Street Racing & Kill Stories - i wanna run a 3000GT

anyone know much about how 3000GTs perform? i've gotta 97 T/A with 3.73s. i've run a 14.4 @ 95.00 in the quarter, but my tires spun well into second gear (everytime). it's an auto. this particular 3K is a vr4 (not sure of the year) and i've heard those run high 13's. all this guys got is an intake. i've also heard that 3Ks are actually heavier than my car, but i don't know if it would make a significant difference. i'm gonna run 'em either way, but i just wanted to hear some predictions. thanks.

If you don't hook up he may very well take ya because he's not gonna spin, the beauty of AWD. Get yours out of the hole and I think you should take him if all he really has is an intake. 3kgt's are heavy, not sure how much heavier though. Line em up and let us know what happens.

About the same weight as your TA. Maybe a little more. If he has an intake he probably has a filter, exhaust, and the boost turned up. High 13s/low 14s were the stock times I remember. But AWD will murder you from a dig with elevated boost. Get some DRs and/or run him from a roll. He may not even have a clue how to launch or roll with a turbo.

Should be close.

he'll probably beat you, the early ones are 5 speeds though, the rest are 6s :)

Lightly modded I ran a Vr4 up to 160mph and he was about a half car length ahead of me.

Stock I ran 14.1 @ 97mph on a 2.1 60ft. When I ran him i had 2200 stall, built trans, 3:42s, cai and exhaust (no cat). Not sure if he was modded or not..but I thought they trapped a little over the 100mph mark.

anyone know much about how 3000GTs perform? i've gotta 97 T/A with 3.73s. i've run a 14.4 @ 95.00 in the quarter, but my tires spun well into second gear (everytime). it's an auto. this particular 3K is a vr4 (not sure of the year) and i've heard those run high 13's. all this guys got is an intake. i've also heard that 3Ks are actually heavier than my car, but i don't know if it would make a significant difference. i'm gonna run 'em either way, but i just wanted to hear some predictions. thanks.

I think you will lose. The 3000 will destroy you off the line.

A properly maintained VR4 will pull off around a 13.7 or so if it is launched and driven correctly. The average driver is more likely to pull a higher 13 or so..

They weigh about 38xx give or take a few.

Remember, most of these cars are aproachin 15 and 16 years old, and probably aren't in the best shaped. Turbos start to wear out around the 90k mark and will greatly reduce power.

But I would say right now your only hope would be that he is a bad driver, or his car is not healthy.

watch out for those cars one of my friends has a 93 stealth, runs low 11's yah its modded but not as much as you would think some of those things are freaks....

It really doesn't take much to put those in the 12's. The problem is that you can hardly tell a 12 second one from a completely stock one. One main ingredient for a lightly modded 12 second 3/S is the driver mod. Bad driver = bog off the line and 14 second timeslips. Good driver = 1.7 or possibly even better 60's on whatever road you race on and a 12 second car if the boost is turned up. Good luck with your race and let us know how it works out.

I used to own one, you will lose. Sorry, but if all you have are gears and he can drive a little bit, you will lose.

Yeah, I dont think you will win. Ive driven a couple and man those things are the heat from a dig.

3k can be quick and he may not be telling the whole story of whats under the hood! But it also depends on how good he can drive as well, but i guess you will find out soon enough. Good luck with the race though, hpefully you come out on top!

i raced a 97 3000gt once (dohc one with like 220 hp), heavy ass car and had 2 ppl in it. It was like racing a turtle. :devil: In yout case yea dont do from a dig

I raced a VR4 in my LS1 Formula from a 30mph roll up to 75mph and had 2 car lengths on him. My mods at the time were the same as in my signature minus the lid and I'm pretty sure his VR4 was stock (he also had a passenger and I didn't). I've raced LT1 Fbodys and Vettes when I was bone stock and have beaten them much more badly. I'm sorry to say it but I'm pretty sure you will lose to a VR4.

VR4's are some good machines. higher 13's expected. much easyer to roll race cus of the 4wd. my buddy only got a exhaust intake and higher boost and measured 296hp to the wheels wich is fairly good since the stock ones make about 240-250 to the wheels. the car if i remember corectly is 3830lbs so they weigh more

it all depends on the driver i feel thats of the 3000GT of course. My friend has a 99 VR-4 and that car can move. Of course he has like 4 G's underneath the hood and the car is consistently putting over 20 PSI at the wheels. His 3000GT is high 10's low 11's. Between the 2 cars stock for stock...the only difference and it is a major difference is the AWD, only on the sheer fact alone he won't spin when he hits it.

I use to race my co-workers 3K vr4 all the time. We'd race from dig and rolls. He would get me up to about 35 or so on the dig, then i'd pull about 3 cars on him. From a roll, i'd leave him every time. I just had my CAI and Flowmaster on at the time. He had intake and exhaust. This is with my 97 T/A LT1

I have a friend who has a 95 VR4. I would say it's fast, but in a different way. Isn't that always the case? You can drive an LSX around town at 1200 rpms cruising, but this car you have to keep higher. It's got solid torque, just like an LSX. Let's not forget that what we've got in an F-Body is basically a detuned Corvette motor and what a VR4 represents: the top-of-the-line Mitsu sports car that's a hot-rodded Stealth that at the time cost more than a Corvette. So we're basically comparing a Chevy sports car that's built for cheap against a super luxury car that's built for huge cost. The only issue with them is the weight. In a real race, say a road course, you'd eat him alive over distance. Get him up high in speed where you're in your powerband. If you can delete the advantage of his AWD you'll have him. BTW as an aside I had my friend put it in top gear and floor it on the highway from 50 to test his flexibility. It took about a minute to go from 50->70. Once you cut out his short gears (read torque multipliers) and AWD, there's not much left to fight you with and lots of weight to bog him down. You can take a C5 vette from 50->70 even in 6th with it's 0.50:1 ratio in about 20 seconds ~1 mph/sec.

if he's even got as little as a boost controller and basic tune done to that car he will eat you alive.

sorry to say but a VR4 wuld win hands down both a LS1 and a LT1 on a road course and probably also it wuld also win in shorter streetrace's and in wet conditions. on a roll id say it was a toss between a lt1 car and a vr4 though i wuld bet my money on the lt1.

anyone know much about how 3000GTs perform? i've gotta 97 T/A with 3.73s. i've run a 14.4 @ 95.00 in the quarter, but my tires spun well into second gear (everytime). it's an auto. this particular 3K is a vr4 (not sure of the year) and i've heard those run high 13's. all this guys got is an intake. i've also heard that 3Ks are actually heavier than my car, but i don't know if it would make a significant difference. i'm gonna run 'em either way, but i just wanted to hear some predictions. thanks.

i would say with your mods you could beat him. i beat a couple in my near stock lt1. they will out launch you, but you will pass them. just a matter of when. only thing im wondering is, why are your times so horrible? your mph is very weak. if that's all your car is capable of trap speed wise, your gonna lose. try figuring out what's wrong with your car, or else your at a really high altitude?

if he's even got as little as a boost controller and basic tune done to that car he will eat you alive.

This is so true but most people just won't believe it. They say they're too heavy to go fast and that their old stock (insert slow car of choice here) used to beat one all the time. Well, you might beat a worn out poorly driven one with a stock or nearly stock LT1 but not a fresh well driven one. A couple of years ago I bought a 93 Stealth TT with around 100K on the clock. It was well maintained and just had the top end of the motor rebuilt along with the 120K service. Having already owned a 92TT for a while, I had some experience drag racing it. I put on a 15 dollar boost controller and that's it as far as mods go and took it to the 1/8th mile track. 8.11 @ 85 MPH in the 1/8th. Yes, the weather was ideal. Yes, I can drive the car. Realize this though for those of you that say they're too heavy to run. I ran this with the car weight of just over 3800 pounds plus my heavy 380 pound ass driving. 4200 pounds and it ran that. Please realize that this is almost a second quicker and at significantly higher MPH than a stock or near stock LT1 car will run. I truly believe that those of your that are beating the crap out of a 3/S TT with a stock LT1 are running against a poorly maintaind and/or driven one. Just my opinion of course but I've got some experience with the 3/S platform to base my opinion on and not just what I've read or heard.

Back to the original poster. Like I mentioned earlier, good luck with your race but don't feel bad if you get murdered because that's certainly a possible outcome of your race. Not saying it's a guarantee you'll get killed because of too many possiblities but the 3000GT has a better than average chance of being much quicker and faster than you in a drag race. Let us know the results.

Werd^^ I used to own a 92 VR4 and it is retarded how ignorant people can be with these cars. Boost controller and driver mod and it is a pretty fast car. We are talking stock ls1 fast with $20 bucks in mods and it gets out of the hole better. They are also awesome on road courses, whoever the hell said they arent good road course cars has obviously never had any sort of experience with the 3/s platform.

Yeah, Again, My buddies car was FAST. He ended up putting new turbos and laid out 450ish to the wheels. Ive never felt a car pull like that off the line. Just go, no spin. It was a fun car to drive. !!

As is, run him from a roll around 30 mph or closer to your powerband for your gear. This will negate his AWD advantage over you on launch. Do this on the hottest day and time you can find. Meet up some place a mile or so from the starting area and entice him to punch it a few times on the way there. Despite having an intercooler this may help heat soak the turbo and cut some HP (long shot). The lower speed start will also mean that the weight of the two vehicles is playing a bigger role since he should weight a little more. Especially if you remove your rear seats, spare tire, jack etc.

As I see it this would give you the best scenario to win. Unless you install some N2O.

You win, great. Get some more mods and win easier next time. You lose, great. Get some more mods and win next time.

Just run him and have some fun, it's not life or death.

We beat a '96 Z28 w/320rwhp in our '95 Stealth TT (intake, boost controller, testpipe). The race was 30-90 and we had a good car and a half and pulling HARD when we stopped. Don't underestimate AWD from a roll.........

Melissa

We beat a '96 Z28 w/320rwhp in our '95 Stealth TT (intake, boost controller, testpipe). The race was 30-90 and we had a good car and a half and pulling HARD when we stopped. Don't underestimate AWD from a roll.........

Melissa

Opposite of underestimating. Just trying to minimize the AWD advantage over the RWD car by using the roll race.

I understand that, but everyone just says "race from a roll" when talking about the AWD 3/Ses, like it will mean an automatic win for the rwd car. I'm just saying AWD isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is from a roll.......

Melissa

Depends what year your racing, I know the earlier years were 13.8-14.0 cars at about 100 mph. The newer ones I've seen running 13.5's with nothing done to them at all. Even from a roll I still think a vr4 would take an LT1. I think the newer vr4's are more on the LS1's level than an LT1. I believe the vr4's are 320 hp, 305 tq flywheel.

Wow everyone talks about the old third gen camaros racing the fox body mustangs back in the early 90's, when there was this 3000gt vr4 and Stealth R/T's already running high 13's stock with 305 horsepower lol..

And just with a cheap ass boost controller they are easily 12's if u can drive at all...

Okay,
Melissa- I didn't mean an automatic win. I just meant there was less chance of the RWD blowing the start if rolling as opposed to a dig where the AWD will clearly have a huge advantage. This only helps make things more even for the disadvantaged 2 wheel power planter. Maybe some people do sound that way when talking about an AWD, but the statment is along the same lines as using your head lights at night. It makes sense. I certainly wouldn't think racing and AWD car in the rain would be very smart, so going from a roll on dry pavement gives one the greatest chance of beating the AWD with the information given.

Nice car.

kyle91z28
Same thing was said about the GNs in the early 90's, 4 years after they stopped production. No one talked as much about these vehicles (stealth/3000/300z/supra/svx) because they were higher priced, less modifiable (by early 90's standards and knowledge), and viewed primarily as cars for upper class punks wanting to show off by not getting a V8. Same comparisons were made with 60/70's muscle cars and the 86 up fuelie 5.0 and TPI motors. Once things caught on and prices fell with the used car market, they took off and have become nice vehicles to own from a performance standpoint.

I would love to get a last gen supra or a 300z.

only thing im wondering is, why are your times so horrible?

yeah, i've been analyzing my track data recently and i think i figured out the problem, or at least some factors (and to be honest i haven't been competitive with my racing for too long). the biggest thing is that i've been dropping my tire pressure too low. also, i think i could work on my staging technique. when i ran a 14.4 i was a touch over 1K when i launched. i was thinking maybe if i let the car idle and keep the pressure at a reasonable psi i will see a significant improvement. i'm going to the track on the 8th so i'll let you know what happens. thanks for all the help everyone! and i'm trying to get a race from him but he keeps giving me BS reasons why he can't do it yet, but i'm working on it.