag car that took one year to build.

Even though Wheel to Wheel Powertrain didn’t officially build and does not own the car or engine, we are capable of and excited about the prospect of building similar projects for customers. I think that the employees listed above demonstrate the passion for performance that our customers will receive.


LOL, yeah I got 'suckered' into buying a motor from a shop with a stellar reputation that does developmental work for GM.

The motor that you are talking about was built by W2W and is owned by Kurt Urban, who works there. So, the employees at W2W were dedicated enough to spend a bunch of time working on a project to show what could be done with a properly setup car and motor.


And the title of "oh, we have the fastest car changes hands all the time"....it means nothing. And you really shouldn't go around telling people that this or that shop is the worlds best when all you've done is hang out on the internet, the world is much larger. The fastest W2W built LSx car is 7.69 @ 181 BTW.

The title of the quickest LSx motor hasn't changed since they made that pass. So yeah, it changes 'all the time'.

Who is the internet jockey here...do you even have a LSx motor that has made 1000+hp? Or do you just dream about them? Do you even have a motor from the shop where you are telling this guy to go?

Like I said, I haven't heard of NRE before...which I find strange since I live 10 miles away from their shop. I have spent a lot of time at local PSCA races and can't remember seeing any of their cars/customers there. I'm not saying that they aren't a great shop, but they aren't a known quantity like W2W. What is their fastest LSx build?

I totally back that W2W statement, god knows i'd love to have them do a build for me, but my numbers are not right for that.

Give Todd @ W2W a call and ask him about pricing on a short or longblock. You might be suprised.

Thats why the outlaw racers are using 600-800 cube engines with twin 106's @ only 15-20 psi boost. Conservative tune=longer life on motor. And just think, you can always turn it up more!


No they aren't... Lynch runs a ~600 CID motor with twin GT55/91's and Brand runs a ~700 CID motor with twin Turbonetics 91's.

Who runs twin 106's?

The ford guys run 449 cubers and dual 88's!

LOL, yeah I got 'suckered' into buying a motor from a shop with a stellar reputation that does developmental work for GM.

The motor that you are talking about was built by W2W and is owned by Kurt Urban, who works there. So, the employees at W2W were dedicated enough to spend a bunch of time working on a project to show what could be done with a properly setup car and motor.


The title of the quickest LSx motor hasn't changed since they made that pass. So yeah, it changes 'all the time'.

Who is the internet jockey here...do you even have a LSx motor that has made 1000+hp? Or do you just dream about them? Do you even have a motor from the shop where you are telling this guy to go?

Like I said, I haven't heard of NRE before...which I find strange since I live 10 miles away from their shop. I have spent a lot of time at local PSCA races and can't remember seeing any of their cars/customers there. I'm not saying that they aren't a great shop, but they aren't a known quantity like W2W. What is their fastest LSx build?

Look, W2W is a damn good shop, any moron can see that. But you are doing what so many people do: Since you have one of their engines you tell everyone that they are the best shop on the planet, look no further, its the only place to choose. Do you realize how cheezy that it. If NRE or Gayle Banks cared about showing people what an engine could do, they'd also waste their time and money and run 6's in the 1/4 mile. Whats the point? THERE IS NO POINT. There's a tranny shop in Lauderdale called ATF, they have no less than 5 cars in their shop every week, old friggin junky looking Fox body Mustangs with big single turbos or sc'ers running 6's....big damn deal. Purpose built trailored drag cars are supposed to do that.


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Look, W2W is a damn good shop, any moron can see that. But you are doing what so many people do: Since you have one of their engines you tell everyone that they are the best shop on the planet, look no further, its the only place to choose. Do you realize how cheezy that it. If NRE or Gayle Banks cared about showing people what an engine could do, they'd also waste their time and money and run 6's in the 1/4 mile. Whats the point? THERE IS NO POINT. There's a tranny shop in Lauderdale called ATF, they have no less than 5 cars in their shop every week, old friggin junky looking Fox body Mustangs with big single turbos or sc'ers running 6's....big damn deal. Purpose built trailored drag cars are supposed to do that.

I don't understand your argument at all. You are telling me not to recommend a shop that I had a great experience with during my build, and that delivered on every timeline and expectation that I had. Incidentally, this shop has done the same thing for many others on this site and their motors are in most of the fastest LSx cars around. The motors that come out of W2W last pass after pass, ask the Ohio Boys.

Does W2W cost more then the average shop? Sure. Want to know why? They do failure testing on all of the parts that they use in their builds, they know what will last and what won't. Most shops either don't have the budget or don't want to spend the time doing this level of analysis.

Instead, you are recommending a shop that virtually no one has heard of, based on what? Personal experience with them? Do you have one of their motors or not?

Either way, the guy asked for opinions, I gave mine, I stand behind it, and I can substantiate the reasons why.

Nelson Racing Engines (NRE) is more well known for their work with traditional engines, I haven't seen any of their work with LSx motors, but their builds for Hot Rod Magazine are top notch and I've never heard a bad thing about them. When I have the funds I'll order my turbos from them, but build it my self. I have also never heard a bad thing aabout W2W other than price, but you have to pay to play.

CNelson Racing Engines (NRE) is more well known for their work with traditional engines, I haven't seen any of their work with LSx motors, but their builds for Hot Rod Magazine are top notch and I've never heard a bad thing about them. When I have the funds I'll order my turbos from them, but build it my self. I have also never heard a bad thing aabout W2W other than price, but you have to pay to play.

Thats the problem.....their price's. They're pathetic. Just like Lingenfelter. Everyone says the same crap, "Oh, you get what you pay for." Bullshit. Lingenfelter offers warranties on their turbo set-ups because they charge twice what it costs to build the set-up. So if one blows in the 2yr/24,000 mile time frame, they already have the suckers money to replace it, gaining interest the whole time. W2W is no better than any other sponsor or shop, but the quote I got of $120,000 for a TT build is quite funny. JUST THE FRIGGIN ENGINE, INSTALL AND TUNE. NRE was $75,000 (including mini-tub, tranny, rear-end, roll cage, suspension work, install and tuning, out the door ready to drive) and they are 10 times better at building TT engines, sbc or LSx, it doesn't matter.

Phate,
So you're telling me that they take a brand new set of rods, pistons, cranks, etc from top manufacturers and put them through failure tests :jest: Whatever it takes to make sales, if you believe that I have a bridge I can sell you. And all the other top builders have no idea what parts "will last" and "what won't last", thats a double :jest: :jest:

And I never once recommended NRE to the thread starter, he and/or nobody here can afford their stuff, plus they don't build LSx engines, although they sure could. I was talking about a shop that could go 6's any time they choose too with a small block tt engine. But its pointless unless you like that kind of thing. Shops that charge ridiculous prices for things need to in case their stuff blows up under warranty. NRE warranties their 1,500 hp TT 427 sbc engines, good luck getting that from any other shop WITHOUT having to pay DOUBLE for it, up front. Also, W2W told me "NO" warranty on a TT set up, now thats confidence.

MyWs62FaST4u,

I recommend you shop around to different builders and get prices. W2W will be between double and triple everyone elses, I've already done the research for you so I know. Than do exactly what I'm doing, if you don't mind using a sbc instead of the Lsx block, with TT's, you need to call NRE and get a price. Than you'll have a serious piece of machinery for a daily driver that will ass rape any LSx shops TT set ups using "pump gas", while everyone else needs to use race gas. NRE builds anything, but they specialize in building reliable, technolgically advanced, CRAZY high HP, street car engines. If I remember correctly, someone got a price for the TT 427ci sbc, with a 230ish tiny cam, 1,300 FWHP, "pump gas", [b]keep your show car quality custom install for $35,000 or so. Have to confirm the price.
Go here and watch the video of their 427, its insane:
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536238

Phate,
Now thats a recommendation :chug:


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...and they are 10 times better at building TT engines, sbc or LSx, it doesn't matter.


LOL, like I said, where are all fast/high hp LSx motors that they have put together? Oh, right...you go on to say later on, "...they don't build LSx engines." So essentially, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.


And I never once recommended NRE to the thread starter

Really, take a look down a few posts...short memory?

"Call NRE and get a pump gas 408ci TT with 1,330 HP for about $30,000."


Phate,
So you're telling me that they take a brand new set of rods, pistons, cranks, etc from top manufacturers and put them through failure tests.

Um, yeah. There are several aftermarket parts that they will not use in their builds because they do not meet their standards...parts that you see in other shop's builds all the time.


...but the quote I got of $120,000 for a TT build is quite funny. JUST THE FRIGGIN ENGINE, INSTALL AND TUNE.

I'm willing to bet that you got your wires crossed. Your saying that W2W wanted to charge you 120,000 to build a motor, install it, and tune it? You might want to double check those figures. You'll have 25k in the motor, 3k for BS3, 5k for miscellaneous stuff...and
probably pay 125/hr for custom fab work for the turbo stuff.


Also, W2W told me "NO" warranty on a TT set up, now thats confidence.


LOL, are you for real, no shit there is no warranty. What's to stop someone from cranking the boost way up without the tune to support it? What if you decide to ride the rev limiter down the track and hurt something? Do you expect that to be warrantied too?


Phate,
Now thats a recommendation


So to summarize your recommendation:
- Switch from a LSx to a SBC
- Spend 35k with a shop that nobody that has posted has personal experience with...that you said that you never recommended...and now recommend?

Sounds good to me... :eyes:

Anyways, I think this is my last post on this topic. You and I bickering back and forth isn't going to help this guy find his motor. Just out of curiosity, when is your build going to be finished?

The ford guys run 449 cubers and dual 88's!

That's the old setup... try www.prolineraceengines.com for more info...

FWIW I would trust those guys to build a turbo motor. They built mine. Steve Petty and co. might happen to know something seeing as how they have the fastest outlaw 10.5W car out there... 6.6's and 220+ mph.

There's a tranny shop in Lauderdale called ATF, they have no less than 5 cars in their shop every week, old friggin junky looking Fox body Mustangs with big single turbos or sc'ers running 6's....big damn deal. Purpose built trailored drag cars are supposed to do that.


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Dude, you kill me. You have no idea how difficult it is to do that, and how much time, money, and effort is involved. There are only a handful of 6 second outlaw 10.5 cars out there.

Lynch went 6.66 with the 449 I thought, There's more then a handfull, hell there's 2 6sec 10.5 cars in Toronto alone!

Lynch went 6.66 with the 449 I thought, There's more then a handfull, hell there's 2 6sec 10.5 cars in Toronto alone!

Lynch had the 600+" BBF and twin GT55-91's... Fastest that I'd heard he'd gone was 6.8's at last year's Shakedown at E town with the 449.

The 6 second 10.5 cars that I've heard of are:

David Hance
Conrad Scarry
Dan Millen
Tim Lynch
Brad Brand
Billy Glidden
Steve Kirk

Of course, I'm biased towards the ford racers, but there is a chevy guy in there!

http://www.raceosca.com/racer_profiles/carinci.htm
http://www.raceosca.com/racer_profiles/grella.htm

Two more there!

SLED is gonna build me a 412, oh yes. I see it happening. lol.

Dude, you kill me. You have no idea how difficult it is to do that, and how much time, money, and effort is involved. There are only a handful of 6 second outlaw 10.5 cars out there.

A handful, you might want to order a re-count :eyes: Outlaw 10.5 or whatever, there's a shitload of cars in this country going 6's and 7's. It just takes cash to go that fast, THATS IT. Anyone with money can have someone build it.


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Lynch had the 600+" BBF and twin GT55-91's... Fastest that I'd heard he'd gone was 6.8's at last year's Shakedown at E town with the 449.

The 6 second 10.5 cars that I've heard of are:

David Hance
Conrad Scarry
Dan Millen
Tim Lynch
Brad Brand
Billy Glidden
Steve Kirk

Of course, I'm biased towards the ford racers, but there is a chevy guy in there!

Only one from your list is here:
http://www.outlawracing.com/CURRENTPOINTS/2006Outlaw105/tabid/76/Default.aspx

SLED is gonna build me a 412, oh yes. I see it happening. lol.

It'll be a beast. :drive:


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Nelson Racing engines does build LSX motors however they are somewhat late getting into the game but I have plenty of confidence that their motors can and will perform. If you have never heard of them you need to get out of your foxhole or something haha. However I have the same confidence in shops like W2W neither would be a bad choice. Don't start badmouthing NRE though they are a VERY well known shop. Anybody who builds motors that go out and compete and win Drag Week knows what they are doing.

Quicken....not sure who you are, but I don't believe I provided a quote to you. Perhaps it was someone else that worked here before me. Since we built an entire car for the price you mentioned above, I really doubt you have a quote in your hands for $120k for an engine and TT setup. If you do, please post it up.

I am not here to bash your choices. I am sure NRE does stellar work, and I am happy that you are happy with using them. W2W is more of an LSx based shop. It is primarily what we do. We have more experience with these engines than any other shop (exception may be Katech). Not saying our work can't be replicated by others, but we do have facts and accomplishments to back up what we say, not just the kind words of our supporters.

:cheers:

A handful, you might want to order a re-count :eyes: Outlaw 10.5 or whatever, there's a shitload of cars in this country going 6's and 7's. It just takes cash to go that fast, THATS IT. Anyone with money can have someone build it.


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I named 7... you have any more? Lynch and Brand have raced ORSCA before.... and it's not just money. Ask all of the people like Chip Havemann with megabuck rides that haven't broken into the 6's yet... it's a matter of chassis and motor tuning as well as driving. It's the whole package. These cars are not consistantly in the 6's, not by a wild stretch of the imagination. Then again, 3000+ pounds on skinny tires might not be the easiest thing to get down the track either.

Nelson Racing engines does build LSX motors however they are somewhat late getting into the game but I have plenty of confidence that their motors can and will perform. If you have never heard of them you need to get out of your foxhole or something haha. However I have the same confidence in shops like W2W neither would be a bad choice. Don't start badmouthing NRE though they are a VERY well known shop. Anybody who builds motors that go out and compete and win Drag Week knows what they are doing.

Thats the thing, most people are stuck in interent forums where all they know are the sponsors. Theirs so many shops out there that build top of the line engines and have MUCH more experience, like FTM for instance, Fast Time Motorworks who also builds LSx engines, turbo and sc'ed packages that will KILL anything the sponsors have at almost half the price. Half the price, thats right, I have a quote from them too. 1,000 HP pump gas BBC with a 6 psi small Procharger ($28,000) or an LSx engine with a single turbo making 1,200 HP for about the same price, also pump gas and a safe tune.

Thats another thing, all the sponsors and people here seem to be pushing the limits with pump gas at 600-800 hp and blowing up motors. NRE is running RICH tuned TT engines at 1,300 hp and FTM is way over 1,000 hp too. FTM builds LSx engines and is also going to be building Warhawk engines at great prices. Experience with what really works is the key.



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Quicken....not sure who you are, but I don't believe I provided a quote to you. Perhaps it was someone else that worked here before me. Since we built an entire car for the price you mentioned above, I really doubt you have a quote in your hands for $120k for an engine and TT setup. If you do, please post it up.

I am not here to bash your choices. I am sure NRE does stellar work, and I am happy that you are happy with using them. W2W is more of an LSx based shop. It is primarily what we do. We have more experience with these engines than any other shop (exception may be Katech). Not saying our work can't be replicated by others, but we do have facts and accomplishments to back up what we say, not just the kind words of our supporters.

:cheers:

No disrespect intended, you're certainly a top shop. Thats why I went to you for a quote. You and Katech, thats it. But sometimes pricing makes the whole thing a very bad deal. Just trying to get across that people can't keep from saying who the best shops in the world are because they have an engine from them and because they have the fastest this-or-that.

PM sent.
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http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598520

GMR Twin Turbo turn key package...cant beat that price...

Just trying to get across that people can't keep from saying who the best shops in the world are because they have an engine from them and because they have the fastest this-or-that.


LOL, unbelievable...I recommended W2W because I have personal experience with them. I went to them because they have consistenly built motors that have lasted pass after pass, at the 1000+ hp level, and they just happen to have the fastest LSx based 1/4 mile pass.

You keep bringing up shops that you haven't built a motor with and keep telling everyone how superior they are. I have asked 3 times whether you have had either a motor or setup built by them and there has never been an answer...WHY? Do you or do you not have any PERSONAL experience (ie. YOU SPENT MONEY HAVING A MOTOR/SETUP BUILT) with these shops? Where is your 1500hp street car? If it's so simple, what is the problem?

So, while you are trying to keep people from saying that one shop or another is the best, when they have the personal experience to back up a recommendation...You recommend places that you have never used for a build that cost tens of thousands of $$$, and you are recommending that the guy switch engine platforms.

It'll be a beast. :drive:


I agree! And tell all your friends!! ;)

Thanks for any and all your help with this, the final product we all believe came out to be a wonderful deal, and a great choice for the future of my build...
But now-vote in my poll on FI, since i have had all your help when i was choosing the otor setup..Im now paying for my FI kit... vote!
(I'm going to be so broke...Lol)

We have two boost motors built. They have the same components as the Twin Turbo C6 of ours that makes 998rwhp. It will have the Severe Duty Forgings Mahle -30cc boost pistons, ARP 2000 rod bolts on Scat H-beam rods, Eagle Cranks and ARP Main Studs. Let me know if your interested in this motor!!

Zach
if hes not i may be...can ya give me more info on this?? how much? cubes?just the short block right? thanx Zach.