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kingb
08-23-2006, 10:43 PM
i am going to start on my fathers 67 chevy II,, is that a common conversion for an ls motor...... thanks for the help,,,,,,

Novas Forever
08-24-2006, 12:22 PM
I wouldn't call it a common conversion but it has been done and by several folks here. My transplant recipient is a '62 with a TCI front clip. Seems that most I remember have used an aftermarket front clip. Since mine is a rust bucket total rebuild it is taking a while. In a nutshell this is what I have learned:
1. Use the engine and trans combo from the same car with all of the electronics.
2. Don't get rid of anything until you are done.
3. '99 up PCUs are the same and different than '97-'98 models
4. Don't think that motor mount adapters are going to lead to a carefree install
5. The uncut Nova trans tunnel won't accept a M6 or A4
6. The members here are invaluable for helping to solve problems
7. John at Spearco is a premium guy.

I can hardly wait to fire my car up, it will be unusual and fast but also reliable. Hang in there and good luck.

LSxChevelle
08-24-2006, 01:29 PM
What a great combo! Great style +light weight=lots of fun :drive:

Qwkss
08-27-2006, 12:15 PM
I wouldn't call it a common conversion but it has been done and by several folks here. My transplant recipient is a '62 with a TCI front clip. Seems that most I remember have used an aftermarket front clip. Since mine is a rust bucket total rebuild it is taking a while. In a nutshell this is what I have learned:
1. Use the engine and trans combo from the same car with all of the electronics.
2. Don't get rid of anything until you are done.
3. '99 up PCUs are the same and different than '97-'98 models
4. Don't think that motor mount adapters are going to lead to a carefree install
5. The uncut Nova trans tunnel won't accept a M6 or A4
6. The members here are invaluable for helping to solve problems
7. John at Spearco is a premium guy.

I can hardly wait to fire my car up, it will be unusual and fast but also reliable. Hang in there and good luck.

Do you have a website that is tracking your progress??

67pete
08-28-2006, 04:59 AM
Hardest thing so far is the exhaust manifold / header issue. Mine also involves an after market front subframe, stock front end may or may not be worse... Oil pan also needs to be checked for clearance, Heidts and F boody pan are OK. Passenger engine mount on Heidts had to be shortened ~3/4" for offset, trans tunnel enlarged and new opening for shifter, new driveshaft..nah piece of cake and lots of fun..anticipation is mounting now for me awaiting dryer weather to paint the car, garage built you know.

Novas Forever
08-29-2006, 09:48 AM
I should be tracking my project on a website but I am not. I am awful slow. I do want to help anyone else I can on a similar swap. I have been helped a lot right here but the Nova swap is unusual. I am always ready to answer any question. I agree that headers seem to be a big problem. My latest thought is modifying some Ford headers since they have the same port spacing. The rearend is about to go back under the car so I will go on to the next challenge. It is going to be a beauty when it is done.

ls1chevy2
08-29-2006, 04:31 PM
I'm doing a 66, I used the suspension off a C4 vette for the front, and a IRS DANA 44 for the rear.

I ran straight frame rails front to back.

pmcclelland99
09-01-2006, 02:49 AM
hey Novas forever, I am planning on doing the same thing to my 63, how nuch work did the tranny tunnel take to fit in the 4l60? I have a 350/350 combo sitting in my TCI right now. I also got the rear subframe, so i have the adjustable tranny crossmember. I have tried asking around on the stevesnovasite.com website, but they told me to ask around here. What other types of troubles did you have putting it in?

Novas Forever
09-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Hey pmcclelland99
Well you know how snug everything fits in the little cars then. Your T350 has enough room but the 4L60 is much bigger. I bought an LS1/T56 combo but could not bring myself to cut the tunnel up to get the 6 speed in. I would say that as soon as the tunnel narrows after the bell housing area the cutting would have to begin. I had to use a scattershield to get my set-up to work so I know there is room in that area. You would end up having to enlarge the area pretty far back since the 4L60 is fairly long. The LS1 is setting in the car now and it went in easily. The F-body oil pan fits fine. I used adapter plates for the motor mounts which required a small amount of work on the actual mounts but not bad. The alternator has room in the stock location as does the power steering pump. There is no clearance for the A/C compressor. My major challenge now is exhaust. I have not found any off-the-shelf headers that will fit and I don't think there are any. The stock manifolds will not clear.

Kind of wish I had the rear subframe like you do. When I had the body work done they welded in subframe connectors and floor supports so i didn't want to have to mess with taking that out, but maybe should have! If I forgot anything just let me know.

BBPanel
09-03-2006, 12:53 PM
...There is no clearance for the A/C compressor. My major challenge now is exhaust. I have not found any off-the-shelf headers that will fit and I don't think there are any. The stock manifolds will not clear.

I have never worked on a 63 but my 66 will accept the A/C with stock frontend:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0913.jpg

Also, I bought a set of Vette exhaust manifolds and although I can't get them on with the engine in the car (a head bolt hits) I may be able to get them to fit if they are mounted on the engine before it is installed. I have not determined if the steering box will clear yet. Now, having said all of that I may still clip the frontend to gain clearance but I think these issues can be overcome with a stock frontend - time will tell.

350SS
09-03-2006, 04:46 PM
BBPanel, any pics of the side clearance or other pics of the engine bay? I'm interested in this swap for my 65, so any pics are appreciated :)

Lane
09-03-2006, 06:23 PM
The new GTO oil pan will work with the stock suspension. I've done this conversion for a customer - and have a jig for headers, with the stock suspension. It's a very tight fit...

If you're using an aftermarket front end - it's a simple bolt in, wire in conversion. The stock front end though - poses some challenges.

I recently bought a '62 wagon that I'm working on at the moment, and hopefully will have the front end(Smith Racecraft) and motor in and running by Hot Rod's drag week next year! :)

gEtyOPaPiOn
09-03-2006, 06:35 PM
do you have pictures of the car (LANE) i want to use to the stock subframe and i do have a gto engine that i would like to use is an ls2 with a six speed
we was planning on building some headers too

Lane
09-03-2006, 09:02 PM
do you have pictures of the car (LANE) i want to use to the stock subframe and i do have a gto engine that i would like to use is an ls2 with a six speed
we was planning on building some headers too

Here's some as the car was going together. Sorry if they're a little dark. And yes - the pan has been chrome plated. The customer liked chrome! ;)

The headers came out real nice, and I've built a couple more pairs since then.

gEtyOPaPiOn
09-03-2006, 09:06 PM
thats what i was looking for just to get a visual ...do you mind showing the driver side headers ? and what motor mounts did you use ? are the headers for sale ? hehe ? long tubes ?

Lane
09-03-2006, 09:19 PM
thats what i was looking for just to get a visual ...do you mind showing the driver side headers ? and what motor mounts did you use ? are the headers for sale ? hehe ? long tubes ?

The fourth pic is the drivers side. The mounts were S&P pieces. The steering linkage is pretty close and does touch when you lock the steering wheel to one side - or maybe both, can't remember. It doesn't hit bad enough the hurt anything though. Didn't even scratch the chrome on the pan.

I could do some headers, but with you being so far away - I wouldn't be comfortable selling you something that you may have to 'adjust' some, or a lot... I'll dig up my jigs and think about that some more though. LT's I don't think are possible. The collectors in the pics are 2.5" and they barely fit in between the tranny and front braces. The car did have a 4L60E in it though. M6 may give some more room.

BBPanel
09-03-2006, 10:55 PM
BBPanel, any pics of the side clearance or other pics of the engine bay? I'm interested in this swap for my 65, so any pics are appreciated

I don't have a lot of pics at this time but here are a couple - not a lot of detail to be seen. The car is all packed away at the moment or I would take some more pics. I also have a GTO oil pan and my steering linkage hits it but I have not determined how much so yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0911.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0841.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0842.jpg

I'll check and see if I have any better pics in another location.

gEtyOPaPiOn
09-03-2006, 11:58 PM
great pictures guys .....my friend will be happy to see this pictures lol

BBPanel
09-04-2006, 02:04 AM
Found a couple more:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0914.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_0844.jpg

350SS
09-04-2006, 01:45 PM
I can't see how headers/manifolds will fit w/ the stock front clip, but I know pictures are hard to judge depth on. If you get a set of manifolds/headers to fit please, let us know. I'm just amazed the stock ac compressor fits, that's great :judge:

BBPanel
09-04-2006, 03:00 PM
I went out an uncovered the Nova and took a couple more pics so you can see the side clearance - like I said I don't know how the manifold will fit with the steering box. But if I fab up a rack it won't matter - and that will also cure the interfrence of the stock steering linkage on the GTO pan as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_2003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_2002.jpg

Lane
09-04-2006, 08:29 PM
The headers I've made are VERY close, but do fit. 1 3/4" primaries to 2.5" collectors. 3" collectors would not work. I didn't even attempt LT's...

Forget stock manifolds and other aftermarket headers. Not even close.

I think S&W makes headers for stock front ends, but I've never seen them installed.

350SS
09-04-2006, 09:11 PM
Wow, great pics, really show the amount of clearance. Thanks for taking the time to do that, I'm sure it will help out alot of people. :chug:

gEtyOPaPiOn
09-05-2006, 08:01 AM
it sure is helping me lol
great motivation
now lets get to work!!

nova65ss
09-05-2006, 08:33 AM
[QUOTE=BBPanel]I went out an uncovered the Nova and took a couple more pics so you can see the side clearance - like I said I don't know how the manifold will fit with the steering box. But if I fab up a rack it won't matter - and that will also cure the interfrence of the stock steering linkage on the GTO pan as well.


If you are looking here is a link to a chevette R&P conversion on an early nova.

http://community.webshots.com/album/280387281WjLPhW


Jimmy

Novas Forever
09-05-2006, 01:15 PM
Wow the engine looks good in the stock bay. The AC compressor fits really nice. There is not a ton more room one way or the other. I am going to study the headers some more and compare them to my bay with a TCI clip. I have to think about the clutch linkage and steering shaft. Very nice work.

BBPanel
09-05-2006, 09:05 PM
[QUOTE=BBPanel]
If you are looking here is a link to a chevette R&P conversion on an early nova. http://community.webshots.com/album/280387281WjLPhW
Jimmy

Thanks Jimmy - I've been following that thread on Steve's Nova Site (http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/index.php?).

Joe Nova
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Build those Chevy II's guys! We need more of them on the roads!

ls1chevy2
09-20-2006, 01:12 PM
All I can say, I would look for a new front suspension, the stock front suspension gets a little squirly over 100mph.

BLWN1
11-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Looking to buy a car to add in the fun soon.....

Novas Forever
11-20-2006, 03:40 PM
I scrapped better cars that the one I am building but I look at it as saving one from rusting into nothing. If I only woulda known I would have saved a lot more of the parts I tossed away like the '62 Convertible.

Qwkss
12-21-2006, 01:28 PM
Any updates??

Novas Forever
12-21-2006, 03:36 PM
I haven't got a lot done. Narrowed 8.5 10 bolt posi is in. Rear windows and guts are in. Front windows almost ready. Most weatherstripping installed. Sent some of my aluminum trim and grill to a guy in Michigan that was supposed to strip and polish it but he destroyed my good grill and took my money :bang: I will do it myself next time. Headers or wheels/tires are probably next. I have along way to go!!!!

Qwkss
12-21-2006, 03:38 PM
Do you have any pictures of the progress?

Novas Forever
12-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Not many but I will commit to taking some and trying to post them.

93Polo
12-21-2006, 07:04 PM
I can't see how headers/manifolds will fit w/ the stock front clip, but I know pictures are hard to judge depth on. If you get a set of manifolds/headers to fit please, let us know. I'm just amazed the stock ac compressor fits, that's great :judge:
The AC clearing is amazing. This maybe the easiest LSx muscle car swap yet.

I wander if some early Mustang 302 or 351 headers could be modified to fit. The port spacing on the LSx and 302/351W is close.

BBPanel
12-21-2006, 08:36 PM
Any updates??Sorry, still trying to finish out my shop interior before starting on projects.

novadude
12-22-2006, 08:31 AM
Tell me more about the oil pan. What was required to make it clear the steering linkage?

I have a '65 and I plan to keep my original clip and steering box.

Qwkss
12-22-2006, 10:44 AM
Who has the TCI front end? Does the AC fit?
Im building the Wifes 67 Wagon and she wants AC. :)

Novas Forever
12-22-2006, 11:23 AM
I am using a TCI front clip. The alternator will fit in the stock low mounting but the AC compressor definitely will not. It needs to have a lot more room, it hits the cradle. I am going to do Classic Air and probably a Sanden compressor but they do not have mounts for it. I have seen poeple here using the old R4 GM compressor and it looks OK but I replaced a bunch of those because they were so weak! Not sure but not paying thousands to S&P for thier Sanden mounts, may make my own.

Qwkss
12-22-2006, 01:23 PM
Well let me know how your brackets turn out and Ill possibly order a set from ya :cheers:
Thanks for the info and help.

Novas Forever
12-22-2006, 02:50 PM
As soon as I can get off my butt and do something ti figure it out I will share, that is what this site is all about. :)

98Camarod
12-22-2006, 03:02 PM
I'm trying to get my dad to throw a ls1 in a 66 or 67 Chevy II. He has to get one first, hes looking at a couple on ebay because there are not any around here. Anyone know of any for sale in decent shape? He had a 67 Chevy II and had to sell it because of me about 12 years ago (hard times). Sorry about hijackin here, but i did see a 67 Chevy II build up with an ls1 conversion. Just put 67 ls1 Nova in a google or yahoo search and its on the first page. Good luck and hopefully I will be asking everyone some questions to help my dads project out!

Ox65
12-25-2006, 05:42 PM
Steve's is a good one. Some cars for sale on there.

www.Stevesnovasite.com

Qwkss
12-31-2006, 04:15 PM
I went out an uncovered the Nova and took a couple more pics so you can see the side clearance - like I said I don't know how the manifold will fit with the steering box. But if I fab up a rack it won't matter - and that will also cure the interfrence of the stock steering linkage on the GTO pan as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/BBPanel/66Nova/100_2002.jpg

BB,
THANKS for the pictures. Are you running coil-overs or AIR ride on the front?
Also, have you looked at Flaming rivers front steer set up?

HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone :chug:

BBPanel
01-02-2007, 09:45 PM
BB,
THANKS for the pictures. Are you running coil-overs or AIR ride on the front?
Also, have you looked at Flaming rivers front steer set up?
Sorry, just saw this. I'm running coilovers on front. If I can get exhaust manifolds somehow to fit the stock front sheetmetal I'd like to keep the stock front clip and go with the lower a-arm conversion - that would also allow me to keep the coilovers I have. I know some doubt they will fit but I just have a feeling that I can get the Vette exhaust manifolds in there if they are on the engine before stabbing it in place. I'm going to give it a shot as soon as I can.

Its been a year since I've worked on my Nova (moved and had to build a new shop and still finishing off the interior) so its been that long since I've done any serious looking at the steering - not sure I've looked at the Flaming River rack but I will. Thanks. -Bob

BBPanel
01-02-2007, 09:51 PM
Tell me more about the oil pan. What was required to make it clear the steering linkage?I have a '65 and I plan to keep my original clip and steering box.
Are you asking me or Lane? Lane's steering cleared - mine does not - not sure why - there must be some minor diff in the way we placed the mounts.

Qwkss
01-03-2007, 03:09 PM
Sorry, just saw this. I'm running coilovers on front. If I can get exhaust manifolds somehow to fit the stock front sheetmetal I'd like to keep the stock front clip and go with the lower a-arm conversion - that would also allow me to keep the coilovers I have. I know some doubt they will fit but I just have a feeling that I can get the Vette exhaust manifolds in there if they are on the engine before stabbing it in place. I'm going to give it a shot as soon as I can.


Did you make the upper coil over brackets? Are you running an AT or 6spd?

BBPanel
01-03-2007, 06:51 PM
Did you make the upper coil over brackets? Are you running an AT or 6spd?
I bought the coilover kit from a member on Steve's Nova Site that decided to clip his Nova. I don't recall who makes the kit but it probably wouldn't be difficult to find out - I intend on running a 5/6-sp but right now there is a gutted out Powerglide in there just to support the engine.

edit: Here is the conversion kit on RacingJunk - their website is apparently under construction. Conversion kit by AutoFab Race Cars (http://racingjunk.com/post/770843/1962-67-Front-Nova-Coil-Over-Conversion-Kit.html)

Qwkss
01-03-2007, 11:12 PM
Thanks again for the link!

Ok more questions....sorry if Im being a PITA.

The AC, how are you going to run the lines?
Do you think the "Bills II" conversion would fit with the LS1 pan you are running?
I plan on running the CPP upper and lower A arm kit and hopefully be able to get the Bills II conversion on there.
Did you happen to see how far back the shifter will be with the 6spd?
Do you have anymore pictures of your project?

Thanks again for your responses and help.
Craig

BBPanel
01-04-2007, 08:59 PM
see comments in italics
The AC, how are you going to run the lines?
I haven't even thought that far ahead - if I have to I'll have fittings made to accomadate the tight space. But right now there is no indication that will be necessary

Do you think the "Bills II" conversion would fit with the LS1 pan you are running?
I currently have a GTO front sump pan on the the engine - if I recall correctly, "Bill's II" is a rear steer? If so, I don't think it will work - the front edge of the sump is within ~1/2" to 1/4" of the front crossmember. I also have an LS1 rear sump pan but I think the GTO pan will probably work out better for me.

I plan on running the CPP upper and lower A arm kit and hopefully be able to get the Bills II conversion on there.
I would like to use this conversion also but I have not looked into it closely enough to see if a front steer rack will work with it.

Did you happen to see how far back the shifter will be with the 6spd?
Uhh, no manual in there yet - a gutted out Powerglide just to hold the engine up - if you go to Classic Chevy 5-speed site (5-speed install (http://www.classicchevy5speed.com/62_74_chevyII_Nova_transmission_install_notes.htm) ) there is a discussion regarding tunnel mods.

Do you have anymore pictures of your project?
No, nothing that is relevant at this time.

mullenh
01-06-2007, 05:53 PM
getting the motor in is the easy part. then there is all of the metric to sae convertions like the power steering, i had a new hose made with each fitting. then you have to go to the junkyard for a drive shaft and have it cut down, then the electric fuel pump, all of the wiring.......... damn im glad im done

Novas Forever
01-06-2007, 07:43 PM
The shifter for the 6 speed will be back a ways. The tunnel would have to be enlarged a lot too.

mullenh
01-07-2007, 11:53 AM
enlarging the tunnel is an easy part of the job, cut it away from the firewall and then along the floor to the back of the front seat. you are going to need about an inch on both sides. one of the guys at the shop just cut mine off and made a new one but that is not necessary.

Qwkss
01-13-2007, 11:22 PM
Well I found my LS1 combo today. 2000 w/18000 miles, AT, and computer. :chug:

Now I need to finish my garage so I can start on the 67 Wagon :drive:

gordz32
03-23-2007, 08:23 PM
How do you guys think the factory manifolds will fit if you flip them 180 for a turbo application. Thats what I'm thinking of doing. I got a 66 about a month ago and I love it, but the 307/Powerslide!! is def. gonna get old in my book! Any of you guys have a set of manifolds you could mock up in the car flipped to see how they fit for me. I think I'll move the battery to the trunk and put the turbo over there. All this in the stock clip. At leat untill I have space to build my own clip. Just need dimensions and input from others for now. Any info would be greatly appreciated especially with flipped manifold fitment issues.

HuggyBear67
01-04-2008, 02:03 PM
Any updates to this thread??

What are those using original from subframes doing about exhaust?

babydeuce
01-05-2008, 02:24 AM
I just finished the driver side long tubes for my stock clip car, they are a real PITA. The passenger side only has 2" of clearance, so that will be more of a challenge. I plan on notching the shock tower. I have a stock steering box with CPP upper and lower arms if it makes any difference to anyone. I did move my engine 1" forward to help with some clearance issues in the trans tunnel and at the firewall.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557624863pacNjI
Jack

OneQuickCoupe
01-05-2008, 08:33 AM
I just finished the driver side long tubes for my stock clip car, they are a real PITA. The passenger side only has 2" of clearance, so that will be more of a challenge. I plan on notching the shock tower. I have a stock steering box with CPP upper and lower arms if it makes any difference to anyone. I did move my engine 1" forward to help with some clearance issues in the trans tunnel and at the firewall.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/557624863pacNjI
Jack

Looks like it's coming out nice. You are right, things are really tight. Did you use some kind of header kit? How easy is it to remove the headers. It looks like you built them in place. Must be the only way to do it.

It looks like you are using a full sized vacuum booster and it fits. I am planning to run a tall valve cover that may not fit with that size booster.

Nice job.:D

D.J.

babydeuce
01-05-2008, 12:27 PM
Looks like it's coming out nice. You are right, things are really tight. Did you use some kind of header kit? How easy is it to remove the headers. It looks like you built them in place. Must be the only way to do it.

It looks like you are using a full sized vacuum booster and it fits. I am planning to run a tall valve cover that may not fit with that size booster.

Nice job.:D

D.J.

Yes, I had to build the header in the car, and I dont know for sure if they will come out without pulling the engine. I bought a weld it yourself header kit from Speedway Motors, and a box of misc bends. Sadly, due to all the angles, I have exhausted my supply for the other side and will have to buy more.

Yes, I run the factory 9" booster and it is very close to the stock valve covers. I dont think you could get away with tall covers and a factory booster.

Jack

nova65ss
01-05-2008, 11:14 PM
That's pretty cool Jack looks like you've been pretty busy. What accessories setup is that you have? Looks alot like the F body I don't have the upper drivers side pulley though. What is it from? Thanks,

Jimmy

babydeuce
01-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Jimmy,

I have indeed been busy, but only as much as my limited funds will allow!

It is an F-body setup. I was not real happy about trying to run alt only, and not having the belt cover alot of area on the crank pulley.. Make sense? So I basically fabbed up an idler pulley out of an old tensioner that I had in the garage. This way I know the belt will not be slipping on the crank pulley when I get on it.

Jack

lowdeuce
01-06-2008, 12:56 AM
How was you steering clearance with the GTO oil pan with the standard engine adapter plates? Do you have more room with the linkage with the engine moved forward an inch? I am trying to keep my tranny (350 turbo) in the stock location so I dont have to mess with my drive shaft again. I am doing a 6.0 swap in my 66 with the stock front end. For exhaust I am going to use my fenderwell headers by cutting off the flange and a small section of the primarys and fabbing my a new LS flange to the headers. Just an idea on the exhaust, but it should work out well.

Jared

babydeuce
01-06-2008, 02:35 AM
I have more that enough room, even with the engine moved 1" forward. I have some pics on my photobucket, link should be on page 3.

Jack

OneQuickCoupe
01-06-2008, 04:36 AM
Yes, I had to build the header in the car, and I dont know for sure if they will come out without pulling the engine. I bought a weld it yourself header kit from Speedway Motors, and a box of misc bends. Sadly, due to all the angles, I have exhausted my supply for the other side and will have to buy more.

Yes, I run the factory 9" booster and it is very close to the stock valve covers. I dont think you could get away with tall covers and a factory booster.

Jack

Jack, thanks for the reply. I'm going to relocate the coil packs or use an Abear cover setup that have the coils enclosed into the top of the cover. Katech makes a nice cover setup with the coil relocation bracket. Both are extremely pricey however. I may have to use a C5 Corvette style master cylinder/booster setup for this build. I will need to take some measurments from my C5 to see if it will work.

The headers for these cars are a real hard nut to crack short of making them yourself like you are. Right now I am looking into using a set of LS-7 stock manifolds for this build. The only issue with them is the exhaust pipe hookup. Those stock manifolds have a huge opening where the exhaust pipe hooks up. I think you would need to use the stock exhaust/cat pipe that hooks to it.

D.J.

babydeuce
01-06-2008, 11:26 AM
I would love to run the Abear covers, but like you said they are very pricey! You are better off getting rid of the factory style booster, it is large, and not very efficient. Have you thought about a GM Hydroboost unit? It will take some work, but a friend of mine just made the conversion on his clipped car, and it stops the car so fast it gives you whiplash!

As far as exhaust, I feel your pain on that huge collector, I was looking at CTS V manifolds, but was perplexed about that collector and fitting it.

Jack

OneQuickCoupe
01-07-2008, 06:36 AM
The thought of someone throwing a set of those LS-7 factory manifolds into the trash just kills me. There has to be alot of those things collecting dust in someones garage. I would like to test fit that manifold setup along with the factory collectors to see if everything clears. Other than that it looks like I could do what you did and fab up a set myself.

I will look into the Hydroboost as it may be an option as well.

D.J.

Dyno paul
01-07-2008, 12:40 PM
I am at the point of wiring and fuel pump on mine . Stock front clip , Trailblazer SS 4L70E AWD converted back to 2WD . I used a GTO oil pan, Intake TBW throttle body, I made my own 1/2" thick aluminum plates for the mounts, before drilling the holes to the block I moved the engine about 3/8 inch forward so that the Compressor would clear the right mount tower. and the dipstick(trans) which used to wedge behind the head on my 400sbc could clear. Called a lot of places for headers last year,then seen the GTO at the Woodward cruise at the GM Performance display . I called Stainless Works who made there headers and he said he would custom make a set for mine. I am from WIndsor ON.which is a border city with Detroit MI . I trailered my car to Cleveland OH ,200 Miles. and left it with them. they slotted the front mounts 1/4 " to move the engine closer to centre. They made me a beautiful set of 1 5/8 long tube with X pipe and complete stainless exhaust. everything is mandrel bent , and he gave me a copy of each header pipe as it is recorded in the computer.I just recieve my GM racing harness , computer (E67) throttle pedal, fuse box etc. and am working on the transmission harness.

So-GT0071
01-07-2008, 01:27 PM
My dad is swapping an LT1 into his 66 Nova. I just thought I'd post a pic to show you what he is doing for exhaust. I realise the exhaust port spacing on the head is different between lsx and traditional SBC style. Just thought this might help show where he routed the headers. Although they have been a real pain because they are fender exit.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/carpathiandoomcows/LS1S-GTpics001.jpg

lowdeuce
01-07-2008, 03:08 PM
That is exactly how I am going to run my headers on my chevy II with the stock front clip.

OneQuickCoupe
01-07-2008, 04:17 PM
That is exactly how I am going to run my headers on my chevy II with the stock front clip.

I have a set of those fender well headers out in my garage that I'm not using. They are Hooker's and look to be 1 3/4". They came with my car.

So I think what you are saying is you are going to cut off the flange/pipes and adapt the fender well to the LS-X head. Correct.

D.J.

OneQuickCoupe
01-07-2008, 04:21 PM
My dad is swapping an LT1 into his 66 Nova. I just thought I'd post a pic to show you what he is doing for exhaust. I realise the exhaust port spacing on the head is different between lsx and traditional SBC style. Just thought this might help show where he routed the headers. Although they have been a real pain because they are fender exit.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/carpathiandoomcows/LS1S-GTpics001.jpg

Thanks for posting that picture. It will help with my build. Is you Dad going to fab up his own fender wells? I'm using a Chassis Works fender well and fender/hood hinge mount.

D.J.

OneQuickCoupe
01-07-2008, 04:29 PM
I am at the point of wiring and fuel pump on mine . Stock front clip , Trailblazer SS 4L70E AWD converted back to 2WD . I used a GTO oil pan, Intake TBW throttle body, I made my own 1/2" thick aluminum plates for the mounts, before drilling the holes to the block I moved the engine about 3/8 inch forward so that the Compressor would clear the right mount tower. and the dipstick(trans) which used to wedge behind the head on my 400sbc could clear. Called a lot of places for headers last year,then seen the GTO at the Woodward cruise at the GM Performance display . I called Stainless Works who made there headers and he said he would custom make a set for mine. I am from WIndsor ON.which is a border city with Detroit MI . I trailered my car to Cleveland OH ,200 Miles. and left it with them. they slotted the front mounts 1/4 " to move the engine closer to centre. They made me a beautiful set of 1 5/8 long tube with X pipe and complete stainless exhaust. everything is mandrel bent , and he gave me a copy of each header pipe as it is recorded in the computer.I just recieve my GM racing harness , computer (E67) throttle pedal, fuse box etc. and am working on the transmission harness.

Sounds like your getting alot done on your build. Is that the new harness that GM is coming out with? If it is what did it come with?

I wonder if Stainless works could use your bend schedule to make a set of 1 7/8 for my car. I have a ton of room on each side for headers.

D.J.

lowdeuce
01-07-2008, 05:22 PM
I have a set of those fender well headers out in my garage that I'm not using. They are Hooker's and look to be 1 3/4". They came with my car.

So I think what you are saying is you are going to cut off the flange/pipes and adapt the fender well to the LS-X head. Correct.

D.J.

Yep that is exactly what I am going to do.

Jared

Dyno paul
01-08-2008, 09:37 AM
Yes this is the new GM Racing setup I have been waiting for a few months. It comes with a programed E67engine control module and throttle by wire gas pedal, LS7 MAF ,Complete engine harness with about three feet of extra wire so the fuse box or ECM can be located basiclly anywhere around the engine or in the dash, Two GM off road O2 sensors, and a nice (Astro Van, I think ) style fuel relay centre , with four relays and various fuses and room for more.Also a bulkhead connector with power wires for trans Module Etc. A small check engine light in the box as well as a wire to ground your own check engine light in the vehicle .I just finshed separating the TCM and Transmission harness form my Original harness so I can use it with this combo. I bought a Trailblazer SS (new) fuel pump on Ebay , so That job will be next.

OneQuickCoupe
01-08-2008, 09:58 AM
Is it programed for a stock cammed LS-7 engine?
It sounds like that PCM package has everything to get someone started in the right direction.

D.J.

Unstang
01-08-2008, 10:23 AM
Check out this thread... http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811339
I also have some videos of various Chevy II swaps on my youtube account. I think you can search under my user name (Unstang).

OneQuickCoupe
01-08-2008, 05:56 PM
Is it programed for a stock cammed LS-7 engine?
It sounds like that PCM package has everything to get someone started in the right direction.

D.J.

TTT
Does anyone know if this computer/harness programmed for a stock LS-7?

D.J.

Dyno paul
01-08-2008, 07:58 PM
When I went to order the Harness ECM package they said I had a choise of three part # one for LS2 one for LS7 and I think the last was LS3 (forgot) i ordered the one for LS2 . It came with a LS7 Mass air flow sensor and an Aluminum adapter to weld to Aluminum Cold Air intake pipe. With instructions for length position etc. How and where to mount the pedal . very straight forward.The only thing not with it is the Transmission harness,I checked tonight and the Fuse box relay centre is the same as my buddy,s 1998 Astro Van. Check GM Performance parts .com Sema ,whats new and you can see a picture.

So-GT0071
01-14-2008, 01:14 PM
Thanks for posting that picture. It will help with my build. Is you Dad going to fab up his own fender wells? I'm using a Chassis Works fender well and fender/hood hinge mount.

D.J.

Umm, whatever company he got his front clip from also sent him inner fenders. He just cut them out for the headers to fit through and he's having them powder coated I believe.

OneQuickCoupe
01-14-2008, 06:11 PM
Alot of these front end clips have various "options" to include headers that will fix, fender wells, hood hinge/front fender mount, etc. By fabbing them up I mean to say cut to fit those headers. You just don't see those headers everyday. I have a set myself.

D.J.

bad94sup
05-07-2009, 12:52 PM
Any new info here? I'm looking to pick up a Checkered racing setup for my 67 shortly. Going the LSX route, but undecided on trans choice. Any new feedback/help would be great. :)

LQ9CHEVELLE
05-10-2009, 06:34 PM
Im about to start on a 63 nova with a 5.3 turbo, front mounted. Plan on running the stock subframe, only aftermarket lower arms. Will take pics as we progress with the progress. anyone done a front mounted turbo with a stock subframe? Share!

lowdeuce
05-11-2009, 07:33 AM
Here is my work in progress:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/lowdeuce/DSC01747.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/lowdeuce/DSC01746.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/lowdeuce/DSC01742.jpg

LQ9CHEVELLE
05-12-2009, 11:10 PM
Looks good! Going carburated blow thru turbo with that?

lowdeuce
05-13-2009, 03:52 PM
Was going to, put I changed my mind and am going injected instead.

Jared

LQ9CHEVELLE
05-14-2009, 08:01 PM
would flipped camaro, C6, or truck manifolds have worked in place of the headers? We were going to try using manifolds, flipped upside down and facing forwards

AMS69
10-30-2010, 02:30 PM
so basically to install a lsx in a 63 will not be bad with swap mounts and running a th350 correct? just the headers will be a issue with the stock steering box in place. i plan on going carb set up also,no a/c or p/s. just a alternator. i am a little confused on what i will need to do for a oil pan using the stock front clip and steering though??

wtf.suv
10-30-2010, 08:08 PM
so basically to install a lsx in a 63 will not be bad with swap mounts and running a th350 correct? just the headers will be a issue with the stock steering box in place. i plan on going carb set up also,no a/c or p/s. just a alternator. i am a little confused on what i will need to do for a oil pan using the stock front clip and steering though??

gto oil pan clears with stock front end and steering

Nova 404
10-30-2010, 08:25 PM
For stock steering linkage the GTO pan is the way to go.No production headers currently available for LSx stock steering but BRP is supposed to be workiong on a set.Engine position will be critical for any manufactures header to fit.If you are considering upgrading to Rack and Pinion steering (power or manual) Churchboys Racing makes a real nice set of 1 3/4 stainless headers that come with the engine mount adapter plates.Then you can use an F body pan.TH350 will work if you use a flywheel spacer as I recall.Transmission crossmember may require modification.I to am looking to do a carb'd 6.0 in my 67 when funds allow.


http://www.churchboysracing.com/category/ls-exhaust/